I would like to find just one reviewer who runs these tests on the boring stuff that most people do most of the time. We are not all content creators. How about running a mix of Office applications such as importing and manipulating large data sets in Excel, and say browsing and keeping 20 tabs open, and see how long the two last against each other? Everybreviewer want to show us Lightroom and Games, and I don’t do either. I’d just like a windows machine that performs well vs an Air in these mundane daily work tasks.
Not to be rude but what you're asking for can be done by my tablet, or a 5 year old laptop. I suppose it could be interesting in terms of battery life but for that you already have the other comparisons
@@Quicksilver-7791 yes fair enough point. These things are not hard for any pc to do although large data sets can slow one down if its RAM is insufficient. My point really boils down to whether these ARM machines are going to be true all day devices. No lugging the charger to work. Something I don’t need with my Mac M2.
Your comment about battery is misleading. Apple purposely shows little battery drain at the beginning (ex: the 1% battery drain from 100% to 99%) but drains battery much faster later on to give the illusion of a better battery life. The surface shows a more equal battery drain, which is why you may think it performs worse on battery. In order to test these both equally, you must drain them to 0%.
But that's just checking one percent of battery. For a real test you need to compare the TDP(total power draw) of the laptops for a specific workload. The Snapdragon X Elite doesn't even come close to the efficiency of Macbook Air M1 let alone the M3. So yeah windows laptops have a long way ahead to give similar performance at similar efficiency.
Been running the Lenovo Slim 7x for 5 days now, no regrets. It's a pleasure, gorgeous HDR OLED screen, lightweight and no fan noise with minimal heat. Basically checks all the boxes I care about. Supports all my dev workload applications (.NET/Node/Python/Docker). For gaming I just use Moonlight, I've owned 7 ultrabooks, 0 of them for gaming. Never made sense to try to game on an ultrabook because you then make sacrifices to height, weight and battery life, then what's the point. I've probably got 4-5 applications that are non native, but all run fine under emulation. Just fyi Qualcomm just released new beta GPU drivers that improves speed and compatibility for games and video rendering and general performance.
@@ErykDantegood display, dual fans and good cooling solution, great keyboards, the design is very sleek and lightweight and still comfortable with tapered edges, Lenovo support is world class (at least for business) and very sensible configurations and prices, especially for the 32 gig config.
@@ErykDante The OLED screen is gorgeous. Well priced. Keyboard on Yoga Slim was praised. There was also a cheap 32GB upgrade option, which I bought. A possible negative (not for me) compared to other Snapdragon Elite options is no HDMI, SD Card or USB-A ports. I don't use any of those things and if I really need it I could get that functionality via a dongle. Actually I'm currently using a USB-C 2.5 gigabit ethernet adapter with USB-C power passthrough so I don't even give up a port when plugged into power.
My Surface Laptop 7 with SD X Plus/512GB arrived the other day. Man it's good. As smooth as the M1 Air (haven't used M2/M3). Seems to me unless you Game or Video Edit (Adobe apps coming soon, DaVinci Resolve is in Beta) or use Google Drive these are now for everyone. Significant improvement over any Intel laptop I've used.
Transitioned from a Lenovo Legion 5 Pro to a Macbook Pro 16” M1 Max last month, and holy smokes the difference is night and day - I don’t game so the M1 Max is perfect for me. Battery life is 1000% better and so is fan nose (absolutely nonexistent on the Mac). Only thing is it took me a couple weeks to get used to the Mac quirks but once I did, I can say I was very happy with my purchase
Yeah same , i am borrowing a friends m1 mac pro,i love the mini(just in the m1 model) and 4k screen, how well is build, no fan noise and the batery last ages, its just so good that am searching for the windows laptop equivalent lmaoo
it’s not that they can’t. it’s a design decision. that notch design on their older iphones and newer macbooks is iconic and synonymous to apple whether people think it looks dumb or not. unlike the iphones, however, there’s no excuse for it existing on Macbooks because on the iPhone it was used for the camera and FaceID modules-but it exists on the Macbooks as functionless space and it’s a annoying but it also isn’t a dealbreaker. just one of those apple-isms.
@@b_a_hoonigan4127 Apple always purposely not give everything all at once so they can justify and extend their presentation when revealing their product.
@@b_a_hoonigan4127 Ifkr. They CAN but they WONT. They're literally releasing features very late that could be deployed on the same iPhones when they're released. Cash grab FR.
I have been a Macbook user for some time... From time to time i have tried different Windows laptops but always ended returning those... However this time things seems to be different. Finally Windows laptop which is fast, silent, great build quality, beatiful screen (Windows hello + no notch).. So actually just sold my M3 Air and i'm going to keep Surface Laptop. All the critical apps that i'm using are ARM native (Unity (beta), Visual Studio, Office, Affinity, Spotify, Slack etc.. ). Only little disapointment is GPU performance BUT this is not for gaming anyway... Good job Microsoft.
@@mikko.kartano unfortunately these snapdragon chips aren’t silent nor are they cool. Why on god’s green earth would you buy a windows 11 machine. Windows 11 is more bloated and slower than bloody vista.
@@roccociccone597 My Surface Laptop is dead silent when i'm using it.. But yes, if i play games then fans kick in and you can hear those. Windows 11 on this machine is blazing fast, not single complaint. After few years i finally have option to get rid of Apple ecosystem and have a freedom of choice
I'd love to buy a Surface Lpatop or so many reasons. The touchscreen, the move to ARM, the 3:2 aspect ratio with a 120hz refresh rate, WiFi 7, etc. However, i cannot trust Microsoft to truly support the transition to ARM, nor do I trust them to make an experience that iis as cohesive as Apple's offering.
Well, buy the Surface Pro 9 or Surface Laptop 6 and you'll be fully satisfied. It'll run everything single program and game that's available unlike Apple or any ARM based computer. Problem solved.
As cohesive as apples? Like paying $200 for a ram upgrade? Or having to spill over into your ssd for ram? Or the batteries that last 6 months? Complain about windows but apple cohesive? lol their pro models barely perform better than the base model they charge you hundreds of dollars for ram and storage.
I just bought a M3 MBA 15" and it's my first Mac, I would've loved to have waited to get a X-Elite surface laptop but I'm not keen on the early adoption problems that come with first generation devices, and for the same price I could have gotten a 16GB/512GB X-Elite, instead of my 8GB/512GB MBA which I wouldn't mind... that and the amount of paid software you need to have a good experience on Macs is insane, I still might get a X-Elite Surface just for something to play with sometimes, although its GPU performance gives me second thoughts, not that I do GPU intensive tasks but it's unusual for them to match and exceed apple silicon but be so far behind in the GPU, I've not doubt the next iteration will be better, but with apples event coming up and the M4 coming to the MBP and maybe even M4 PRO/MAX/ULTRA I think the X-Elites extra performance in multi-score is about to be taken, I get a feeling snapdragon will always be behind Apple.
how so? There are plenty of free utilities to help address some of the Mac's shortcomings in window management, for example. You may need to keep looking for the free options. And even the paid options are quite affordable, most under $10 USD
@@asrp4284 I got it because I'm basically just using it like an iPad, so I don't need power-user multitasking levels of Ram so I couldn't justify the extra cost for Ram but I was able to justify getting extra storage, that and I have a top spec Desktop windows computer, so I'm never going to use this for intense tasks. this is for being present in the room with my partner and kids instead of sat at my desk.
