1990 Porsche 964 RWB Auction Result Will Turn Your Stomach on PCAR Market!
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- In this captivating episode of Bid Nerds, we delve into a recent auction shocker on PCAR Market where a seller passed up an eye-watering amount of money for a 1990 Porsche 964 Carrera 4 Coupe by RWB. Was it a grave mistake or a calculated decision? Join hosts John Polnik and Michael Deeb as they analyze this baffling choice and the potential financial repercussions.
Moreover, we'll explore the fascination and high prices associated with RWB (Rauh-Welt Begriff) aesthetic restorations. These Porsches are renowned for their bold, wide-body modifications and dramatic style, but often, these visual enhancements don't come with engine upgrades to match. We'll discuss:
The allure of RWB modifications and why they command such premium prices, despite the lack of performance enhancements.
Insights into the RWB community and the value they place on aesthetics over traditional performance metrics.
The potential impact on resale value and market perception when style is prioritized over substance.
This episode is perfect for Porsche enthusiasts, RWB fans, and anyone intrigued by the dynamics of the collector car market. Tune in as we dissect these complex topics, offering a blend of expert analysis, market insights, and enthusiast opinions.
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Most RWB cars sell within the group via their private chat, so when one comes up publicly it usually means nobody in the group wanted it and/or didn't have friends/family who passed on it. That being said this car has 2 accidents(1 reported and 1 non reported), paint issues, partially gutted interior and air ride which all hurt its value in my view. Two RWB cars were on BaT, with a blue 964 selling for $132k and 997 failed to sell at just under $67K and had no bids with 4 days to go. Noting the 997 wasnt built by Nakai and PDK, which hurt it seriously. The issue I see is that now is that the PCM high bid sets the value of the car. I was offered a RWB that failed to sell on an auction site and he wants $70k more than that high bid which is delirious. These cars are built to taste and budget. There are some amazing standout cars with built motors (Silver 993 in CT) or turbo setups (blue 964 in CT as well) but most are high mile cars or have accident history/title brands. As for the owner of the car, he doesnt drive it and its sat for years for the most part. Nearly $200k is very agressive for that car
If you're the seller, what do you do now?
@@bidnerds Well as one of your hosts pointed out. You probably hold the car hoping for $200k or more. The problem is the no sale on the Reb cab isnt good for value, nor is this car not selling or the 997 as a no sale. The blue BaT car at $132k isnt a good sign. My understanding is the owner rarely uses the car and has other toys in the garage. If it he has to hold its not a concern from what I gather. The reality is current owners and those waiting to build theirs dont want to see those numbers as it hurts them in the short term.
@@gruppegee The cab was a tiprtonic and the 997 was a well, 997. Not exactly apples to apples, eh?
@@bidnerds That is correct. However with such limited number of public sales its all the fruit we got :) Its worth noting the 997 was not a Nakai built car which definitely impacted the sale. That same seller sold the 964 on BaT and has a 993 for $200k for sale on his website. Both built by Nakai and seemingly all were built to flip. That doesnt seem to be panning out for the dealer however.
Love It, but you need the HP to Back up the Look.
Alot of RWB haters here. Personally i dont understand why you would spend all that money getting nakai san and to modify a 964 Carrera 4 that's completely stock? Honestly, im a fan of his work, but this car to me isn't even worth $140K, in my opinion. If it was a turbo, it would be a COMPLETELY different story. The guy should have taken the offer.😅
Go on take the money and run.
RWB used to be cool. Nowadays they're cringe because pretty much every single RWB build documentation looks exactly the same, and all these 911s ended up being useless on track AND on the road. There will be 4 RWB builds happening in Indonesia next week, one of them is an extra-wide 997 Turbo build. I swear to God I'm gonna hate it, 997 Turbo is not small but they're not too big for the road. With that fender stretching for 5 postcodes? Yeah it's useless.
What do you think of the auction result? Should the seller have taken the money?
Not a RWB fan. That is crazy money, seller should have taken it.
Love rwb and stock. As long as its a p car.
Porsches are drivers cars. RWB's are non-driver cars. They are the automotive equivalent of silicon injected lips , ass and taataa's. Fun to mess with but try living with it...
You guys are too generous re RWBs, they’re an abomination to begin with...seller was stoopid not taking that offer
They are undeniably valuable, even if you don't like them. What do you think of the auction result? More money on another platform or should have taken teh PCAR money?
@@bidnerds stock 964 Turbo is even more valuable.
@@tweed0929 Sure, but this car isn't a turbo at all. If it were a turbo with an RWB, it would be worth significantly more than this example based on a standard C4.
this cars worth $190-$225k. i study the RWB market. i also have one.
Why do you think this one didn't get there?
@@bidnerds it did. it got to $191k plus fees and all. it just didnt meet the sellers reserve. i do think the seller should have taken it. but regardless its a solid, good build. he may be able to fish alittle more out of it. these cars are looked at as Art/Relics more then anything else.
That 1990 Porsche is a ricer special. That car has the "I've got bad credit" written all over it.
It's not like any bank would give you a loan for one even if you had good credit, lol. so how does someone with poor credit come up with nearly two hundred grand?
Dumbest comment of the day. Bad credit 🤡
@@bidnerds bitcoin, selling drugs etc.
@@davidchoeun You can take the man away from the bus stop but you can never take the bus stop out of the man.
I wouldn't touch that with your lightsaber
What do you think of the auction result?
RWB wasn't cool then, RWB isn't cool now. When I was criticizing the design when these appeared in the scene, everyone was sharpening their pitchforks at me. But seriously, this aesthetic only serves minds of 12-year olds, which is the median mental age of RWB audience. When Akira Nakai-san cuts through fenders, cuts through body panels and refuses even to anti-corrosion them, putting only shallow strip of the hermetic through the push tube it is peak cringe and hubris. Eff Nakai-san and his way of ruining the Porsche legacy.
People from all over the world wanted the modified porsche's from Japan that looked completely different from everywhere else in the world and we're willing to pay crazy money for them. I'm not going to argue that it's not everyone's taste and that everyone should like what he does. The way he builds these cars is no different to how he builds them in Japan. It's like the Hotrod culture in America for example They take a car, hack it up and make it their own creation. It's the exact same thing that Nakai san does with porsche's. 😅
Yea cause people are paying you to travel the world and modify their car.
Sorry, but I think most RWB Porsches are ugly. On the other hand, Singers are beautiful.
Completely different caliber of cars and budgets. RWB is more about the Japanese tuning/modified culture of the porsche scene in japan, and Singer is more of a Homage and celebration of porsche by creating the car completely from scratch with the best and luxurious parts and materials you can find.
RWB are objectively ugly & cheaply (as in not) engineered for performance. Some people have bad taste and there are companies who cater to them.
It's undrivable unfortunately. That doesn't help
What do you think of the auction result?
935 clones are cool. IDGAF what anyone says. Id rather drive a slow 935 clone then a slow 964.
What if the RWB has a built motor to match the look?
@@bidnerds thats better but building a 964 for power is very expensive and even more when they go wrong. Brake and suspension upgrades have to be made to match power. Plus you better be on your toes with a high power 964. They are not forgiving. If your not on the track and just want style widebody 911s are hard to beat.