Thoughts on Demons - Esoteric Saturday
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- This is really an introduction to some of my thoughts on demons.
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What if you used names of God like Parabrahman, Anu, Enki, et al? And substituted things?
Oh yeah, and I also heard that demons were the souls of the Nephilim/Giants- who somehow got trapped without bodies to reincarnate into, and hence they hate humans… They were originally taught Magick, by the Anunnaki - yet we’re also many of us directly the offspring of at least half Anunnaki, so I never understood that, why they’d be giants and we wouldn’t etc. Confusing to say the least unless they’re aspects of elementals and our minds.
Cheers
Ah, you just said the latter.
Hey Foolish Fish. There are a lot of people on CZcams who claim more authority on these subjects than they are qualified to, and I want to acknowledge you for being honest and unassuming. Also thank you for showing all of your cool occult books. You have good taste so thanks for putting up all the content.
Hi @Cullen Page!
What thoughtful, kind words. They go straight to my heart. Appreciative comments like your really make this whole thing worthwhile for me. Best wishes to you!
Foolish fish u r such a sweetheart
Lovely comment.
O I hate so much when people are giving false facts and they do not share that something they are preaching is their opinion. Lol
Indeed Cullen. Things like that can and are extremely dangerous for some people. Such an awful thing to do to people. Unbeknown to them or not, it's extremely irresponsible and childish bollocks. You're spot on there with your words about Foolishfish and the whole way he talks about things here. You're a breath of fresh air, so refreshing to hear people talk like you. Keep Up ALL the good good work, my friend. Nuff Nuff Love Anyways, Ya'll. Loving Your Work, Brother.
Are you based in England, are ya mate??? I know that's an extremely nosey question, I was just curious because of your accent. You sound like someone from down south, well down south to me, somebody who's from literally the middle of England. Good ole Birmingham. Ozzie Osborne's old neck of the woods. Haaaaa!!!! I blame him for almost everyone pronouncing Crowley's name incorrectly. In the autobiography on Crowley goes into how to say the name properly. It seems like it's actually Aleister trying to explain how the correct way to pronounce his name. Crow, like the bird. One of the first books I read about Crowley. John Symonds is the author of that autobiography on Aleister Crowley. Have you read this yourself, mate?
Hahaha best intro ever “this is gonna be a video about demons” way to ease into it
😂 Best to be upfront about these things 🤣
I work with demons regularly and have enjoyed countless blessings. I do not control, command, or enslave them and they, in turn, have no rule over me. In fact, the left hand path is a road to liberty if you can keep your wits and use your trials to focus your will.
What is the danger then? What would be the difference from not using them? Do they get jobs done better faster are they more powerful? Why not work with angels?
@@kageoashj2912 The danger is mainly in the practitioner’s mind, or perhaps more precisely, their shadow. The so-called darker forces will cause dramatic changes in psyche and the sacrifice is often severe but the results can be swift, and undeniably profound and very tangible. I cannot say they are better or more powerful. They are however, most effective for me. The church traumatized me as a child. When I began practicing Ceremonial Magick, I had blockages that never sat well with me, no matter how much work I did to overcome them. I longed for an older, more primitive, more instinctual magick. I found that in Chaos Magick, Norse Magick, and the Infernal path. I suppose the short answer is, I connect with them... kinda like why someone might hang out with certain people over others.
@@deidrajnay4697 oooh I see, very interesting. I might consider when I'm sure I know what I'm doing.
I currently don't know where to start 😅
@@kageoashj2912 I would suggest Peter J. Carroll’s books starting with Liber Null and Psyconaut and S. Connolly’s Complete Book of Demonology... also Weaving Fate by Aidan Watcher. Those books can serve to open the gate to create your own pantheon as well as give you the techniques required to build a daily ritual practice. Learn all you can about a specific entity, their sigil and Enns. Belial and Lucifer seem particularly easy to work with for beginners on the path. Become familiar with the mythology of entities that seem to resonate with your personality, either because they are very similar to you or because they are very different and possess traits you wish to acquire.
@@shereehi5539 I spent the first portion of my life surrounded by Christianity and my experience with it made Hell seem rather inviting.
It shows your temperament and centeredness when you said “If you don’t like my opinion…(short pause and laugh)…then maybe you should go and enjoy your own opinion.” That’s beautiful and such a correct way to dissolve the illusion of conflict. The fact others do not agree with you is not screamingly painful to you and you are leading that centeredness by example, implying that the individual who experiences pain because of differences of viewpoint is in need of some self-care. Very nice. You’re someone I would carefully listen to whether you are talking about wild animals or flowers…
This video made me angry. Angry at myself for not having those books.
There is a nice anthology book that has the testament of Solomon, the lesser key and the Goetia all 3 in one on Amazon.
@@yayoatmeal Thank you for that. I truly appreciate it. I'm ordering that and The Illustrated Secret History of the World that he just reviewed. It looked interesting.
Don't beat yourself up about anything, just change it. In this case...Amazon.
@@Gonzo.S.Thompson I'm already there my friend!!! I'm so glad I found this channel.
@@brandonglassock148 excellent. Me too.
I'm so glad I found your channel 😭 I've been so interested in this kind of stuff since then and kept on trying to find books as such. People find it weird, but not at all for me! Thank you so much for this content.
❤💨
Thanks for sharing.. I’ve worked with countless demons without a circle never any problems. Just be respectful when asking for assistance... tbh a circle will not protect you if they really wanted to hurt you.
I agree with you i work with demons all the time n never used a circle when i do offerings !
What kind of purpose would a person have for summoning a demon? I'm asking seriously. What do demons do?
@@CAdeadman give it a try and you will find out for yourself
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@Broward Boy this sounds like ayahuasca. Can this really be done without hallucinating
exactly even invoking very dangerous ones (at most i would connect to lucifer prior since have rapport with him), i read of one person who did a lot of protection even bindings his life turned to hell after
The light and the dark make their choices to aid and protect - just like us. These forces appreciate fairness and respect - just like all of us. They also harm as they will - just like us. Nicely done video. ThNk you!!!
