The Uncomfortable Hatred for the Handler | Monster Hunter World
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I will never forgive the handler for stealing that hug from MY palico at the start of the game
yes, that is where all my hatred come from. that's MY palico
The only Palico who ever betrayed me ever in all MH games before i even got a weapon. Lol i mean he met the handler in a day. The game narrative tells you that you and your palico have been together for quite a while in old world until your journey to the new world.
This was my big reason for hating her and it only snowballed from there.
Screw this misogyny BS he’s trying to shoehorn in, she could be hot or a dude and I’d still imagine my elbow flying straight for that face stealing MY hug from my cat.
@@HeilRay maybe its because of that scene in the beginning where the cat gets knocked over by the rubbage into the ocean as you just...
Watch him fall, I guess.
my thought process went a bit like this
before: she's a bit obnoxious but it's not that bad
after cat hug: you need to die a thousand deaths to compensate for your sins
She changed my poogie out of his Dodogama costume without my permission... If anything, I think she isn’t hated enough.
This is the only fair point
at this rate she'll be taking our pets away!
I don't know what you guys are on about. The cat cheated on us. Fuck that cat. Greatest betrayal of my life.
@@certfiedratanalyser4544 No it's not
@@certfiedratanalyser4544 Yea you have a unhealthy hatred for her, absolute incel behavior
imma be honest, it all started when my Palico hugged her. that’s the big issue.
Exactly
That's *my* friend you're stealing, Handler
My head cannon is that we get paid to look after her and my palico was just happy she wasn't dead lol.
@@TaqSoto "thank God you're alive, I didn't wanna lose that paycheck!"
@@bayardkyyako7427 No it's not. What does when we met her have to do with getting paid to keep her safe?
@@bayardkyyako7427 You don't know that. Someone could be paying us to keep her safe and she doesn't know. Maybe a family member of hers? Could be anyone.
I think the main issue is that we're forced to watch her doing dumb shit ( unskipable cutscenes)
My group constantly bitches at her, like the "WHY IS SHE EVEN HERE" type
i mean "we" done more dumb shit things than her, take a sit and rewatch all cutscenes
True, once I got the ability to skip scenes via mods, she wasn’t too bad 😅
And the quality of the facial movements in the cutscenes is not very good and it really hurts her character design
Honestly, for me its the fact that she seems to be completely and utterly useless. Everything she does can just as easily be done by other people or yourself with out all the obnoxious and down right moronic antics she does.
"Guildmarm wanting to get railed by Brachydios"
Me: Somebody tell Josh someone is after their man!
Hello yes what
HOW DID U FIND THIS
@@RageGamingVideos no brachy for u, Josh.
@@RageGamingVideos Lmao NOW i wasn't expecting you to see this much less replying. Wonderful to see you it was pleasant and funny surprise!
my god this is the best haha
World was my first Monster Hunter, so whenever I got to a new map I wanted to explore. They're beautiful locations. The Handler popping up to say YOU SHOULD GO TO THE THING NOW every 30 seconds got pretty fast. Our relationship never recovered lol. So by the time we got to Deviljho I was plenty biased against her. But yeah, it's not really a story filled with much character development, or really characters in general. The Tracker was my favorite "character," but like most characters it's ultimately just a design, a voice, and general vibe.
A surprise to see you here but a welcomed one
Did not expect to see you here sir
A Zelda x MH 5’th gen crossover would guarantee Navi and the Handler both guiding the player. Lord have mercy.
Yea I definitely liked tracker or serious handler who seemed a little more down to earth but also just weren't so grating having to constantly listen to that voice lol.
YES I KNOW I HAVE DRAGONBLIGHT FUCK YOU ARENT HELPING
simple reason: backseating.
I know my health is low, I just got thrown 30ft up in the air and crashed on rocks. You don't need to tell me I'm low.
The thing is, lets look at the female NPCs from Rise/Sunbreak. Most of the ones in base Rise get a chance to shine via combat during the rampage quests, even the seemingly meek and mild twins (which act as your quest maidens) show how much of actual combat trained badasses they are during those segments, even someone like Yomigi (aka classic annoying kid character...who honestly isn't that annoying) turns up with a Minigun turret and just hammers the monsters.
Then with Sunbreak you have the Follower quests and they, essentially, get to show off the NPCs being badasses again, with some having some awesome storytelling, like finding out the 'prim and proper' Luchika is actually a bloodthirsty murder machine when in the field and that's why other hunters tend not to operate with her, or the reason master Utsushi is the one training novice hunters is because the dude is equally skilled in literally ALL of the weapons.
I think that's the problem with the Handler, all her 'badass' stuff is either done offscreen or she quickly gets damselled. As others have mentioned her claiming credit whilst not present ticks a lot of people off, which is something they fixed in Sunbreak since the NPCs are present in the story quests.
true.
but i give them some slack since MHW was their first entry to PC market and with such audience, they never had any companion like character for hunters since and this was the first they tried and they chose clumsy idiot trope comedic relief that left us hunters in the state of annoyed instead.
she doesn't have to be combat badass but need to have some use like she is good at tracking monster and fill our research bar for monster or gave us research point overtime because she is out there and really did something for us as a team.
she done things off screen but we have no result and that's the problem :P
@@user-dh4sb8pl4z Yeah I think you identified the problem there. Capcom intended for MH World to be the western export product, so they wanted to create a companion that would somehow be understood by both their main Japanese and the new Western audience.
Maybe Capcom intended for her to be the player-relatable non-combat character with a side of support. People may not notice but apparently the Handler is a foodie and a great cook and that's why she takes care of your meals when you've landed in a mission map. I'd also think that she actually does all of the field research cataloguing, because you're the Sapphire Star, A-listed fossil punk dumb muscle Rambo. You just hit things and she does all of the background work. She's also somehow survived all of her run-ins with dangerous monsters, which says something about her athletic ability.
I think she grew on me a bit as the only constant companion on solo quests and calling the main character "aibo". I roll my eyes at her antics sometimes but I appreciate her being there for me and not laughing when I come back to camp in a cart.
Bruh I already hated her since the start of the game, the feeling of designing your palico for two hours and then them having to hug her and not me despite having met her 20 minutes ago is soul crushing, I don’t think I’ve fully recovered from the fact that Mr Sniffles looked at her with a wide smile while I die inside from the sideline watching the tragedy happen.
I always thought the palico belonged to her and she kind of loaned it to me to be my partner in hunts. Idk that was what I assumed seeing how 'your' palico reacts to the handler and their shared embrace in the beginning of the game.
@@superrswalkthrougn SAME!
😂😂
@@superrswalkthrougn I get what you’re saying bro, but why even bother letting us design it if it was hers? That makes no sense at all
@@funpuns085 I just chalked it up to a clunky way to give us the damn cat. Makes no sense I know why the narrative of it not belonging to us when we actually design it and use it but eh. The game is about taking down monsters with 14 unique weapons and a cat ima give the weirder story choices a pass
Rise was my first game and I later went back to World.
The Handler was inoffensive to me but I believe the inability to skip cutscenes had something to do with her upsetting people.
Thats probably it.
Same situation as me, I don’t despise the handler I just dislike the tutorials in world and the fact that she is the one that gives most of them is I guess just unlucky for her and why I dislike her
Ahh yes the true enemy of gamers ,developers attempts to force us into engaging in the story with unskipable cutscences stopping us from being able to go full monkey brain ooga booga big monster kill
@@theamberwolf6825 the problem is when u want to replay the game with the alt.
That happens to me on my second playthrough. I don't really care why, and I just want to fight the monsters. That's just me.
My issue with her was that the game treated her like the main character, even pulling cutscene attention away from the hunter. She often goes first into situations despite being nowhere near as kitted out as the player character, so the game corners itself into giving her crazy plot armor. Hell, I'm fine with her being in the field, even doing her own exploration, but the game should have treated her like she was a scout or rogue, rather than a Disneyland tourist.
This right here. If you are exploring a dangerous place, a place you are unfamiliar with, you shouldnt be dancing around singing and being all defenceless. Even modern researchers and scientists today take necessary precautions when exploring into new fields, literally or metaphorically (like in a lab).
Meanwhile handler eating everything she doesnt know cause "when in doubt take a bite".
@@jonathantio7531 It's super weird that other characters seem fine with this behavior, when you'd think they want new handlers to improve, especially when something risks the handler's life. I'm fine with her starting out like this and growing to involve the hunter more, not losing her adventurous spirit, but learning how to use her resources. If the hunter and handler are a team, both parties should realize the benefits.
The handler's research is basically a background mechanic, but she is clearly doing work in the narrative, I can accept that as a part of the partnership. meanwhile she never seems to realize that maybe the athletic freak of nature she hangs out with can be useful in securing a location before running into it and just expecting them to protect her no matter what comes out.
@@MegaHasmat yup! But handler says
WE DID IT PARD!
No i saved your ass when you ran in before me like the idiot you are
Or Jurassic Park death fodder
@@jonathantio7531 when she said this my first thought was, "and that's how people die." 😂😂
I feel like The Handler would be more appreciated for her research if that aspect of her had more prominence in the mechanics of the game.
Like, if you went to HER to turn in research and not the random Wyverian sitting on the pile of books.
Or maybe you could use her as an introduction to thinking about how the environment or certain items interact with monsters. I had this idea for a menu where the Handler would introduce ideas like "hey partner, I noticed that Rathalos hunt using their incredible eyesight. Maybe there's an item you can use to overwhelm its eyesight and stun it temporarily"
I feel like that mechanical interaction with the world and its ecology would go a long way in showing players that the handler isn't "useless" and does play an important role in research. It would also help new players think about the ecology of the world and how it does factor into hunts.
The Handler as she is now is just a ton of missed opportunities for me. Her constant reminders of story quests is the worst aspect to me. But its only worse when I know she could be so much more.
One of the few comments that actually suggest a valid solution to the Handler problem; and that comment deserves at least an answer - and more likes.
@@SebasTian-od7oz lol, thanks! I actually ended up making my own video on this topic. But I don't really have the reach of other MonHunTubers. So you could check that one out if you want to hear a bit more :)
And that type of mechanic could become more useful if they have a similar character in later games. If the environments and interactions get more complex and nuanced like they seem to be from the wilds trailer then having someone to give you possible tips to help in fights could be useful. Tool tips that you might actually pay attention to lol.
I 100% agree with this, I think capcom writing the Handler to have a more active role in the commission was a really good step but it would've been much much nicer if they also went ahead and showed it in the gameplay itself, it really would be a cool way to empower her
Tbf thought your hunter notes had been garnered through the handlers research of the things you gather while tracking monsters.
So I’m a female and I’m not really fond of the handler either, but I don’t hate her. She would be just that one annoying friend IRL. The reason that I think made me annoyed the most is the bubblegum voice and personality, made me feel like she should take the job seriously and don’t sprint ahead every time when we should stick together in the field. It also annoys me that every time someone in the story asked me a question, just because my character is unable to talk so she has to unfortunately be the translator and speak in my character place, and I’d be like, ‘didn’t they asked me’ - and then ‘oh yea because all that my character can do is nodding’. Lol
Yeah she is very, very annoying just like Navirou from the Stories games.
@@ZackSNetwork I liked navirou :(
@@ZackSNetwork I couldn't stand Navirou. It took stories 2 to make me feel nuetral towards him
The handler is incredibly good at her job and takes it very seriously. I feel like many people probably just skipped past the text explaining that though. On the note of her talking for you, that’s also part of the job technically, she’s the one writing out or verbally conveying all reports to the guild or commander. Your part of the job is simply hunting. I do think it’s weird for her to do ALL the talking though.
@@spiren8336 what do you mean? there is literally a section where the serious handler asks you why you do all the work while she does nothing and you just dont answer. youre handler is suppose to provide you with monster info, hunter self written notes are NOT suppose to be a thing at all
The Handler suffers imo from what I've called the Claptrap effect: in the first Borderlands game, Claptrap was a NPC that would tell you when new quests are available in a region when you enter it for the first time. Problem is, everytime you boot up the game and re-enter a zone previously visited with sidequests you willingly ignore, he would still tell his "New missions are available" speech. That reason alone was why Claptrap went from one of my favorite characters in the Borderlands series to one of the most unsufferable.
And then you have the Handler telling you you should hunt the next monster in main missions everytime I want to grind new stuff or do event quests.
I also heard that the big reason claptrap got more annoying though the franchise was because his VA and the creators hd a big call Ng out because they were underpaying him, and they made claptrap insufferable because of that
It's also the reason why even when he hasn't done anything wrong everyone still clowns him
Don't forget The Handler giving you advice mid fight what part you should attack AFTER you hitting said part for 5 min straight.
Still haven't found the vault?
I’m going through World a second time and I want a similar experience to what I had the first time, getting to HR 50 and fighting tempered monsters. But after beating Xeno, EVERY TIME I come back from a quest she tells me to start Iceborne.
