Super Capacitor 'Battery' Bank Construction Video
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- During this construction video I'll show you how to make a SuperCapacitor bank. These SuperCap's by Maxwell can output some impressive current!
Wiring diagram & schematic: drive.google.com/file/d/1n8Jr...
Parts used:
6x Maxwell Boostcap, 2600F, 2.5v, Model: BCAP0010
500mm of 2gauge insulated copper wire (Red & Black)
4x 2gauge copper lugs
12x 16mm long, M8 bolts & washers
2x 22mm long, 3/4" bolts (to fit zinc battery terminals)
5x M4 x 8mm long, capscrews
1 set of Zinc battery posts (eBay link:goo.gl/d6Pn1d)
12v battery voltmeter (eBay link: goo.gl/S4pPHh)
1x 12mm mini monetary switch (eBay link: goo.gl/z5F8nu)
1x 6 channel 2.5volt balance board (eBay link:goo.gl/KGue5y)
6x mini heatsinks (eBay link:goo.gl/O1upeL)
4x M3 x 12mm long brass standoffs (eBay link:goo.gl/MjB7om)
4x M3 x 6mm long screws
4x M3 nuts
Acrylic box 3D part files: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2256047
Information provided in this video is for educational purposes only.
If you attempt to recreate/replicate anything you’ve seen in this Or any other video, you’re doing so at your own risk.
- SCHEMATIX - - Jak na to + styl
I think you did a wonderful job. Not just the build but also your presentation and description so well detailed throughout the video. Thank you Im a fan
Yeaaaahh... I absolutely love your videos, you managed to pack so much information and kept very interesting all the way during the whole video!!
Great work... SUBSCRIBED and I'm watching you're older videos now =]
Nice build I have been wanting to make one myself.
Bonjour .... j'ai réellement ADORE cette vidéo très pédagogique ...Merci beaucoup ...
very captivating thanks
Great video ty
Thanks for your time doing this video!!! Fantastic!!!
After a few months if you could tell us the performance status.
Thank you very much!!!
Rafael
Friggin awesome!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Thanks. Joe
This would be an awesome power source for my spot welder
Great video!...Btw, I had no idea soldering irons came in that size. I found this quite funny for some reason : )
Thanks! Glad you got a laugh as a bonus! ;)
@Gene: giant soldering iron is @~6:10
Dan Nichols did he say 100 watts ??
I have a weller brand soldering gun that goes to 250 watts I use it to solder 10-4 gauge copper works really well the tip turns bright orange when it's fully heated up
@@mrmeiii , yes, he did, but I suspect it's the difference between a soldering GUN and a soldering IRON. Your 250 watt GUN undoubtedly works, but as you can verify, the tip is relatively small in comparison with the IRON he used. The IRON has so much more thermal mass that the heat is sort of 'stored' in that mass & replenished from the (smaller) 100 watt heating element within it, and thus works to solder big wires which tend to absorb the heat & can tend to draw the applied heat away as they're soldered. Your 250 watt gun has to run 'more' (eats more current) to provide the same transfer of heat to the wires you're soldering, I'm guessing. Does that make sense? (Of course, the iron has to be heated for some length of time to get up to a usable heat, whereas you can turn your gun on & off as you need to use it.)
great build and love that you split the video for testing it. glad to see you back with some content..lol.. BTW you could use a slightly better microphone
Thanks for the feedback! Yes I've got plans for a new setup in the near future. :)
You have some really cool videos that are inspiring.
A really knowledgable fellow regarding capacitors is Robert Murray-Smith. You will not leave his channel without having learned something, a very inventive and inclusive CZcamsr. He developed a liquid graphite paint/print on gel which offers 4 farads per centimeter square for building capacitors. These Graphite Super Capacitors, besides functioning like a normal capacitor, will store 3 or 4 times more energy, so they have battery qualities.
Another novel capacitor includes plexiglass 30cmx30cm, coated with melibdenum film, having a central hole through which, perpendicular to the plane of the plexiglass, is mounted a coil 4cm x 30cm. This presented by Don Smith at Tesla Symposium is said to gather ambient energy. Mr. Smith was the Head engineer for a large American Space company. Not big on details but does like to get your appetite going.
Keep on producing awesome videos.
Thank you.