“Demons may now be as rare as wolves or bears in the streets of a modern metropolis, but they are real nevertheless. The parallel is deliberate, because it emphasizes the fact that both were much more common in the past, and that in the twenty-first century your chances of encountering one is much greater outside of heavy populated urban metropolises. Another that is certain is that these creatures are certainly not ‘parts of the human brain’ as Crowley would have you believe.”
- “The Keys to the Gateway of Magic: Summoning the Solomonic Archangels & Demon Princes” by Stephen Skinner and David Rankine
agree, they are separate, autonomous beings, as the multitude of various beings are...leave it to humans to be so self-absorbed we think everything originates from us
The biggest difficulty of encountering the truly 'super'natural is encountering it. I feel that, even going in with full belief in it, the shock of the reality will physiologically affect a person. Double so for the skeptic when forced into reconciliation.
It's fair to say some law of nature made a barrier between realities. What will your reaction be, if something speaks to you or appears? An unnatural event causes a reaction that must be mastered before any communication beyond terror or fright can occur.
You must be ready for the moment. How could you be worthy otherwise? Lol look at it from a demons perspective, you are unreasonable and terrified, like a bird or a bug when a human wants to be nice to them.
Maybe some get bored, or aren't nice, and think little of you. They could then decide to fuck with you, like a hunter who kills birds, or a kid who squashes bugs. There is danger for the unprepared in all this. If the thing we would call a demon has intent of its own, it could have any personality possible, and virtually capable of anything considering whatever laws dictate its reality. You could have a brainless muck monster with the language of one grunt, or you could have the diabolical genius of some high achievement mephisto. What's your measure? Does it encompass all variables?
One technique I will share that I work on is to be above evil and good while trying this stuff, and be the champion of both. As a human, you are creator and absolutely able to master either side. The knowledge of good and evil is a human curse, whether in belief or allegorically. It is the understanding of good and evil that we don't possess. Step one of trying is to marginalize its encompassing nature by stepping out of its circle. As a human you are infinitely more evil than any demon could be. They aren't creators, we are. Ignore the good and evil bounds .
Why can't I just ask angels to do what I want instead of demons.arent they all powerful. I don't get it,I'm not judging, in fact I completely believe good and evil to be one,so I assume angels and demons are just 2 sides of a coin.
Wouldn't it just be safer,perhaps even boring to have angels do it.thank you.
@@luciuschrist6929 I don't assume anything exists, so I can't define them. However, if you try a little you could encounter 'something', and usually it's what's referred to as a demon.
I suggest not believing anything until you experience something, in general.
According to the story angels have only God's will so I don't think they freelance their intentions.
@@mineduck3050 wow,how succinctly written. Thank you. Perhaps think of creating some content,we really need more of your ilk.
@@luciuschrist6929 Thank you, that's a clean compliment if ive ever seen one. I'm grateful for that.
I have though about it, for instance if you watch my channel, I have gone to a haunted cemetary a few times. In ine video, amd I have time marked when, I captured screams I heard.
They were a real sound, and based on only hearing natural sounds before, it was unnatural, amd you can hear them too.
The place is known for screams. I dont know what it is, but im certain i recorded the event regardless of its source.
Very profound and true. Summoning is structured for very good reasons. None of it matters if you succeed. Your energies must be brought into play.
According to eastern mysticism, if you use a lower spiritual being for fulfilling your needs, eg, success in the world, power over a person, etc... then , at moment of death they will have a hold on your spirt & drag you down with them . Unlike, when one meditates on the positive universal force (as prescribed in eastern religions) , the earthly fulfilment may be slower (although your desires diminish if you’re connecting properly), & the soul ideally merges with the super consciousness light, which is the goal of all humans...
Does one necessarily have to get dragged? Like they cant join hand and walk in gracefully smiling😊
@Joseph LaGreca they say its not for everyone. Personal havent intentionally summoned any daemons...quite a few narcissist tho😂
@Joseph LaGreca awesome just learned something. Thanks
The principle of correspondence may well be the least understood of the hermetic principles.
The key word used in this presentation is >control< and herein lies the seductive correspondence.
You are entirely correct in that there are consequences for our actions and the spiritual death rather than the physical death should be of concern to all.
Interaction with jin/demons whatever you want to call them is clearly explained by Swedenborg of the 18th century ... people should pay close attention to moral spiritual ideals as a way forward ... be very careful what you wish for with these machinations as the correspondences are real and profound though rarely discussed.
@Joseph LaGreca ... u4true ... we live in the learning place where there's always a choice as they say as we skip along between two pathways t/o life. The dialed down petagogies of the metoo self-serving ideals of what's in it for me with associated patterned power/control over others and the less popular one of service to others w/o giving up your own authority where self-improvement is in being better able to help in service to others and life itself in whatever form and to whatever extent that implies to an individual. It's not a popular notion as our world devolves into another state of being though the truth of it all is found somewhere in there.
You have become one of if not my favorite occult educator to watch. Thank You for sharing Your valuable experiences and insight to the world.
Another excellent video...
I have all 4 books... Milo's description is exact and much to my opinion its a very slippery slope if you are not prepared.
This popped up on my feed and made me very happy ...Thank you 😈
That demons of Magick book. Is a great book that really simplifies the goetic operation
I'm just a boy who's intentions are good, oh lord,please don't let me be misunderstood !!!
i do this for the people who walk this path.
"You should really go ahead and enjoy your opinion".. wow what a line.
Recently I've been working with Prince Sitri and this video does a great job of describing the experience. I evoked the "Demon" and he evoked my " demons". However, it's literally changing me into a person that is walking with himself. Maybe the legions controlled by these Spirits are the ones that the Magician hasn't dealt with but you will if you call. My best advice is don't fight to let go of the things that don't serve you, because that is when the process becomes "hell". Good evoking magical people!
How did this demon evoke your demons?
Very well spoken, I appreciate the difficulty of finding that balance between honest and aggressive. As far as discomfort with taboo information goes, I agree this subject like many others is misunderstood which makes it all the more dangerous to remain ignorant about any subject. I have always felt safer and at ease by learning more about topics that are fearful.