@@grizfan93 there are free utilities, but a majority of decent software costs money, like bartender, middle click apps...etc. there may be free versions but they definitely involve a sketchier install and won't receive the same level of updating. and I never said they aren't affordable, but £2.99 here, £6.99 here, £25 here add up quickly.
This is probably the most balanced and impartial review that I've seen comparing these 2. In this Gen-AI era, I'd love to see a comparison of Ollama running on both machines, using the same models and prompts, for example: llama3:7b with a prompt about summarizing a text, and listing the main takeaways from the text. It could be done using: ollama run llama3:7b --verbose. On the photo editing side of things, I use ON1 Photo Raw and I've contacted them about an Arm optimized version for Windows - in short: it's not in their plans at the moment.
Appreciate your real world insights into ARM performance within the Microsoft world. As someone who is a business user of web applications, email, and Office apps, it seems that both Apple and MS platforms are more than adequate to the tasks at hand. Most of computational "heft" that I require lies in cloud based applications delivered through the browser. Thus, I am inclined to focus on keyboard, screen, and overall build quality as criteria for a replacement to my travel notebook (Surface Pro 6), Do you agree or am I missing something?
I just don't think Widows running ARM will be very popular until they support descrete GPUs and game developers start making AAA game titles for it. Gaming is what really has pushed the PC advances in the last 20 years or so. Most Windows users aren't going to want to buy an expensive Windows laptop that has terrible GPU performance.
Thanks Kyle, this is nice. I think it would also be interesting to see performance differences of windows 11 running virtually on Mac M3 Air vs Windows running natively on Surface.
It's crazy; I sometimes forget I'm not watching a multi-million sub tech channel when watching this one. There are only a few channels whose videos I watch immediately, LTT, Snazzy Labs, Marques of course, Dave Lee, Jarrod's Tech, Matt Moniz, Mrwhosetheboss, Max Tech, Just Josh (another smallish but growing channel), and this one (I also think Mark Linsangan, whose channel is also small, is outstanding). That really says something about the quality of videos you produce, KE. Keep up the great work man. I'll be with you as your channel grows and grows. I just hope you're not pulled out of youtube for some high paying creative job somewhere. I know you will have that option...it's just that selfishly I hope you stay or at least keep producing content here. Have a great night man.
Good video. Blender & DiVinci runs like crap on these ARM based Microsoft laptops. They'll need some firmware and software updates to fix those issues. At the end of the day, it appears that in single core test the Surface loses, and in multi core test the Surface wins. The future looks good for these ARM based laptops.
@@williamcopeland2617 you know how many times I’ve heard: oh it just released give it time, when it comes to Windows on ARM? This argument was used in 2012 with the Surface RT. Literally nothing changed other than a couple more pieces of software having native ports. And besides ARM isn’t a magic bullet that’ll make all your problems go away. People think that purely moving from X86 to ARM will drastically change the user experience and fix issues like short sleep times due to how bad Windows handles sleep.
@@roccociccone597 I take it that you are completely unaware on how Devs have to recompile their apps to run on ARM. Switching over to ARM biggest advantage is having much better battery life. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. Now INTEL & AMD will always be more powerful because at the end of the day absolutely nothing beats pure raw wattage. And if you think app updates along with firmware updates do not make a difference, simply tell me how ignorant you are computers.
I had a couple of Surface products back when they first released and was impressed with their build quality. I've transitioned to the Apple ecosystem since then but if I hadn't the new Surface laptop would be a compelling option. Once they work the bugs out. Thanks for the honest comparison.
I wish reviewers would say the Davinci Resolve ARM version they're using is in Beta and it's also silly to be comparing it to the MacOS version which isn't.
Great review from a quality perspective. As far as technical content is concerned, I don't think it is fair to compare video rendering, 3D capability, etc. Snapdragon is simply not for that (this year). The same applies to emulated comparisons (however that was more unbiased). Thank you! :)
Still waiting for my Surface Laptop 7 to be delivered, but my use case is the Phi-Silica model and the NPU, wherein I can optimize Hugging Face LLMs for that NPU and run them locally on the machine. That, and Microsoft's new SDK for making inferences from your own code. Don't care about games or video editing, it's all Copilot all the time for me, that and Visual Studio/Visual Studio Code.
At this point, I think Windows is part of the issue when it comes to power consumption and efficiency. It would be interesting to see how an unattended, debloated install of Windows would do in these heavy load benchmarks.
If being "58% faster" than the baseline product of a competitor also means having tons of app compatability issues and half the graphical capability, then it's not exactly the flex that Qualcomm and Microsoft think it is
Qualcomm/Microsoft needs to optimize their processors and os to where the Qualcomm Plus processor can compete or beat the M3/M4 base processor. Having the Qualcomm Elite processor barely competing with the M3 base processor while Apple has several faster processors shows that Qualcomm/Microsoft has a long way to go.
I was trying to figure out why node build is so slow, it looks like you're building it on an NTFS partition, which seems to be very slow (like 5x slower than native) with WSL 2. Could you move the build to the ext4 partition WSL2 uses and see how that improves things?
Apple's battery percentage is a total scam. It goes down super slow until it hits like 35-40%, and then it just drops like crazy. So, when you see Windows laptops losing battery fast, it's because their battery percentage decreases at a steady rate. But on a MacBook, it's like super slow at first and then speeds up later. I've seen a bunch of battery tests, and the Elite lasts way longer. And it's not just MacBooks, all Apple devices do this. Even my iPad does the same thing.
Rofl.. so you are complainig about based on benchmarks.. so you are not even clever enough to see the pattern, all battery tests are about the same, first they do the regular things, and when a lot of the tested devuces are already died, they start an intense task just to accelerate the battety drain.. this is why the last 30-40% is drained faster.. because it working harder like with watching a static webpage etc.. 😂
How about total battery life when running a specific tasks then? Run any program that can run on both at their max performance setting check which performs better, the Mac will last twice as long. I know they kinda scam the battery percentage drain rate, but overall battery life is clearly better even in the M1 Macbook compared to the Surface 7.
Nice ! Good to see my new M3 isn't getting stomped on. I'm new to mac and had just switched about 6 months ago because of the silence.. full performance on battery and great battery life.. I was so surprised after 25 years of compromising with windows laptops. And I use parallels/Windows 11 and nearly everything works with what I use. I probably am using windows on my mac 80 percent of the time. I'd say the only thing that would be nice to have is the faster refresh touchscreen.. not that big of a deal though.
