Rockstars & Celebrities Who Can't Stand BILLY CORGAN of The Smashing Pumpkins
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Soundgarden, Courtney love, pavement,
The smashing pumpkins frontman and leader billy corgan has feuded with many bands and musicians over the years. Today let’s take a look at some of his more notable feuds that don’t involve ex-bandmates and if i’ve missed any put them in the comments section below.
Collective Soul
Collective Soul ascended to prominence in the mid 90’s with their 1994 hit single Shine from their debut album. The song was a huge hit topping the US Mainstream rock charts and it was also a crossover hit peaking at number 11 on the US billboard hot 100.
It was during that the time that Shine took off, The Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan slammed Collective Soul in the press referring to Frontman Roland as a "shameless rip off artist" According to Cleveland.com Corgan was upset over how similar the song sounded to the smashing pumpkins track, Drown. Corgan was so upset that he sued Collective Soul in the mid 90’s but Roland was able to produce a demo of the song that dated back to 1989, which predated the formation of the Smashing Pumpkins. It was rumored that Collective Soul for their second album, which was self titled and came out in 1995 wrote a diss track about corgan in 1995 called Smashing Young Man. While Corgan isn’t named in the track there are lyrics like "synthetic-like," and saying he lives in a "self-lit spotlight
And as recently as 2020 Ed Roland gave an interview to Cleavland.com where he clarified what the song was about saying
everyone thought that because he was busy smack-talking about us all the time -- which didn't bother me at all. It's just a fun song, and the next thing you know Billy starts coming at me again and I'm like, "Dude! No, no no..." And finally, there was one point where I just said, "Yeah, it was written about him, sure. Whatever he wants to think, I don't care." But I love Smashing Pumpkins. If I ever met Billy, I'd tell him what a great musician, great songwriter he is. I've got nothing negative to say. I've got other things to do in my life than to bitch about people
The Smashing Pumpkins would surprisingly cover “Shine” at a show in 2010 briefly and heres what happened..” Whoa, heaven let your light shine down. I hate that song. What a rip off of my band. Fast forward to
2019 and Billy Corgan was answering fan questions on Instagram when one fan asked the frontman if he ever made peace with collective soul to which he responded ‘F*** Collective soul, now and always.’
Soundgarden
Billy Corgan gave an interview in 2012 with Philstar just before playing a show in the Philippines where he singled out the band Soundgarden who he labeled as a nostalgia act for making money off playing their old tunes. Soundgarden would reunite in 2010 after a 13 year break. Corgan would say there are bands that are essentially coming back to only make money playing their old albums &maybe somewhere in the back of their minds they are thinking that their might be a future. I'm not in that business obviously. .I condemn anybody whose in that business, but doesn't admit he's in that business. When Soundgarden came back and they just played their old songs. Great! Iwas a fan of Soundgarden. But call it for what it is. They are just out to have one more round at the till he'd say.
The same month Corgan appeared on a a radio station and seemed to indicate that it was Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell who started the feud the frontman told an interviewer in 2007 that he didn't consider the Smashing Pumpkins reunion at that point in timeas he put it to be legitimate. In 2007 Corgan had reunited with original drummer Jimmy Chamberlin but not the rest of the original band, leading many in the press and in their fanbase to criticize Corgan. Corgan would claim in that same interview
An Cornell would retaliate a few months later in 2012 telling ABC Radio
"When Billy Corgan was completely broke, I got him a movie deal with [director] Cameron Crowe where he made $40,000. He was very happy about that, and he was specifically happy about the $40,000. So - Hudba
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Fan of The Smashing Pumpkins? Also, tomorrow is truly going to b a WTF kind of video...
Yessir one of my favorite bands
Yup
No
I'm a fan, back in my teenage years and my 20s, I was a very big fan. I hardly listen to the Pumpkins much these days, but I still like them,yes
Siamese Dream probably my favorite album of all time.
Billy’s a genius. Ask him and he’ll tell you.
😂😂
Better than Cobain that's for sure
Cobain's vocals are infinitely better than Billy. Songwriting too.@@brandonharris9160
@@brandonharris9160 sure buddy, Cobain didn't need to be a "genius" to become huge
LMAO
I sat next to Billy at a Sonics game years ago and he was so friendly even to my weird uncle who kept singing his songs. I had to apologize for my uncle and he just said never apologize for idiots in a laughing manner. Then he bought me a drink.
I can see him being nice to fans but really competitive and unkind with other musicians
@@nikomahal he's a shark, he does not play friendly with bands, he has pop ego in a rock and roll world, but I think him being an intelligent observer makes it hard for other musicians or bands to trust him because his intentions aren't always clear (is he sizing me up, is he judging me, etc)
Yeah I met him once in 2019 and he was as pleasant as could be.
... that's not very nice
I bet if you were a trans woman, he probably would have threatened to bash your head in.
I grew up in Chicago, and in the 90's I owned a valet parking company. I had several accounts at night clubs and billy showed up one night, I believe he had a Ferrari, we talked outside for about 10-15 minutes, he was genuinely very nice to me, I play synthesizers and I asked him about his gear, what he likes, etc... He was super chill about all of it and it was something I will always remember.