The Demiurge is a fascinating story, as well as the "Imp of the Perverse"
Poe Imp of the Perverse
Demi Urge to lust for God into the demagogue by demigod delight of Zeus' bastard sight. Happy fusion day yesterday, meteor destroying rocket's, landing earth to moon. Oh Goodess. 🌞
Your voice makes me relax
My interest in these subjects brought me to this channel and i appreciate you sharing because it's not easy to find people that enjoy the same things. 🙏🏻
Incredible. I will be looking into these books, certainly. I’ve been tapping my Daemons (or aspects, if one prefers) of ADHD and procrastination, fear and selfishness-collaborating with the lesser to achieve the higher for myself. I’ve had mixed success. I enjoy your perspective, your candor and your calm. Cheers.
I started actively recognizing the truth of demons last year after big semester of research in Gnostic myths and esoteric philosophy. Although they are part of my Catholic faith, I really just ignored them and the Magics with which they are associated. Due to my Gnostic studies, the inherent dualities of the world started manifesting before me, and I had a really big psychological collapse because of them. With dualism, is God exists, so too does Satan; angels and then demons. How do we interact with the extremes of mystical dualities? The question led me to Richard Cavendish and eventually to your channel. I really enjoy your videos and this was especially exciting for me!
Ik I’m a year late but try non duel teaching. It’s a more full perspective when paired with dualistic teachings. U can’t have one without he other and to have one makes the other impossible… lol it’s definitely not something for the sleeping mind
@@reyskully7778 I'm even later.. The non dual, v yet singular, is a trilogy of yourself understanding duality. 😇⚔️❤️
There's such as formless light which is above duality ,detached from the stage of play. Azazel helped me to experience it
Christians tend toward the idea of the person of God and forget that everything that exists is within God. Angels, demons, hell, heaven, matter, energy, people, dirt, ... it's all God. The All. The Mind from which everything came.
It's my (very amateur) opinion that, as minds created in the image of God, we are as kings in the realm of spirits, capable of wielding divine authority, and it is this that makes magick work.
That quote is almost the exact opposite of the ideal way to work with demons. Sure you can treat them as contractors and just “hire” them. But to really tap into the amazing and profound depth of their gnosis and character and the alchemy they have to offer you certainly should cultivate a relationship with them. Demonic beings such as the Goetics can be some of the most wonderful and enlightening beings. Granted they hail from the primordial chaos and as such engender harsher alchemical changes and trials. In the end it’s 100% worth it in my opinion.
Most people don't have an astral capacity to be able to withstand the presence long enough to have a conversation which is why it's discouraged. Since you're drawn to astral arts your capacity for it must be high. I'd recommend looking at some more advanced material and that would probably align better with what you've experienced
Well said Leon. CS seems very advanced in this area which he seems to have control of his relationships with various demons. This area is not for me at all but if it were I think foolish fish has given helpful advice. I stopped the video when ff. read the chapter of the book and read the start which is more informative in that a battle is likely to take place with the demon. Xxx
Your last point about you thinking that demons are both inside and outside ourselves is also the way I feel it. And I believe it has its merits. In depth psychology, that's what jungian archetypes are: they exist both in us and independently from us. As Jung himself was a mystic of sorts, I believe we can see there the same idea, made more easily graspable to non-initiates.
I’ve been using Demons of Magick for a bit now. Have tried ritual 2 to evoke Buer and Paimon. I’ve followed the ritual but haven’t had the connective evocation. I had some feelings on the first attempt that felt like the hair on my neck and top of my head was being brushed. Haven’t had much after that.
Gonna keep trying and see if I can get an audible communication.
Awww, paimon, I like paimon, never met paimon but I've heard good things.
Why would anyone conjure up a demon🤔?
Have you done the summoning of 3 women in the grimorium verum?
@@damariowilson2350 better be it to conjure them carefully and cautiously; opposed to ignorance being bliss, and still yet, conjuring them in daily life as well as accidentally dismissing them; or failing to make the request of them to help out on their side a bit with, this or that….
And, as one of the Magis of old would put it; “any worker of Light who sees fit to summon a demon; would only view it so, because they were just as well able to see all the demons and demonic energy running amok on this planet for thousands of years.”
@@My_Alchemical_Romance Once you built rapport even a 1minute mental ritual in bathroom can yield a good result.
10:45 “As above, so below. As within, so without.”
What does this quote mean exactly? Ive seen this quote but not sure what it means.
Natalie V in alchemy it’s said that what is above and below are the same. Heaven and earth are one. For the second half I’ve actually never heard that part. My interpretation would be as heaven is so is earth as we are we are not. The heavens and earth are the same we are everything and nothing all at once.
@@nataliev491 Do you know what fractals are? The smallest part of the fractal is a picture of the whole of it. As above - God- unlimited consciousness, so below - you - individual consciousness. As within - inside you, so without - outside of you. Or when Bible says God created human based on his image - it's not about head, legs, ect. We represent power of unlimited consciousness by being created by it, and being it at the same time. When years ago I experienced ego death, I remember after really not nice feeling of dying, suddenly I felt and saw at the same time, that I'm surrounded by warm unlimited light, full of love, knowledge, harmony. And it felt like I'm floating as a particle on the unlimited ocean of light, realising that I'm one with this ocean. It's really difficult to describe that, since our bodies and mind aren't familiar with that experience. I felt like am part of that ocean, and I am the ocean. I hope that will get some better image of that meaning.
I interpret As within, so without as such:
The deeper you look inside or within the self or any other object of discussion, you will similarity’s that are without of that object. For example, if you observe the system in the brain that relays information, you can see almost identical things within space
i believe that "as above, so below" holds the key to magick. It is the honest way of channeling our will from the higher realms to the physical world, from the divine to the mundane. I also think it teaches us that what we cultivate within ourselves will reflect in our external reality.
I think the statements you've made about mastering the self are accurate and worthy. I also agree that, "Demons", are simply energies, and that this type of magic can be productive if those energies are well regulated with proper will and intent. Conversely those energies can be destructive if used unwisely. But I find that the case with any tool or force. Therefore sober thought and caution are always warranted in these matters. Great video.