Could you do some more testing in terms of video playback? In particular, I've noticed that Dolby Vision content makes the Surface Laptop 7th Edition become quite unresponsive, at least when playing back Netflix in Edge. Frames will start dropping if anything other than watching the video is performed while it's playing. (HDR has to be on in the Display settings; it's off by default.) I'm curious if MacBooks have similar issues.
node is native on arm in windows so the problems were with the various libraries? I hope they are early bugs because these Linux arm machines will become interesting for developers
I'm excited for the improvements from past windows laptops. I have applications required for doing my job that only work on Windows, so I'm excited to see these improvements. Looks like it's not quite as good as I was hoping, but it does seem like a number of areas where it doesn't quite beat the MacBook, are things that I don't think with affect me too much. I've heard from multiple people that they thought MacBooks had the best touchpad around, but now that the Surface Laptop 7 is out, they actually like it more. I'm not holding my breath, but hoping more apps with support ARM quickly. Apple has an obvious advantage there.
Would still get a Mac over the surface any day and I was a windows user for over 20 years what changed was windows 11 very unstable and not to the performance I really wanted the MacBook Air gave me a stable OS and the best battery life yes you will pay for it but I think it still over preforms in my view.
Good news is, Davinci Resolve for Windows ARM is in development right now, and I'd bet they'll have it done by the time the full release of 19 drops, if not just after. My hope is: Flood of Windows ARM laptops with juicy OLED screens drop early next year.
And you still watching CZcams videos in 2024, which is limited to 60fps? 😂 Do you know that if the content only provide 60 different frames in every sec, you only need to refresh the clscreen 60 times in each sec right? (And that is exactly the 60Hz..) Because a few manufacturer want to raise their price, and put the more expensive parts inside, it's doesn't mean you need it.. you only miss the more frames once you started to use it, similar to drogs, if you never tried, you are not missing it.. and just for the more frames while you arw scrolling it's a joke.. until the contents are still limited to 60fps, the 60Hz is still fine.. (and even Google laughing on you, they sellig you the 120Hz displays for 7 years, but still limiting the CZcams content to 60fps..)
Steve Jobs would have fired who ever came up with the notch on the MacBook Air. The problem with the Surface laptop is that not all software will run on it. I know that there is emulation to make some software work on the Surface Laptop, but, it's not as good as Rosetta in my opinion.
I do really like magnesium or aluminium bodies for laptops. I really never will understand this weird Magsafe connector over dual-use, versatile an compact USB-C ports.
i bought the Asus first but it had a few hardware issue's so i changed it for the Lenovo yoga with 1 tb hdd and 32 gig of ram and its awesome for everyday use however i still have my macbook pro max 2
Sir which laptop would you recommend to a person who has never used mac but is open to experimenting End use is basic - internet browsing, word excel and powerpoint On a daily basis
MacOS leaning curve ain't steep and if you're familiar with Windows 10/11 you'll see some similarity in the UI. Given your stated needs I'd say get the MBA M3 8/256 config which is on sale at BB for $849. I lean Windows cuz have some app needs but I think you'd be hard pressed to do better for your needs at that price for a M3 MBA.
"the notch some people might hate but i never notice anymore" translates to Yeah apple has done this horrible thing but we have come to accept and eat it. I came to notice influencers even when criticizing Apple stay on the positive side and when criticizing Ms, much more unforgiving when the latter has a much more complex OS that has to target a lot of users and apps. Apple is tasked with maintaining one OS and 1 type of machine for it. This is a big step for MS, and they have to get all manufacturers and devs on board equally. We should not pick sides when it comes to corpotates. The qualcomm dev kit hasnt even released yet, and hobestly they should have delayed these machines.
I wonder how responsive Windows on ARM is compared to a low-powered AMD or Intel system. Because with multiple high-res external monitors and many programs open, Windows 11 gets less and less responsive over time: you see some delays when opening file explorer windows, or even when navigating between windows using the task view (Win + Tab). This behavior might be different on ARM systems depending on how well Windows is optimized for ARM.
Purchased my 14” M1 MP and it’s such a great computer but watching this video in search of a different computer outside of Apple’s ecosystem that could be comparable but the more I search the more I find that Apple truly is very hard to beat, running on battery that is
The Surface will use more battery when using software that isn't optimized for the surface. which is basically every app you tested here in your video. When the apps are fully optimized the performance will be better across the board. I believe it was basically mentioned by app developers like adobe that they are working on arm base versions. So these early test are not true evaluations of these devices. But aye i guess you have to put something out. I have the surface pro 11 and no there isn't anything holding me back. I cloud game so games not being optimized yet doesn't bother me.
pretty much nothing really worked when m1 came out on macos other than apple 1st party software so the program incompatibility will more or less be improved with time just like it did for mac. If you wanna try rendering video natively on arm, they try with capcut.
False clicks while scrolling seems to be a recurring theme in reviews for this model. Hopefully thats something they can fix with a firmware update for the trackpad
@KyleErickson maybe I missed it but did you cover modern sleep? one thing I hated about windows laptops is how they suck at sleeping. like my macbook just handles sleep perfectly, I don't have to guess if its sleep or not but when I had a surface laptop it was super annoying to find it dying in my backpack overheating. Hopefully they fixed this
Concerned the ARM laptops may not reach critical mass in the market - we’ve seen this before - but this time they need it to compete with Apple. Apple has the lead here. I think WiFi 7 will be more important - I’m getting 2 Gbs service soon and will switch to 7 at that time and WiFi 7 routers are coming down in price with one already at $300.
You've built Nodejs on Windows in the /mnt/c/Users directory. That's not a native filesystem for WSL. No wonder it took so long. You should have built in the /home/your-user directory instead.
I'm gonna stick with my MacBook Air. I can game without any issues through Geforce Now, and the hardware and software are great. Might consider going back to a Windows laptop when there's actually a MacBook Air killer - like a windows laptop without a fan.
fyi handbrake encoding of same video, a 90 minutes movie, Surface Laptop 7 took about 25 minutes Macbook Pro M3X 14" took 2 minutes . Handbrake for ARM on both computers, no emulations
ngl i doubt this was made for the professionals tbh. like yeah they might have showcased professional workflows but only professional people watch these keynotes and events so maybe thats why. this machine sounds fantastic for someone like my parents who only care about using a browser and maybe document and excel sorta thing. but anything serious and i guess a X86 pc or a macbook, looks like the best way. for now
Yutubers always test video editing tools because they are all editors. So their experiences may vastly differ from general users. Suppose if an architect is youtuber he would only show architect apps alongside video editing tools on his video because he have to edit videos to upload on CZcams. So i think there's always missing of full story on CZcams laptop reviews.
We have to see both allocation in Maine applications to understand the power, but in my opinion, I think that m3 is stronger and more powerful than surface
It's strange that the usual rules do not apply for Macs versus Snapdragon Windows. Macbooks will be better at gaming and have more native apps. It is close in performance in CPU apps, though, depending on your pro-app usage. However, efficiency on intensive tasks is significantly better on Macs, and on casual PC use, they are close. The GPU is subpar, but hopefully, drivers will close the enormous gap. But then, if you factor in that, we could get an MB Pro 14 M3 Pro for around $300 more than the Surface Laptop ARM, which not only easily beats the Surface on most performance tasks but also is a better laptop (speakers, miniLED, ports, etc) with no downsides now for compatibility, you have to ask yourself why you would choose the Surface Laptop other than a bias for Windows even if it is not nearly as good? The natural monopoly of Windows due to Stockholm Syndrom-like consumer and business mindset really surprises me. It is rough to judge the X Elite on Gen 1 as it is clearly lacking in too many regards. Gen 2 will be the make-or-break, assuming the M4, Intel, and AMD do not stretch too far clear in the coming months.