That's a beast of a soldering iron. Like a spearhead.
How about the charging? will they cut the charging on their own or a special charger is required to fully charge them and cut off the charging?
Lugs should be crimped or screw type, as solder can melt under high load conditions.
A lot of people crimp and then solder for a touch of extra connectivity. solder alone is a no no. hope those don't get hot for any reason.
always best to crimp and solder ....but what kindof loads that you forsee in startin a car are goin to melt solder ??? that aren't a fault condition that should be disconnected anyway .
How many amps would need to be going through the contacts to heat up the solder to the 300 plus degrees needed to melt the solder?
Depends if it's a good joint or not but a poor 1 ohm soldering/cracked joint as little as 10 amps @ 12v 120Watts equal to a soldering iron, many factors come into play mainly the resistance of the joint. Crimping and soldering is best you will never find a soldered car battery.
Just remember cranking an engine is anywhere around 500AMPs+ (just look at your cranking amp capacity of your battery). A loose cable will arc and get super hot if you keep trying to crank a car that's failing due to bad current transfer. I've burnt my hand on just a loose clamp on a terminal once and it was smoking very lightly before I grabbed it. this will soften any soldering and with weight on the cable, may pull it out
Could you charge using a buck converter with pots for voltage and current?
Would it be bad to use aluminum channels for the acrylic panels? Then use Line-X as an insulator?
Would a battery bank like this need some form of protection wrapping or insulation?
Would lithium ion batteries need to be protected if you were building a super battery for like a electric car?
How does the balance board work if its connected at the bus board and the caps are all connected there? Doesn't it need individual autonomy over current into each cap separately ?
What about using a wrench to tighten the bolts down?
If you were to compare this setup to a 12 volt auto motive or deep cycle battery, what stats would this translate to? As in amp/hrs and such...
add LiFePo4 for Hybrid...?
i have a question well a couple for you can you charge these as you are using them charge while discharge also if i wanted to build a setup like this to run a 230v 3 phase 10 hp electric ac motor would or is this possible
Have you considered zener diodes instead of a balance board? I think the amount of passive drain would need to be compared between the options.
Can we use supercapacitor for electric bikes ..??
can you tell me please what exact did you use to chanrge it did you put a resisitor in series ?
Curious to know what effect it will have on the (14.4VDC) Alternator Voltage Regulator... (either PM or with Field- stator - winding)
smoke one suspects...not to mention a lot of modern cars run smart chargers- you need a board that mimics the charge cycle of the lead acid it is to replace and feeds that to the capacitors?
, you are also going to be charging at 14.3v from an alternator and if uncontrolled that load will increase exponentially in amperage your car will also be pulling amps to run its auxilliarys...radio on loud, air con on, headlights and interior lights and seat warmers and electric windows eyce tc- you would need to overmatch the alternator to all that, 200 amps?
i dunno...
however the whole benefit of this system is that it should in theory recharge almost instantly.hopefully that happens very quickly before the alternator gets too hot...
Sir, I was wondering if in fact you have given any thought to how this could replace an actual lead acid battery and possible methods of in car charging from the Cigarette lighter. Thank you again
I am concerned about the gauge of the wire used to attach the balancing circuit. The charging current in the 5A vicinity could cause significant voltage drop when balancing occurs and potentially cause a imbalance to overcharge one of the capacitors above it's 2.7V rating. This could be a disastrous problem after many cycles of charge/discharge, when each capacitor voltage will be different due to differences in the actual capacitance value of each capacitor. The wiring may burn up when 5A is applied overtime as well.
Good
Any info regarding the busbar please? :)
Would this easily scale up to a 48 volt bank? I want to use it in a solar battery bank to allow Air Conditioning and other initial high load appliances to operate
Thanks for the video!
Yes, you could scale this up to 48vdc. The only issue would be the relatively high expense of the components. :)
Where can I buy the capacitors??
how much are each of this caps? weekdays the total budget on this project?
How long does this battery charge?