Apparently the Ferrari dealer sarcastically asked him how he planned to pay for his car. Billy responded "Cash" and opened a bag full of money he had with him. 😂
yeah he liked to be worshipped and you supplied that
He was nice to you because he needed something from you. Had you bumped into him out on the street that conversation wouldn't have happened. Instead he'd have said something douchey and told you to F off.
Congratulations Billy Corgan treated you like a human being
@@McHale72uh-huh. Everyone talks to the valet for 15 minutes or they don’t get their car back. Everyone knows that.
I gotta stop learning about the private life of the musicians I like.
I gotta stop wanting to be friends with all the local musicians I like. It just gets weird. Not like, in a good way.
Right!!!
How about meeting them personally and learning it yourself first hand if that's possible. Stop having so much faith in second hand information. It's rarely what people make it out to be because it's subjective impression. Create your own. My personal experience with artists that I like have been really great.
Maybe use your brain and make your own decision idk
you probably shouldn't trust everything you hear
I’m surprised this video isn’t an hour long.
Or has it's own series.
Beat me to it. 😂
They cut it short
because most of the beefs are fake.
😂😂😂
I’m from Chicago-
I have grew up around
Billy Coragan
Billy is just a Midwest guy
I’ve seen ppl hating on BC
I really don’t know why 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I'll never hate on somebody for doing local commercials. There is something cool about staying close to where you are from and sharing your celebrity with them.
Yeah I can't agree with that being a negative thing, there is NOTHING wrong w/ doing local commercials!!!
word, seems like a nice guy move to me
Also I think it was to promote his ownership in the wrestling company
Yeah I love him for that.
@@4narchydigitalwhich wrestling company was advertised in that commercial?
Billy is TOTALLY in that business. I saw them a month ago and they played half hard metal type stuff, half their pop hits. TONS of nostalgia.
Saw them in SLC in August and it was incredible
Maybe just not enough anyway? Lol! 😅
🌸 hearing them live will make you young 🌸 🎶 🎃
If a band that’s been around that long didn’t play any of their hits nobody would ever come see them. They aren’t relevant anymore, and that’s ok. They came out of a very niche scene to begin with and now they just returned to it
@@farrah9748hearing them live will make you su!icdial, his voice is phuqqin terrible.
If you have anything bad to say about Chris Cornell, then it speaks volume about you. He was one of the kindest souls in rock n roll's history.
❤
Facts
Aside from just being a kind soul, he was also one of the top 5 best rock singers of all time, no dispute. Billy Corgan isn't even in the top 100.
Even beyond that, what billy accused them of doing is exactly what he has done multiple times
And probably the ONLY person that Corgan regrets messing with. But honestly doesn't sound like he was raised right. Needed a switch on that ass at the proper time.
All that matters to me is that The Smashing Pumpkins wrote some great music that helped me when I needed it.
One of the best bands ever no doubt.
@@onionheadguy7094 No Doubt is fine too, but I prefer Smashing Pumpkins. 😋
Just like Morrissey. They helped me out but they turned into wankers. Cogran is more Lou Reed ish in that he'll go either way. Moz is just a crashing bore.
yeah they made it specially for you - did you try nirvana flavor ?
*write. ATUM is miraculously good, from a 55-year-old, and is one of my personal favorite SP albums already.
Very few artists can keep it together when they become super famous. Billy seems to have good qualities and bad, same as most of us.
At best, Billy is a musical genius with a fire in his heart that just kept roaring throughout the years. At worst, he was a control freak isolated in a bubble he refused to leave even at the cost of his bandmates.
It proves that the spotlight is a magnifying glass. Every single trait is magnified.
Bullshit
@@brenetssss use your words…more than one at a to me is best.
Billy is the real deal. F the haters and talentless backstabbers.
Next subject.
I and other 70ish people met him in Milan back in 2005, he actually organized the meeting. He played a few songs and answered all of our questions, shook hands and signed autographs, allowed videos. He only strictly asked not to pose with him for pics. Chillest dude ever.
Based on many many interviews and articles and people's own interactions, it seems Billy is very dynamic. He can do very nice things and also express himself without regard for the consequences.
*see narcissist*
@@caiusmadison2996 he's definitely a narcissist but he's earned it. He's a very different person today than 30 years ago. But he's always enjoyed playing a heel and keeping people guessing. He's starting to get over that now with kids, and now getting married, and his recent confession that he's still very much a Jesus freak just not in the way people really think he is. A very very complicated person and antihero (though he hates that term) and that's one of the reasons I love him.
@@caiusmadison2996 that idiotic word was overused to the point that it was removed as a disorder. It’s such a lazy armchair psychologist diagnosis that isn’t valid 99% of the time.
Some narcissism is healthy, ie ego vs id. But it’s a derogatorily overused term, alluding to the accused as being something monstrous.
I’d say that Billy is more of a beloved beast than an atrocious menace; he’s smashingly talented, however overbearingly so!