And even the $300 extra on Mac is not a wasted money, since you get yearly free major OS updates (which cost extra money on Windows, because that is a new named version..), also the Mac keep the price better, so when you buy a new one later, you get back more (just check the 4 years old M1 price, it's still 70% of the original price, so you can sell your old Mac on about 60% price, which means you only spent $400 on the $999 M1 Macbook at the end in the past 4 years..)
@@expert8665 That blows my mind, it feels like it's moving. My brother, who thinks he knows thing or 2 about computers told me the same thing then HE started to wonder and went back to check when I told him I didn't believe him.
Unfortunately, the Surface runs Windows, so it’s bond by the limitations of such platform, such as the very poor updates Microsoft has been doing to Windows since 2014. Speaking of which, how *bound* is WoA in terms of customisation? You can change the msstyle theme, and install customisability apps (e.g. ExplorerPatcher) to make stuff on Windows at least bearable to use?
Watching the video on my mac air 15 m2, this laptop does not seem tempting at all, but yeah patiently waiting for lunar lake for versatile use case, but my mac has always been the best productivity machine.
I think these arm chips are overhyped, look at the price, its already like luxury product on 1st generation. What's the point? This arm tech is not accessible to mass currently at this price. I would prefer x86 still at this stage.
That's why, if you shoot first, you shoot twice. Doing excelent in the first try like apple and 4 years later would be difficult to get the same polish, I hope would be soon but apple it's years ahead (literally).
No it can't. And the M3 Macbook Air can't beat the CoPilot +. Why? One is OSX and the other is Windows. I think these comparisons are getting really old. If you need Windows or OSX, then the other one isn't an alternative. I you prefer the UX of one over the other, then the other isn't an alternative. Which means that for the user the comparison is almost irrelevant.
The launch seems to be rushed. M1 launch was much better executed in typical Apple style, M1, while older, was a lot more up-to-date cosnidering the time and the competition. The CPU on the SD X is basically top tier while the GPU is so further behind that it is actually worse than their SD 8 series. the SD 8 has things like RT while the SD X doesn't even have that. The GPU performance is very similar to M1/M2 GPUs which is not great considering the age. M3 offers much better GPU performance while being very close in CPU performance. M4 has similar CPU performance and much, much better GPU performance than the SD X. Edit: There are sources that claim hadrware-accelerated RT exists on the SD X Elite SoC. So the explanation to why it performs poorly might be because they used an older version of their ray tracing GPUs from the SD 8 series.
all though the amd arm cpu i think will have even better gpu performance than the other arm chipslike intel and snapdragon and this one perfroms better in geekbench by the results
That's not true. There were so many programs that did not work when the M1 released brotha. Come on now! You are aware that the GPU in the Surface Laptop is a 3.8tf GPU, right? Devs have to start utilizing it and optimizing their apps for it.
@@williamcopeland2617 There were but the emulation software worked better. Not to mention that the SD X is a chip, designed to work in ultrabooks which are primarily used for regular workloads and productivity work. The encoders and decoders in the M1 are far superior in the SD X. I'm not aware in what workload is the SD X GPU rated at 3.8 Ttflops. The performance is about the same as in the non-binned M1 chip which has 4-year-old GPU inside. Not exactly impressive.
@@chrism869 Well, we have to see how would that play out. It is still early days. Qualcomm has excellent GPUs! The Adreno architecture came a long long way. Seeing how bad the GPU inside the SD X is very underwhelming. The good thing is that we know for fact that the GPU was rushed. It lacks features like RT which Qualcomm had for 2 generations inside their SD 8 series chips for smartphones.
Although non-Apple hardware is becoming more advanced than previous versions, the PROBLEM is still the same for me, and the name is MICROSOFT FUCKING WINDOWS!!!
I cant believe they released the snapdragon elites without support from adobe and really abysmal davinci beta support. I guess i gotta learn mac because these windows laptops are toasters.
I would like to find just one reviewer who runs these tests on the boring stuff that most people do most of the time. We are not all content creators. How about running a mix of Office applications such as importing and manipulating large data sets in Excel, and say browsing and keeping 20 tabs open, and see how long the two last against each other? Everybreviewer want to show us Lightroom and Games, and I don’t do either. I’d just like a windows machine that performs well vs an Air in these mundane daily work tasks.
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100 tabs. Let's keep it real.
girl if u do the most basic shit why do u even have to worry about which is better clearly you have a bias too so just go with that 😂
Not to be rude but what you're asking for can be done by my tablet, or a 5 year old laptop. I suppose it could be interesting in terms of battery life but for that you already have the other comparisons
@@Quicksilver-7791 yes fair enough point. These things are not hard for any pc to do although large data sets can slow one down if its RAM is insufficient. My point really boils down to whether these ARM machines are going to be true all day devices. No lugging the charger to work. Something I don’t need with my Mac M2.
Your comment about battery is misleading. Apple purposely shows little battery drain at the beginning (ex: the 1% battery drain from 100% to 99%) but drains battery much faster later on to give the illusion of a better battery life. The surface shows a more equal battery drain, which is why you may think it performs worse on battery. In order to test these both equally, you must drain them to 0%.
But that's just checking one percent of battery. For a real test you need to compare the TDP(total power draw) of the laptops for a specific workload. The Snapdragon X Elite doesn't even come close to the efficiency of Macbook Air M1 let alone the M3. So yeah windows laptops have a long way ahead to give similar performance at similar efficiency.
Been running the Lenovo Slim 7x for 5 days now, no regrets. It's a pleasure, gorgeous HDR OLED screen, lightweight and no fan noise with minimal heat. Basically checks all the boxes I care about.
Supports all my dev workload applications (.NET/Node/Python/Docker).
For gaming I just use Moonlight, I've owned 7 ultrabooks, 0 of them for gaming. Never made sense to try to game on an ultrabook because you then make sacrifices to height, weight and battery life, then what's the point.
I've probably got 4-5 applications that are non native, but all run fine under emulation.
Just fyi Qualcomm just released new beta GPU drivers that improves speed and compatibility for games and video rendering and general performance.
Just curious: Why was Lenovo the best option for you out of the other brands? Is it because of OLED?
Nothing against Lenovo, it's a good brand.
How do you update the drivers ?
@@ErykDantegood display, dual fans and good cooling solution, great keyboards, the design is very sleek and lightweight and still comfortable with tapered edges, Lenovo support is world class (at least for business) and very sensible configurations and prices, especially for the 32 gig config.
The surface pro oled PWM flicking just killed my eyes... This screen is not designed for long time working. I just returned and took the LCD version.
@@ErykDante The OLED screen is gorgeous. Well priced. Keyboard on Yoga Slim was praised. There was also a cheap 32GB upgrade option, which I bought.