I've always been pretty "Meh" on the Handler honestly, never really hated her but never truly liked her. However, I will NEVER forgive her for causing my hunter to get a concussion during the Velkhana in the recess cutscene. There was no reason to run into a battlefield where an Elder dragon is, she could've yelled it from around the corner or something.
This! And the other time when she went to the forest ALONE to get mushrooms just to get attack by a Great Jagras and a DEVILJHO. Like wtf you're a handler not a hunter you shouldn't even be outside of camp ALONE.
I don't really hate her that much but she really need to stop putting herself in dangerous situation.
The Handler: pard that Elder Dragon is too dangerous!!!
The hunter *having canonically slain four elder dragons one of which they definitely fought alone*: ....... Reeeeeally 🙄
I feel like that situation was just an issue of MHW's bad writing, she had ample opportunity to run away from Velkhana and she didn't, what happened in that cutscene didn't feel justified and that's all on the cutscene directors
To be fair, in her defense no one told her about the hungry pickle in the area. Had they told her and she still did what she did, then yes she would be stupid.
@@Kaimariification Still don't think walking around in the forest is a good idea(especially in the new world), she couldn't even stop an aptonoth from eating her mushrooms. Even if the angry pickle isn't there, she still could've been eaten by a Great Jagras(Or even just the tiny Jagras).
Uncomfortable hatred? I'm very much comfortable in my hatred towards her.
As you should it's the correct opinion
Same
I think the dislike for the handler gets painted more clearly when you get the Serious Handler as your partner for a bit. At then end of a quest, there is no peppy _"We did it, pard! We make a great team!"_ which, after you have been fighting for your life for twenty minutes and she has been rooting around in your supply chest or checking canteen ingredients, feels a little... unearned.
The Serious Handler, meanwhile, responds to a completed hunt with "Good job! I'll report this right away!" and that's it. You're a team, and she's doing her part. We're thankful for the field cooking, and for compiling the research notes, but when it comes down to the apparent blood, sweat and tears of the hunt Serious Handler does not act like anyone but you deserves the credit for it.
It feels rather like some officer in the military claiming he was part of, say, some major counter-terrorist operation and they captured the bad guy... when he's not a boots-on-the-ground operator, not a pilot, not a general... he's the lieutenant that buys the ammo. Is it important? Yes. Does he get to take credit for winning the day? _Hell no._ He did not risk anything, and if he _is_ at risk he's doing something wrong. Same thing for the handler, even if she does a lot in camp. She _should be_ in the camp and safe, while we're in the field getting chewed on. If she's out and we're protecting her she's making a hard job harder unless our explicit job today is "protect her". I never had a problem with her first few close encounters, but the Deviljoh was just... why are you out here without me in the first place?!?! SOME OF THOSE MUSHROOMS YOU PICKED ARE TOXIC AND YOU'RE HERE TO TASTE-TEST?!
Now when she does things like get the researchers out during the Barroth attack so we can work, learns the elemental weaknesses of a monster, or when she delivers a five-star meal with a field oven, that's _great,_ that's her job and she should be congratulated for it. But when a baby god that wants to drain the world of bioenergy just fell under my blade and I'm gasping for breath because that took more than I even thought I had in me to pull off, she does _not_ get to run in and claim any credit for that. All she did was yell "wow it's really strong!" and that's not _helping,_ I figured that part out when it casually backhanded 3/4 of my HP away in a single hit.
As for the misogynistic angle, I feel that's 100% false for me at least. I thought the Handler was attractive, and that fell off fast when she started claiming she was the big part of the hunt. It would not matter if she was a supermodel, a guy, or a tentacled eldritch horror, _I_ played the game and smashed the monster, _I_ get the credit.
I whole heartedly agree, can't protect someone who's actively trying to kill herself lmao
I mean, it's implied she's off doing her own thing when you're hunting, not just hanging out at the tent twiddling her thumbs waiting for you to come back.
@@harrylane4 - Supposedly, yes, but usually when I come back she's rooting around in the Supply Box or something. And yes, canonically, all the Hunter's Notes info is from her. That's good and useful.
Still not useful when she gives "advice" and then claims equal credit for the hunt.
I was just about to write the same comment, but i glad i found yours. The only npc who does not deserve hatred is serious handler and i was glad she exists that two hours when common handler got lost. Only good advices, cold, informative and respective interaction. When i went to hunt first time with her i thought "all this time i was suffering so much when the good handler was just around the corner. That lucky redhead bustard". And one more thing. Iceborne main story is about handler. And i can't even describe how careless i was during theese cut scenes. I mean, i was careless during any cut scene, but those which are not about her are just not so annoying.
The funny thing is how Im pretty sure the whole Serious Handler switch was intended for us to "long for our original partner" like "I found her annoying, but now I realize..." or somethin.
But it backfired and now we all just want Serious Handler. 😂 I can't be the only one who immediately checked for mods when Handler left.
I think the difference between the handler and the past title questgivers is that the old ones made like a sims noise with some easily skippable text that I personally never really read anyways vs the handler having a full dialogue line that gets repeated ad nauseam every time you do something that isn’t what you’re “not supposed to do” and it isn’t skippable
Bite me I've read all the Guildmarm dialogue
@quetzalpacheco i still disagree, i think it's more like the effect that you get when you see a character from a book adapted to a movie, the version your mind creates as you read much more personalized and appealing to you, versus a version that gets hamfisted and with no deliberation, also i would like to say that I like all of the characters in the caravaan from MH4U, they felt more like a family and each of them are memorable on their own
I mean people like the twins and they speak quite a bit.
@@n-aera Pretty much agree with this, if there's a trope that I absolutely despise and can't stand for even a second is this "forced cutesy" type of character. Usually in manga or things like that I can find them tolerable, but the moment I hear squeaky anime girl noises I want to blast them into the stratosphere.
That's your own fault for having it in English and not in the monster hunter language. It's an option you can turn on before you start your game so that's on you.
The handler sounds like a good character on paper. You see her concept art, you read her dialogue, her description. The game just did not do her right in execution. With that voice and jank facial expressions, going through the story 30hrs in. She hugs your cat for you, the flaws are just more noticeable than her strengths. It is valid reason to dislike her. I doubt the majority actually hate her, just that memes and videos exaggerate it to be more entertaining.
I would say the twin handlers in Rise wasn't easy to hate cause there wasn't a lot of them on screen, and the dialogue you read from them and the little animations make them charming. They did get weird with the monster mind reading, but their voices were subtle and less bubbly, even for Hinoa.
There also hunters too one uses a bow and the other uses a lance
Another thing I’m sure a lot of people actually care about is that many could argue they’re more attractive. Something you really should not care about, but a surprising amount of people do.
@@esssss8415 More "Attractive" yes, in the way that any woman that can handle a weapon and fight Apex monsters would be more attractive than the Handler. Even without seeing the girls from _Rise_ they're the characters most players would prefer. Let's not pretend like there aren't plenty of conventionally "attractive" characters (or even actresses) that audiences dislike.
bruh they're both so annoying in rise too cuz they have like one personality trait each: the village one likes bunny dango and the hub one likes her sister thats literally it
@@PotassiumLover33 Minoto (the hub one) likes to draw but gets embarrassed because she views her drawings as "bad," iirc her drawings are said to be too cute and don't properly convey the danger of the monsters.
It ain't misogyny man, it's much rather have the Serious Handler simply because she's personable AND professional.
The zoom ins is like someone who stands too close! Also sends the vibe of someone who would elbow you in the face everytime she sees something interesting!
i would of hated her just as much even if she was a guy lol
@@mayalewis2956 I would hate it even more if he was a guy
as somebody who plays a female hunter, shes just annoying
i wouldn’t hate her if she was less forcibly quirky
Man, I can't express how much I agree. I didn't really have an issue with her for most of the points SuperRad said, but I just find her annoying. The bit when you get paired with the serious handler was like heaven. In the end she said mostly the same things, but in a much less annoying way
You're talking a lot of sense for someone in Longsword tripping distance.
Here. Take some Flinch Free. I never leave home without it.
Just made my day dastroid.
"I used to be a hunter like you. Until I took a Spirit Roundslash to the knee(s).
@@SynysterProjects that a elabored way of saying that they cut of your half of your leg
@@guilhermegaspar752 suuuuuuure. Literally everyone else will get the reference lol
A consequence of her being so involved in the story, and even more so involved in the iceborn expansion, and when combined with the lack of player agency over the story direction. It leaves this feeling that you're playing from a second person POV.
The idea of being a badass character that hunts epic monsters, but gets more or less resigned to playing second fiddle to a character you have 0 influence over their design and interaction could, understandably, and probably should, rub people the wrong way.
I wasn't really aware of the bandwagon disdain for the handler until after I finished Iceborn, it was the shara ishvalda cutscene where I realized I wasn't really the main character anymore, the handler had so much growth and depth that it really outshines the trials and ordeals that the player has to go through to reach the end of the main expansion. In base game world, every few story quests, especially the gateway fights (anja, HR, Alt monsters) you'd have a cutscene or something where you get a proverbial pat on the back. Iceborn didn't feel like that, it was just, hey you did this hard fight, cool, hows the handler feeling today? Is she warm? Did she get enough sleep? Has she solved the mystery yet? No? Exposition dump time.
Adding onto this, that's also why i hate Nergigante. They just force him everywhere and let him take the credit. I killed Shara Ishvalda, but nope Nergigante did it and was the real hero. That doesn't make him cool, game, that just makes me hate your cutscenes more.
The biggest issue I have with The Handler is that she isn't The Admiral
Idk if that means that you want the admiral giving you quests and cooking for you as your handler or to see the handler 1v1 a Rajang as the admiral.
But I like both of those ideas.
@@kiss-shot_is_bae I'd love to see Handler body a Rajang now wtf
0/10 not enough monke man
@@kiss-shot_is_bae yes.
Why can’t everyone just be the admiral so that we can get admiral hunter world. Imagine: the handler, a-list hunter, serious handler, commander, field tema chief, tracker, the chef, the monsters themselves, all of them are admirals
The biggest issue I have with the handler is also one of her main character traits: childlike exuberance and wonder. She is constantly amazed at everything she sees and it is quite adorable and works well with her rounded cheeks and generally younger looking appearance. The problem is when that childlike wonder overrides common sense and she wanders in front of the hunter. She does this many times, and every time I feel my shoulder blades tighten and my brow furrow because we've been here before. She puts herself in danger, albeit unknowingly for the first few times, and it is that trait that I found most grating.
I get that we're in the new world and everything is wonderful and new and exciting. I love wandering through the landscapes and just vibing. It doesn't matter when I do it because its my job to throw hands with everything I find and for the most part I'm damn good at it. She isn't expected to have hunting experience, nor be a hunter at all. I think most of my gripes with her could be fixed if instead of running in front of me and then dropping a suprised pikachu face when she gets jumped by literally anything, she could instead be trailing the hunter as we scout the area and she gets attacked while the hunter is distracted or preoccupied. You change the dynamic in cut scenes from one of frustration at her putting herself in unknown/dangerous situations to one of fear and desire to protect someone that is weaker (combat wise) than the hunter. The first engenders potential resentment at having to babysit someone who should know better, the second promotes a more protective reaction as the handler was doing what would be reasonable and just gets targeted anyways.
The constant nagging is irritating, but not so much as to engender hatred. More just an annoyance, which isn't something you should associated with your primary work partner, but I can live with it. I definitely prefer the serious handler over the original because the serious handler is the one I vibe with best on a personal level. I've never liked talking simply to fill the silence, nor do I find it endearing.
Very insightful, well constructed and reasonable. Fantastic read that I agree with on all points, well done~
would be cool to choose our handlers personality and gender, even if its just choosing the serious handler or the one from world. seems like too much dev time for little actual gameplay return though
@@mattsen4297agreed.
Maybe the next one we get will have something like that? That would be cool if we could actually have a Handler we can be attached to with some choice as to who they will be.
Maybe not creating them but at least having a list of who we will be interacting with throughout the game.
Various personalities, various looks and ways of doing things.
To be fair I wasn’t a big fan of the serious handler, she was serious but that’s mainly so she can be the reasonable one for her main hunter (frankly I forget his name), they have the exact same dynamic as the player and their handler but the genders are swapped (and both of them actively speak…… just saying) I feel like the next game should have a handler like the World one, but then they start to learn how to be a team with the player character. Not even helping to take down monsters, just being able to heal the hunter while at camp or even just read out the currently hunted monster’s element weaknesses would be amazing
I remember there being side-dialogue stating that the Handler tends to push her work onto others to focus on her passions (documenting the different food in Astera). I forget where this was mentioned (I had a quick look around the hubs and it seems like the dialogue changes with the story, so I can't find it on my save) but I feel like it was someone in the cafeteria in Astera.
Plus my palico immediately went to her and I'm never forgiving that betrayal.
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@@SuperRADLemon I like how you focus on that part and not the other
@@naruspheal1831 the part that was more immediately able to be picked yea
@@Sword_Cowboy we're just misogynistic tho
same, and to add to that. We get the serious handler for a bit in iceborn and she looks over the handler's notes and is frustrated that most if not all the notes which remind you is supposed to be helping her partner fight monsters, is all about food and what can be eaten. If she likes food so much then dont be a handler and go into working the kitchen instead.