I’m creating a solar and wind turbine field kit for camping and I’m using a 220-240 volt 300w motor with a bridge rectifier converting it to 12v dc then onto a charger controller rated at 30amp the smallest I could find then I wanted to connect it to a battery bank now I was watching your capacitor battery bank what would you suggest and would I need a capacitor to control the ac to dc to the controller??? Any help would be appreciated
I know this is an old video. Im watching it after seeing your spot welder video. I was curious of the dangers with charged capacitors while working on electronics. Would touching the positive and negative posts shock you or is it safer because its only 12vdc?
if my previous question is possible could you shed some light or maybe give me a place to look for a build of this sort and another question what would i use to rapidly charge it
Would a hindge or two not work on bottom?
would it be good for an electric bicycle?
Great video!
One thing I would add is a fireproof bag in case of overload / fire. What do you think?
Dear bro
How much backup time to use without battery
but what on earth is the capacity of this thing in the end?? in joules?
how does this do in a solar application
Where can you find the bus bars?
Good video, not being electrically minded still not clear on series connecting , also I have a mobility scooter that uses 2x 12v battery's wired in series, would I need 2x banks of 6 capacitors or I bank x6 with a higher output, duh! They Don't call me homer for nothing lol, 👍
how fast this chage??
Where did you get your kit
Thanks.....arjun.....india
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Solding the connectors is wrong, you need to crimp them. ask an electrician for his cramp pliers. but the whole concept is really great and you built it up very professional. Where did you got the capacitors from as I find it pretty complicated to get some?
I'd rather refer to an electrical engineer when it comes to electrical unions inside a moving, vibrating automobile. Turns out soldering the wire to the crimp on lug provides the strongest union you can do benchmade, whilst forged lead lugs directly onto the wire is slightly stronger - that in effect solders the wire to the lug as well. BTW if you wish to try it, I'm sure you'll find what the engineers did - you can do so without that mondo soldering iron. (Use an oxyacetaline torch like you'd use to solder copper pipe.)
Tell me please ... Why did you choose 6 supercapacitors and not more (or less)?
Thank you for your patience with my too basic questions
2.7v x 6 = 16.2v
Lead acid ~ 12v
Car alternator ~ 14.4v
6 Super Capacitors should be able to safely handle the car alternator turning on, after a car turns over, if this battery is to be used in 12v automotive applications.
As you were going to use the unit with battery clamps, why not just use lugs and bolts instead of battery posts on the unit. If you wanted to remove the cables, you could use brass/stainless wingnuts on the bolts like is done with marine batteries.
Are caps really worth it? Why is it that no one has used the boostcaps to boost the traction battery on hybrid cars? Just wondering!
volvo is developing supercaps built as fenders in their cars and others are using them also to improve charging rates
generally they're still expensive compared to LiIon for energy density
Lasersaber made a capacitor battery and ran his car off it over 3 years ago you can see the results of his work on youtube.
Do u know how many mah it does store?
Those are huge caps and your box is bigger than my battery. Are there smaller super caps I can use for a car? It's a 1.6l manual trans Honda CRX. Compression is 9.1:1, average winter temp is 50F...
I've seen other YT'ers build cap banks using 350f or 400f caps and they seem to do okay. Would require some experimenting I'd say :)
needs to be hybrid setup that has battery, just caps will leave you stranded.
CZcams hybrid car battery for v2 schematics.
Sir,
How we can use it electric bike.? to get self charging.
Sun Moon did u say ELECTRICBIKE? hahaha I've got some Supercaps here to test with my electric bike... some pros, some cons but the ability of discharge at ridiculous current is a plus and will give me a lot of fun, ohhh yeaaahhh
great work...but how to create a high voltage capacity super capacitor battery bank???
i wont be holding my breath..until i get a reply,just sayin'!
This is the difficulty encountered when a EE tries to be an ME... ;-P
how much are each of this caps? what is the total budget on this project?
Buy on line
How much did you spend putting this together just to avoid buying a $60 LiOn battery booster that fits in your pocket?
nice job , bit overkill on the caps eh ?
wouldn't 500F /2.7V be adequate ?
plus giveya 1.2V more
Gota turn it up to 11 for the internet, don't I? haha :)
aha , more about marketing than science
Actually, I was jump starting a jeep with this the other day. It was a real pain to start! I actually wanted a bigger cap bank! :)
Can it run a 10,000 watt inverter to run a home
I want to know as well but for a 3kwatt?
I wold like to make maybe a dum question... how many amps is possible to get from a power bank like this one you build? Sorry my ignorance about this tema but i try to learn a little bit of electricity...
