Shohei Ohtani press conference reaction: What's next for Dodgers star?
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- "DodgerHeads" host Jeff Spiegel and Forbes' senior MLB contributor Anthony Witrado react to Shohei Ohtani's press conference, how the Los Angeles Dodgers' star handled his first comments on Ippei Mizuhara's illegal gambling scandal and what may be next.
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Ohtani is the genuinest person I have 0 doubt that he's telling the truth. 🦄🤴💪⚾️💙
I stand by Shohei through and through
he doesnt give a shit about you
I believe Ohtani 💯. This guy looks honest, credible and transparent. And he is presumed innocent, btw.
PR companies and transparency are oxymorons 😂
Let me guess. You're a Dodgers Fan. Of course you think he looks honest... 🙄. These guys are probably paid to do PR for Dodgers to sway public opinion. That's PR 101 for the team to coordinate media to tell the sob story etc. Probably should listen to media that doesn't have a dog in the race.
The outpouring of hate against Ohtani is really sad. I mean, I kind of knew there were haters all around but they’re really showing themselves now with this scandal. It’s a damn shame, but he will rise above it and win championships.🎉
Ohtani had the biggest monkey on his back in baseball history. Haters? How about people not happy at all about the proximity to a scandal. It’s the biggest catfish in history. Breach of egg roll contract.
It's true, and totally agree why Ohtani did not get it when Ippei talked at the clubhouse. I have lived in the US for 20 years, I really don't know what "bookmaker" is until this Ohtani scandal.
You are right about Ohtani's English skills. He can communicate with other players or coaches on the ground because they are moving in the same direction. But I am sure Ohtani doesn't have any idea about the banking system or even how to register an account online in English. And you guys are right about accessing a banking account. Ohtani allowed Ippei to take care of making a payment of laundry, grocery, phone, water, and power bills. Ohtani is the type of person who doesn't consider work and life balance but desires to concentrate on anything in his life on baseball. So he needed someone he could trust, and Ippei was the one whom he believed in. But it was not. That's why he said he was sad and shocked at what Ippei did to him.
I heard he relied on Ippei even more when he had surgery. He could have given Ippei a lot more access during and after his surgery.
When I worked as an interpreter, I had to assist the players on just about every aspect of their daily lives. These include: opening bank accounts, taking them to DMV to get licenses, and setting up utilities. I also carried their check books on the road for clubhouse dues.
Assistant stolen money from their rich boss is more common than you think. And Ippei is like that to shohei, he's not only interpreter. He handling his business everyday.
Ohtani is completely innocent. Although he was betrayed by his friends, he is resolute and admirable.
suika197 Excellent, and you are almost right.
JP, but I am surprised that there is an American who can paint such an imaginative image.
Usually. You would need a password or something. Experts and reporters should think twice. This is not normal. It is irregular.
E-PAY MI SO SORRY is not even in jail at this time. That should be telling you something. Perhaps a “business partners” kind of activity. There’s a video in which E-Pay explains their relationship with those words ⤴️.
I'm Japanese, but I want Americans to know about this new translator. I feel like he only translates about 80% of what's said. For starters, he uses "obviously" a lot, but Shohei never says "obviously" in Japanese. Also, Shohei didn't use the word "willfully" in Japanese. I think a real professional translator should have done this. Shohei's explanation in Japanese was perfect and left no room for doubt. Shohei's explanation in Japanese clearly and concisely shows that Shohei has nothing to do with gambling and that Ippei was telling a huge lie to everyone around him at the beginning.
Thanks for that insight. I expected a real, direct word to word translation. Anyway most Americans believe Ohtani, but many in the Media will doubt him because they want a American to be the face of Baseball... and others just to keep the News rolling.
I agree. I am bilingual too and I’ll give the new interpreter a 70/100. He’s correct in essentials. However in such an important announcement, failing to be precise in every wording and even missing some phases is, to me at least, disappointing.
@@Tendertroll1 If you listen to it, a native Japanese person can tell whether someone simply said something prepared or whether they focused on the main points and said it in their own words. It's clear that Shohei didn't speak from memory, and it wasn't an acted speech.