Demons are swell, they're great for heavy lifting. I've got Raum sealed to a sifgil in a box in the next room, he's been a good worker for me. I've elevated his spirit for being a good crow. I followed Lon Duquette's protocols, and have also had a few online sessions with him to tweak my operation. Pretty-much the traditional, method, but not so rigidly adhering to all the tarditional details. Lon lives in my town, I hang with him every now and then; very down to Earth, practical and unpretentious. He got he hip to the context of treating them like an employee or a sheepdog. Nothing scary about them, just make sure you treat them as their manager or master.
Are you speaking of manual labor types of work like what Solomon did with building the temple?
Are demons like animals that can sense fear? I can't imagine trying to summon a demon for anything. What happens if you summon a demon and see it and decide not to ask for anything? Will they get mad? Do they come alone or with other spirits?
@@lotuslicciardi5872 No. I believe the story of Solomon to be metaphorical and mythologised. View demons as aspects of your subconscious, and the collective unconscious, that you connect with to cause change in yourself, though the subjective effects spread outward into the objective world, which is the definition of Magick: a subjective experience which manifests change, according to your Will, in the objective world.
@Outo Varis so, what you're saying is that demons are a part of our own conscious and we just aren't aware of it until we invoke it?
@Outo Varis so, if it Is a change within ourselves that we are trying to accomplish then what are the sigils, the chants, the offerings for? Lesser key of Solomon for instance gives examples of demons that are directly associated with certain stars, planets and the courses they follow. Many other forms of magic state this too. Why? Does the cosmos affect events in our lives? Does the cosmos have a conscious? So if it is our will that we are trying to use to shape objective events, is that trying to play God? Why are sigils , crytals, chants, incense and other stuff needed? Sorry for the many questions but I find this fascinating. I've read stories of magicians that were able to fly, become invisible, all sorts of things. We also see these types of stories in Scripture of prophets taken up to heaven in a whirlwind, a firey chariot, etc.
My grandfather said this of Angels and Daemons : "they are the tools left over from creation" does this ring true with anyone? just curious.
Absolutely
I'm surprised how few recommend David Conway's Magic: an Occult Primer. He strongly advises against consorting with demons, though.
Stellar Wind a lot of Occultists/Witches/Magicians along with myself dont think its a smart idea if you’re not experienced or at the very least, if it’s not truly in your heart to go ahead with doing these things. Way too many just jump into it without thinking of what can go wrong, especially if they’re not mentally strong. Not just even in the aspect of demons, just overall perception and how you are as a person can really mess up someone’s life when not being aware of your own psychology.
@@DoYouBelieveX I am one of those people and now am a perpetual hell! I don't know what to do now. But I've lost everything including my mind in some respects.
@@littv7509 Hello, Lit Tv, it's been 8 months since you posted this comment.
How are you currently, going ?
Are you in a better or worse place than you were back then ?
"Working with" ils probably, in my opinion, the best way to see relations with Demons. Not fear them, but not adore. You can grow and learn, and is not going to be easy.
Dear Sir, your book recommendations and thought processes are most valuable!
I really enjoyed Duquette's book on the Thoth deck so it's great that you brought in another of his works here. I'm with you in respect for his work. That subtitle really touches on my wonderings about why people would appeal to any being perceived as outside the self (angels or daemons) rather than seek the solutions within. Thank you for making this video on this topic! 💗
They're NOT outside of your Self, they compose it. They ARE the solutions within, you're the one on the outside in objective consciousness :)
There are things/powers which we should not experiment with unless one is mentally/spiritually prepared to deal with them. These ancient entities are not to be played with. They know more about us than we do about them. They will attempt to leverage our weaknesses to their advantage and will destroy you if you are not prepared. Forewarned is forearmed. 😉
I appreciate that you at least explored this and proposed questions
The LMD “quote” you paraphrased from Low Magick is contained on pages 25 & 26 in the letter that begins “Dear (name withheld)...”
Thanks for this! 😊
I think your a beautiful soul and it makes me very happy to hear your opinion... not many feel like I do... I walk with many demons and they treat most people accordingly... if you have I'll intentions or dirty hands you probably wont like them much... no one should try and force their will on anything ever I'd say that is a trick spell in itself... do unto others as you will have done unto you...
+Foolish Fish Hello, I just found your channel and I'm glad I did. I don't normally bother with internet occultism, but your videos are different. Your videos are interesting and you have a nice, pleasant way about you, in addition to a narrating style that is laid back and easy to listen to. And you manage to have an occult themed channel without coming across as some arrogant know-it-all like so many people in the occult do. You, my friend, are a breath of fresh air. You state early in the video that it's just your opinions, something many occultists don't mention because many are narcissists who need to sound like some all-knowing, expert guru that has all of the only "true" answers. Really tho, opinions, theories, and personal experiences are all anyone can say. I can relate my own personal experiences but the occult is different for everyone, and I believe it's impossible for any living, breathing human to know for sure exactly what demons and angels are. With research, practice, and personal experience we can know a lot of what they aren't and dig into their origins and the origins of their names and what they mean. We can call on them, work with them, interact with them, and get our desired results. I don't think we can truly figure them out tho. Anyway, enjoyed the video and look forward to watching more of your content. Regards ~ Cthulhu
The word demon comes from yhe Greek term "Daemon" which translates to " spirit guide" indeed this role is retained within the Goetia because they are known to guide one to knowledge and are always brutally honest. They may not be for the feint of heart but they sure are useful allies. Good video by the way.🤘👹
Demon: can do anything
Also demon: can't cross circle
Riiight
Which demon(s) make claims of being capable of everything?
Having read both Lon Milo Duquette and Gordon Winterfield strongly seem to disagree with the personality of demons and how we should relate to them.
Winterfield writes that they should not be seen as employees but rather royal guard. The difference being that we give gifts instead of payment because we want and can. He also says that they are not dumb imps and should not be treated as such.
The second ritual in his book is also to build a relationship.
It seems that both have conjured and interacted with the version of demons they sat out and expected to meet.