A possible negative (not for me) compared to other Snapdragon Elite options is no HDMI, SD Card or USB-A ports. I don't use any of those things and if I really need it I could get that functionality via a dongle.
Actually I'm currently using a USB-C 2.5 gigabit ethernet adapter with USB-C power passthrough so I don't even give up a port when plugged into power.
My Surface Laptop 7 with SD X Plus/512GB arrived the other day. Man it's good. As smooth as the M1 Air (haven't used M2/M3). Seems to me unless you Game or Video Edit (Adobe apps coming soon, DaVinci Resolve is in Beta) or use Google Drive these are now for everyone. Significant improvement over any Intel laptop I've used.
Hey, thinking about getting the same! Why does Google drive not work yet?
@@droetkaarYeah what's up with that
Transitioned from a Lenovo Legion 5 Pro to a Macbook Pro 16” M1 Max last month, and holy smokes the difference is night and day - I don’t game so the M1 Max is perfect for me. Battery life is 1000% better and so is fan nose (absolutely nonexistent on the Mac). Only thing is it took me a couple weeks to get used to the Mac quirks but once I did, I can say I was very happy with my purchase
Yeah same , i am borrowing a friends m1 mac pro,i love the mini(just in the m1 model) and 4k screen, how well is build, no fan noise and the batery last ages, its just so good that am searching for the windows laptop equivalent lmaoo
I dont get it if surface can fit a 1080p web cam without a notch in that similar sized bezel,why cant apple do the same?
it’s not that they can’t. it’s a design decision. that notch design on their older iphones and newer macbooks is iconic and synonymous to apple whether people think it looks dumb or not. unlike the iphones, however, there’s no excuse for it existing on Macbooks because on the iPhone it was used for the camera and FaceID modules-but it exists on the Macbooks as functionless space and it’s a annoying but it also isn’t a dealbreaker. just one of those apple-isms.
How will they justify the next 3 years worth of “innovation “ if they do it all at once?
😂😂😂@@b_a_hoonigan4127
@@b_a_hoonigan4127 Apple always purposely not give everything all at once so they can justify and extend their presentation when revealing their product.
@@b_a_hoonigan4127 Ifkr. They CAN but they WONT. They're literally releasing features very late that could be deployed on the same iPhones when they're released. Cash grab FR.
I have been a Macbook user for some time... From time to time i have tried different Windows laptops but always ended returning those... However this time things seems to be different. Finally Windows laptop which is fast, silent, great build quality, beatiful screen (Windows hello + no notch).. So actually just sold my M3 Air and i'm going to keep Surface Laptop. All the critical apps that i'm using are ARM native (Unity (beta), Visual Studio, Office, Affinity, Spotify, Slack etc.. ). Only little disapointment is GPU performance BUT this is not for gaming anyway... Good job Microsoft.
@@mikko.kartano unfortunately these snapdragon chips aren’t silent nor are they cool. Why on god’s green earth would you buy a windows 11 machine. Windows 11 is more bloated and slower than bloody vista.
@@roccociccone597 My Surface Laptop is dead silent when i'm using it.. But yes, if i play games then fans kick in and you can hear those. Windows 11 on this machine is blazing fast, not single complaint. After few years i finally have option to get rid of Apple ecosystem and have a freedom of choice
@@roccociccone597 Why on god’s green earth would you buy a windows 11 machine? Apple derangement syndrome.
I'd love to buy a Surface Lpatop or so many reasons. The touchscreen, the move to ARM, the 3:2 aspect ratio with a 120hz refresh rate, WiFi 7, etc. However, i cannot trust Microsoft to truly support the transition to ARM, nor do I trust them to make an experience that iis as cohesive as Apple's offering.
Well, buy the Surface Pro 9 or Surface Laptop 6 and you'll be fully satisfied. It'll run everything single program and game that's available unlike Apple or any ARM based computer. Problem solved.
Same, I am gonna wait at least 1 year to see if the software's I use get supported on windows ARM, other than that, these laptops look awesome.
And upgradeable SSD
@@williamcopeland2617no, battery is short
As cohesive as apples? Like paying $200 for a ram upgrade? Or having to spill over into your ssd for ram? Or the batteries that last 6 months? Complain about windows but apple cohesive? lol their pro models barely perform better than the base model they charge you hundreds of dollars for ram and storage.
First time watching a video of yours. Nice video! Watched it from start to finish, very clear and enjoyable to watch.
I just bought a M3 MBA 15" and it's my first Mac, I would've loved to have waited to get a X-Elite surface laptop but I'm not keen on the early adoption problems that come with first generation devices, and for the same price I could have gotten a 16GB/512GB X-Elite, instead of my 8GB/512GB MBA which I wouldn't mind... that and the amount of paid software you need to have a good experience on Macs is insane, I still might get a X-Elite Surface just for something to play with sometimes, although its GPU performance gives me second thoughts, not that I do GPU intensive tasks but it's unusual for them to match and exceed apple silicon but be so far behind in the GPU, I've not doubt the next iteration will be better, but with apples event coming up and the M4 coming to the MBP and maybe even M4 PRO/MAX/ULTRA I think the X-Elites extra performance in multi-score is about to be taken, I get a feeling snapdragon will always be behind Apple.
Just wondering why you ended up getting the laptop with only 8gb unified memory
how so? There are plenty of free utilities to help address some of the Mac's shortcomings in window management, for example. You may need to keep looking for the free options. And even the paid options are quite affordable, most under $10 USD
I suggest that you neither spend more on laptops nor obsess about comparative performance benchmarks. Enjoy your new computer. Live your life.
@@asrp4284 I got it because I'm basically just using it like an iPad, so I don't need power-user multitasking levels of Ram so I couldn't justify the extra cost for Ram but I was able to justify getting extra storage, that and I have a top spec Desktop windows computer, so I'm never going to use this for intense tasks. this is for being present in the room with my partner and kids instead of sat at my desk.
@@grizfan93 there are free utilities, but a majority of decent software costs money, like bartender, middle click apps...etc. there may be free versions but they definitely involve a sketchier install and won't receive the same level of updating. and I never said they aren't affordable, but £2.99 here, £6.99 here, £25 here add up quickly.
This is probably the most balanced and impartial review that I've seen comparing these 2. In this Gen-AI era, I'd love to see a comparison of Ollama running on both machines, using the same models and prompts, for example: llama3:7b with a prompt about summarizing a text, and listing the main takeaways from the text. It could be done using: ollama run llama3:7b --verbose. On the photo editing side of things, I use ON1 Photo Raw and I've contacted them about an Arm optimized version for Windows - in short: it's not in their plans at the moment.
Appreciate your real world insights into ARM performance within the Microsoft world. As someone who is a business user of web applications, email, and Office apps, it seems that both Apple and MS platforms are more than adequate to the tasks at hand. Most of computational "heft" that I require lies in cloud based applications delivered through the browser. Thus, I am inclined to focus on keyboard, screen, and overall build quality as criteria for a replacement to my travel notebook (Surface Pro 6), Do you agree or am I missing something?
the ARM subsystem on windows needs serious work.. the emulator needs to be more efficent
They just need more native arm apps
I just don't think Widows running ARM will be very popular until they support descrete GPUs and game developers start making AAA game titles for it. Gaming is what really has pushed the PC advances in the last 20 years or so. Most Windows users aren't going to want to buy an expensive Windows laptop that has terrible GPU performance.