If memory serves me right, I've drawn well over 500amps from this capacitor bank. They can pump out a huge amount of current!
Might?
You may want to have a look at lasersaber's channel, he's build a hybrid supercapacitor pack tied into a li-ion cell for car applications :)
Thanks man!
MiggyManMike ...
Please could you provide a link or the name of the video, I looked 4 it but couldn't find it.
Thanks buddy.
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Could you not add a 7th cap and eliminate the PCB protection? 2.7x7=18.9V(in the case of 2.5V 2.5x7=17.5V)that should get you safely past max voltage alternator could output. It might take up a little more space but far simple and easier to troubleshoot.
Great question. The PCB that provides basic protection won't actually prevent overcharging from an alternator. The amount of current an alternator can output is many times greater than what the circuit protection can handle. For sure you could add a 7th capacitor but, there is a drawback. When capacitors are wired in series, the total capacitance is divided by the number of caps. In my build, each cap is 2600F & there are 6 of them. So the equation would look like this: 2600/6 = 433F of capacitance. If you added a 7th cell: 2600/7 = 371F of capacitance. In summary, the more cells you have in series, the total amount of power storage diminishes.
I need 48v
Don't solder the ends on battery wires. A good crimp will hold up better. All OEMs crimp. Solder causes the wire to become brittle. At the point between brittle and flexible, you can get metal fatigue.
If you don't have a large crimp tool (they're quite expensive), some table vices have the ability to crimp. Or you can buy a fixture that will fit a vice.
Absolutely correct. However, because these wires aren't moving or bending metal fatigue isn't a concern of mine. The vice trick works great. At a pinch, a hammer and punch tool can suffice. :)
If you are in the US, you can just go to your local Harbor Freight and pick up a crimper. The 8 tons of force hydraulic ones are under $60 and can handle anything from # 14 wire up to #0 wire. When done, my #4 cables then had a sleeve of black heat shrink tube and red electrical tape on the positive leads and just heat shrink tube on the negative ( couldn't find the right size red at the time ).
this thing is not cheap
How best to inspect the capacitor because even battery explode on me in 1991 if not knowing what inside and for capacitor look hard to inspect if not having window for inside or circuit Bing using voltage drop theory analysis to find hidden secrets switch
Could I use this as a 'battery' to run a 600 W AC heater through an inverter? I have an electric car and would like to find a battery that would charge quickly and run for about 1/2 hour.
No, your heater would run for only a few seconds before the voltage lowers beyond a 'usable' level for an inverter.
If the heater can run down to around 6V, then he should get nearly 40 seconds from six 2600F caps. (0.5*C*V^2 * 0.75)
hey send me a list where you got the caps and things that looks like it would come in hand for my business
Top of more ..... you have instagran?
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That would toast the semiconductor would it not would infrared or electron telescope be best to see inside all military gear because most likely they attack soldier using gear
The heatsinks should go on the resistors, not the chips. The resistors burn off the excess energy, the chips are just control and do not give off much heat
Incorrect. The semiconductors get extremely hot under load. I have performed tests using a temp sensor.etc
Hi all?
I don't think I can afford to make this beast, but did see a 6x500F on eBay for £35.
I need to use it as a leisure battery to power lights & charge phone, tablet, cycle lights...
I only do short trips in the van, so need something that'll charge fast, where as the leisure battery I have takes many hours to charge :-(
So if I bought THREE 6x500F's
1/ would it be a good compromise?
2/ how would I charge them (using van only) or with what?
3/ how quickly could I charge them (I'm hoping only 15 to 30 minutes)
Helpful info needed
Thanks
Mike in the UK
6x500F cap's in series will be able to store around 2.5watthours of power storage. For context, a typical phone battery has around 10 watthours. Charge time would be a few seconds. But you'd have to limit the charge current if you're charging from a car plug. Otherwise, you'd blow the fuse every time. In a nutshell, 6x500F caps won't provide anywhere near the power storage you'd require. The real solution for your application would be a LIPO battery pack. A quality lipo can be charged very quickly (depends on the capacity & charger used) within the time frame you specified. Plus you could have a couple batteries. So one's charging while you use the other. Hope this helps
Ahaaa, very handy info, thanks @@Schematix, I almost went for the 500F's, but willnow look for the LIPO's
So now you just have to build one of what I want & make a video about it, so I can build one myseld :-)
I would NEVER solder these joints, it is fragile and dangerous...