He’s a legitimately awful person. No joke. He wrote some excellent tunes early on, but he is not such a genius that it is okay that he treats others like garbage.
I'd like to see a fued between 1996 Corgan and 2023 Corgan.
Oh, me too!
Billy’s earliest feud was with my brother in 3rd grade at Hall Elementary school. Immortalized by my brother writing over Billy’s picture in the 3rd grade yearbook a slur that he did not learn from his older brother. Later we became the cool kids.
I love that he was on the cover of Paws Chicago
I was born in Chicago, one of the best things I remember about it was the Vienna Chicago Hot Dog take outs. I would've loved to see him do a commercial for them.
There are tons of reasons to give Corgan crap. Him supporting hometown/local businesses and organizations isn’t one of there. That’s probably one of the few redeeming stories I’ve heard about him.
One of my favorite Love quotes is when she said that the song was about a guy she hexed and his hair fell out then kicked into Violet.
Anderson Cooper
Yeah Corgan is an egotistical ass but supporting local business is actually cool. Cooper is really just too posh
It's a bit goofy and uncool but there's no law against being goofy and uncool. He's right wing conspiracy theory nut Infowars nutjob now, that's reason enough to laugh at him, that and his insufferable arrogance.
Douche bag cooper ripping him for helping a charity .wow.
@Jeffery Tornado the 3rd a crackhead, hate crime loving conspiracy theorist being your shining example of character doesn't surprise me of your ilk.
Corgan is in no way like Jones lmao
I remember him on Joe Reagan talking about how he saw a celebrity shape shift once
I live just outside Chicago, and I've visited his tea shop, Madame Zuzu's plenty of times.
I've never spoken to him, but I've seen him there on plenty of occasions. Despite Smashing Pumpkins playing a pretty important role in my life, he's always seemed incredibly busy or with his family, so it just never felt right. It was enough for me just to be hanging out in the area. Most of the time I see him ordering from his own place, chatting up locals, being a very nice person.
After the tragedy that struck Highland Park, the town where Madame Zuzu's is at, he went right to work with charity work to help the town.
He could have chosen to build some cash-in franchise style restaurant in the heart of the city like Michael Jordan, Mike Ditka, Jimmy Buffet, etc, etc. He could have cashed in on HIS name for himself. But he chose to build a small little shop that helped build up a community. I'm sure he could easily do both and it wouldn't be an issue- but the point is he could have just chosen to NOT do any of that.
But he supports local artists by USING his name to get people to check out bands/singers/artists that others might just walk right on past.
I don't doubt that Billy Corgan has probably ruffled some feathers in the past, but to me he seems like quite the class act.
Your comment needs to be at least 2 paragraphs longer.
Billy Corgan vs Anderson Cooper, now there's a celebrity beef that I didn't see coming.
Corgan loves his kitties 🐈⬛ 🐱
The funny part about the furniture commercial one is I bet that had as much to do about Billy promoting his wrestling as it did about selling furniture.
Cooper is a genuine establishment hack of the highest order. Any smart person would call him out.
Anderson Cooper gives off creep vibes without saying a word.
@@Dark_Harmony That because he is.
My cousin told me he saw Blind Melon open for Smashing Pumpkins before Blind Melon was popular. People were yelling for them to play more songs. Smashing Pumpkins got on stage and he said Billy was furious telling them "You came to see me not that fucking band." I guess he went off a few times during their set.
Wow . Billy is quite the snowflake ❄️ Ive come to find. How lame. I love the music for sure, but cant stand the guy either. Im also not a rockstar but if ai was Id feel the same. Id Avoid him as much as possible.
I saw Green Day open for smashing pumpkins on the simese dream tour, Billy was just as pissed 🤦🤣
@@floydsemlow8253 which Billy?
@@jademonolith both but it was Corrigan this time, made a great tour, they're both whiny bitches 🤣
I only know one blind melon song but know many Smashing Pumpkins songs
Wow! I was watching this video to learn more about the Collective Soul feud he had and was very very happy to see my picture of Ed Roland used for the video, and with credit (I'm Brianna Hojnacki). Thank you SO much for that, and this great video!! Made my day :)
To say Billy is eccentric is an understatement.
I'm sorry; there HAS to be a Part 2 to this video sometime later-on. There's been lots of other feuds involving Corgan.
Not sure if it's a feud but in a NOFX song the lyrics go "egos get as big as Billy Corgan's"
You should do a video about how the music industry has been bullying him since Day 1. If I was Billy Corgan, I’d be sticking up for myself a lot too.
Thank you! Dude was pigeon-holed as just another grunge artist. BC has given us some incredible music, and did it despite everyone always talking sht.
He’s a Chicago boy. Don’t gotta worry about Billy not standing up for himself
I wouldn't call what he's done in terms of calling out artists as "standing up for yourself". Dissing a band because they choose to play some more popular, older, maybe even more "radio friendly" songs? get a grip. has this dude never been to a concert??
going on record and bashing another artist is fucked up. especially when they've done nothing wrong to you or anyone else in the first place.