Thanks Kyle, this is nice. I think it would also be interesting to see performance differences of windows 11 running virtually on Mac M3 Air vs Windows running natively on Surface.
It's crazy; I sometimes forget I'm not watching a multi-million sub tech channel when watching this one. There are only a few channels whose videos I watch immediately, LTT, Snazzy Labs, Marques of course, Dave Lee, Jarrod's Tech, Matt Moniz, Mrwhosetheboss, Max Tech, Just Josh (another smallish but growing channel), and this one (I also think Mark Linsangan, whose channel is also small, is outstanding). That really says something about the quality of videos you produce, KE. Keep up the great work man. I'll be with you as your channel grows and grows. I just hope you're not pulled out of youtube for some high paying creative job somewhere. I know you will have that option...it's just that selfishly I hope you stay or at least keep producing content here. Have a great night man.
Good video. Blender & DiVinci runs like crap on these ARM based Microsoft laptops. They'll need some firmware and software updates to fix those issues. At the end of the day, it appears that in single core test the Surface loses, and in multi core test the Surface wins. The future looks good for these ARM based laptops.
very this.. i needs serious work.. windows needs to take this more seriously
@@Kevynmorgan It just released brotha, give it some time.
@@williamcopeland2617 you know how many times I’ve heard: oh it just released give it time, when it comes to Windows on ARM? This argument was used in 2012 with the Surface RT. Literally nothing changed other than a couple more pieces of software having native ports. And besides ARM isn’t a magic bullet that’ll make all your problems go away. People think that purely moving from X86 to ARM will drastically change the user experience and fix issues like short sleep times due to how bad Windows handles sleep.
@@roccociccone597 I take it that you are completely unaware on how Devs have to recompile their apps to run on ARM. Switching over to ARM biggest advantage is having much better battery life. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. Now INTEL & AMD will always be more powerful because at the end of the day absolutely nothing beats pure raw wattage. And if you think app updates along with firmware updates do not make a difference, simply tell me how ignorant you are computers.
All I need is Linux with working HW acceleration on the new chip.
I had a couple of Surface products back when they first released and was impressed with their build quality. I've transitioned to the Apple ecosystem since then but if I hadn't the new Surface laptop would be a compelling option. Once they work the bugs out. Thanks for the honest comparison.
I wish reviewers would say the Davinci Resolve ARM version they're using is in Beta and it's also silly to be comparing it to the MacOS version which isn't.
Great review from a quality perspective. As far as technical content is concerned, I don't think it is fair to compare video rendering, 3D capability, etc. Snapdragon is simply not for that (this year). The same applies to emulated comparisons (however that was more unbiased). Thank you! :)
Yeah video editing, thats only 1% usecase
Still waiting for my Surface Laptop 7 to be delivered, but my use case is the Phi-Silica model and the NPU, wherein I can optimize Hugging Face LLMs for that NPU and run them locally on the machine. That, and Microsoft's new SDK for making inferences from your own code. Don't care about games or video editing, it's all Copilot all the time for me, that and Visual Studio/Visual Studio Code.
Is it good for coding?
At this point, I think Windows is part of the issue when it comes to power consumption and efficiency. It would be interesting to see how an unattended, debloated install of Windows would do in these heavy load benchmarks.
If being "58% faster" than the baseline product of a competitor also means having tons of app compatability issues and half the graphical capability, then it's not exactly the flex that Qualcomm and Microsoft think it is
Qualcomm/Microsoft needs to optimize their processors and os to where the Qualcomm Plus processor can compete or beat the M3/M4 base processor. Having the Qualcomm Elite processor barely competing with the M3 base processor while Apple has several faster processors shows that Qualcomm/Microsoft has a long way to go.
It’s always a pleasant experience to watch someone who’s patient and not cringing, thanks for the video:)
I was trying to figure out why node build is so slow, it looks like you're building it on an NTFS partition, which seems to be very slow (like 5x slower than native) with WSL 2. Could you move the build to the ext4 partition WSL2 uses and see how that improves things?
Exactly. I would like to know how is the performance in the WSL file system and then we could compare the two systems.
Apple's battery percentage is a total scam. It goes down super slow until it hits like 35-40%, and then it just drops like crazy. So, when you see Windows laptops losing battery fast, it's because their battery percentage decreases at a steady rate. But on a MacBook, it's like super slow at first and then speeds up later. I've seen a bunch of battery tests, and the Elite lasts way longer. And it's not just MacBooks, all Apple devices do this. Even my iPad does the same thing.
I could edit photos in Lightroom on M2 Air for nearly an hour before it dropped from 100% to 99%. This doesn't bother me, but skews comparisons.
Rofl.. so you are complainig about based on benchmarks.. so you are not even clever enough to see the pattern, all battery tests are about the same, first they do the regular things, and when a lot of the tested devuces are already died, they start an intense task just to accelerate the battety drain.. this is why the last 30-40% is drained faster.. because it working harder like with watching a static webpage etc.. 😂
How about total battery life when running a specific tasks then? Run any program that can run on both at their max performance setting check which performs better, the Mac will last twice as long. I know they kinda scam the battery percentage drain rate, but overall battery life is clearly better even in the M1 Macbook compared to the Surface 7.
Nice ! Good to see my new M3 isn't getting stomped on. I'm new to mac and had just switched about 6 months ago because of the silence.. full performance on battery and great battery life.. I was so surprised after 25 years of compromising with windows laptops. And I use parallels/Windows 11 and nearly everything works with what I use. I probably am using windows on my mac 80 percent of the time. I'd say the only thing that would be nice to have is the faster refresh touchscreen.. not that big of a deal though.
Great review! Thx!
Could you do some more testing in terms of video playback? In particular, I've noticed that Dolby Vision content makes the Surface Laptop 7th Edition become quite unresponsive, at least when playing back Netflix in Edge. Frames will start dropping if anything other than watching the video is performed while it's playing. (HDR has to be on in the Display settings; it's off by default.) I'm curious if MacBooks have similar issues.
node is native on arm in windows so the problems were with the various libraries? I hope they are early bugs because these Linux arm machines will become interesting for developers
I'm excited for the improvements from past windows laptops. I have applications required for doing my job that only work on Windows, so I'm excited to see these improvements. Looks like it's not quite as good as I was hoping, but it does seem like a number of areas where it doesn't quite beat the MacBook, are things that I don't think with affect me too much. I've heard from multiple people that they thought MacBooks had the best touchpad around, but now that the Surface Laptop 7 is out, they actually like it more. I'm not holding my breath, but hoping more apps with support ARM quickly. Apple has an obvious advantage there.
Amazing content as always..
Thanks kyle.
Great ❤ I'm really impressed by the way you explain everything in detail. That's why I have subscribed your channel. Huge respect for you 💖💖
Would still get a Mac over the surface any day and I was a windows user for over 20 years what changed was windows 11 very unstable and not to the performance I really wanted the MacBook Air gave me a stable OS and the best battery life yes you will pay for it but I think it still over preforms in my view.