@@Tendertroll1 Honestly I don't think I can do better, I know it's a hard job. But what u are suggesting is, unless someone plays baseball better than Ohtani, otherwise he or she has no right to comment on the sport. You are acting like a kid
Agreed 100%, but I think he’s temporary.
Shohei, burdened with anger and sadness, finally awakens as a Super Saiyan!!!!🔥⚡
I believe Shohei especially after today.
This was done during his time with the angels, it would’ve been really easy for ippei to set up a bank account under his name that shohei wouldn’t even know about when he knew absolutely no English. Especially when he was only 23 in a foreign country. I want to believe ippei is a nice guy but all the lies he’s told on his resume makes it look like he wanted to get close to a cash cow he could exploit for his gambling addiction. Really sad situation
Excellent analysis, Jeff and Anthony. It's not hard for me to imagine how Ippei could have gotten access to Shohei's bank account. All we know about Ohtani is that he is ver focused on baseball, especially as a two-way star. It doesn't leave much time for the day-to-day stuff during the season or even after. How many times have we heard of singers/musicians money being stolen by their managers. They, too, are preoccupied with travel and rehearsals, etc.
Imagine you Americans move to some other coutries, you are able to handle all these finacial things yourselves？most people even need a guide to take subways.
Yes, you are right and very nice person To tell a truth, I have encountered a lot of American people who expect Japanese people to speak, and understand English fluently when visiting Japan. If people in the United States, expect otani to speak English good enough to handle accounting matter. These people also need to prepare their Japanese before visiting there
I feel bad for Shohei. I hope Ippi gets help. He’s lost everything. Not good.
@@Tendertroll1 On the contrary, I think there are many rehab programs in prison. If he goes to prison, let’s hope he finds the help he so obviously needs. I hope he finds help regardless of where he ends up being housed. The whole damned situation is sad for everyone concerned.
Can't conclude until Ippei's full statement/interview is out. There are always 2 sides to a story. We've only heard part of 1. This whole situation isn't that simple.
At this point, ippei has lied so much, it’s hard to believe him. The sox have said he never worked for them, the school he said he went to said he was never enrolled. It looks like he was desperate for a cash cow and found one by lying on his resume
Ippei's a compulsive liar. It was found out recently that his resume are full of lies. I wouldn't believe a word he says now.
I have no doubt shohei is telling the truth..and ippei took advantaged on him and misled everything...how can he do that on a guy who given him a oppurtunity to have a good life..i know shohei will be fine..
Gambling addiction and vanity as a “respectable sidekick”. Ippei didn’t steal Shohei’s money to get rich and splash on, but he secretly (or lied the purpose of use) transferred amount from Shohei’s account “to cover losses” in gambling, but still almost broke to the end. Horrible, but, very sad.
Very well discussed. Thank you both for this video.
How did Ippei get into his account and how did Ohtani not notice? Those are the real two big questions.
Just wait until the investigation is complete
Ippei does everything for Shohei. They're best friends. People do not understand that their relationship is so much more than just an interpreter. They're like family. If you look at history, then you'll understand that 4.5 million is actually the low side of thievery regarding sports athletes, unfortunately. Another thing too. It could be a very real possibility that Ippei handled bills, etc, since he does so much more than just being an interpreter since he drives shohei around as well as does stuff for him.
Ohtani probably has more than one bank account, so I guess it's not impossible Ohtani allowed Mizuhara access to one of those accounts he used to pay the bills and stuff.
When Shohei was still a pro in Japan making 1.5 million a year, he had his parents manage his funds and they sent Shohei $1000 a month. This is because Shohei wanted to focus on baseball and training, and his lack of interest in money. It hurt him this time but he'll learn.
I don't know for sure but it's easy to guess that Ippei helped Ohtani open an online bank account, created his username and password and stored that information somewhere both of them can have access to whenever they want.
Since his days in Japan, he's been indifferent to money. When he was in Japan, his mother was in charge of his finances and here in the US, it was Ippei.