@@aidan673 Especially when the other artists are way better. Corgan sucks on vocals and guitar. Never understood what people like about that crappy band.
25 years later and Billy Corrgan is still pissed about Collective Soul, even after they proved in court that the song was older than The Smashing Pumpkins itself. No wonder so many people hate them.
I remember back in the 90's when grunge and other alt. bands were all the rage, I was giving my teen brother and his friend a ride to some restaurant they wanted to be dropped off at. We were listening to the radio, and my brothers friend asked me. "You like Smashing Pumpkins?" I said, only on Halloween.
Oh geez, are you related to my dad?
I remember back in the 90s, we were outside listening to the radio and my older sister saying something like “I like Smashing Pumpkins” and our dad saying something like “well, they _are_ just cheap Halloween decorations.”
My sister tried going on this long explanation about them being a band and him being old … but he cut it short and made it known that he definitely knew and didn’t care for them lol.
@@TwoBs Ha, I like it. I remember thinking, never have I been so witty. Enough so that I always remembered that little quip. But truly, it was a very dad joke thing for a teen to say.
"I wish I hadn't contributed in even the most miniscule way to (Chris Cornell's) unhappiness. But hey -- I've still got my forty thousand bucks."
He also made it about himself, interesting.
it was Cornells 40k to begin with
Dont blame Cornells weakness and mental illness on Billy.
Totally. ppl dont get what a socio he is. I covered it.
From what I've heard everyone loved Cornell. Haven't seen another musician talk shit about him... granted I haven't looked. Corgan seems pretty egotistical.
I'm not a "fan" of Pumkins but I saw them live at glasto think it was 97, best live band I've ever seen. I'm still in love with the bassist, never seen her since don't know her name.
D'arcy Wretzky - you actually got to hear her play which you didn’t listening to the album. Billy would record over her lines.
Don't Google what she looks like now 😬
Every male wanted Darcy back in the day. Couldn't blame them.......from what I've heard she was the nicest member of the band.
@@malloryknox6802It's tragic. She was one of these gals that didn't have to put effort into looking good. She was pretty and cute.
@@patrickwoods2213all you ppl are weirdos
I've loved Billy since I was about 14, he's a masterful musician and brilliant songwriter. He's been in the music business for decades and never had a sex scandal, drug or rehab scandal, has always been gracious to his fans and is a devoted father and husband. He took his little boy on stage and asked the crowd to sing happy birthday to him, that was so touching. What he doesn't flaunt in everyone's faces is all the charity work he's done and shows he's done for charity that he didn't boast about. He's a good person and he's got balls of steel. Lots of people thought they could bully him and push him around and that's why he had to be a dick sometimes, same with Thom York, he had to stand his ground and I respect that. If you don't think he's a genius listen to Starla. If you don't like his music it's cause all you've heard is the hits.
Just a bit of a cry baby thats all … 🤓
I’m pretty sure he was a heroin addict way back
We're probably about the same age (I'm 42) and I loved BC at age 14 too. Starla is a great song.
Starla is a great song. Unfortunately he doesn't really do great songs anymore
It’s just too bad billy sounds like a dying cat with a nasal infection.
He’s honest. And mostly right with his points. I’m not even that much of a fan. But he doesn’t filter his thoughts. Hence why people think he’s arrogant. I find it liberating.
It's probably easier to list the rockstars who don't hate Billy Corgan!
"Billy Corgan- Smashing Pumpkins."
"Homer Simpson- Smiling Politely..."
He's a really mean guy. My friend was a big fan rang up to talk to them on some radio show. And they teased him for his name. He then went to the gig and got yelled at by Billy saying all you people suck, f you all. He was so confused he paid $ and loved them. And they were just jerks. Especially Billy
He reminds me of a few friends of mine from way back, conceited yet usually friendly that is until they have either a professional dispute or someone eats their ice cream they wrote their name on in the fridge.
There is an old video of Adam the Woo(who is travel vlogger) ran into Billy at a very obscure place. Billy seemed like a nice guy. He even bought Adam lunch and hung out with him for awhile
Billy Corgan was a member of The Marked in St Petersburg Florida in the mid-1980s. If you were alternative. this means that you were not a mainstream corporate tool. I am alternative and from what I have read and heard he seems to have stayed true to his values.
@@Menstral There's a fine line between alternative and being contrary for the sake of being contrary.
Yep I remembere Adam The Woo Video too. It was a town in Texas where they both talked about a nefarious tree in the county seat courtyard. That was when Billy was doing his "30 Days" road trip back in 2017 where he took a road trip around the US for 30 days, visiting small towns and historical music spots (like Clarksdale, MS for example). I quite enjoyed seeing two different worlds of things I enjoy (Pumpkins and Adam The woo) coming together.
@@Menstral you mean like how he bought in to the pro wrestling industry and was hated for it because he didnt earn his way in, and then went on to ruin all the federations associated with him. lol
@@mage1439 I don't read much Rock journalism or follow much Rock gossip so maybe my perspective is of limited value. I prefer data and actual choices to journalistic bluster/hype/slant, and 'he said she said' spats.