MHW was my first game in the series I played, I didn't have anyone around to influence me at the beginning or to get secondhand opinions about things in the game from. I still found the handler absolutely insufferable for a few reasons, her personality being perhaps the biggest reason, it felt like escorting around a curious toddler who never stopped talking and trying to touch everything, other reasons include her basically being the main character (which wouldn't be an issue if not for what i just mentioned) and just being the exposition garbage dump. If she were male, i'd still dislike her/him, If she had less of an active role in the story I'd still find her annoying but not intolerable, her design is fine and I don't really care how she looks... just the personality holy hell.
Yes this! This guy is ridiculous for making accusations of misogyny. Just her personality makes her less attractive, her face is fine but her personality and big mouth gives her that punchable vibe tbh. Even if it looked like the special online quest girls face I’d still find her insufferable and so would others. She reminds me of early season Elizabeth from 7 deadly sins, just overall FEELS useless, is overly nice and bubbly and naive when she’s a dang adult, she acts like a child which is supposed to be every incel’s wet dream personality. Not to mention all the other things people have already brought up, no one likes to be held back from playing their game or hearing her chatter all the time. Her motto is her in a nut shell, reckless and stupid. She’s a weak common female trope personality. I didn’t like her even without knowing that she was universally disliked. The only time I liked her was when she felt some remorse for the old woman hunter, who I would much prefer as a handler over the girl.
That's why Serious Handler's short stint is so refreshing, her personality is infinitely more enjoyable than the regular Handler's aggravating 5 year old attitude.
Fucking this dog, Why the fuck does she get a hug from MY palico? Actually made me mad.
Even though she was the main character of monster hunter, she didn't grow as a person or develop at all in a good or bad way
"If she was male I'd still dislike her" No you wouldn't. Excitable A-Lister is essentially male handler
The way that I see it, the hatred comes from a fundamental dissonance with her character. The Handler has the unfortunate fate of being a cliché, "Tutorial Girl" character. One of the most hated character tropes in video games. A character who constantly gives advice and information to the player, but is quickly rendered obsolete as the player learns the rules of the game themselves. And that advice rarely ever scales with the actual situation. You could be fighting a Nergigante and she still tells you that you need to dodge its attacks to avoid damage.
But what separates The Handler from others in this character trope is that she isn't a background character. She plays an active role in the story, even getting her own character arc. It's a really interesting thing to see, and I'm happy to see Capcom trying to play around with these tropes. Unfortunately, she never quite loses that Tutorial personality, despite her actions. She can be serious and helpful in a cutscene, but as soon as you start actually playing, she reverts to the same character she started as, which was not a well-liked one to begin with. The story does a good job differentiating her character and including a sense of growth, but the gameplay does not.
I would really like to see these kinds of characters have their dialogue change and stay relevant to the situation, but that's nearly impossible given the fact that every player's experience and knowledge of a game is different.
Almost like the infamous fi from legend of Zelda skyward sword.
That‘s why I like games like Dark Souls and Shadow of the Collossous, they don‘t have this character trope....or well even more then 10 characters that you can talk to
bro i got a tutorial of how to heal while fighting fatalis
@@wingsofhermes98 wait how?doesn't the healing tip only show up the first time you take damage?are you implying you attempted the no damage run that Teamdarkside did or am i missing something?
@@Rose-85 i took damage plenty of times but somehow the tutorial decided to pop up that late
I bought Monster Hunter World recently with no previous knowledge of the games.
Before i watch this video, I'm going to rant about the Handler and state my reasoning for disliking her. When i was introduced to her, i thought she was decent. It's her repeated damsel in distress thing that bothers me the most. If she just applied herself, she would be more than capable of at least making sure she can defend herself enough to get away from every monster that attacks her. How long she was able to hang onto Deviljho is proof of that. She just doesn't seem to learn any regard for her safety and always puts both herself and The Hunter in danger. If she even had a simple hunting knife or even upgraded her gear like the MC as time goes on recognizing the world as a dangerous place where she needs to constantly adapt just like the Hunter and became more cautious as time went on i think she'd be a lot more tolerable.
I think something a lot of people forget though too is that it's not just Meowscular Chef that cooks for and feeds your character, the Handler does it too back at the camps. That's about the only thing I can appreciate, she's an in the field support specialist. You can also see her fiddling with the supply chest after you leave, perhaps being the one who orders the items you are expected to need on hunts, potions and rations and cool drinks etc. Would explain why she's called the Handler and not "mobile quest board".
But idk, I'm just some guy.
Edit: I never dealed with the Handler's english voice. I went straight to the Monster Hunter Language, so i never dealt with "candy" voice.
Edit 2: Judging by the comments here, and your response to them... You were never interested in finding the REAL reasons people dislike the Handler. I myself got confused when the camera showed the Palico running toward us only for the adorable thing to jump into the Handler's arms and not ours too, a woman he/she just met. It was stated he/she was deathly worried about the Hunter when Zorah Magrados seperated them. It makes no sense for him to jump into a strangers arms.
You also mention her response to the Tracker being MIA for a bit, but I'm pretty sure they're related. That was NOT character development. She didn't cry after she nearly killed both of them in the Rotten Vale. She never shows any remorse for putting THE HUNTER in danger.
But whatever. Call everyone misogynistic all you want. Its not an argument. It's an attempt to silence people.
The only reason she dropped in my rating was the fact that when you hit HR and had to find Rathian, she had to tell you in TWO textboxes that you need to find more footprints. after every. single. hunt.
A point I wish to address is their is a large difference between being spoken at vs being spoken for.
In World (And MH Stories) your character is consistently spoken for by their companion, making it seem as if they were a side character, naturally this is to facilitate exposition in the games as they are both story heavy.
But it can create a lack of agency and animosity when your character is spoken to, only for an NPC to speak on your characters behest, instead of older games (and Rise) where your character is silent, but is presented in a way that implies that the hunter the one speaking.
I'd bring the parallels of hatred between Navirou and the Handler, but I cannot justify Navirou in my mind.
However, It is also quite possible that the hatred also comes form a more mechanical sense, I vividly recall the number of times the camera would force turn while I was fighting in the betas to make me look at a monster walking into the area and being told by the Handler "Oh, that's not the monster were looking for." as the creature I was hunting bodies me. I knooooow!
Attractiveness itself can be quite iffy as it comes down to personal preference, but it would be silly to assume that how attractive people find her is entirely independent of their opinion of her personality. I cannot imagine finding someone I abhor physically attractive. I would argue you are more likely to find someone you do like as more attractive & tolerable, and that we are more likely to dislike someone the more time we spend with them, with the guild gals of old having a couple quick quips vs the ever present Handler in every cutscene.
I agree with this so much, like in the case of destiny, where you have the silent guardian and the ghost who speaks for you. Generally it wasn't too bad up until forsaken when the emotions are too high and your character *NEEDS* to speak
I'm gonna comment as I watch:
1 - The Handler being in 'Extreme' and helpless danger those times were three times, too many. The apparent lore and backstory on the Handler is that she's a Hunting Horn expert and has seen her fair share of Monsters..and kicked their asses with an HH. None of these cutscene's actually ever lived up to how competent she was SUPPOSED to be.
2 - These 'A-Listers' aren't 'green'. They're new to the region, yes. But you're telling me an A-List hunter is so 'green' they couldn't take on a Rath? Really...a monster they have thousands of in the Old World and would have been hunted by 'A-Listers'. Not really bying that.
3 - The Hunter shouldn't -have- to protect her. She's a hunter, that's hunted with the hunting horn. She should APPARENTLY know how to defend herself.
4 - Why is the Handler being defended for almost getting the Tracker killed? Again, she's on this expedition with other A-List hunters. Like Aiden, who as we saw in the animated film; is FAR from green. These instances where she WAS reckless as fuck and needed to be saved put the others around her at risk, which is the unforgivable part. We're all hunters here, we willingly fight world ending monsters and put ourselves in danger. Not OTHERS.
5 - This is where I take a hard left turn into giving you A LOT of things. The Handler did do a lot..but it was A LOT of off screen 'science' exhibition. The theatrical, "Oh my god I suck so bad, but I'm really the McGuffin carrying the story!" anime trope. The, "I've contributed nothing of value, until it's revealed all of my nothing -was- the value the entire time." Which, none of this is the characters fault. From a narrative and a character building stand point, this is fine. But in the world of a video game, a -VISUAL- stimulus. Not seeing this progress actually happen is a problem. The -game- visually presents her as a reckless, cowardly, n'er-do-anything that just cooks and eats all of our fucking food, while the -narrative- is trying to tell us she's the glue of the group. Which is REALLY fucking jarring. It's a problem that a lot of games, and even films have when they fail. ----So this isn't really the Handler being at fault, but the visuals misrepresent the character.
6 - That agency complaint is weird and stupid.
7 - Bubbly 'I want to eat all the time' is pretty much a universally hated trope, add it "Pard" and it's just annoying. "Doodle" and Plushies gives very...Older caretaker vibes? It's like, Guildmarm is doting older sister vibes and Handler is very dysfunctional cousin desperately trying to be relevant in our lives vibes.
8 - I wish my reasons for disliking her were so, easily generalized as 'muh unattractive'. But I honestly found the handler, looks wise. Is..very much the conventional style of attractive. At least to me, but there are many MANY times when it just seemed like someone fucked up when rigging her jaw. She LOOKS like a Monster Hunter girl. She has a wider jaw, thicker body proportions, broader shoulders...so the idea that people don't like her because she's not 'conventionally' attractive is, kind of scuffed? Because even the player character Hunter females are ALL unconventionally attractive by design. But..accidental digression I'm not retyping. Despite this, there have been plenty of frames that made her look 'fat' which wasn't even 'fat' looking. In most of the games scenes she had a very strong and defined facial shape, but then every now and then the surface/skin rigging fucks up and completely mangled her appearance by linking physical flesh from the jaw to a much lower point on her neck than it actually was; making an almost uncanny valley inhuman look that ended up being used as the 'Omg they made a fat female." and was completely off base of how she actually looked most of the time.
MY Conclusion: There's no reason this A-Lister couldn't have been featured in at least one or two scene's with her trusty hunting horn, being an -actual- partner to us as the hunter. It's even more annoying considering the hunting horn is like -THE- supporting hunter's weapon. She should have been shown, doing more of the things we were supposed to -care- about her doing. She's a good character narratively that was wasted with terrible presentation. I would have much more respect for her, and her personality (except for "Pard". That's just fucking unforgivable) if she was shown to be the active, and participating character they wanted her to be based on her background.
If you don't know how to crossline, don't try.
Don't ever cross words again.
@THE LORDE honestly, this guy made an entire video just to sum hating the Handler as misogyny. Fucking CRINGE
Totally agree with point number 5, I couldn't have said it better
Where can I find The Handler Lore where it says she's a HH user?
"Actively showing off their personalities"
Their what now? Is this some sort of secret monster because i cant find it anywhere in the game... Except in cats, a chief cat who cooks meals has more personality than the entire human cast thay ranges from "Generic guy" "Generic guy with authority" to "Cute girl"
She also decided that investigating where the admiral goes missing in the guiding lands is a good idea, just to almost get kamehameha'd by rajang. Like idk she probably should have just waited until the hunters made the area safe for her to begin with. Works in alot of the situations tbh, no need for her to LARP as a hunter.
Then again could just be bad writing.
Well I on my side ignored her, because mh was never about Story and so I just don’t care. Ok a Little Bit is always there but it’s definitely not important
@@flamingdeathbanana a who? And b whats that?
@@flamingdeathbanana ok guess I didn’t watch it fully
Actually, IIRC weren't we tracking down Kirin and that happened to be where the Admiral was?
And she also got the hell out of there as soon as it was safe and feasible to do so. She wasn't dumb, the situation just went crazy fast.
@@daefaron she shouldn’t come with us in the first place
It's actually simple, she stood in the way of me having fun with my friends. While it's a development issue with world trying to really increase single player gameplay elements, when you want to play multiplayer having the first 10-15 minutes of every hunt being locked to single player while you listen to the handler speak in unskippable scenes and continue during the other parts with "advice" most of which can be simplified to try hitting the monster with your weapon it isn't hard to understand why she is associated with the bad parts of the game. This association only amplified by the fact that it literally shows her face while she is talking to you giving you a direct visual as the NPC preventing you from immediately playing with friends.
Single player MH > Multiplayer Monster Hunter
@@juice2307 Exact opposite for me, single player just feels grindy, MP makes the grind enjoyable because I'm having fun with friends
@@moore9793 I can understand that. For me, multiplayer is just too easy, and it just seems cheap. I love the thrill of single player hunting, because it feels like a real hunt. I think that multiplayer is best left to the mobile MH series.