Good news is, Davinci Resolve for Windows ARM is in development right now, and I'd bet they'll have it done by the time the full release of 19 drops, if not just after.
My hope is: Flood of Windows ARM laptops with juicy OLED screens drop early next year.
Wait, MacBook Air has a 60 hz screen?? 1200+ dollar device in 2024 with 60hz? Come on, man 🤦♂️
There are a few Windows machines with 60Hz, including X Elite. They target battery life.
We see high refresh rate more on gaming laptops. But they should include them more in the normal laptops, just like this Surface.
And you still watching CZcams videos in 2024, which is limited to 60fps? 😂 Do you know that if the content only provide 60 different frames in every sec, you only need to refresh the clscreen 60 times in each sec right? (And that is exactly the 60Hz..) Because a few manufacturer want to raise their price, and put the more expensive parts inside, it's doesn't mean you need it.. you only miss the more frames once you started to use it, similar to drogs, if you never tried, you are not missing it.. and just for the more frames while you arw scrolling it's a joke.. until the contents are still limited to 60fps, the 60Hz is still fine.. (and even Google laughing on you, they sellig you the 120Hz displays for 7 years, but still limiting the CZcams content to 60fps..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4stonce you use 120-165hz, you never wanna go back. Sadly
I noticed you use Fusion360. Can you share how is it with the Emulation Layer?
I want these wallpapersss..
Steve Jobs would have fired who ever came up with the notch on the MacBook Air. The problem with the Surface laptop is that not all software will run on it. I know that there is emulation to make some software work on the Surface Laptop, but, it's not as good as Rosetta in my opinion.
I do really like magnesium or aluminium bodies for laptops. I really never will understand this weird Magsafe connector over dual-use, versatile an compact USB-C ports.
i bought the Asus first but it had a few hardware issue's so i changed it for the Lenovo yoga with 1 tb hdd and 32 gig of ram and its awesome for everyday use however i still have my macbook pro max 2
Where did you the 32gb Lenovo? Doesnt seem to available on the website in the US
Sir which laptop would you recommend to a person who has never used mac but is open to experimenting
End use is basic - internet browsing, word excel and powerpoint On a daily basis
MacOS leaning curve ain't steep and if you're familiar with Windows 10/11 you'll see some similarity in the UI. Given your stated needs I'd say get the MBA M3 8/256 config which is on sale at BB for $849. I lean Windows cuz have some app needs but I think you'd be hard pressed to do better for your needs at that price for a M3 MBA.
@@anthonycruciani939 thank you for the response; much appreciated
Nice review thx
Pretty impressive since this is the year snapdragon, and windows are pushing ARM. I am still gonna wait 1 year before I dive into windows ARM.
Came acroos ur youtube channel looking for a monitor!!! as a cs student i love your content!!!!
"the notch some people might hate but i never notice anymore" translates to Yeah apple has done this horrible thing but we have come to accept and eat it. I came to notice influencers even when criticizing Apple stay on the positive side and when criticizing Ms, much more unforgiving when the latter has a much more complex OS that has to target a lot of users and apps. Apple is tasked with maintaining one OS and 1 type of machine for it. This is a big step for MS, and they have to get all manufacturers and devs on board equally. We should not pick sides when it comes to corpotates. The qualcomm dev kit hasnt even released yet, and hobestly they should have delayed these machines.
I wonder how responsive Windows on ARM is compared to a low-powered AMD or Intel system. Because with multiple high-res external monitors and many programs open, Windows 11 gets less and less responsive over time: you see some delays when opening file explorer windows, or even when navigating between windows using the task view (Win + Tab). This behavior might be different on ARM systems depending on how well Windows is optimized for ARM.
Purchased my 14” M1 MP and it’s such a great computer but watching this video in search of a different computer outside of Apple’s ecosystem that could be comparable but the more I search the more I find that Apple truly is very hard to beat, running on battery that is
The Surface will use more battery when using software that isn't optimized for the surface. which is basically every app you tested here in your video. When the apps are fully optimized the performance will be better across the board. I believe it was basically mentioned by app developers like adobe that they are working on arm base versions. So these early test are not true evaluations of these devices. But aye i guess you have to put something out. I have the surface pro 11 and no there isn't anything holding me back. I cloud game so games not being optimized yet doesn't bother me.
Wish they would've made an oled screen version of the laptop.
pretty much nothing really worked when m1 came out on macos other than apple 1st party software so the program incompatibility will more or less be improved with time just like it did for mac.
If you wanna try rendering video natively on arm, they try with capcut.
Kyle, have you tried to use any of these laptops to edit photos in Lr on a 4K monitor? Is development mode smooth at such resolution?
False clicks while scrolling seems to be a recurring theme in reviews for this model. Hopefully thats something they can fix with a firmware update for the trackpad
@KyleErickson maybe I missed it but did you cover modern sleep? one thing I hated about windows laptops is how they suck at sleeping. like my macbook just handles sleep perfectly, I don't have to guess if its sleep or not but when I had a surface laptop it was super annoying to find it dying in my backpack overheating.
Hopefully they fixed this
its much better, yes
Which one would would you recommend for a software developer ?
Did u find out or not yet?😅
Not yet 😭
What is the opening range of it? Is it flexible to 180⁰?
Concerned the ARM laptops may not reach critical mass in the market - we’ve seen this before - but this time they need it to compete with Apple. Apple has the lead here. I think WiFi 7 will be more important - I’m getting 2 Gbs service soon and will switch to 7 at that time and WiFi 7 routers are coming down in price with one already at $300.
What are the wallpapers?
Do you have a similar comparison for Qualcom vs Intel Core Ultra?
I want a Surface Laptop Go with that Qualcomm chip. 12 inch is the best size for me
Davinci Resolve 19 with Windows On ARM support dropped.
You've built Nodejs on Windows in the /mnt/c/Users directory. That's not a native filesystem for WSL. No wonder it took so long. You should have built in the /home/your-user directory instead.
I'm gonna stick with my MacBook Air. I can game without any issues through Geforce Now, and the hardware and software are great. Might consider going back to a Windows laptop when there's actually a MacBook Air killer - like a windows laptop without a fan.
fyi handbrake encoding of same video, a 90 minutes movie, Surface Laptop 7 took about 25 minutes Macbook Pro M3X 14" took 2 minutes . Handbrake for ARM on both computers, no emulations
so, in summary, while showing potential, the Surface is an unfinished product, actually all notebooks with the Snapdragon X Elite ARM CPU.
ngl i doubt this was made for the professionals tbh. like yeah they might have showcased professional workflows but only professional people watch these keynotes and events so maybe thats why.
this machine sounds fantastic for someone like my parents who only care about using a browser and maybe document and excel sorta thing. but anything serious and i guess a X86 pc or a macbook, looks like the best way. for now
As an average user, both are ok for me
Yutubers always test video editing tools because they are all editors. So their experiences may vastly differ from general users. Suppose if an architect is youtuber he would only show architect apps alongside video editing tools on his video because he have to edit videos to upload on CZcams. So i think there's always missing of full story on CZcams laptop reviews.