Can we all just get along and make good music
@rnrtruestories I never did your level of investigation, but I was trying to do the same sorts of musical mini-docs on my college radio station. Your full-length docs are cool and remind me of that time.
It's nice to see other rock stars and celebrities agree with us little people on something.
I've been a fan of the pumpkins for a long time, and I don't take what they say in the press seriously. They're pretty open about the fact that creating the appearance of drama, even when there isn't any, was always in the plans for the band. They also purposefully give different answers to the same questions, sometimes contradicting themselves, as a joke.
Like the CCP. How you even begin to take them serious 🤣🤦
@@floydsemlow8253 because they murder millions?
@@srt4b and millions and millions 😞
The band always cared about the fans first and foremost. I remember that Corgan, on behalf of the band, used to have a communication line open to talk to fan clubs and such... the whole release of "Machina II" was the band spitting in the media, label and giving a 4-disc release for free to acquaintances authorized to make copies, upload on the Internet and such...
Or they're retconning their wack behavior as "it's all totally a plan dude"
One of the latest funniest Billy Corganisms that happened was when Corgan was being interviewed by Rick Beato on CZcams and somehow STILL was able to be pissed at Cobain after he's been dead for 30 years. hahahaha.
I've watched some of Beato's interviews, and he usually gets a good conversation out of some normally prickly people, probably because he's such a good musician himself. For example, the Maynard (who can sometimes be really difficult) interview was really good because they'd talk about things like the distinctive sound of the Fairlight keyboard, something you *know* would never get discussed by an interviewer from Rolling Stone or wherever. I still couldn't bring myself to watch the Billy Corgan interview since he can easily become a douche for no reason.
@@lluewhyn You dodged a bullet, in that particular interview he was suuuuper extra douchey. I was cringing the whole time. "He stole my guitar sound!" How old is he to still bitch about petty stuff like that.
I've only seen the Sting interview. I'll have to search for the Billy Corgan / Maynard interviews.
@@kamest Especially when thing like that aren't true.
I was quite enjoying that interview initially, and it seemed Billy was on his best behavior for awhile. Then at some point he flips the ego switch and everything changed. And I'm like, "oh right! This is the obnoxious cringe Billy Corgan I remember."
I worked at the Pumpkins label.
He sure had them jumping whenever he snapped his finger. Watching the old music execs kiss this kid’s ass was a thing of beauty. He could be as difficult as he wanted to… Because he was Billy. 😹😹😹
I see obsoletely nothing wrong with posing with some cats and enjoying yourself.
Billy Corgan is his own worst enemy.
Billy: Soundgarden are just back together to play their old songs. Call it for what it is. *In 2012 when Soundgarden released King Animal*
And had a new song on the Avengers Soundtrack.
@@lluewhyn Right, was that released the year before? I remember "Live to Rise" was a hit and it was absolutely not a secret the band were working on a new album. They were even thinking of putting the song on the album but they didn't and surprise surprise the album was actually great UNLIKE THE LATE SMASHING PUMPKINS MATERIAL. I know they're releasing 33 songs this year and Billy is doing a podcast about it but the band have been a bit squiffy since Machina.
Well to be fair Corgan has released 10x the new material since any given reformation
@@GrantValdes Billy Corgan was and probably still is the most prolific songwriter on the planet and I'm including Rivers Cuomo in that estimation.
@@GrantValdes Yep and it all runs the gamut of garbage to mediocre! I tried so hard to enjoy anything after Zeitgeist (which was average) and it's just crap. Thankfully Billy being an awful person has made it easy to move on.
Nobody looks at Smashing Pumpkins as a current ongoing group, making new relevant music. For most of us that listen to them it’s the era from the basement jam sessions to Adore that we really reminisce on and want to hear songs from and to be honest it’s really the Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie era songs that people really want to hear and there’s nothing wrong with that. Billy’s self-importance has always been the curse of this band and Jimmy ‘s always been the musical backbone. Billy is one of my favorite songwriters of all time and I’ve always loved his distinct voice, but the man should just let the music speak for itself and stop alienating people and try considering his bandmates as equals for once.
Funny their new album says otherwise!!
Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie are masterpieces, Gish is a bit meh and the the rest is turd
@@jacksmith4460 I'm 58, and I support this message.
@@jacksmith4460gish is arguably as great as siamese dream. melancholie is MEH
Can’t look at Corgan without seeing Caillou!!!😝
Wow thanks for reminding me about Collective Soul. Never knew the name of their band but knew their songs, really well. So much nostalgia from the 90s. Really good band they were one of the few rock radio bands I could tololerate
Their 2nd and 3rd albums are great! Granted Shine is on the first album
Collective Soul is fk'ing amazing.
Shine from Collective Soul was created as an influence from the sound of Kings X, as much as Billy wants to claim it as his own. And I'm an SP fan through and through
I have heard he’s a much nicer guy these days. Maybe part of it is because he became a Dad? 🤷🏻♂️🤔 Plus, he’s answered some of my questions on Instagram and I felt they were cordial responses.