Two remaining questions is how Ippei had access to Shohei's bank account and how no one noticed the at least two wire transfers of $500,000 out of Shohei's account until now.
Who would explaine to Shohei if someone noticed to him in English?
He could understand most casual conversations, but he needs an interpreter for those banking notices or something like that.
@EddieHersh To me, it appears that Mizahura was much more than just an interpreter to Ohtani. He was more like a personal assistant. In that capacity, it’s not a stretch to presume that Mizahura opened bank accounts (yes, plural) in Ohtani’s name and with Mizahura as a co-signer on those accounts.
That way, Mizahura could write checks and send wire transfers at his pleasure. We think in terms of single accounts because that’s terms that we know from experience. Personally, I can’t fathom the concept of millions of dollars in multiple accounts, because I’ve not had that issue in my life.
This wouldn’t be the first time someone betrayed someone (athlete, artist, etc.) else. I think back to the time Billy Joel was cheated out of money by his father in law. It’s sad, but it happens when one trusts the wrong person.
調べたことをまとめて説明します。
1.大谷の承認なく送金することは可能なのか？
→MLB2球団で通訳を務めた経験のある小島克典氏は日本のテレビ番組の取材に対し、「選手に頼まれ、納税手続きを行った経験がある。経費などを管理するためにサブ口座を通訳が管理することもある」と述べた。
実際、水沢一平はただの通訳ではなく、大谷の様々な契約を請け負うマネージャーでもあった。大谷レベルの資産になると通常は複数の口座を所有している。大谷が11社契約しているスポンサーとの仕事や慈善活動のためにその経費のために口座うちの一つを水原一平に完全に任せておいても不思議ではない。
また、スポーツマネジメント会社Ａｔｈｌｅｔｅｓ Ｄｒｅａｍ Ｍａｎａｇｅｍｅｎｔ，Ｉｎｃの創業者である鈴木友也氏は水原一平が大谷翔平の代理委任状（Power of Attorney）であれば、本人同様に口座にアクセスできると述べた。（同氏は実際にPOAになった経験がある）。
ただ、POAの場合一度の送金限度があるため、水原氏は複数回に渡り送金したと考えられる。逆に大谷が故意に送金したのであれば複数回に渡り、送金すること自体が不自然である
2.水原氏がブックメーカーに送金したことに大谷は気づかなかったのか？
→これも、代理委任状であれば本人の承認なしに送金できるということから説明できる。また、口座残高の減少に気づかなかったのかという問いに対しては、これは単純に大谷が野球にしか興味がないからとしか言えない。
日本時代は給料の全てを親に預け、親から貰ったお小遣いを元に生活していたがその小遣いすらも使い切らずに貯金していたことで知られている。また、1で説明したように複数の口座を持っているのであれば、その全てをチェックするようなことはしないと大谷翔平の性格からも推測できる。
ついでによく見る以下の問いにも答えます
3.通訳に450万ドルもの信用枠を与えるのか
→ワシントン・ポスト紙電子版は、水原氏の胴元とされるＭ・ボウヤー氏の弁護士を務めるＤ・バス氏を取材した。２３日、水原氏の胴元とされる違法賭博業者のボウヤー氏の弁護士の証言として大谷が関与していなかったことを説明した。
同氏は「ボウヤーは大谷と話したことも、会ったことも、メールをしたこともない。会って、話して、メールをしたのは一平だけだ」として、賭博をして連絡を取っていたのは水原氏だけだったことを強調した。
また、胴元としても大きなリスクを背負うことになるが「給料が６ケタに届かない通訳だが、大谷と親しいからこそボウヤーは水原を泳がせ続けた」とし、弁護士のバス氏は「彼は大谷のベストフレンドだったから」と説明した。
ドジャースと１０年７億ドルのメガ契約を結び、スポンサー収入も２４年は６５００万ドルある大谷の存在があったからこそ、信頼していたと説明した。よくコメントで「通常のブックメーカーは」と言ったコメントを散見するが、そもそも今回の水原氏が送金したとされるのは「違法」なブックメーカーである
"Just curious. Do you pitch with your right hand or your left?" "Right". Nods.