I agree even though I have no knowledge on the topic, you can't just ask them for favors, there must be a mutual respect
As a solomon, it's my job to be a neutral party between spirits and mortals. Thanks to Crowley, daemon often work for Karma acting as catalyst for people getting what they deserve. You could say they are agents for Schadenfreude. They are wonderful company over tea but I wouldn't approach one without protection of a patron deity, if a daemon starts to take a liking to you then they are terribly annoying. I definitely recognize my experiences are unusual but it's the blessing/curse of being a Solomonari
I really do appreciate your videos, these are fantastic resources in English and that's exactly what I needed.
solomons are tasty
Im new to all of this. What’s is a Solomon in the spiritual occult world ?
@@traderknightzbitcoinuniver8168 a Solomon/Solomonari is a magus(more like exorcist tbh) who has followed the same footsteps as Solomon. I honestly feel more like a therapist than anything since I just deal with a lot of complaining entities about things I have little to no control over at all.
So it's similar to how you get the title of Dr for getting a PhD.
You get the title of Solomon if you successfully walk his steps but don't get corrupted by sin.
That's why his testament is important, it's a "heed my warning about spirits, don't be like me and seek acclaim for this work"
If you ever feel like doing another video on the subject, I agree with your position that demons can be both internal & external & would love to hear more of your thoughts on that~
i just found your channel, and i have to say i really enjoy your videos, i love how you talk and every video ive watched of your has been so incredibly interesting.
Oh, Thank you @Zoe Jane! :D That's very kind, thank you so much for the sub too! Best wishes to you :)
Denis, a few questions if you will. I am, out of pure curiosity, trying to gain some understanding of the occult, and you seem knowledgable! These questions are going to be coming from a rather curious but ultimately secular, atheistic (and currently ignorant) mind, so please go easy on me!
1) Do you believe demons are literal entities?
2) Where ARE demons? Where do they reside?
3) In popular culture, occultism is devil-worship, the antithesis of Christianity. Through my limited research so far, it appears to me more pagan than anything - what is occultism really in relation to Christianity, other mainstream religions, and paganism?
4) Do you believe rituals to summon or commune with demons ‘work’, and how do they?
I have so many questions but don’t want to be overbearing or presume too much. Really appreciate any light you can shed!
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1) Yes. And no. And there's no difference. Not that it MAKES no difference, there actually IS no difference.
2) To quote Lon Milo Duquette, "It's all in your head, you just don't realise how big your head is." The "head" he's talking about isn't the skin-and-bone-covered brain we normally think of as our "head". He's talking about our Mind, within which everything we experience is experienced. Demons included.
3) Until VERY recently (and even nowadays in a vast majority of Western and Middle-Eastern minds), anything that isn't sanctioned by the main religion endorsed by the state is "The Devil". Occultism has MANY strands stemming from many religions. In the West, the main traditions come down from Jewish mysticism, from Norse religion, from Pagan druidism, and what they call "Traditional WItchcraft", or the "Crooked Path", which is essentially raw shamanism without a specific pantheon, but rather a direct approach to whatever spirits are present locally (not to be confused with Wicca, which I wouldn't call occult, though I guess it's a mostly harmless introduction for beginners)
4) Yes, and I think it boils down to giving yourelf permission to notice the entities much more than actual summoning, but that's just me speculating.
I would love to see/hear any updates to your thoughts in this video, given the time passed and the work done. Or maybe there's a video like that already, I'll dive into the Foolish Fish playlists and who knows what I'll find!
Thank you for this information. Invoking demons is not for me but each to its own. The sleasiest Street one could ever imagine is enough to terrify me! Thank you as always. Xxxx
Thank you for keeping an open mind! 😄🙏
What could happens if for any reason I did not protect in the right way and invoke the demon, what things an happens?
same as if you attract a wild animal without knowing anything about it. It would depend on the animal. A squirrel won't do as much damage as a tiger... same with demons. Depends which one. So what COULD happen? anything from insomnia to loosing your job and your house burning down, to suddenly attracting extremely boring friends, to cutting your finger several times in the same week, to getting angry at your partner for reasons you just can't explain, to seeing all your loved ones suddenly die of whatever disease and so on. Or it could be something as inoffensive as waking up at the same time in the middle of the night for a while.
Ultimately there are a huge range of different demons, some are very powerful, some less, some are friendly (sometimes that can be a problem too), some are extremely ferral and dangerous. Don't "call them" if you don't feel like you fully understand what you're doing and would feel confident that you would know how to deal with the specific demon you've called if things went wrong. It's definitely not a party trick.
As someone who walks the middle path of the tree of life and death, i do have some advice for beginner ceremonial magickians or any who dont know. Working on improving the psychic and astral senses are incredibly important if you are going to be working with spirits , Angels and the Demonic, however moreso the demonic. if you cant hear a spirit , how do you know what it wants , or what it would like to say or speak to you about. Spirits are people to, treat them how you wish to be treated ;We people of this earth , are spirits too. Anyone who is getting into doing Ceremonial magick of the Goetia , just know that you're reality is created from within , your deepest part the core of beliefs , if you believe demons are gonna hurt you or kill or steal your soul , theyre gonna be like that,just so you know. All of the constraining and commands and what not i highly recommend not to do that .Dont believe all of the religious Dogma about them ; those lies have been spread because of how much knowledge and power you can obtain through working with them , since the demonic will lift the veil of illusion from your face. and story time , My cousin contacted me once about his friend that had conjured a demon through ceremonial magick ,she summoned one of the Goetic spirits , demanding things |"and being incredibly disrespectful and offensive im sure"| and brought 5 of her friends with her to do the ritual. since then for a couple of years shes would get claw marks on her body whenever someone talked about it. |side note, her 5 friends were eventually killed 1 by 1 initially sometime after the ritual.| I gave her some advice and a task to do in order to make all that tormenting stop, i said "light a candle and call out for the spirit, say sorry for whatever you did and im sure the spirit will forgive you" Ever since then the issue was concluded and peace was once again about. so sometimes all it takes is an apology.
and as far as magickal practitioners out in the world , alot are fake , and there is alot of misinformation out there. be Skeptical.
to learn more about demons , i recommend a video called Secrets of the demonic hierarchy by EA Koetting , he is a real black magickian . i recommend that video to any practitioner really.