They had some great songs in 90s or early 2000s...I always thought they were underrated..What songs I did like from them, I really liked a lot...
I saw them in the mid nineties and remember Billy saying something along the lines of “Better than Ezra will always suck!” Not sure what that was about but I cheered along with the crowd 😂
Now you need to make a video about what happened between him and D’Arcy.
long story short she had some demons and while she was talented, it gets irritating as fuk watching an opiate addict co worker nod off and fade out while your supposed to be working/performing.
They did release a video about D'Arcy recently. I don't know if that's in it but I would think so?
From what I understand, she lives somewhere in seclusion in Michigan and is beyond help due to addiction issues.
@@wangson that’s not true at all. She’s been sober for years. James has been in touch with he ever since she was “fired” from the band. Hell, even James and D’arcy sued Corgan at one point in the late 00’s due to him not paying the, royalties that he owed them. The truth is D’arcy rightly questions him while they would write and record and he started to despise her at the end of the 90’s for it. He’s purposely been keeping her out of the reunions because he’s so egotistical that he wants to be the focus and hates that fans and the media keeps asking about her rejoining. She’s stated recently she would’ve rejoined if Corgan would’ve let her. Also keep in mind that James refused to speak to Corgan for 17 years and Corgan kept taking shots at him publicly in the media with James completely ignoring him.
There's plenty of videos about what happened with her.
Best part of the video - 1:50
Pumpkins start playing Shine & the whole crowd cheers & starts singing along.
Then the band abruptly stops. Billy says "i hate that song" & all the fans start cheering for that sentiment as if they weren't just excited to hear Pumpkins cover a 90's classic.
i guess you can get people to cheer for anything with a big enough speaker system.
It’s tough to figure the man out. He’s constantly ruffling feathers, but his responses are so damn poetic and beautifully thought out. He’s at the least, clearly, an ego maniac
His ego is more famous than his band. He's a hell of a songwriter, but his ego makes it feel gross to say so.
He's definitely big in that area
to think that the artist has to be the ideal of moral and goodness is naivew art and artist are different things but in this post modern age we live i know is hard for you to grasp it
Well he called out CNN as fake news way back when so he was right about that.
One of the reasons I have never cared about them.
@@residentpotato6023 is politics your whole personality? Grow up.
My mind was kind of blown when Anderson Cooper referenced My Bloody Valentine.
Must’ve been so be of the interns, definitely not him writing that line.
I’m not that surprised. MBV is considered a “Shoegaze” style. SP have a few songs that fit that same category.
@@Gene_o no
I love that cover of Paws with him. I want a poster of that shit. Such a beautiful smile.
I onlly recenty got into the pumkins and iv watched a few lengthy interviews with corgan and i never seen him act superior or smug. Seems very honest and open
The cat magazine and furniture commercial makes me like him more. Also Adore is an insanely great album.
you'll never run out of videos to make about billy corgan
Can't help it, I love it when billy starts talking smack.
You missed spat with Kim Deal (Breeders, Pixies) During 1994’s Lollapalooza she was quoted as saying of Billy, "I want that pill he has--the one that makes him think he's so fucking important."
In a 2010 interview he said, "I played here in 1994 with the Breeders." He goes on to say, "Look at a picture of Kim Deal from 1995. She was a beautiful woman. Look at me now....the same. [ie “I aged better”] I was a prince then, and I'm a king now. I'm also a Queen."
I was lucky enough to meet the Pumpkins after their Glasgow gig back in the 90's. Great bunch. Apart from Billy who was an absolute bell end.
I met Billy Corgan at the Club Soda in Kalamazoo MI after they played the State Theater with Pearl Jam and RHCP. Amazing show, and the whole gaggle of people went to the Soda to party after the show. He was standing next to the bar with his arms crossed (dude is TALL, if you haven't ever met him). I wanted to tell him how much I loved Gish and what I thought of him as a performer and he just yelled at me "Yeah, Man - whatever." I understand that he gets a lot of "fan-boy" shit from people like me, but if you don't like it, then why go out looking for it?" He's an a*^%ole. I'd much rather hang out with James Iha and/or Butch Vig.
Yep, standing at the bar but not socializing and just being moody is a dick move.
I bet he was secretly wishing for people to interact with him so he can be a dick..
I loved club soda. Best times there
I do not understand why you think that all celebrities should always be ON. Nobody is. Gish is old asf. My god, I hope this anecdote is not recent.
I'm glad people still remember Club Soda. I saw L7 there.
Billy is slowly morphing into Uncle Fester.
@ simonjones3863--💀..Hmmm.., actually, not so "slowly"..(!!)
Nice timing of the ad during furniture commercial. That makes it a clip within a clip, within a clip, within a clip (did I get that right?)
No fued but fun fact: Corgan was in a band with Wayne Static called Deep Blue Dream prior to Static-x. Corgan quit because he was splitting time also fronting the Pumpkins and decided to focus on that. Crazy how the world works.