"ITAI!"
"Now you'll have to learn to pitch with your left."
I heard " book making" is understood as " reservation" for Japanese😂. Ippei made all reservations, dentists and even for jet plane charter.
Ohtani has gone on record saying what he said. Why are you guys still speculating, since when was someone deemed guilty until proven innocent.
They are in the media.
Instant translation is extremely difficult. Context and language structure is important. To get remotely close, it requires hearing and translating instantaneously like they do at organizations like the United Nations. In this type of press conference, if Shohei is reading the text, the translation could have been printed and read so the accuracy would have been pristine. If Shohei deviated from the text at all or spoke on his own, it would start to lower the accuracy. It would be interesting if someone published the word for word translation into English for us to read.
It is indeed a difficult job. And Ippei was really good at it -- which makes it even more tragic that he would screw up so badly.
The new guy wasnt bad. It was pretty clear that he was feeling the pressure and sticking pretty much to a word-for-word quote of what Ohtani said. Unfortunately that takes away a lot of the context and nuance. What Ippei did well was to translate the underlying "humor" and "personality" of what Ohtani said, which isnt always the same as a direct translation of what was said.
Hopefully this new guy will loosen up and give us better "non-direct translations" when the pressure of an MLB investigation isnt so intense.
rogerder5892 Looking back at the press history, this is more perfect than the US media's message.
And the Deepl translation is optimal.
Excellent points, Jeff, how sports betting jargon is confusing, even more so for for a person for whom English is a second language
In March of last year, Ohtani was interviewed by South Korea media. Ohtani said in an interview that he personally really likes Korean players, but ippei interpreted that he personally had no special feeling toward the Korean national team. From then on, Korea fans did not trust ippei's interpreter.
I would have liked to hear how his interpreter had access to his account. Wire transfers of that amount are not trivial.
It's interesting that so many are calling him a liar when the guy he accused of betraying him has already admitted he did it.
The guest PR guy is dancing around the issue.
All of that is great, but did Ohtani meet the Bookmaker in person?
I believe. Play Ball
Ohtanis representatives did not paint themselves in rhe corner because they know how the investigation is going to go. Why have Shohei come out with such a definitive statement unless they know how the investigation will go?
Japanese people who have seen Shohei since he was in high school never imagined him having any interest in gambling, let alone accumulating huge debts. Japanese people understand that he's not even interested in money. He just wants to play baseball. He is that kind of person. That's why he is a Unicorn!
It almost sounds like Spiegle doesnt want to believe Ohtani . He is hoping for scandal .
You guys are just quoting the Dodger MLB line. You add nothing to the discussion
・Good batting, strengthen defense
If the truth is that “Ohtani bailed out a friend,” why change the story?
There are lots of people commenting on his bank accounts without any information. Does anyone know how his accounts are set up? Does anyone know which bank he uses? Or, can anyone tell me which country his bank is in? I'd guess most of his money is in Japan or, possibly, an off shore account. Do any of the commentors have experience with either?
It's not like he doesn't have 700 millions reasons to lie.
Another point that I haven't seen mentioned is... how many gambling addicts would willingly defer 99% of their salary?
Yeah, it only shows he doesn’t care about money nor think much about micromanaging unlike many other money monger or dipper pro athletes.
I am Japanese, so please excuse any English problems. I understand that interpreting on a stage like that is difficult, so I'm not complaining. but i just want to tell you all. what Ohtani-san announced in Japanese is " I don't bet on anything" not " I never bet on baseball". i think this is important. and this tells He just doesn't like gambling at all.
He's lying... and will be a disgrace to your people after this is over
@k9spjack … I totally agree. Shohei, and it’s admirable, probably tried to help his friend but went about it the wrong way. I can also believe it is possible for Ippei to have misappropriated money without Shohei knowing.