@@juice2307 I play lots of single player too, but if they want to go down that path I feel like they should dedicate the entire game to it, then they could make it more open world and have all kinds of cool shiz. I don't believe mh is better as a single player game though I would like to see them attempt it sometime to give the single player crowd some love
I always just thought she had a fat ass while I killed monsters lul
I'm a woman. I hate her. I really don't think it's a gender or attraction issue.. Hilarious to hear somebody say "It might be uncomfortable..." when given the context. Also, I think any reason for disliking somebody is valid. Emotions and feelings exist if somebody validates them or not. "I don't like her because I think her feet might smell" - Makes no sense, but I'm not going to argue with somebody over it, or pretend that their feelings aren't acceptable.
My problem was the deviljho quest. After finishing it, she says “we did it”, seemingly completely ignoring the fact that the entire reason the hunter went through that effort was to save her and taking credit when it felt like all she did was sit and be in danger.
you went on the field TOGETHER in the first place to track the monster, so yeah WE is appropriate
@@lorenzodanese2742 yep, we went on the field together, she walked into a moronic situation where she had to be saved, the hunter saved her and then she took credit for that success
The we is still not accurate bro 💀
You are right...because SHE NEVER SAID WE DID IT IN THAT QUEST. She specifically said YOU DID IT after you beat Deviljho.💀
Also, What is this moronic situation you talking about? Getting jumped by a monster doesn't make it your fault. The hunter gets paired with the handler to work better on the field, one fighting and the other gathering information. It is risky walking in the forest, but that's exaclty we are sent with her.
@@lorenzodanese2742 so then why did you say "the we is accurate" in your initial comment... I was going off of what you said, you were literally wrong there so why should I be taking the blame for responding to it
I was being a bit hyperbolic with the "moronic" statement, she was being a bit dumb but its also a video game and I understand that. But the handler deserves no credit for that quest. If she had said we, I'd still agree with my comment, you're saying she didn't and that's fine but then your original comment is inaccurate...
This game was my first introduction to the series so I don’t have anything to compare it with in terms of Monster Hunter lore, but I kinda also found her annoying because I felt like she was shoehorned into being the main character over the character who is literally fighting dragons the size of trucks or even homes.
The “happy go lucky” personality the handler had (regardless if it was a male or female) did to me feel like that annoying kid in school announcing everything with more enthusiasm than necessary.
I think the biggest issue on why the handler was the case was that this game apparently had quite the story to tell, and many games like to have the main character be silent like in every Pokémon game. The main character has no personality and is basically a yes-man to the plot. That’s where the handler was wedged in. There was ways the game could have done this without it being annoying. MANY games has done this too, but rarely has any of them made me feel like the verbal partner of the silent protagonist is taking over.
One thing that actually did frustrate me was when she shouted “YAY! We did it!!” When giving a monster I was having difficulty with and my response was, “what do you mean WE!?”.
I’m sure there are many games that have had examples of a vocal partner to a (at least mostly) silent protagonist that has worked well. Someone post some examples as a reply.
Yeah I talk about a lot of this in the video
She became weirdly attached to the old scout lady for some reason. I mean yeah the lady saved us once, but why does the handler act like the lady is her mom? Other people saved her too. The admiral, the hunter, etc.
She also put us, the hunter, in many dangers. Remember the first time we fight Velkana in Elder's Recess? Everything was fine until the handler shows up, got targeted, and we had to take hit for her. And she never learns.
She wants dommy mommy
I wish the Admiral was my Handler...
@@Abedeuss me too, friend
In the Japanese version the Handler refers to the Tracker the way a child refers to their grandmother, so there could've been a familial relationship there that wasn't made obvious in the English (or other) language.
Because the old lady was her role model
Am I the only person who was just like "it's fine handler, just stay back and let me murder my enemies"?
I disliked the unskippable Cutscenes and handholding moments more
No, no you aren't. You just happen to be in a very small minority of the community. Not saying that's bad, just letting you know that for the most part, people fall into three groups here. Those that hate the handler, those that are like yourself, and those that neither like or dislike her.
@@wubraxco4836 Eh, it's fine.
It's a bit concerning to see a mass of people screeching over like one of 3 Questladies. Sure she is more prominent but the monsters and you are objectively the real Stars.
Also very concerning that people spent time modding a fat handler just to...say...something...bad about handler I guess?😅🤷♂️ like those modders didn't leave it at handler = bad.
Sometimes I just don't get "that part" fandoms is what I'm saying
Was it lost on people that the handler is a HANDLER not a hunter?-
same tbh I'm indifferent and kinda like her design but I just hate being forcefed tutorials.
I love her, she reminds me of quests, feeds me, great earnest character(I have a cat with great judgement of character and some. People hate her for the hug in the beginning and I'm like wow, my cat doesn't hate her)
She doesn't always handle herself the best but that's not really her job, there's no I in team and it's a single player game😅
Reasons for my immeasurable hate for the handler:
1. She grins like the grinch.
2. My Palico hugged her instead of me.
3. She. Never. Stops. Talking.
4. she gets into deadly situations. INTENTIONALLY!
5. she says "WE" did it!, Excuse me? who has the big ass sword fighting the big ass monster?
And the last and most important...
6. "Hey Pard! Hey Partner!"
I lost all my respect for her late in Iceborne when in the rajang cutscene she just stared at a death laser coming at her instead of moving at all. Anyone this far in the guild should at least be capable of knowing how to react to monster attacks.
What if the rajang was dressed like Vegeta tho
Oh really come on just because you can dodge them in game doesn't mean everyone in game can not everyoneis a hunter. You said yourself it was a Rajang anybody would freeze and it actually happens when something comes towards you and you don't have enough time to react. So am I to assume just because you know how to drive a car you should know how to avoid it without getting hit and unscaved? Keep in mind it can happen at any time and you're in different situations and even if you see it you have only seconds to react because you're in disbelief that it's coming towards you.
@@stormsoul3162 also dont get me fucking started on her calling me pard....from the moment she said it i hated it....
@@anubisgodess2353 ^This. Handler isn't a hunter, so it's unreasonable to expect her to react like one. ESPCIALLY when the vast majority of experienced hunters would likely get one shot by rajang's laser without ever even getting to react, to begin with. It really bears mentioning that our hunter is basically a god amongst other hunters, to an unreasonable degree. Expecting a normal ass human to dodge a beam of lightning is kind've silly when you really think about it
@@anubisgodess2353 I haven't even got to this part in the game but if we wanna talk realistic, the "freeze up" argument isn't one you can use. The term battle hardened comes to play here. Take someone who has witnessed death tens if not hundreds of times and see if they flinch or freeze up in times of violence. Doubtful. Side note: being able to actually dodge a laser is insane and therefore is not something I'm debating lol
This is coming from a female perspective:
The handler is disliked because she is obnoxious, because her story is pushed to the forefront of the entire game's story, you're forced to be partnered with her immediately from the get go and she becomes more of a main character than you.
Her development and her character basically become more important than you in the story even though you are the one playing.
Another thing is that her personality itself is quite jarring and obnoxious for the majority of players and is a commonly disliked personality by many people in the real world as well.
The people you claimed are women-hating or over sexualising her do that with alllll female characters in every game they play, it's what they do. Those people are also the ones who would claim she is ugly because they are used to conventionally pretty faces. You should probably discount what those people think about stuff like this because their rating approval for female characters depends on how screwable they are and that's about it.
I personally don't find her ugly, I just think her facial animations are a bit janky sometimes, the overall lip sync work in the game is doo doo, we all know that and her obnoxious personality being forced in your face 24/7 makes you want to avoid her. That's why the serious handler was a breath of fresh air for people regardless of whether she had much of a personality or not. She was a lot calmer less obnoxious than The Handler, her energy didn't overpower every scene she was in(and yes, it helped that the serious handler is conventionally pretty. People like pretty faces, it's a natural human instinct to like whatever the conventionally pretty face is, it's one of the ways we judge people. But people often prefer personality over looks anyway so it doesn't matter much at all.)
In the end, I personally just ended up wanting to avoid the handler, stopped caring about her story completely and wished we could see our own characters do more things story-wise since that is one of the reasons we invest so many hours into the game.
As a female, you pretty much got it dead on. The game focused way too much on her and her shitnanigans than you and your exploits. She causes more trouble than she's worth for what? For the sake of looking cute? That's not cute, it's annoying. Her only identity is her gluttony and pechant for food and any edible wild things. There's honestly not much of a personality there because all she talks about is food. Well, and maybe the part in IB about her grandfather and the crystal or whatever. Personally, I think she's harsh on the eyes. As a joke, I just dress her up as Mr. X to help me forget about her.
The Serious Handler was done well and she's deceptively simple in terms of design/personality. She works hard, she's professional and easy to approach. She's even a little self-critical and that part is what I found so endearing. It's something relatable and it makes her that much more likable.
I swear if the devs made it to where you can have the Serious Handler permanently, I'd kill anything for her. Even Fatalis, which I haven't beaten yet. 😅
Notice how your comment doesn't get a like from the author because it doesn't fit his ridiculous misogyny narrative.
Oh yeah, and why would he like it? It’s the uncomfortable truth from a female gamer and is a popular opinion for all mhw gamers, goes against his whole video philosophy.
@@zawarudoz That's fine? I didn't post for brownie points. I just wanted to share my opinion of her as a woman and how even she's hated by female players.
Honestly, I didn't even watch the video. 🙃
I was referring to the comment OP emPoison but yeah, you're not missing anything. He spends 20+ minutes dancing around the "tHeY hAtE WoMeN" place the video is obviously heading toward only to finally go there and suggest it's misogyny because she's not a hot waifu. Makes perfect sense, because in every Handler hating post they always talk about how much they also hate the plot centric wrinkled old lady Tracker, right?
It's important to also realize that, for anyone who's first MH game isn't World, this is the first time such a character has been thrown at them in the series. Always, regardless of the fact of the female quest giver's presence, personality, or appearance, that's all they were. They gave you your quests, gave the occasional funny line, and sent you on your way.
For World, you are forced, yes forced as you can't skip cutscenes or the walking escort missions, to sit there and listen to a character just talk about this and that while you wait to be able to hunt monsters again. Something that pretty much never happened in any of the other games, with the closest exception being 4U.
It doesn't really matter that she has a role in a team. This 'Hunter/Handler' idea was and still is only a factor for World. I don't really care WHAT character is the Handler in this situation, being forced to stop the main point of MH, being to hunt monsters, and listen to a character talk, and especially talk for you, would be annoying. Handlers being introduced and having such a loud, bubbly personality be the one your stuck with for the whole game is the issue, for both mechanical and story reasons. The game treats itself like you are obligated to like the Handler as well because of her role.
Regardless of perceived sexual attractiveness when it comes to Kamura Twins in Rise, they already show a refinement of the Handler. They never serve to impede your progress in hunting monsters, rarely ever speak in the middle of gameplay, there's far fewer cutscenes in general as well as being able to skip them, and don't even have the perceived helplessness issue of the Handler because they aren't out in the field with you and can be summoned during Rampages to lend a hand like the other villagers. They are conceptually what the Handler should be. Someone who helps and doesn't feel like they get in the way of your own enjoyment.
Perhaps, should they ever try this Handler concept again, maybe make them a proper extension of the Hunter by letting the player customize them like their hunter? They'd probably be limited to one voice still, or two if they feel generous enough to allow having a male Handler. Otherwise, a way to create a connection between Player and Handler is to make the Handler more like the Player's own character, so that both halves of the Hunter/Handler team are what the Player wants them to be.
They probably wouldn't do it though, cause then how will they sell all those SUPER SEXY DLC costumes for your super likeable Handler girl?
Honestly I seriously feel like if they do the Handler thing again they need to make the Handler actually have combat experience and not be a damsel in distress negligent to danger. There's a Guild Gal that actually has hunting experience in Generations, why are no Handlers like that?
My friend, Dragon’s Dogma pawns are calling your name. Not perfect but basically what you said here.
@@Rays326 "Wolfs hunt in packs!"
"It ill likes fire!"
"Masterworks all, can't go wrong."
I loved the Serious Handler when we had her in Iceborne, because she was there to actually do the job. She even has a line where she comments on the notes your normal Handler has, and how it's mostly about food, not monsters. Give me Serious Handler, she has her shit together. Lol.
Couldn't have said it better myself, these were my exact thoughts
If I recall the story correctly, your hunter is a part of the research expedition group. The handler doesnt do anything on screen (fighting, etc) because she is meant to be something like your secretary. She will handle all the paperwords in regards to whatever you will discover in the field so you can focus on bashing monsters skulls and cutting tails, etc.
She also is directly stated by another Handler, the Serious Handler, to not do this work. She questions why the player character is doing all the work for the monsters, as the Handler's own notebook is filled predominantly with new dish ideas, potential meals, etc.
My main annoyance was how she constantly put herself in danger for no reason and never learned from her mistakes. The part in Iceborne where the player has to save her from Velkhana was the final straw for me.
the funny part is shes supposed to be the best like sure she cant fight thats fine but she should know better than to do all the shit she does ,serious handler manages just fine
Lol it's just a running gag
considering how much I put myself in danger without knowing, eh, I think that's fair.