I like to talk about Wayne anytime I can lol
Interesting, I had no idea. I assumed Wayne's first and only band was static x
Static-X were my secret 'guilty pleasure' band, back in the day (secret because I had to protect my 'extreme' music cred, which I thought I had)
I loved Static-x, I still love them, I will ALWAYS love them. They've been my favorite since I was 14 when I 1st heard them in '99. Excited for the album coming out late this year!!
No shame in my evil disco game lol. I guess I was a nu metal kid.
Curious where you heard this story. I was friends with both Wayne & Billy in this time. I recall them only jamming together and that was that.
Once billy left stardom hit for wayne.
I love him. He’s well spoken, intelligent, and not afraid to speak the truth.
I like Billy Corgan even more after this video and Anderson "mockingbird" Cooper even less. I didn't think either was possible.
What saddens me the most is that Billy will never rise to the level that he lives in within his own mind
A ton of my friends grew up in the late 80s and early 90s Chicago music scene. One of them actually lived with D'Arcy at one point.
I personally never met Corgan, but to this day, not a single person I know who knew him back then has anything good to say.
My favorite gem, said to my friend after she rejected Billy by mentioning she was at the show with her boyfriend: "Do you want to go home with him, or do you want to go home with a rockstar?" Keep in mind, this was when they were playing 100 seat venues.
Yuck!
I just remember a quote from about 15 years ago or so when a fan was trying to flirt with him or something after a Cleveland show and he made a response in disgust like "I've never fucked a girl in a bandana before". He would have been around 40 or so at the time, still trying to live that rockstar life.
Well at least he was confident
his blog is horrific an he was predator . He stayed at a minors home hung with predators rhcp depp an mm did mega drugs. he bugged women on the street. used anyone to live with. Tried to rape a transgender then threatened them. He writes it openly an does not see he was the rapist. He preyed on the transg. to live with so he did not want to live in this roach place. He then tries to force his hands down on them for sex. They refuse. billy gets mad then threats them. crazy!
@@lluewhyn who th would flirt with him?
Billy Corgan is just lashing out because he's mad. Mad that he'll never look as cool bald as Yul Brynner.
Bangkok, Oriental setting
And the city don't know that the city is getting
The creme de la creme of the chess world
In a show with everything but Yul Brynner
I love him. I can understand how someone as tremendously smart and talented as Billy might behave the way he does
…and it's not an excuse for any of the bad things he may have done.
There, I finished that sentence for you. Hate this idea that having so called "genius" is something that should let people get away with treating people badly. He’s likely done good and bad, like any of the rest of us.
@@cjaquilinoRight? Im so confused why this viewpoint is so widely accepted
@@delilahsimmons1842 Right? And I didn’t even touch on how “genius” itself is a mythology and it’s usually a label disproportionately applied to only certain men.
The Smashing Pumpkins, made some seriously memorable songs that will last the test of time.
That's what really matters to mankind.
I don't know Billy Corgan personally, so I cannot state what he's like personally other than what I've seen since I was a teenager in high school (44 now....) Many great artists are eccentric and can come off as rude, but fact is there is always another side of the story and context which quotes from people that have had negative run ins with him doesn't really tell the whole story. I'm just thankful for the music he's made over the years.
Nah he's a wank
I think he had a pretty messed up childhood
Same age as u. Have you heard their recent release " Beguiled"? 🤘🤘
Low key, this post is a cope.
You can't have this many negative accounts from regular people, bandmates, and fellow rockstars, including outright feuds with people and just chalk it up to "there are two sides of the story".
Corgan probably *isn't* the bad guy in every dispute, but especially *given the history of his own freakin' band* at the minimum, he's conflict-prone.
@@cjaquilino Personally I just care about the music. I don't waste much on the drama or psychoanalysis. Also coping is something everyone does every day. Gonna have to pick another buzzword.
If one spends more time criticizing the artist than the work there is something amiss. Like get outside & touch some grass. Low key, you're someone with very little life experience.
I saw the Toadies Rubberneck tour (with the hardest working band in the biz, The Reverend Horton Heat). They played a few new songs, then it was the whole Rubberneck album. Fantastic! I wish all bands would do anniversary tours. Especially TOOL
Possum Kingdom is S tier for me
@@ashleybrown4754 Possum Kingdom is objectively S tier.
100% agree.....YOU LISTENING TOOL?!?!?.......Come to OZ! ❤❤❤
I saw that too, for Rev. It was a great show
The list of his grievances could fill 100 of these videos, an endless well, and he remembers them all like it was yesterday. He’s a brilliant songwriter and musician but a bitter, bitter man
I've had the pleasure of meeting Billy a few times through the years and he is a really nice guy.
I'm not the biggest Corgan fan but wtf is wrong with posing with cats? It humanizes him more.
He got along good with Eddie Van Halen.... Even recorded a couple albums at the 5150 studio ... But Ed's one of the hardest guys in music to get along with when he was here ... So thats probably why! Lol
Eddie probably liked Billy because Billy is lo-key an insane guitarist. Eddie probably got stunned by some Corgan shredding behind the scenes and decided this guys alright. I am not a Pumpkins fanatic, but I did once meet Corgan in a vintage guitar store in Las Vegas and got to talk to him a little bit. He was awesome to me in that moment, but I could see that ego-twinkle in his eye.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ed decided to randomly Billy for someone to talk to like he did with a few other people.