Easy for me to believe Ippei had access to the bank accounts… as said in this vid, Ippei was probably “writing checks” to pay Ohtani’s bills. He may have even setup “slush fund” account(s) without Shohei even knowing about it because when you are talking about the kind of money Shohei makes, 4.5 million is a rounding error.
They screwed this up with the two stories that are so diametrically opposed to one another… a page from the old “O what a tangled web we weave…”
I believe Othani because that’s what his carefully crafted persona suggests I do
Ippei claims Ohtani gave him the 4.5 and Ohtani claims the money was stolen. That’s a huge gap to fill and this so called press conference did nothing to reconcile these two entirely different claims.
No gap. bacause Ippei says Shohei has nothing to do with wire transfer. Your infomation is based on the old claim of Ippei's.
False
Shohei is not interested in money or gambling. When he was in Japan, his parents managed his salary, and he didn't know how much he had in his bank account because his parents sent him only 800 dollars every month. He spent only a small portion of the 800. In the U.S., Ippei, in stead of Shohei's parents, was taking care of Shohei, like a baby, especially because Shohei only wanted to concentrate on baseball and become the best player. Furthermore, he is not good at English. He can handle simple daily conversations but cannot understand or espresso his views on something complex in English. It's much more difficult to do things in a foreign language than people imagine. Many of my colleagues in Japan are from English-speaking countries. Although they have been in Japan for ages, they are still unable to function well in Japanese society. Many of them are so ignorant due to the language barrier, and their Japanese spouses and friends do everything for them as if they were babies. So, I cannot blame Ohtani.
Either Ohtani was betrayed by his interpreter, lawyer, banker and accountant, or he’s lying.
Listening to this has as much credibility as have MLB run their own investigation to this scandal.
Someone is lying.
yup called it
To not be lying, he had to give Ippei access to his bank accounts. Which would be foolish.
And even if he had access, doesn’t he check his bank accounts? Maybe he couldn’t read an English based bank web site? Although numbers are a universal language (-$500,000 is the same in any language)
If I was making as much money as Ohtani, I wouldn’t even be checking my account. All I would lol ow is that im basically set
While in Japan, he lived in the team dorm and was given a $1000 mo. allowance by his mom, who controlled his account. Here, he's deferred most of his salary. It leads me to believe that he's not that interested in money. That may be foolish, or not.
The guy deferred 95%of his 700 million dollar contract, which makes me think he doesn't cared about money.
@@23mj65 by deferring he avoids taxes and can get a loan on that money and write off the interest. Also he makes 100 mil a year in endorsements
Best friends for how long and Ohtani knows nothing about his gambling? Why wouldn't you hire an actual accountant? A bookie is not giving a trainer a 5 million line of credit. No one would
Are kidding me? It was TERRIBLE. Nothing makes sense. Who are his lawyers? He actually made it worse . He should of just kept it wrapped up and quiet. Now if he is lying its going to be a lot worse.
Ohtani's bankers would have been heavily involved on big transactions like what Ohtani was doing. How could he not know big transactions were taken place when his money people like accountants and bankers are involved.
You mean, you Think Ohtani's bankers would have been involved. Or maybe, Ohtani's bankers Should have been involved. You don't know if they were or not. I doubt you even know which country his bank is in.
How did he get access? Did he say? Makes no sense.
He stuck to the facts related to his own culpability. It's correct not to go into the methods because authorities are likely building a criminal case against Ippei and you don't want to sully the evidence or give the criminal any leeway to explain things away.
Ippei Mizuhara has been telling two contradicting stories and we now know he's been lying about his job and education. So who would want to believe him over Shohei Ohtani? Accusations should be directed towards Mizuhara and not Ohtani. As for wire transfers I can think of several ways in which they may have been executed by someone other than Shohei himself - but that's for the investigators to ascertain.
He's been in the USA for at least 6 years.
And been in Japan for 23 years...
So what. There are Americans who's been in Japan for 10 years and barely speak Japanese.
Ultimate cover up. Took no questions! Where is FBI? Where are police reports? All bs..
Obviously, you didn’t see the video you’re commenting on or completely ignored what they mentioned. Presumed guilty?