@@Hooy-Jaymay we are a hunter though lol we can defend ourself at least
She's a masochist.
Alright, here's the comment I said I'd make back on twitter. There will be no TL;DR - I need to ensure that only like 3 people read this:
There are three main points of where gameplay and story intertwine to really do the handler real dirty:
1. The handler is framed as someone to be rescued. Rather than emphasizing anything active that she does, the cut-scenes where she is most prominently featured have her in distress. The short clip where she pushes the cart out of the way is an extremely tiny moment in an otherwise action-packed cut-scene. The people who hate the handler focus on her being passive because that's primarily how she's presented! It seems like you've watched the cut-scenes of MHW for this video: how often are the handler's skills emphasized in the cut-scenes? And as a bonus question, how often are these skills emphasized in an exciting way? I'd assume the number is very low.
2. The handler is given a big story role but a very minor gameplay role. For example, her cut-scene cooking for you is very underplayed and is also associated with making a mistake (not eating before going on a hunt). Contrast that with the over-the-top cut-scenes of the palico chefs (the only NPCs that I clearly remember from MHW/IB). In addition to cooking for you, the handler also holds a book open with an animation that I didn't realize could be sped up until like 50 hours into the game. These will subconsciously make bad associations with the Handler, even if the beef people really have is with MHW's systems.
3. The handler's characterization is easily skippable. Most of the handler's development doesn't happen in regular gameplay -- it doesn't even happen in the mid-hunt shoutouts. It happens during these often bloated cut-scenes, that (for me, at least) got in the way of the only thing I care about in Monster Hunter: noggin bonking. To be invested in the handler, one has to first be invested in NOT ONLY watching the cut-scenes, but paying attention to them and retaining the information contained within. Asking regular gamers to do that is a tall order. I was stuck in the crashed airship for like an entire day before I figured out I could leave back to the main hub.
These three points, however, absolutely PALE in comparison to the fact that, when one posts online, getting angry gets more engagement than being happy.
This. The internett needs more people like this
Well said.
Honestly, something as simple as having you get your Monster and Endemic Life Field Guide info from her instead of from the old Wyverian guys might have made her feel like she contributed more.
@@Nyahahameha exactly what i thought as well it would have seemed like she put in the hours of Research while u were hunting.
"Nogging bonking" found the hammer user. But seriously, sole pretty fair points
Hey, she found the pickle before me. I'm not one to take someone else's prey, so I went to study endemic life while she handled the situation.
hot take, "pickle" is as obnoxious as "pard" dont at me
@@lunafoxfire thats about as big of a hot take as "the b52 goose commits pearl harbour"
@@twilightsparkle75 hey i said dont at me
@@lunafoxfire now everyone will @ you relentlessly.
@@lunafoxfire yeah, I didn't really have anything to say to you tbh.
What's more insulting from the Handler was that she felt more to cry for the the Tracker's safety more than yourself (who has been clapped numerous times, and near death). The Tracker is practically a stranger to her bro wtf.
You’re the nigh-unstoppable hunter. Even when you take a nuke straight to the face, the worst thing that happens to you is that you’re knocked out and have to be wheeled back to camp by a couple palicos.
If we are being fair, if the Tracker were to die, a lot of research and knowledge would die with her
To be fair the hunter is essentially a demigod so it makes sense
Regarding the "As green as they get", i disagree with that. In the starting cutscene, we are called "A-Listers", we are as well trained as well "equiped" as hunters go, we are the cream of the crop of the hunters the guild has produced, and SENT there with our consent to the new world for research and exploration. We should conduct ourselves with that level of experience (even if it is only in training) and not like some anime character who screams FRIEND POWERRRRRRRRRR.
I do not believe this is the right way of thinking about it. The player Hunter being an "A-list" hunter does not mean they have full on experience dealing with monsters that hail from a completely different region then what they are likely used to. There's a big difference between training and genuine experience. Training prepares, experience fortifies.
It's like a college graduate coming fresh from earning their degrees. Yes you have the technical knowledge and know how but do you have actual on hand experience?
@@megamania1436 You are right, but we have the best training that the guild has given us. Its like soldiers. We have the marines, the drivers, the supply lines, and then we have the A-listers, the commandos, seal team 6 or whatever fk. They all might not have gone through real combat, but the way they carry themselves, the way they conduct themselves are different. One is JUST another soldier, the other is THE soldier.
@@jonathantio7531 fam, no offense, but we know that you comparing it with real world military just shoots your own foot.
The best trained marines tried to attack placed they were not trained for TWICE.
And both times it was the worst nightmare for those soldiers because they were better trained, the enemy was better prepared and informed, tho.
Training is nothing if you do not have the training for the unexpected and that unexpected thing happens.
I.e. a monster rarely anyone has ever seen or even data about. It's literally like a veteran of MH getting thrown into a fight they never fought before. They will not perform as good as they can, period.
@@neros_soren many of these monsters that we fight in the new world are monsters we have seen bar a few. And the monsters from the old world are vastly more savage compared to those new ones introduced in the new world. Even deviljho is a old world monster.
@@jonathantio7531 you lack the ability to read or you decide to misinterpret my reply on purpose.
The real world has taught us:
No matter the training, fighting in a different environment can make everything null and void. So your argument about "most monsters are returning ones" is not even towards the point I made.
You were pointing to a real world equivalent in hopes of it giving your stance validity, but the opposite is the fact.
I prefer it when they stayed as the quest giver. They're a goddamn annoyance on the field.
In rise though, I don't mind. The NPCs are goddamn beasts. I don't mind having them on the field against apex mons.
Yea cause one has a glorified sling shot for their only weapon, while the npcs in Rise pull up with literal gatling guns, lance gear, ninja swords/weapons.
You can tell the Rise devs listened to feedback over how useless the NPCs in World were and made the Rise NPCs badasses in response
@@carbodude5414 yeah that was my biggest gripe, guys in world only exist in cutscenes, you do everything solo and then at the end of it they pop up like they were there and go We did it! Bitch what we it was just me
That's their job
An overly jovial character that acts before thinking, gets in trouble, states the obvious, is blind to consequence and is overly remorseful when a mistake is made.
The character doesn’t feel like a Handler, they feel like a child that’s following me about the place
This right here is exactly it.
You just described seemingly every player when alatreon dropped
Did you even watch the video? She repeatedly recognizes her actions and the consequences thereof (think crying and apologizing to the tracker when she was attack by the Odogoron), and only is in trouble twice throughout the entirety of the game.
You’re deeply overplaying the actual traits of the character for pretty much no reason my guy
@@porkupineexe6862 Where did I say that she can’t recognise her mistakes?
I even said that her being overly remorseful at her own mistakes is one of the child like mentalities she has
@@CuriosityMisledMe I actually pretty specifically talk about the CONSEQUENCES of her actions (again, she constantly recognizes her mistakes AND the consequences of her actions, the odogoron attack is still an example of this.)
So whenever you want to stop being a pedant and address the fact that you said “she is blind to consequence” I’m here brody
To me, she just has a combination of uncanny valley face and a sense that she is completely unqualified; like she snuck onto the fifth fleets boat as a stowaway. In fact, if that was part of her issue in canon, that might actually make her more like-able!
wdym? her face is perfectly fine, very cute even. nothing uncanny about it
i agree, i dont think any human even if not conventially attractive would be proportioned like her, that's the main reason i dislike her
I put her in the cat suit and never had any more issues. Though when i got the serious handler i kept her for a bit for the bits of unique interactions that occur. Did you know she too interacts with the steam works but instead of adding to the chaos she's trying to stop it saying "Hey guys, come-on"
Yeah it's rng on who shows up. I only found that out recently
My fiancé is playing through this game for the first time. Shortly after the Great Jagra quest, without any prompting from me, she said “I don’t like the handler she is annoying”.
I think for us, it’s her tone of voice and attitude we don’t like, it’s just grating, and the story revolving around her in many scenes gets obnoxious.
I use Japanese try that
Shes fine in the japanese audio
@@sonofhell98 fax
just play it in the unga bunga language lol
Bruh I already hated her since the start of the game, the feeling of designing your palico for two hours and then them having to hug her and not me despite having met her 20 minutes ago is soul crushing, I don’t think I’ve fully recovered from the fact that Mr Sniffles looked at her with a wide smile while I die inside from the sideline watching the tragedy happen.
ive always felt like im in the minority as someone who spent 600hrs in mhw complimenting her iceborne pants
they look real good
Her outfit in iceborne is really cute
I REALLY like her outfits, (this includes the event ones), they go from cute to gorgeous to silly, I specially give kudos to the dev team for going out of their way to make her event outfits distinct enough from the ones used by the receptionists at the hub
She had outfits? *looks at my modlist*
Oh thats why
she wore pants? guees I've been looking at her wrong.
I can't say the handler is ever as or more important than the hunter. They are literally on an island its not hard to find a monster, all she does is read a few books and point to the next thing you have to fight. It would be like looking through a drone to tell a soldier where the enemies are and when he fights tooth and nail for his life and comes back and you're like "We did it, Wow were so cool!". How could you not feel insulted?
You have clearly never actually had to do any research. It's taxing in a very different way from physical work, but it will drain you just as thoroughly.
It's just likely to outright _end_ you.
@@citizen_grub4171wow, that was incredibly cringe. Comparing reading books to fighting building sized monsters. Yeah. Makes sense.
@@VDViktor Research is progression lmfao. Why do you think they ask you to bring back live monsters? So they can STUDY. How many times did you get your ass whipped by a monster you weren't familiar with? Probably quite a few :) You don't know something it can outright kill you regardless of how 'good' you are because you're ignorant. What you said literally makes zero sense. Maybe you should pick up a book and give it a try.
@@VDViktor'Reading books' doesn't cut it. You just demonstrated it by being completely inept to comprehend short sentences. How many books/articles have you ever read? I wonder if it'd be enough to write a single review article.
@@nilsonrobertoabadias5244 which sentence did I “not comprehend” exactly, Mr. Dunning-Krueger?
First off, how dare you doubt the Poogie luck
I feel as though there's a really large aspect of this that you're ignoring and that's the popularity of Monster Hunter World. MHW was incredibly well received and reviewed and then made very readily available to people through Steam and as such brought many new players into the series. I bring this up because a big selling point of your argument is that the handler is unfairly hated compared to similar characters in other games. In regards to her speaking for the player your entire rebuttal is "that's how monster hunter is and has always been" but if you look at it through the eyes of a new player it is really easy to see how they might pin that annoyance on the handler.
A couple of minor points I get that the handler was not in direct danger except for a few times, but you have to understand that the encounter with the jagras literally serves as the player's introduction to the handler in the field, so after that it really only needs to be revisited a couple more times to be cemented as a 'character trait'. Also a big part of the reason that her bubbly, annoying nature grated on people is that she is contrasted with the main character. It's as you said, they spend the most time together, so it gets really tiring dealing with the handler when the stoic, competent main character is standing right behind her (a stoicism and competence that is maintained regardless of whether the MC is a male or female). I also do think it is strange to attribute some of her hate to her physical appearance when A. she's almost objectively beautiful, yeah the game engine causes some uncanny valley but that's not her fault, and B. people don't have any issue with the Tracker a 50+ year old female who looks it.
The main character isn't stoic. They are a void of characterization. IE: Most of anime.
"but if you look at it through the eyes of a new player it is really easy to see how they might pin that annoyance on the handler." As someone who started with Stories 2(and hasn't gone backwards, this video is the first I'm actually hearing of World beyond "it exists"), I'm gonna pin it on Navirou even in preceeding games he's not present for and you can't stop me.
@@Amrylin1337 and with just 3 words you dashed the validity of your viewpoint in the head with a boulder
@@Amrylin1337 You mean most main characters in any RPG because they are meant to be controlled by you their personality is meant to be your personality
Agreed, this dude is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill accusing people of misogyny. She’s made less attractive by her personality alone, her being a little more attractive might ease the pain for some people but most would still be annoyed by her.
funny thing is,
the japanese player have the same take with english player regarding the handler.
Did you forget that it's her fault that we got knocked down into the rotten vale off the coral highlands? Our hunter heard the approach of a monster and had to actively save the handler from her recklessness and caused us to be trapped in the rotten vale.
Uh? No she didn't i rewatched the cutscene: you descend from the third fleet, and she helps you set up camp, sending off some girros to do so
@@lorenzodanese2742 wrong cutscene. they're referring to the cutscene after the first Zorah Magdaros fight. where you go through the ravine and enter the highlands for the first time
It's not that she's reckless. (which she is at points in the story) It's that she doesn't Learn from it. in the opening of the game it is stated that both you and her are A-listers; and like you said she states that you shouldn't pick a fight without a weapon. Yet she stops to check out tracks knowing Full well we have no way to protect her. Yet stops to look at some tracks? No, get your ass to Astera woman, you can do that Owe a piece of candy bs AFTER I get my charge blade! As for the deviljho scene. She goes out in the field W/O us (or a weapon of her own to protect herself I mean come on Grab a SnS or something.) aka no one or thing to protect her and you really think that a so called 'A-lister' handler doesn't find any signs of that pickle roaming about. Sorry, but no.. Yes she shows remorse. but like I said she doesn't Learn from said mistakes. She comes off like an annoying little sister who never listens. I do agree her VO could have done a better job. as for her appearance the only thing that really bothered me was in her cooking animation on release of the game that is. Her lower lip when she would smell the food seems to sink into the lower part of her face and the nod afterwards seemed off and freaked me out.