I was a HUGE fan and finally met Billy, and he was very mean and cruel to me... He actually deeply hurt my feelings and I have been regretful about it for decades honestly. He made me feel like a worm.
He and John Cusack went to the same school of douchebaggery. Trust me, it's not you, it's how he is. He always has been.
Sounds like Corgan is not politic and just too honest for his own good. But he doesn't sound like a hateful guy. Doesn't sound like the kind of guy who'd say sweet things to the press to make himself look better, then passive aggressively try to destroy those he doesn't like.
Eddie Vedder's Prune Jam😅😂🤣😭
Looking fwd to seeing these guys next month with Janes Addiction in Adelaide. Surprised this video isn’t longer 😂
We knew him in Chicago. He's always been crotchety. He's was an old, grouchy man in his teens! lol But he was creative af. I haven't seen him in 35 years!
Always loved their music. Some great memories when I listen to it.
What a great comment. Real helpful
@@sewerface agree
Sounds like poop
Billy Corgan calling Soundgarden a 90s tribute band is the pot calling the kettle black.
Dude..it's probably all about jealousy due to vocal talent lol....Chris had a range and power like few others and just conventionally unbelievably talented ...I love Billy's voice but it's always up for debate- either love it or hate it, it's not conventionally "good" lol. Billy's songwriting is where it's at though..
I don't see how you could cover the Soundgarden/Corgan feud without mentioning Spin magazine's April 1994 cover story on Soundgarden, in which Kim Thayil and Billy Corgan get pretty pissy with each other. Choice quote: "You hurt me deeply in my heart."
Billy Corgan needs his own category in the DSM.
Fuck yeah! Cats and furniture!🎉 Makes me appreciate both Billy and Anderson for paying attention more!
I wasn't aware of an artist or musician that ever liked Billy Corgan
This was quite interesting. I've liked Billy since I was a kid, but with the caveat of "Billy's an asshole"
Honestly, seeing all of these beefs explained only gives me more respect for him. He can be biting with his words, but he seems to choose them carefully. A real dude
The only musicians that don't make at least some enemies in the industry are pushovers. It is VERY difficult to navigate that industry with integrity and commitment to ones art and not ruffle feathers. There are exceptions, but they're few and far between.
I absolutely ADORE The Smashing Pumpkins (especially the original lineup obviously) but yeah...he's a trip lol..but damn he's such a good songwriter...his love songs are some of the BEST...some grunge fans hate his voice....I love it...unique and beautiful.
Of course that grunge fans hate his voice when grunge bands had god like singers.
have u actually turned up the volume knob tho...
1994 Lollapalooza. I was really looking forward to seeing Smashing Pumpkins. I really enjoyed the studio work done on Gish and Siamese Dream. Not sure if it was Billy, the band, or the sound crew, but most of the crowd tuned out after the second song. Nothing sounded good. What was produced in the studio was hard to imagine that was who was on stage that night. Billy started yelling at the crowd. "FU." "If you haven't noticed, we are the number one band in the world." The crowd went from disinterested, to booing the band off the stage. It got so crazy. The crowd wouldn't let up after Billy fueled the fire with slurs of how horrible the audience was. Billy and the band walked off the stage. Ten minutes later the band came back to play a few more songs and call it a night. I felt bad for them. Some nights things just aren't going right. Rising to the top at that fast of a pace can take a toll. Billy and Chamberlin hardly spoke to each other. Depression, alcohol, drugs; none of that really helps that much. It just lets time go by without a flinch.
I had the exact experience. Billy was up there whining and it was pathetic.
Wow... that's definitely a 'moment' in pop/rock history. And (sadly) sorry to hear. But... we're all human, after all... 🙃
I feel like billy is not that great of a singer and it affects live shows, although his voice has improved.
@@arlenem.6469 his voice has become borderline unbearable for me after Machina. He has never been a good singer, but in the early days he absolutely compensated for that being a fantastic performer. Now it's all just mid-energy, emotionless routine singalong to my ears. And waaaaay too up front in the mix. Obviously because he is doing his own mixing ...
@stotlestotle1092--💀..You make good sense..🥀🪱
It would be cool if he did a concert with Ricky scaggs and Julio Iglesias where they sang each others songs
All those haters didn't stop him from smashing Jessica Simpson back when she was sooo fuking sexy. Probably one of his biggest accomplishments in my opinion and that's no slight of his song writing.
A few years back Corgan was in Pittsburgh I assume for a show. At the same time I attended our local VegFest and he was also there. There was a few pics of him chowing down on some avocado pudding I believe. I found it incredibly hilarious as he seems to take himself so seriously all the time like he’s some kind of mythical creature or something.
LMFAO
Vegfest sounds awful
@@jjdillon1207 vegfest is great. Billy Corgan is not.
Avacado pudding 🤮
@@toddinthemiddle it’s better than cow pus pudding.