I couldn't agree more! Especially about being able to communicate. Everytime I've ran into trouble working with demons it's because I made a deal without getting the full details, either through my inability or later through my laziness.
Treat them like a business associate. Be confident, but not rude, and get all the info before agreeing to anything.
When working with ones psychic/astral senses would you recommend any specific meditation or practice I hear that a lot but people tend to get vague when discussing the how part. I'm relatively new in the art of magic but have been meditating for years.
I’m a middle pather and I totally agree . Also Richard Bruce would be a good study.
Don't you think since he's gone thru his possession he looks like he's on drugs or something. Not good
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May all sentient beings be liberated from suffering and from the causes of suffering.🕉☮️☮️☮️
Hey guys! I evoked 3 incubi/succubi demons for a ritual and felt them in my body. I would say it's pretty safe as long as you are not scared, you speak out the terms and conditions before and cleanse yourself and your space before doing the practice. And educate yourself about which demon you're summoning.
I like how your voice is more hushed and cautious due to the subject matter.
Great video Demons Of Magick is a great one 💯
A lot of love and respect coming from Nigeria. Found this channel about a month ago, you really put things in sight. All magic is voodoo in my place.
I've been searching for a while and seeing this video on demons gives me the hope to ask if you know anything about self exorcism please? The internet hasn't been very helpful on this at all. I've searched for months.
Greetings from Argentina, for self Exorcism The Headless One rite or The Bornless Ritual (Liber Samekh) or The Abramelin for conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel are different versions of a Self Exorcism to contact your Divinity.
This blows my mind. After the video, I looked up Demons of Magick and read reviews for at least 15 minutes, and they were acknowledgement after acknowledgement. I bought it. Lol.
I have some questions. 1) Why do the spirits do what we ask? Are they wired to be pleasers, to experience some kind of satisfaction or contentment? Is it a simple barter of favor for favor?
2) Can one spirit bind and cast out another spirit?
Thank you for any thoughts.
So, I have answers for my first question as I read. In the natural order of life, we are as kings to them, and , "Although it is often assumed that demons resent working for us, they are eager for their existence to have a purpose." At this point, I have the impression that this kind of magick lends itself well to natural leaders and should probably be avoided by the meek.
Edit: At this early stage for me, I think demon magic is like the physical tool that we call a firearm. It can be used in service of any goal, productive or destructive. It's dangerous enough to require a safety switch and to learn safe handling. It's a serious and heavy responsibility that not everyone wants or can measure up to.
More content in answer to my first question: The practitioner joins himself to God in the opening, and thus commands the demon with the Creator's authority. Then the magician's will is infused into the demon. "I now see the destruction in flame as a moment of alchemy, where the paper becomes heat, flame, and ash, and your will is combined with that of the demon, to change reality in accordance with your desire. The future you have chosen is inevitable."
Update. I hesitated to begin for a few months, and began when I felt certainty that I had the blessing of the All. That plus the GoM approach gave me the confidence to act without fear. Later, I learned the importance of not asking, but using calm, commanding presence, as a good king would. I had only one instance, a few nights ago, of something attempting to disturb my sleep. Even in the dream I felt no fear, and after several awakenings I realized it was more than an ordinary bad dream, so I did the archangel protection that begins the ritual, and then slept like a baby. I don't think it was a Goetia demon. I think it was just some opportunistic piss-ant that snuck in after an earlier ritual.
I have since bought a half dozen more GoM books, of various types.
Thanks FF. You got me started in my occult journey. When the Wealth Magick kicks in I will remember you.
Orias has been doing well for me. Thank you, Orias.
Question: How to know what kinds of demons are a part of you?
I am also a foolish fish with a great love for books and wisdom. It must have a reason to just have found your channel. It started with your comment about a book of C G Jung.
I like your approach.🌹
Excellent content again, of course Demons can be internal and or external, remember the double slit and the duality of light photons. One or another is rare in nature
Why can't angels do what the demons would do for us,or are they basically the same thing. This is my new favourite channel.
Brilliantly synchronized timing of this,
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I am a thestic satanist and demonoltar demons are my Gods i love , revence and respect them aswell as Lord Satan , just one thing satanists and demonlotars we do not use the circle in the same way as ignorant ppl did back in the 13 or 14th centry we use the circle as an elemtal circle not protective as we have our own relationships with the demons and satan which is based on trust, love and respect the tranigle we would use a focal power point for the demon to enter not to command or constrain the demon in any way ( as they way more powerful then we are in any case) but thanks for your video .
Don't fear demons, fear people who fear demons.
I fear people who use demons as an excuse for their own misdeeds.
Thank you for an interesting introduction into demonology, it certainly did raise questions like why had I never heard of that fourth book, duh. And I think myself a collector of rare and occult books, maybe I’ve spent too long with my nose in ancient books.
Hahahah omg this man is awesome. I think he's hilarious, its just how he says stuff just so blunt haha, but it's very good! .. "it claims to protect u with the circle and little triangle." Haha
Based on my own personal accounts and what was said in this video, I no longer believe that high or low magick have any distinctive characteristics. Invoking demons by definition should be high magick.
Thank you for your wonderful reviews and knowledge!
My thing is, what's so important to have in this world that I need to work with a demon to get it? Why can't someone just get it themselves? Also, 98% of people can't even seem to work well with other humans so what the hell makes them think they can work with something on another realm of existence? Lol. And people can barely get rid of roaches and stalkers but think they can get rid of a rogue demon. Nah. I'm good. But do you.
Using a demon to "get stuff" might not be the best idea...
Acknowledging that demons are real, and getting the way they affect your life in order by putting their energies to constructive use rather than to the default destructive use? I'd say that's essential work.
@@FoolishFishBooks Yes I just watched the other video in which you expanded on that part right after commenting on this one and agreed 100% with that point you made. That is important life work. But the excerpt you read about the man trying to get Mary to like him is pretty much what most people these days will be trying to do with these beings. As for using their energies, wouldn't that just be having self-discipline? Taming the beast inside essentially? A person could simply do a water fast or withhold themselves from worldly pleasures or habits for that. I don't think someone has to do a ritual for that, or invoke or evoke a demon. But maybe I'm not seeing the full scope of it.