As a CB Main i love the idea of the hunter to tell her move your ass women let's rock AFTER i get my better half back ... and my cat...
Isn't it common for researchers and others to go out into the wilds by themselves without weapons tho? There's npc out there just minding their own business without weapons, and as far I remember, pickle was never spotted in the new world till recently, and were hard to catch and study due to how violent and powerful they are.
@@prototype1029 Not really. I would put to them not having weapons when we com across them as a flop on capcoms end and you disprove you own point when it comes to the pickle. He aggressively marks territory and like you said violent. He can create tremors just by walking. The animals in that area would know if there was a pickle around. (the aptanoth getting into her bag is a young one. SO I doubt it had the awareness to realize there was a pickle about.)
@@HaydenBlackhawk Well you can hate her for your reasons, and I'll love her for mine
ive never notice that but now that i have. i will never unsee it. Ah! Dang it!!! Now i need that palico costume for it.
Yeah I just didn’t like the cutscenes during quests stopping me from co op, and when she’s in every cutscene and starts giving advice I’ve already heard, I start to have a bit of disdain for her, I do honestly quite enjoy her excitement for all things new world though
Valid
when you get the uh. tracker? at very late game i think at the start of the icebourne dlc? the research lady, she didnt talk much, tried to stay serious and stoic, but still sometimes her excitement and everything shows through and she even catches herself being like "ah, im sorry i should stay professional"
So, I think a part of the reason people take the position of "WE? What do you mean WE?!" might have part to do with self-insertion as the player Hunter. What do I mean by this?
Most of the Handler's discoveries, point-outs, and other contributions were things where I, as the player outside of the game, thought to myself "Well, duh" or "you just put that together?" such as the purpose of the Rotten Vale. And I think this mentality translates to how some people feel about the Handler. The degree of separation between what the Hunter AS THE CHARACTER would know/put together, instead of the Hunter AS THE PLAYER, is often very loose.
I often see this happen with a lot of characters in books, movies, or Roleplay - where people will dislike characters they see as "dumb" or "reckless" due to out-of-character assessments they make. Assessments that, in-character, might not be so blatantly obvious. Especially when in the heat of the moment.
Just my thought on the matter, good video!
Well said. World/Iceborne is the only MH game I've played so far, so I had no real expectations for how the creators characterize people im-game. So, when moments where characters failed to make conclusions/observations that I made, I definitely thought things like "What are you guys thinking, it's obviously xyz."
But, I never understood why people dislike The Handler. She's adorable, energetic, and super sweet. Like a goofy, sometimes ditzy, close friend you'd remember from school.
@@buragi5441 I can see where you are coming from. If one were to look at the dynamic between the Hunter and Handler in a purely professional point-of-view, then saying that the Handler is supposed to be a support role - a non-combatant - would be a fair assessment to make. And as such, should be doing everything she can to keep herself out of harm's way (and in doing so, stay out of the Hunter's way).
That being said, the Handler definitely suffers from Damsel-In-Distress Syndrome several times for the sake of plot convenience. One particular scene that comes to my mind (and one the video didn't mention, peculiarly enough) is the cutscene where they cut through the Great Ravine and arrive in the Coral Highlands for the first time. Instead of taking proper care and assess her surroundings for danger, the Handler just ZOOMS off to explore - her lack of attention resulting in the Hunter having to pursue and try to save her after the Legiana sneak attack.
Under normal circumstances, if the Tracker hadn't come along, the Hunter and Handler both would have likely died in the Rotten Vale. Hence this is why I would cite this scene as the biggest factor in the "Handler Is Reckless" argument. However, I would take note of a couple of things; the first being that the Handler is young. Like...very young. Probably no older than early 20s. And given that she had already been established as an overly curious individual, I think it is believable that she could get caught up in the excitement of discovering a new locale - enough to where she doesn't pay due diligence to possible dangers.
Combine both of these factors, and you get a pretty clear answer as to what she is; young, inexperienced, and likely still holds that sense of "immortality" that young people typically have. This isn't an excuse for her actions, of course, but an observable explanation.
@@buragi5441 Fair, but just because they exist in a dangerous world doesn't outright remove the mindset youth has on people. There are countless historical examples in our own world (yes, I know, no monsters - but the pre-modern world was just as dangerous, if not more so, because of other people. Bandits, war, murder, etc.) where young men are particularly reckless and ego-driven - and only become humbled as they age and obtain the experience they lack.
Also i don't really think it's misogyny. Because most people fuckin love the tracker, the serious handler, and the 3rd fleet master.
I do think it plays a bigger role. The tracker and the 3rd fleet master dont " make them share the spotlight " they not "share the glory" with the Hunter.
I never knew the handler was considered unattractive. I thought there was maybe some uncanny valley issues but that was with every character in the game. No she's not a thirsty big tittied waifu but I didn't need that. I thought the handler was a little annoying at worst.
I actually didn't mind The Handler. It was cool to have a human partner for once. Also, for someone like me, who has the attention span of a squirrel & a terrible memory, it was nice to have someone keep me on track. I thought her design was cute too and her personality strengthened that for me.
Same
This! Sometimes I just forget😅. She's a bubbly go-getter and I love that!
My experience with the handler was essentially "No time for words, fair maiden! I must kill shit!" And then when I was forced to listen to her (or any other character, really) I got pissed off because I wasn't being allowed to kill shit.
That was my experience as well but most of my hate was from "Oh wow this is a beautiful map with lots of cool stuff I can just look at the scenery and relax for a minute" And then my ears are assaulted every few seconds by "PARTNER OVER HERE THIS IS HERE YOU NEED TO GO"
If it's not Handler ruining my enjoyment of the scenery, then it's her getting in trouble I have to bail her out of for the 18th time.
just about every time there is a cutscene that introduces a new monster that has her in it, both me and my wife go, with HEAVY sarcasm, "No. Wait. Come back. You could get hurt." then quickly followed by, "Please for the love of whatever god is listening, let her get killed or injured to be sidelined." there is just something so insanely grating about her personality and just her in general that is so insanely anger inducing. like i enjoyed it when the serious handler took for for a hot minute and she gave a quick run down of what were doing at the start of a mission and then end of "good job. i'll be sure to submit the mission details." like there was no nonsense to her. hell the first time you encounter Xeno'jiva, the handler gives some bulshit statement like "im with you all the way pard." i seriously wanted to throw her into the jaw of the damn thing. there is something so insanely annoying, angering and grating about her that i cant find the most accurate word to truely describe it.
I disliked the handler's mechanical role as the blaring "you should be doing this thing" alarm but l really quite liked who she was in the story. the game definitely seems to imply a kind of chemistry between her and the player and, having made a pretty lady at the start, a lot of the game's cutscenes came across as the misadventures of a strong, attractive huntress and her dorky girlfriend to me
That was kinda my take as well.
That's literally why she was included, to tell you (Western American gamers) where to go because the devs assumed that we needed that level of handholding cause games like Horizon and many other triple A western games do it. If anything, it's more of an insult on the US gamers in general. In plus, I don't mind the Handler really, she's peppy and I enjoy the peppy upbeat archetypes, not sure why everyone else seems to hate those types of characters. Do yall like sad depressing characters or???
Mine comes from her saying "we did it" after I was chewed out by the monster and she stood by as I got mangled and ragdolled around. So my only reaction is "WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE!?" as my baby boy palico was dying in my arms. Never again handler, never again.
Yeah I talk about that
@@SuperRADLemon she did contribute to the in game world and lorewise she did a lot for the hunter, but that doesn’t translate well as doing something for the player, which I think is what leads to the feeling of “she did nothing”
I seriously seriously hate this "We what do you mean we?" argument you guys are a team when you entered in the new world. She is not the hunter you are. She is your partner in exploration of the new world and for god sakes even is she were to Aid you in battle you'd probably toss that off because as you said you're the one mainly hunting What contributions aside from the story plot research would you even validate for Handler cuz I know hunting isn't one.
@@anubisgodess2353 The fact that so many people have this sentiment about the "we did it!" Seems pretty indicative of how, regardless of what how important the Handler is theoretically/in the lore, the game itself did not adequately show that role to the player. The game did not make people feel like their hunter and the Handler are a team, and so it's completely reasonable for them to be confused when the game jumps out and goes "wow what a team we are, we did it!"
@@anubisgodess2353 "no, we ain't Pard"
Hunter/Palico is the team, Handler's a tag along in my book and whatever mechanics she supposedly handles I'd gladly tackle blindly if it meant not having to deal with her
I think she’s just annoying I guess. From the first few quests I thought, “Sweet god she needs to stop calling me pard”. And when she said “We did it!”, I will absolutely admit to getting a little ticked off because from our perspective it doesn’t look like she actually did anything other than get into trouble or just stand there. I feel like if we got to see her actually working more and researching she might be more liked.
This was it for me. The fact that she was claiming credit for things that she basically did the accounting for while the player-character is risking their life fighting apex predators.
yeah he keeps mentioning "the handlers do research" yeah but what research? she parrots whatever the tracker says and other characters regularly come to the same conclusions she does. We never SEE her research. "research" isn't just "yo this monster is doing this thing" like what about her researching the biology of the creatures or doing any actual real research outside of the behavior of the monsters by themselves? She never does anything smart or really prove she does any of the things everybody SAYS she does. Her role in the story is filled with "well she does these things, you never see her do them, but she does!" and her character development means nothing when her character doesn't actually change at all.
@@JudojugsVtuber - Cannonically, everything in your Hunter's Notes is her work... insofar as she writes down stuff you pick up from tracks and gets it to the research corps, then organizes it into the Hunter's Notes for you. This, and organizing and presenting your missions. She's a field secretary.
@@Verbose_Mode Where does it actually imply this though? My point is regardless of if she DOES do research we are never explicitly shown her doing anything of the sort and they do a terrible job showing her doing her job as field secretary. I feel like this game has a real issue with telling but not showing.
@@Mongrelntruder Damn y'all crying about The Handler hugging your Palico and shit dang, you guys have some issues
About the Deviljho scene. Even if she didn't know about the Deviljho she was still COMPLETLY ALONE, she can't even fight off a Great Jagras. She could've died easily to the jagras, Tobi-Kadachi, Pukei Pukei, RATHIAN, ANJANATH, AZURE/REGULAR RATHALOS and most importatly a random BAZELGEUSE. Why the hell would you look for mushrooms in a giant, dense and barely explored forest full of really territorial and hungry animals BY YOURSELF. That is beyond stupid and there is no way anyone can come up with an excuse for that amount of stupidity. Also shortly after entering the Coral Highlands she instantly runs off like a dumbass and is almost killed by a Legiana, and did she learn her lesson to not run off when entering a new area? No, when you enter the Elder's Recess she instantly runs ahead, but thankfully nothing happens. But when we enters the turf of a new and dangerous creature (Safi'jiva) what does she do? She runs off like a dumbass AGAIN just to look at the shed skin.......... YOU ARE IN A SECLUDED AND DARK CAVE AND THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS RUN OF TO TOUCH SOME CLOTH LIKE MATERIAL!?!?!
Hey man do you know what comedy is?
@@SuperRADLemon Sorry if I sounded like an a hole. It's mostly because i have dealt with plenty of very careless people (that includes family members) that often get themeselves in trouble. Sorry again if my rant upset you.
It didn't I just think you need to consider that the deviljho scene was for comedic effect
@@SuperRADLemon Yeah, you are right.
@@SuperRADLemon It wasn't funny though, even if they meant it to be funny. I mean be honest were you really laughing during that scene? When it fails to be funny it's just annoying. And some of these scenes are supposed to be really big serious moments that get completely ruined by The Handler's bullshit, did the Safi'jiiva cutscene REALLY need that for example?
Also like what's with your hostility? You made a video telling people that the reason they don't like the handler is because they're misogynistic and you didn't expect people to disagree with that? The person you're replying to made a well-thought argument to your video and your rebuttal is a single sentence making a jab at his intelligence? Do better man.
Alright. I watched the whole video, so I get to have my opinion now.
I do agree that the Handler got overall better in Iceborne, though that's marred by the fact that she basically causes you to fail your first Velkhana hunt when it was otherwise going fine. That is her worst example of sticking her neck out too far, and it was super annoying to me when it happened. I remember in 4U, I got pulled out of a Seregios hunt just to get given a quest to hunt it, and believe me, I was mad at the MALE character who pulled me out too.