Innocent till proven guilty. He seems credible. Just wait till investigation is conpleted
I do believe Ohtani, but if this is all true, he’s obvs been done wrong by more than one person. He’s clearly been way too insulated, & treated like a child. He needs better “people” asap, pay more attention to his stuff, time to stop being quite so precious. Very tough times, but time to grow up.
I've never seen a real victim of a crime have to read from a script written by Attorney's! Real victims don't need a script because what happened to them is seared in their brain. I believe the original story, which was Ohtani was helping his friend by paying off his gambling debt. But when his Attorney's told him that that was illegal and against MLB Policy he could face severe consequences. The entire story changed to the Interpretator stealing from him. Nice try by Ohtani, but only Dodger fans are buying what he's spewing!!
I am Japanese.
Otani had prepared a script, but he changed it to his own words and spoke properly.
I think the fact that he prepared a script shows his own sincerity in having to give an accurate timeline without omissions.
This is a problem for the interpreter.
Language barriers are difficult.
So, even you think that Shohei didn’t gamble and did nothing wrong in a social moral sense.
Basically, it’s nothing wrong with trying to help your friend in a serious trouble.
If it was only some technicality or interpretation of law for incriminating a good Samarian Shohei is trying to dodge, I’d still support him 100%, and that’s maybe the reason Ippei agreed to be called a thief as the last thing he can do for Shohei.
Shohei only wants to play baseball better and I want to watch him play great. Are you also a baseball fan or a prosecution fan?
翔平を全力で応援します。翔平は何も悪いことはしてないよ。ファンならわかってるでしょ？
Even if Ohtani gambled, they won't be able to prove a thing. That's the thing with Japanese, they are private people. Only Ippei and Ohtani would know, and they're sticking with the same story, with Ippei taking the fall.
A man who’s virtually moving only within a triangle of the ballpark, gym and bed, mandating by himself a 10 hour sleep every day and has lived with $700/M self-pay allowance comfortably for years…
How can such a man soak in gambling and losing big and when?
@@Keeazul to be honest that's how a problem gambler would live if he is aware that he has a problem gambling. He would let someone hold and handle the money. He won't take all the money up front since he knows he has a problem and can blow all the money in one gambling session.
@@metsrus So, you concluded Ohtani Was the gambling addict?… what a surprise!
Then, Shohei should be in fact a lowest scam fake 2xMVP hero and Ippei a tragically victimised ultimate nice guy, if the story had to go without inconsistency unless they were the “gambling addict brothers”.
Sorry, unable to buy either senario.
@@Keeazul If Ippei lie and stole that much money from Ohtani's bank account and made unauthorized transactions, why hasn't he been charged with theft yet? The only way Ohtani can clear his name is if he lets the law punish Ippei to the fullest extent. Otherwise if nothing happens to Ippei, we know they might be in it together.
He’s lying about what happened. His story of knowing nothing is not reasonable, given what happened. They got caught and are scrambling. I think. Of course, Dodger fans will support him.
At the very least, no one can say black or white at this point. You see it black because you’re staring things in darkness, I guess.
I wonder about the accounts but why wouldnt Ippei have those numbers. At some point, I have to imagine that his interrupter would have at least heard or seen those account numbers while working in various business dealings.
Guilty. GUILTY.
Ohtani is the guilty one
he lying....
LYING
He is a liar
Ohtani is innocent. I have a friend who has been in the US over 30 years and still has difficulty understanding the English language!! He trusted Ippei and got screwed
Ohtani needs to retire...
just like when I was a kid when Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker were caught betting...they just retired...
then my fav Base-Ball player became Frankie Lefty ODoul
When I worked as an interpreter, I had to assist the players on just about every aspect of their daily lives. These include: opening bank accounts, taking them to DMV to get licenses, and setting up utilities. I also carried their check books on the road for clubhouse dues.
Assistant stolen money from their rich boss is more common than you think. And Ippei is like that to shohei, he's not only interpreter. He handling his business everyday.
Ohtani is completely innocent. Although he was betrayed by his friends, he is resolute and admirable.