We have to see both allocation in Maine applications to understand the power, but in my opinion, I think that m3 is stronger and more powerful than surface
Whats the name of the app you sue to see the gpu/ram etc on your Macbook air?
Usually I dont comment but honest review about the product
It's strange that the usual rules do not apply for Macs versus Snapdragon Windows. Macbooks will be better at gaming and have more native apps. It is close in performance in CPU apps, though, depending on your pro-app usage. However, efficiency on intensive tasks is significantly better on Macs, and on casual PC use, they are close. The GPU is subpar, but hopefully, drivers will close the enormous gap.
But then, if you factor in that, we could get an MB Pro 14 M3 Pro for around $300 more than the Surface Laptop ARM, which not only easily beats the Surface on most performance tasks but also is a better laptop (speakers, miniLED, ports, etc) with no downsides now for compatibility, you have to ask yourself why you would choose the Surface Laptop other than a bias for Windows even if it is not nearly as good? The natural monopoly of Windows due to Stockholm Syndrom-like consumer and business mindset really surprises me.
It is rough to judge the X Elite on Gen 1 as it is clearly lacking in too many regards. Gen 2 will be the make-or-break, assuming the M4, Intel, and AMD do not stretch too far clear in the coming months.
And even the $300 extra on Mac is not a wasted money, since you get yearly free major OS updates (which cost extra money on Windows, because that is a new named version..), also the Mac keep the price better, so when you buy a new one later, you get back more (just check the 4 years old M1 price, it's still 70% of the original price, so you can sell your old Mac on about 60% price, which means you only spent $400 on the $999 M1 Macbook at the end in the past 4 years..)
2:39 "The Trackpads are both haptic touchpads with no physical movement" are you SURE about that on the macbook's end?
Yea, the track pad doesn't move. It gives feedback via a motor
@@expert8665 That blows my mind, it feels like it's moving. My brother, who thinks he knows thing or 2 about computers told me the same thing then HE started to wonder and went back to check when I told him I didn't believe him.
Unfortunately, the Surface runs Windows, so it’s bond by the limitations of such platform, such as the very poor updates Microsoft has been doing to Windows since 2014. Speaking of which, how *bound* is WoA in terms of customisation? You can change the msstyle theme, and install customisability apps (e.g. ExplorerPatcher) to make stuff on Windows at least bearable to use?
Watching the video on my mac air 15 m2, this laptop does not seem tempting at all, but yeah patiently waiting for lunar lake for versatile use case, but my mac has always been the best productivity machine.
O U T S T A N D I N G R E V I E W ! High-five, man. Thank you!
What is better 14” macbook pro m3 pro or the surface laptop 7
Easy bro macbook
I think these arm chips are overhyped, look at the price, its already like luxury product on 1st generation. What's the point?
This arm tech is not accessible to mass currently at this price. I would prefer x86 still at this stage.
That's why, if you shoot first, you shoot twice.
Doing excelent in the first try like apple and 4 years later would be difficult to get the same polish, I hope would be soon but apple it's years ahead (literally).
I have an idea. Remove Windows and put Linux and try again. Would love to see the difference with actual Linux on Windows with Arm..
Reviews have been so mixed on these snapdragon laptops.
Mac will get free updates up to 6 or 7 years. That only makes Mac the better choice.
Unless someone has no Mac at all.
That notch!
Windows arm is not optimised and there is lack of app development. Buy it after 1 year .
No it can't. And the M3 Macbook Air can't beat the CoPilot +. Why? One is OSX and the other is Windows. I think these comparisons are getting really old. If you need Windows or OSX, then the other one isn't an alternative. I you prefer the UX of one over the other, then the other isn't an alternative. Which means that for the user the comparison is almost irrelevant.
The launch seems to be rushed. M1 launch was much better executed in typical Apple style, M1, while older, was a lot more up-to-date cosnidering the time and the competition. The CPU on the SD X is basically top tier while the GPU is so further behind that it is actually worse than their SD 8 series. the SD 8 has things like RT while the SD X doesn't even have that. The GPU performance is very similar to M1/M2 GPUs which is not great considering the age. M3 offers much better GPU performance while being very close in CPU performance. M4 has similar CPU performance and much, much better GPU performance than the SD X.
Edit: There are sources that claim hadrware-accelerated RT exists on the SD X Elite SoC. So the explanation to why it performs poorly might be because they used an older version of their ray tracing GPUs from the SD 8 series.
all though the amd arm cpu i think will have even better gpu performance than the other arm chipslike intel and snapdragon and this one perfroms better in geekbench by the results
That's not true. There were so many programs that did not work when the M1 released brotha. Come on now! You are aware that the GPU in the Surface Laptop is a 3.8tf GPU, right? Devs have to start utilizing it and optimizing their apps for it.
@@williamcopeland2617 There were but the emulation software worked better. Not to mention that the SD X is a chip, designed to work in ultrabooks which are primarily used for regular workloads and productivity work. The encoders and decoders in the M1 are far superior in the SD X.
I'm not aware in what workload is the SD X GPU rated at 3.8 Ttflops. The performance is about the same as in the non-binned M1 chip which has 4-year-old GPU inside. Not exactly impressive.
@@chrism869 Well, we have to see how would that play out. It is still early days. Qualcomm has excellent GPUs! The Adreno architecture came a long long way. Seeing how bad the GPU inside the SD X is very underwhelming. The good thing is that we know for fact that the GPU was rushed. It lacks features like RT which Qualcomm had for 2 generations inside their SD 8 series chips for smartphones.
The X elite does have hardware RT
How long do these videos take to produce?
at least 40 hours usually for each
Both have great hardware but at the end of the day the software matters.
thank you, i hate that notch. will never buy another macbook as long as it is there.
What a lame reason to boycott an otherwise-best-in-class overall product
design sells right?
Optimization & Support are key points here. Microsoft has a long way to go. Apple Silicon for now.
why not see if ?the new UNIFIED_memory config it's going to be faster,if u need tha maxCPU/GPU for more video encoding is not this year
if only there is non touch screen for surface
Arm for Arm 🗿.
Although non-Apple hardware is becoming more advanced than previous versions, the PROBLEM is still the same for me, and the name is MICROSOFT FUCKING WINDOWS!!!
Doesn’t run half the programs . It’s influencers lying to people
@@woofiooxx neither does the MacBook 💻
@@christianr.5868 if you actually check you’ll know why I said that . Don’t be ignorant kid
@@woofiooxx things will get ironed out on the snapdragon. MacBooks still have compatibility issues. They should be neck and neck relatively soon
@@christianr.5868 I think he meant to say neither of them are good
@@hal5919 depends on what you need really
Lol😂 do a virus test 1 year oater on the surface pro and the air. You can keep your Surface pro, ill keep the M3 Air
To this date there is no real competition with apple’s MacBook, apple has made a beast
With only 2 apps that it can run... 😂
I cant believe they released the snapdragon elites without support from adobe and really abysmal davinci beta support. I guess i gotta learn mac because these windows laptops are toasters.