By the way, she wasn't remorseful about the Odogoran at all. As soon as you got back to camp, she immediately got ready to rush headlong back into the Vale, and the only reason she didn't is because a female character who is capable, isn't conventionally attractive, and is generally well-liked in the community told her not to do that because it's stupid.
I'd be a lot more willing to accept her contributions at gathering and research if she actually had any affect on such things. Nothing the Handler ever does improves your Hunter Notes on a monster. All those notes come from Ecological Research. Nothing she gathers goes anywhere useful as far as I can tell.
I'd be a lot more willing to accept her contributions in general if she wasn't entirely avoidable other than required quest conversations. Managing quests can be done by a literal board. Cooking food is done by the chefs, and eating in the field instead of in the Canteen is just a bad idea imo, but you do you.
Also you are a Poogie non-believer, so your opinion was invalid from the start.
There is a point in Iceborne, when you go back to Astera to hunt two monsters, and have the Serious Handler, where she asks why you do all the notes, and gets mildly irritated at the Handler's notes being mostly food related. That and the Handler NEVER learns from her mistakes about rushing into an area, especially since she is an "A-lister" which implies being the best of the best from the old world.
@@khaoticmage2027 Ahh... the serious handler, how I miss you :'(
@@khaoticmage2027 you do realize that that's like... flavor text for a little joke, right? this is the same game franchise where you can dress up your cat as a miniature monster with a tiny you riding it? its a goofy game? i dont get why suddenly now people are out here treating the game like it has deeplore that needs to be analyzed to an extremely fine point when you can give your cat a wacky waving inflatable waving arms tube man as a tool to distract monsters.
@@lapotato9140 And yet, even if it’s a joke, it’s extremely telling about the character of the Handler. Just because something comes off as a joke doesn’t mean it doesn’t have other purposes as well. And the writers put it there for a reason, if they didn’t want it to come off the way it does they could have written something else.
@@khaoticmage2027 well ok, let me put it this way, does that not apply to Mako from kill la kill? because i dont know about you but a shit ton of people love her a lot even though she's in an incredibly similar situation where she has a ton of ditzy comedic relief moments despite being an important "part of the team" character, and id even argue the world of kill la kill is somehow more serious than monster hunter, which also tells you something about how goofy mh is.
Except all the research in game is also done by you the hunter. In cutscenes her insights are just wild guesses that would make no sense in actuality but they are correct because the story is written in a way that everything she guesses is right
Because there are a lot of off-screen things happening that is not needed to be known by the player unless the player seeks for it. Remember, the Handler even had to write, register, request for approval and send to the Guild every quest that you've done. You just don't see this because it's not necessary for you to see this.
I'm not sure if you've done the golden name for MHW (aka finishing every Optional Quest), but your handler said that she have not slept for a while because of the amount of paperwork she's been doing from the hunts you've done. After that, she has to ask for approval and send all those research to the Guild.
You as the hunter are sent to make errands, but you are the brawns not the brain. So you report all your experiences/items you've gathered while the handler registers them for research.
All those "wild guesses" are not wild guesses, she bases it off the research you and the hunter had made.
I do not like the handler, but I don't like it when people hate a character for the wrong reasons either. Her English VA is way too loud and obnoxious, with repeating lines that gets annoying. But other than that, there's nothing wrong with her.
@@genkotone7979 That is true, but the game does very little to communicate that element of the handler's role to the player, and as such that detail isn't going to factor in the experience of a typical player. Saying "she's doing a bunch of work behind the scenes" does fuck all when people don't *see* her doing that. I don't recall seeing her going through paperwork or samples or research. Instead, she eats food, opens the quest book for us to scan, and calls us "pard". Regardless of what the Handler is doing behind the scenes, THAT is the Handler the player sees, and so all perceptions of her are going to be based on that.
@@erberor8007 I don't think they thought that it's required to communicate to the players that she does these things. She is just a guide, sometimes tutorial and an annoying second voice for the player afterall, which also does give fault for Capcom as they take responsibility for it for making that choice of less communication.
But I pretty much noticed it early on in the story so I had no problems with her other than switching to japanese dub lmao. She did help us in administration as an on-site guild hunter/bodyguard at the start while she's registered as a guild receptionist/researcher. So early on in the game I just thought of her as some kind of annoying pokedex that's set to alarm every 5 mins.
@@erberor8007 Considering I hung out mostly in the gathering hub... she didn't even open the quest book for me very often.
I might not like her, but "That things a reality. That just means I know you can kill it" from the Fatalis quest is such a cool line
She's just saying, "because it exists, you can kill it" which yes I can, because it's a monster, but it tread the line between cool and really stupid logic lol
@@kinkykoala7870Everything in this game is really stupid if you think too hard like that. People jack off to their palicos, but show a normal person on the street one and theyll think its a deformed goblin creature.
Personally, I am a fan of her hyping us up when we were about to face Shara Isvalda
Saying that the hunter and handler are bff’s just because they spend the most time together is kinda dumb, I’ve had to deal with my sister her whole life but I wouldn’t say we are best friends
The hatred for the Handler may be overblown by some people, but I'd hardly say that this hatred for this "character" is undeserved. The Handler is a symptom of World and Iceborne trying to carry the torch of "the story driven MH" title by making their story seem more important than it really is. Cinematic presentation via cutscenes and spoken dialogue can only distract you so much before you realize that from a narrative standpoint, there isn't really much going on. The Handlers personality doesn't change at all, both in base World and Iceborne. She goes from being a energetic, reckless, munch-happy goof to a...energetic, reckless, munch-happy goof. She has no backstory other than "I have a grandpa", a fact that even gets shamelessly exploited by Iceborne by having it be used to give her a Velkhana shard (something that only happens to move the plot along btw). You'd think her dialogue about what he must have thought when he was all alone in the New World would maybe impact her behaviour in some way, but nope, she stays the exact same after this conversation. Her interactions with the player don't change. Her interactions with other characters don't change. She is a static background element that somtimes talks, so I can't fault people for not taking a liking to her.
And personally, I find the assumption that much of the hatred for her comes from her not being blatant fap-bait like the Shrine Maidens to be laughable. Representation via not conventionally attractive characters may be requested by some, but those same people never seem to care wether or not these "normal" looking characters are actually entertaining. Characters need to be entertaining to make the audience like them, and part of that is the visual appeal of the character, something which is far easier when that character is hot/pretty.
You literally have described every single character in MH
The reason why people found the guild marm and moga sweetheart cute, likable etc is because they served their gameplay purpose and they didn’t ever act stupid because they weren’t in the field to act stupid but now you have the handler who has the self preservation instincts of a dang lemon and is someone who just runs into so many situations headfirst without the skills to back it up like an actual hunter and then forces you or someone else to help her like she’s a generic damsel in distress.
Idk it’s just that many would expect non combat field operatives in a dangerous new continent would be better trained to not go bum around for plants in a forest that’s commonly inhabited by dangerous creatures that give even seasoned hunters issues. She repeatedly acts like some random clueless scholar who gets themselves into dangerous situations to move the plot forward rather than an actual handler and that’s why I feel that people don’t like her character.
A lemon generally has enough sense to stay on the branch where it's reasonably safe, the Handler's much worse than that.
@@erberor8007 that’s true.
Exactly! All she is is a walking, talking inconvinience that you can't get rid of.
Your last sentence reminded me of that cutscene with Deviljho, where she almost gets eaten by it. This amount of carelessness from someone supposed to be aware and knowledgeable about the Monsters living there, was just making me hate her even more. Why is she still allowed outside of Astera?
Fine I admit it. I’m an average Handler enjoyer
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Man, I guess me being one of the people who likes the handler is more of a rarity than I thought
Same... I was talking with some friends that we all started playing this game and somehow both my friends hate her, while I really like her.
Bit late to the video. I have to say I was pretty neutral to her until Iceborne, her mechanical design and the voice acting was annoying but not enough to make me dislike her for most of the game. It was the point where she separates and we get the serious handler that I came to hate her. The serious handler was right to the point of what information we as the hunter needed about the hunt and did not have all the extra fluff and tutorial reminders.
That short time we had the serious handler showing what the handler could have and should have been is what lead to my dislike of our handler. It just made all her flaws so much more glaring after being given that short time of a handler that could have been much less ham fisted in reminding me I have to dodge during late game hunts and much less annoying. I can understand the need for tutorial for newer players to the series, but even then they are not needed as late into the game as the Nergigante hunt even for new players, and for those of us who are MH vets not needed after a couple hunts once we learn the new features of the game.
While I personally think Rise is way too easy due to the wire bugs, I will say they did get one thing right in not constantly telling us how to play even into late game. The largest flaw of the handler did not carry over into Rise.
This is pretty much my opinion as well. Serious handler was short, to the point, and cordial.
Reminded me pleasantly of the Operators in God Eater where they only chimed in to give you status updates on the foe, such as when it enrages or (in the case of Ash Aragami), was winding up a Devour attack.
I felt the last part of the video the whole misogyny rant was unnecessary, just came off as virtual signaling, pretty much agreed with you on the first 23 mins and gave your point across.
Man shut up
@@SuperRADLemon ??? ok I guess only if I agree 100% with I can comment. Will share the video anyway. Handler doesn't deserve the hate.
@@Freddie_ssmnah many people had some disagreements but yours is just pathetic basement dwellers rhetoric. The exact person I was talking about at the end lmao
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf that's not what he said lmao. Claimed virtue signalling and used other neckbeard rhetoric. Go watch another video pls
@@SuperRADLemon
other neckbeard rhetoric?
"WE DID IT"
And at that moment.
I understood the hate.
as a veteran hunter, when my feline companion hugged her instead of me in the intro cutscene, i took offense, but ey whatever she is part of the team.
"we did it" excuse me? me and my great cat companion did it, i didnt saw you put a trap or give me ammunition
It's mostly because we get introduced to several monsters specifically because the Handler does something foolish that puts her in their crosshairs and we (or someone else) end up having to protect her. The one that I forgive her for is the Deviljho as that one came out of nowhere for everybody and she was in an area that _should_ of been safe-ish. That makes her honestly seem incompetent, because no matter what you _tell_ people she does the things they _see_ her do stand out more.
Personality wise she's depicted as being a eager, but somewhat bumbling optimist and that kind of character is really hit or miss with people. You're either going to find her funny/endearing or find her annoying as hell. A lot of people seem to like her in Iceborne more simply because her deeper motivations in that story arc cause her to act more seriously. Between that and her unwavering faith in the PC's skills redeem her in a lot of people's eyes by the end.
The biggest nail in the coffin for her though is that she honestly feels shoe horned into a lot of situations for no reason. Like why is she with us in the opening exploration of the Rotten Vale (the cutscene where Odo almost gets her)? She shouldn't be there at all. She has no combat ability and nobody has any clue what kind of monsters live there so she's purely a liability. I know she's there for research, but she could just come in later after we've secured the area like we end up doing every time anyways. Same with a lot of the story cutscenes. Her presence just doesn't make sense a lot of the time and that can get annoying.
The main problem I have with the handler is the structure of the cutscenes, so not necessarily her fault but still actually at the center of the problem.
The Handler is presented center stage in many cutscenes overshadowing my character as if I'm an NPC.
There's several times when Her and I are in the shot (normally with me to the side like an NPC), only for the camera zoom, pan, or cut, taking me out of the picture to focus on the handler herself or her and another NPC we were with. The hell? This is my story. Why do I feel like I'm being pushed off stage 90% of the time for someone else? (It feels like I'm playing Batman, but for some reason Alfred is always the focus).
If this was unique, like from my perspective/POV it might work. However, this is not the case, I'm literally right off screen with only minimal hope to be shown again each cutscene.
So yes, I perhaps jumped on the bandwagon in some areas before, but now, I just hope Capcom knows how to put a silent protagonist center stage without it feeling like playing second fiddle to an NPC for the story.
sounds like Susie in Deltarune and the partner in PMD Explorers, so...
... Moreso the Partner, Susie is actively going to kick your ass if you mess with her while the Partner is quite a bit meeker, though I kind of _Only_ have this video to go on.
Yeah, the handler and hunter's dynamic is the culmination of capcom's storytelling style. A style that kinda sucks and fulfills the minimum requirements to get you back to the gameplay. Together, they have about 120% of a character, which was split up into 2 severely incomplete characters instead of addressing the issue.
But the mods went weird places. Real weird.
Two other examples of her recklessness are when we first get to the coral highlands and she runs ahead of us leading to a Legiana knocking us out and throwing us into the Rotten Vale, and when she ran into our first fight against Velkhana for no reason.
Yes and how many times have you done something stupid in a hunt and got carted?.
@ggg a couple of times but nothing as stupid as running into an unexplored area that is filled with deadly monsters without any weapons or items I could use to defend myself.
@@Mongrelntruder random hunters who triple cart are worse than her.
@@Mongrelntruder its a fictional characters idiot get the stick outt your ass and stop letting a character who isnt real ruin your day. Get a fucking grip dude.