No hate but why did he day duct tape like that
these ultra caps are not made ideally to be used without a battery! if you have a high power consuming system its best to have a good battery as well, best types are LTO batts, or LifePO4 batts, along with super caps and a good alternator of course!, these caps dont have the much needed power reserve that regular batteries do like an AGM battery
Ok kids I have twelve of these caps in my car for the last 8 years. I have no circuit board and I have a charger in my trunk just in case. Do not try and jump start your caps from another car , you will blow up their battery and alternator especially from 0 volts. Possibly the cars computer too . 8 to 9 volts and you will take months of life from the other cars battery! Possibly blow up the alternator. I know i fried two of my wife’s batteries! If you want to build a charger just use a 600 watt HPS BALLAST transformer with the secondary coil chopped out. Use about 14 to 16 turns of the heaviest gauge wire you can fit and a single 400 amp diode will do. I use a 1000 watt HPS BALLAST and a 400 amp bridge rectifier and it’s overkill . Mine Chargers from 0 volts in about 30 to 40 seconds at 150 amps. Once you reach 14.4 volts the current tapers off. Get yourself a 12 volt solar panel and wire it straight to the caps for many days of not driving the car. DO NOT START YOUR CAR WITH THE PANNLE STILL HOOKED UP ! Your caps will drops about a volt a day and under 10 volts and you will not be able to start your car. Umm what else I can tell you. Oh NEVER, I SAY NEVER TRY TY USE A CHARGER DIRECTLY TO THE CAPS WITH THE CAR IS STILL CONNECTED!!! Disconnect your caps from the car and charge your caps. Then connect your caps to your car. 150 amps across your computer will definitely fuck your car up !! Use a meter in your cigarette lighter to monitor voltage. My twelve caps cost me 200 bucks back in the day now I just buy one every Friday and I’m at ten caps for the old ladies car. Do EXACTLY what I say. Trust me and if you blow your shit up it’s not my fault! You just don’t understand electronics. DO ALL CHARGING EXPERIMENTS OUTSIDE OF YOUR CAR FIRST!! YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE NOTHING OVERHEATS OR BLOWS UP BEFORE YOU USE IT IN YOUR CAR! Make sure you use a volt meter. Anyway good luck.
why are all the large cap's always low voltage? is there some intrinsic rule in electronics i just don't know about in capacitance. and you should check out Julian Ilett's video on his smaller super cap's and his explanation on the control board and a cool mod on it czcams.com/video/trEnwNaEgJ0/video.html
Our current technology only allows us the choice of low voltage high capacity, or high voltage low capacity. Unless you want to use a refrigerator sized capacitor.
Hopefully with carbon nano-tube tech., we can make a high voltage high capacitance capacitors that are small and lightweight.
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Duct tape not duck tape. The tape is for taping air ducts and such. You should NOT tape ducks!
Handy if you dont want the ducks to fly away
Total cost!
awwww...what the hell? you combed your hair!? !!! :-) hahaha
how many people, wired in series, can you kill with that thing? the DOD might want to hire you...
You can't kill people electrically with the thing, you can however burn them alive if it vents with flame.
While the capacitor is happy to supply a lethal amount of current, its voltage is going to be limited to less than 14V. The resistance of human body will act as current limiter and limit the current to a safe amount. Injury will be averted. And the more people you connect in series, the higher the resistance and lower the current. A single person with very sweaty hands might just about feel the tiniest bit of something very subtly, but multiple will not.
I got a new haircut! Thought I'd try something that didn't portray me as a mad-scientist type....... even if in reality I am one ;)
why ever seal it with glue...seems idiotic to me.
Wouldn't hold a charge long enough. No thank you.
learn to use a microphone on your collar please
those lugs are horrible...the crimp ones are worse. you want whats called a split bolt lug. i have 8000 watt electric furnaces that run at 2600 F...and to power the elements i have to use split bolt lugs,,,,anything else just goes to crap really fast. dont waste money , time ,,and risk a fire. dont use crimp on lugs.
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