You say "withhold themselves from worldly pleasures" as if that were the most straightforward thing in the world... Ritual can be thought of as a way of _enabling_ exactly that. It's the process, not the aim ;) .
Also, "taming the beast inside" is exactly what we're talking about, except that you approach it one "beast element" (demon) at a time, in an organised, methodical way.
Finally, take a moment to re-listen to that Mary story which is ultimately a cautionary tale to people who would use demons in this way. And there are plenty who do, I don't disagree! :)
You're already working with demons but you don't know it. Demons are protons, angels are electrons. Lol
@@marilynlucas5128 you are unequivocally incorrect in your assessment. Skinner is more of a authoritative source on this subject and makes the perspective you are putting forth, at best sophomoric. Sorry.
I enjoy the constant company and casual conversation, but I don't recommend someone invoking unless you're willing to have them around . But they're a nice lasting relationship.
That's not a joke btw.
I saw a demon on ayahuasca... It tried to scared me but i just asked it what its purpose was and it ran away 🤦♂️
What exactly made you think it was a demon?
It was a mother bear
It was an hallucination as thats what ayhuasca is an hallucinogenic
I am so glad you brought up that you thought some of these demons can be internal. I feel most magicians forget that. Ive been doing kundalini since 31 and i am almost 38. Im not one to work with external entities angelic or demonic. I like working on myself, that being the planets and the astrological signs corralating to the self. Right now i am working or understanding my own qliphothic side of my soul self. Its quite fascinating yet scary at times. Thsnks for the great video.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment! :) Best wishes to you!
@@FoolishFishBooks thanks. Its been one hell of a ride. Im going to the university of oregon to get a bachelors in religious and judaic studies and minoring in anthropology, folklore, and philosphy. Right now im having a relationship with my own soul. Good old kundalini or the rising of the holy spirit is quite fascinating.
@@joelrappaport359 Go ducks!
So who are you and why do your videos keep popping up in my recommendations.
I appreciate you doing this video Denis, particularly as it relates to our previous discussions. I feel that there's so much more to be said and delved into re. this topic...where to start!?
As a random thought, I think that one of the reasons that practitioners have so many divergent opinions on the nature of demons, is that the entities invoked/evoked are not always whom they claim to be. Josephine McCarthy (for one) points out that parasitical entities often waylay the neophyte under the guise of being a higher spirit, and many of these parasites have the requisite powers to fulfil the function/office of the desired 'demon'. This can obviously make things tough for all but the most powerful & experienced magicians.
Lacking a proper 'map' of the what's/where's and power parameters of these beings also makes it a risky undertaking. Can we really comprehend the scope of these entities? Perhaps only a fragment of their true power can bleed into the physical realm, giving us a false sense of who is holding the cards in the deal.
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts if/when you decide to practise Gordon Winterfield's techniques.
All the best.
@@FoolishFishBooks I look forward to it Denis, cheers.
Perhaps a good analogy would be one of a dog. We have tamed wolves around our children and sleeping in our beds. We call them dogs and love them dearly. But without boundaries and a committed, caring and respectful owner they would revert to their wild nature, join a pack and attack the weak among us. Now demons are not dogs and we may not be able to own them, but it seems to me that the basic tenets of this analogy apply. If one is easily led and has wishy-washy boundaries, it is possible to be exploited - just like in the “real” world. If you would rather be coddled and gently coaxed through your life lessons, then demon contact can seem harmful and scary. If you are the type who sees value in tearing off the bandage and examining the wound, then you might be on track. Because a lot of times we get a lesson instead of a Lexus.
Yes, of say you're analogy works well 😊
The thought that demons exist already inside us intuitively links up with my understanding of internal family systems coming from the psychological perspective
Great video
The last quote by Duquette. You should have included THE BOY GOES OFF AND LOSES HIS LEGS. LOLOL FRICKIN DEMONS EHH. ALWAYS UP TO NO GOOD
I think that's implied 😄
Thank you for looking at these three books. Low Magick has been on my reading list. Very useful!
I see the Deamon Pantheon as just that ...like folks enjoy the Arch Angels to fix or help or heal or harm .The one big difference in the Goetic Pantheon is the Xi'an church got a hold of them to corrupt there meanings and talents .I find this group as a lost treasure now starting to be dug up and used again.
Thank you for ur videos. Very informative. Non judgmental. Luv it.
Demon: from the greek daemon,; meaning genius...
They mislead us all. Lol.
Goodluck.
It's a variation of Monad, meaning intelligence or soul. They are one and the same, daemons are US in non-corporeal form. They are the governing intelligences that make up our subconscious. If they are misleading you it's because on a deeper level you commanded them to do so for your own good. We can also be misled by our own misinterpretation of what they're trying to show or tell us :)
John Peni El It’s kind of funny that we still use the word with that meaning. Calling someone “demonios” (δαιμόνιος) in Greece means they’re clever.
@@ShamanicSavant "They are the governing intelligences that make up our [DNA]" sounds better. In other words the genetics of every living being... just a thought.
@Universalis Ted You grossly misinterpreted what I said and what the human subconscious is. I'm not talking about the brain or anything physical. I'm talking about the A.I. that governs every internal function in the human body. We (including you) aren't aware of those functions in objective consciousness, but we know they are there and doing something. That places them in the realm of the subconscious. A good way to understand it is the subconscious is the Human operating system.
The modern computer definition of the word "daemon" sums it up pretty well. "An automated program or script running in the background with no terminal interface" What that means is they are doing their thing automatically with no user input. It also means you don't have access to your own programming from objective consciousness, which in Human terms is a terminal interface. I agree that the word "subconscious" has been both misused and misunderstood but it's what we've got to work with. It DOES work, if you think conceptually and don't try to make it fit something it's not.
It's a lot harder to define what they actually are, even when dealing with them directly. Individually they are living algorithms, but they are also US behind the flesh. They make up our mental body or imagination. What's behind the meat body is the mental body and it is the mental that controls the physical, not the other way around. This means if we want to change anything in our world it has to be done at the mental level. This makes a lot more sense when you realize where all "reality" takes place... in our imagination.