The moment she received that hug from MY palico, MY hunting partner it was on!!!
I don't hate her per say but it felt like your character was put on a side line in the cutscenes that involved her.
I guess her purpose was to be the voice for our mute hunter.
My two biggest issues, while not to the level of hate, with The Handler is in base world (this isn't as bad in Iceborne, if it's a thing at all.) Is she mostly points out the obvious. She would go "Hey, look at this thing!" And most of the time I had the reaction of "Really? How could I miss the giant monster who is trying to kill me!?" Add the grating voice/personality and I'll admit I opted out of interacting with her unless needed. (Again, I feel like Iceborne was able to course correct and I didn't mind her as much.)
- I don't find hyperactive characters appealing, just a me thing.
The Serious Handler was a breath of fresh air during like 3 quest in Iceborne because she was clear, calm, precise and to the point.
- My palico went to to her for a hug (genuinely annoying considering the story tells us that our Palico and us have been together for quite a while whereas she is a random we met less than an hour ago.)
- Jagras things is ok no hard feelings, we both had no weapons and in an unknown territory. (Even tho come on, with the strenght i have to move a GS or CB, or shield myself from a giant monster, you're not gonna tell me i couldn't have just punched it in the eyes or something)
- Odogaron thing is unforgivable however.
In a new, seemingly terrifyingly dangerous unknown area, you know, one where there's literally the smell of death in the air, a smell so powerful it actually does damage, you tread with CAUTION.
-Deviljho is an emergency situation, and it was just bad luck to find him, literally no one but an excellent hunter could have done something here. Actually impressed she survived.
- Velkhana. Handler is 100% at fault for almost splitting my head open with a magical icicle. The fight would have went on normally if she didn't just barged in and needed to be protected.
She had no buiseness coming here before it was over, and even then, while reckless she could have just watched from a distance.
-Being saved by the Admiral from Rajang.
She is not in the wrong at all, any person who's not battle hardened would freeze there. It's RAJANG we're talking about. Monke is one of the meanest, toughest beast you could ever have the bad luck to find.
And finally, "We did it". That may be a gameplay thing but...
No.
I did it... and i did it alone.
Who filled the Canteen with new ingredients ? I did.
Who discovered almost every new monsters, variants, their quirks, weakness and strong points ? I did.
Who paved the way to establish every single camp in every single area ? I did.
Who discovered, searched and analyzed every single plants and small (or not) animals in every area ? I did.
Even when it's not me who does something it's still not her.
Xeno'Jiiva/ Safi'Jiiva? the Insect Glaive guy found him if i recall.
The Mysterious song of the Everwyrm ?
I think that was the Old Lady finding out where Shara was hiding.
Stygian Zinogre, Icier Barioth, Alatreon, Fatalis ? Still not her.
Her thing with her grandfather in Iceborne could have been interesting only if she was already likeable so you'd get interested.
I don't buy into the "we are a team" argument when there's not a single moment in game where that is reflected after all.
To me she's not a teamate, not a friend, and much less my "pard". The only one who could pretend being my partner is the Admiral, because we genuinely bounces of each others actions.
This may be Capcom terrible writing yes, they may have just written a terrible character, one where her actions and story doesn't fit the game/gameplay.
But i will not just make up headcanons in my head to replace the error in front of me, what happened when i played was all i listed above.
Not a single redeeming thing about her.
EDIT: I forgot to talk about the most important part.
The only time i felt "close" to the Handler was in a porn doujin, hilarious right ?
That's the only time i saw someone writing her as something else than what the game gave her.
There she genuinely felt like a confidant, a friend (well a bit more than that tbf), not saying the game should have gave us those kind of scenes that's not the point.
The point is, the game should have shown us she's our friend, give us time to know her, qualities and flaws, and then we can appreciate her.
She had more character in a porn doujin than the entire game.
Because in game, she's not a character, she's a trope with a special name.
That's the sad part.
Look man if I spend a good amount of time naming and customising my cool cat companion I do believe I deserve a hug from him at the start of the game instead of someone he met for like two seconds, also I don’t wanna see the handlers character development I’m a simple man I see monster I hunt not see monster hear input of handler which I didn’t need then hunt monster,but I’m just salty that she hugged my cat and my first play through was in English
I agree because from what understood we just met her and our palico we have known for way longer so after that I would guess my palico would hug me after we went through that chaos because of Zorah but he hugs her and I'm like why? We just met her dude
very controversial statements here
i mean cmon, poogie luck is REAL.
however otherwise good points
I think the best way to fix a lot of the complaints about the handler would be to just...give her a slinger. She's obviously a smarter than average person given her job and knowledge of food, so give her a tool that, while not a proper weapon, would give her some level of self defense. Maybe even give her scenes where she discovers the monster's slinger weakness
Counterarguments:
-> We the players out of universe know the series is generally lighthearted and characters never die. It's hard programmed into the game that the Handler will never die or even be seriously hurt. In-universe though, if you're trying to be immersed, she is in danger when being attacked. MH characters never dying isn't a cosmic law of the setting.
-> Hunters are a lot stronger than normal people, a weaponless hunter can get smacked around and be fine, the Handler would die. The "don't pick a fight without a weapon" line isn't a lore statement, it's a gameplay tutorial line to tell not to try to fight yet.
-> The 5th Fleet Hunters are A-Listers, basically rookies but very naturally talented rookies, so not exactly newbies in the sense we would normally use it. That's your our character can pull off stuff like jumping off Zorah, spin around, hook-shoot a flying creature mid-air in a storm and catch someone with their other hand. Or 180 no-scope a barroth in the eye while sliding down a slope.
-> I'd argue the Handler contributes a lot less than it appears at face value, because essentially all of her important contributions to the Guild Investigation is monster or environment analysis or observations, which is all stuff the Hunter also knows and was present for. They're just spoken by the Handler because she's voice acted and the Hunter isn't. Plus even discounting that, killing the monsters is way more important than anything she does.
-> It's not misogyny, virtually everyone who hates the regular Handler also likes the Serious Handler.
Which leads to my last point: Most people really hate her because she's annoying, they're just bad at wording it, hence all the repeated points. If our Handler was the Serious Handler all game long from the start no one would complain. Or any Handler who's not constantly super annoying. Normal Handler has a sort of negative Je-ne-sais-quoi basically.
Edit: Was starting a new character as I typed this and was reminded of a thing I personally dislike. On the ship in the opening cutscene, Energetic Hunter and Serious Handler are already an official team, but the Handler is just some random girl who talks to you, then Zorah craches the ship, you save her and bring her to land, and suddenly she's your official guild partner ? Why ?
Edit 2: Another counterpoint. It's not just the english VA, she's annoying in japanese too.
Counterpoint: The Handlers are Hunters too, they just went down a clerical role. It's been stated that Handlers are classified as hunters in their own right.
Counterpoint: A misogynist can have women around them they favor more than others, the same way a racist can claim to have a black friend because they're 'one of the good ones'.
Don't bother, these people are stuck in a dilusional world as if they are trapped in 1817 with a 2015 liberal brain.
@@ultimamage3 counterpoint: women can be annoying. If you’re personality is predicated on being overly energetic or incompetent. People are gonna find you annoying if you are with them regardless of who you are or what you identify as.
@@mankdemes8887 Ok, and? No shit women can be annoying just like men can be annoying. *People* can be annoying. But being annoying isn't solely "oh, they're too energetic". Someone can be annoying because they're overly depressive and toxic, that's just a matter of personalities meshing. Anyway you're not even countering my argument. Someone who largely hates women can still have women around them especially if those women are pick-me's.
I like to believe that the reason my character calls everyone by their ranks and not by their names is that he hates everyone and refuses to learn the names of the people he despises.
Remember, it's not just your character that calls everyone by their ranks.
Everyone calls everyone else by their ranks.
Everyone hates each other.
As many, many people pointed out below. Her looks have ZERO reason why people dislike the handler. That misogyny line was needlessly shoed in ... As with EVERYTHING .. people judge looks ... but that is not at all the reason people don't like her. Even if it does? So what? People aren't going to flock ugly people (men and women) cause "you'd" like them too. Think of all the ugly ass dudes in games that get shit on ... with out calling it misandry, now do we? Stop it.
Found another one of the basement dwellers I was talking about
@@SuperRADLemon You really showed him up man! Absolute perfect counter.
@@sussy8576 found another one
@@SuperRADLemon Huh? at least you replied. I suppose. Though what about anything I said screams out "basement dweller"? I just think you brought up a super bad point and called it out.
But hey .. Name calling means you win, you got me. So I concede.
@@nicholasbalser6901 thanks!
I picked up the game about 10 days ago and have been disliking her enough to consider making a video myself about it despite not being a content creator. Turns out I was apparently not alone, and CZcams's algorythm showed me this without having to look for it.
For me it's the body language, the bahaviour, and the language. A person who behaves like her has nothing to do in her position. She is childish, impulsive, emotional, and undisciplined. She forms emotional attachments too easily and pushes to get people in danger because of them. She waddles about with her hands to her side like a damn penguin. She stares at you expectingly while you eat. She just reminds me of that annoying character in Yuyu Hakusho's live adaptation we just got on Netflix. She just moves like a charicatural anime princess instead of the soldier she's supposed to be. Even the damn coal machine she messes up throwing masses of crap into the fire despite it being blowing up. She acts like a damn child. Capcom also shoved her in our faces way too much. I was glad when she was replaced by a more serious handler for a few missions, but then she came right back...
What's worse for me is knowing this was done in an attempt to appeal to a more global audience. They thought that the global market, specifically the US, wanted this type of character for some reason. Maybe they saw too much Hollywood crap people don't like or think the US are all into childish characters, and maybe they are, but if the pushback is anything to go on I would guess not.
And don't try to make it about being afraid of strong women. She isn't a strong woman, that's the whole point. My character is a strong woman, despite being a mute who doesn't even know sign language and a push over who just goes with whatever she is told. The handler is an obnoxious brat who gets everyone in danger, constantly gets into harms way forcing other people to save her, and still claims credit for the work of my disabled character.
Didn't watch the video uh?
handler? what ya mean i only have nemesis following me around LMFAO
For the last time, Handler. My name is NOT Pard.
...it's Doodle...
I think her main issue comes down to how present she is, like you said. In small doses she'd probably be funny and charming, but the saturation of voiced interactions that put her quirks at the forefront so constantly makes her annoying. Good comic relief characters are usually deployed more judiciously, with characters like Sokka (also quirky and potentially annoying, but whip smart) being present in the story with all their weird isms, but also taking time to be serious and thoughtful. The handler has JUST the wrong ratio of quirky to smart, and if they dialed her back a little bit she'd probably be just as cool as the tracker.
For me at least, she isn't awful, she's just CONSISTENTLY irksome, in a game that asks you to interact with her almost constantly for several hundred hours of playtime. Her personality has a place in the game for sure, and she is an impressive person, but the sort of "style" of interactions you have with her seems to be balanced wrong.
I started replaying the game again recently due to a group interest with me and my friends, got your video recommended today (I subbed like a day ago) only to find out that disliking a reckless, annoying character is misogyny in your eyes. Sure she cooks and writes. Like all handlers do. I don’t see other handlers jumping on the back of a pickle with no weapon by herself before running away 0-o
All this with the fact that I weirdly liked her hugging my cat and liking food- made her actually feel less shallow and more attractive. It just slowly went away as she continued killing my ears and enjoyment of cutscenes :/
TLDR:it’s not misogynistic to hate a nuisance the game would be better off without.
"only to find out that disliking a reckless, annoying character is misogyny in your eyes"
Not what I said. You hear "misogyny" and immediately go feral
@@SuperRADLemon I never went feral in any way. You say it seems her hate stems from misogyny whether it’s on purpose or not. (One point was that she wasn’t as attractive as others) my response very simply said I liked her quirks and thought she was attractive until she began to become problematic and annoying. A character can be attractive and annoying, it’s not misogynistic (it’s 90% bad writing and story limits tbh)
Nothing was feral. If your only way to discuss this is to insult or belittle me then I think this discussion is over-
Regardless I hope you have a good day, glad you’re still active enough to respond to comments on much older videos-
Edit: I should clarify that your points made are valid and that I believe some people do dislike her on a misogynistic reasoning. I’m mainly refuting that when it comes to my and my friends reasoning- I apologize if you thought I was just saying “nuh uh your wrong >:( “
I said there's a good chance a portion of the hate (not all) stems from misogyny. That's it. I never said it's misogynistic to dislike her or you couldn't have valid reasons for feeling the way you do. Again, you hear misogyny and go feral mode.
you just arent reading my comments apparently, everything u just said is a repeat of what i just said. and again, saying someone is going feral when having a normal civilized discussion does nothing but make people lose respect for you. i apologize that me disagreeing with you had to end in you resulting to insults. @@SuperRADLemon
Nah I literally quoted your comment and told you that I didn't say what you thought I did and then you tried to turn it around into something else. You're allowed to dislike the character but the term I used is enough to make you go blind in the comments.