Root access to our own programming can only be achieved by entering a quantum state, a crossing (christ) of our objective and subjective states. You have to be awake and asleep at the same time, alive and dead at the same time. This isn't even possible without their help... remember who is in control. The system is also keyed, and there are different keys to access different subsystems. These keys are musical and the locks are resonance gates. You gain these keys by completing the "objectives" of objective consciousness. This is all designed to prevent unauthorized access by individuals trying to cheat the system.
If you understand any of that, I'd be willing to share more. I'm guessing tho by the flippancy of your reply, that you're only interested in your own point of view :)
@@DivertissementMonas1664 Why do you think it sounds better?
When i was doing all three rituals from Gordon winterfeild for the past two years and im realizing that it feels like a twist on feeding your demons by Lama sutralioni ? When I ask or give my negative feelings a form and add name and ask what it wants and if and how it will help me such it makes me conclude actually maybe the 72 demons may be servitors ??? Of Solomon?
Once I almost accidentally summoned one, I swear out of pure "distraction" (I am not sarcastic) aaaand...I got close enough to it sticking with me. I prayed to be delivered and repented in the name of god and after a hellish week or two of prayers...puff. Gone. I can't imagine the guts it takes to WILLINGLY SUMMON ONE. KUDOS.
The ideas presented here were practiced during the time that Christian Crusaders were spreading conquest.
No circles are required, no threats or coercion to intimidate a spirit is needed. When aggression is used then that’s when spirits will wreck havoc in your personal life and appear to be the things of nightmares.
Demons are just the old gods that Christians classified as evil.
The old Gods guard my home, protect my family and bring me peace.
Read books by S.Connely
As someone just making it through the book of abremelin, very interested in this video. I just love the information and have even been reading about the mystical meanings of hebrew letters and such. I usually gorge myself on knowledge when im interested in a subject whether it be the civil war etc. No plans to perform any rituals.
I'm glad you've found some value here! 😁Are you reading Dehn's or Mathers' translation?
Don't p reform any of the rituals out of the abermelin . please
@@brandoncallaway8835 not realistic for todays pace of day life and not utmost true translation there are better ways to HGA
@@arete7884 any suggestions?
@@erinl5575 frater archers book, GoM HGA , Gom mystical words of power etc
Thanks for sharing I enjoy the occult subjects especially on the topic magic!
in 1987 laying on my bed with a set of reeves munjac horns .my dog caught a big buck it was limping ? .did various things called down a demon .he was huge weighed a huge amount his thoughts were so strong it was as if i was a mere speck of dust .felt as if i was being squashed .a mere thought of his could kill me .he asked of me my desires .i completely panicked i was full of fear he was above my bed for some time then eventaully went.after this a man emitting light like fibre optics in mettalic green holding a mettalic blue cobra came into my room at night and gave me various visions and poems .angels and demons do exist
Thank you so much for your thoughts on Demons! They are indeed misunderstood. I have personally performed Ritual 1 from Demons of Magick to asked for results: Bime, Gamigin, Amon and Vine. I have gotten all the results I asked for. You can find my experience at the Demons of Magick Amazon review under the name Maddoc (posted on February 19, 2019)...
Overall pleasant experience and I hope that you have try out some of the rituals from that book and share your experience in any of your upcoming videos :)
Demons are not misunderstood. They're evil pieces of shit that crave human control until they meet their match then they have to humble themselves. Most of them aren't very bright either.
9:44 this sounds EXTREMELY similar to our monkey mind. maybe our minds got taken over by demons
Seems likely
These sort of things, while interesting to me, feel like uncharted rough waters. I don’t want to contact entities as my naïveté on it is a target and a weak spot. It’s funny though, I know someone from the Lakota Tribe who I talk to regularly. They have Spirits that they communicate with, it’s a mutual exchange and they do rituals to appease these spirits. From what I read about witchcraft seems similar. Mutual transactions.
But the idea of demons being both inter and outer is really interesting to me. There’s parts to me that I feel control me than the other way around. Maybe grounding the idea of demons as something originating and coexisting with the self will help illuminate these parts of self
It’s a dangerous game... Possession is real...
Before one takes on the challenge of trying to tame and reform a demon, one should probably get a bit of practice by trying to tame and reform a serial killer or a rabid dog. Once you've succeeded with those, then it might be OK to move on to the demon taming...
Or perhaps all that’s needed is a change of your own perspective. Demons aren’t inherently malevolent. Infact the majority of the well known ones are invested in the spiritual evolution of the human race.
If one can tame themself then that person has already tamed everything in existence.
Thanks 🎉
I'm able to remember my dreams. When I dream with demons now I show them respect bc I know God created them and they have job lol. When I show them respect they show respect back to me. I don't get scare of them . Now shadow people are scary and I can't sense intelligence in them only the feeling of terror.
Love your channel, man! It's full of rich arguments. Keep going, please!!
Exceotional. I agree. Its both in each of us. They probly get mean bc of hurt like us and when u said TRAMA induces chande of one self. I unfortunately know with experience this is me. I live with everyday and ask why and no one answers me bc both my parents are gone and i never got to say goodbye. So yes u r very intuitive and so kind. Tnank you so much. Enjoy today love Susan
I have never summoned anything but a demon did appear to me in a dream and spoke to me telepathically asking what I desired, didn't think much of it but said I "want to be on fire" I meant like shine but I should have been more specific he ended up throwing fire around the room at me and I was running for my life
How do you guys manage to keep your sanity while contacting these entities?!
I appreciate how you go into the topic
That little reading out of that book was great
This is like going into a casino in hopes of coming out with millions of dollars.. we all know how it ends.
Yeah I was already thinking something like "the house always wins." I mean, if we take this seriously we're talking about dealing with something inherently more intelligent than people. Despite this text's focus on demons being "parts of ourselves" there is clearly an external intelligence involved and I personally don't feel smart enough to wrangle it.
Excellent analogy 👏🏻
Oh! it is kinda magical that yesterday I used the same keywords while explaining a phenomenon to a close friend and my cousin. it was related to my personal life where I am transforming into Solomon like. Let's wait and watch.