i actually prefer her 2010 style of lipping, i feel like it worked for her because it allowed her to rest her voice when she needed to, i hope one day she will go back to this style
I do too tbh. I think that time it was a good balance and it really helped her out where she needed it without detracting from her live slayage. After your era/Rockefeller is when things went a little more downhill with that approach, and then of course in the 2020s
2009-2010 goes along with her thing that when her belts are extremely good, her whistles tend to be weaker which is why we can see her lip 90% of whistles
I’m SO addicted to this series it’s like each time we get a step closer to present day and how it’s all lead up to her art of lip sync she’s currently using! Keep up the great work
Back in like 2012, I was obsessed with the Bye Bye performances, and I thought they were fully live. Then in, like, 2015, I realized they were lipped, and I figured they were fully lipped. But then I revisited those performances recently, and I realized they were partially live! Not only was I pleasantly surprised, but it also made me realize how well the live parts blended in with the track, as I assumed the live parts and lipped parts were the same (either live together or lipped together).
In today's era, she wants to work very little but still earn a lot and looks fabulous on the stage, she's very smart, isn't she, thanks to technology😂😂😂😂😂
As you post more videos from these series I realize how important they are and in understanding her lip sync choices over the years. I’m so ready for the next video!!! Love the 2012-2014 era and 2015 was good too 😊
@@VMariah omg lmao in my head I was definitely separating Jamaica from the rest of 2015 which were both slaying in their own ways. It’s gonna be more than iconic if Jamaica got its own section in a video. It’s actually so interesting. And wtf happened during fantasy!? lmao
There’s one crucial performance you forgot to add . SNL 2008. She performed both Touch my body and Migrate. Touch my body was fully live and Migrate was sung almost completely live as well. I think the SNL performance of touch my body is actually the last time she performed a new single live.
Still one of my favorite eras for her voice! 2008-2010 her voice was in such great condition! Can’t wait for the next part I’ve been anticipating the 2010s this whole series 😂
I was the one who made it from 999 to 1000 🥳🥳🥳 congratulations,tbh,you deserve more than 1k,like at least 100k,great that you have got the attention more since the lipsync series 💗💗💗
Early E=MC² was Rainbow 2.0 in terms of her usage of playback. She tried to perform (most) her songs with very minimal playback as opposed to Charmbracelet and TEOM (the latter had less playback than Charmbracelet but still a generous amount), I wonder if she would've kept the formula if a tour for E=MC² would've kicked off. Overall, her formula for 2009 - 2013 was perfect imo PS: I Want to Know What Love Is performances ATE and left no crumbs
@@VMariah I picture a slightly hoarser version of MOAIA given her condition, a bit restricted in upper belts even (looking into the Hong Kong performance which was rumored to be the starter for the "cancelled" E=MC²)
IM LIVING FOR THIS SERIES UGHHH! SHES my favorite artists so it’s fun diving more and see you answer the questions and wonder just like us other lambs do too!💕💕
Love her will support her regardless her lipping its just fine with me. Her music, the smile she gives me, the positivity she gives out is beyond her lipping.
I wish lip synching wasn't such a huge part of her career, but the facts are what they are and even though she's truly earned the crown of "Queen of Lipsynch", she'll always be one of my favs artistically and in-studio vocals. Not speaking for all lambs (only some) but once you become a big fan of Mariah, there's always that extremely hard period where you have to accept the grand extent of her lip synching and dubbing, even in the early years. We will call this "lambs crossing the rainbow bridge" 😂 Once I accepted this truth, going back and watching my fav performances to confront the lipsynch was like being on Iyanla Vanzant's "Fix My Life", having to address my childhood trauma. I avoided it, like the plague, for a while but I have come to terms with it and deal with it accordingly. I'm hoping one day Mariah will learn to accept her voice and learn to sing comfortably so we can see her sing confidently again, with verbrato and in her deep, low, natural range. Hey maybe she will even have the nodule surgery. Will the real Contralto MC please stand up!?!?
I would 1st like to thank you for taking the time out to fully and carefully break these eras down so the PEOPLE and the lambs can understand mariah's creative technique! Myself and many others have argued for YEARS ABOUT WHATS LIVE WHATS NOT, WHATS LIPPED AND ETC. At this point , mariahs performances are a FORM OF HER ARTWORK AT THIS POINT and it's beyond LIPPING / LYP SYNC! one thing that you mentioned that has stuck to me is when you said sometimes it seems like she makes the backtrack so flawless to the point where it's like she's challenging her own self to prove that she can mimic a live line to duplicate the sound of the backtrack and that make SO MUCH SENSE 💯. KEEP UP YOUR AMAZING WORK AND WE CANT WAIT TILL THE NEXT ERA❤❤❤
let’s not also forget that when she performed ibt fully live for mj’s funeral, she was also very much blamed even tho her voice was not at its best shape + she was very emotional i bet this hasn’t really helped her confidence
U are literally reviving the lambily channels cuz they r all on hiatus and u DESERVE 1K. I mean u deserve more than Mr beast but u have to start somewhere.
Thank you so much😭 tbh I’ve been on my own yt hiatus once so I can understand why everyone isn’t feeling motivated at the moment, but I’ll try my best going forward!
@onedollarbleach6891 I became a lamb after mxl's disappearance so I have no clue how sad it was to their fans. Queen of lambily, TDOMC, fishriah, MXL, are all not posting or posting often as well as many more channels. VMariah is saving the lambily!
@@jasonrice7710 MXL disappearance was controversial bc a lot of ppl didn’t really like their content after awhile bc they thought it was too “spammy”. Honestly at times it kinda was but one thing about them was they updated us on everything Mariah, they had videos out seconds/minutes after Mariah news broke lol. Great work ethic and beautiful gowns, she will be missed 🤧😭
Great vid! Just want to point out Mariah did a live B6 at the end of SIO every night in the 2009 Vegas shows (all of them are different and some aren’t that great tbh) - she still had consistency in whistle then imo but not the control of earlier years
Ok I love 2008- I know her voice wasn’t as good as 2009-2010, but confidentriah was really shining through. Especially like her Christmas baby please come home performance among others is super underrated. But honestly that performance makes you realize how much her voice declined in the 2010s, even Beacon 2014 wasn’t as strong in that song.
We all know Mariah has nodules, isn't rested like many other singers get to be because people always want to talk to her and doesn't like performing in the morning. When other singers are warming up their voice Mariah is waking up and in glam. Choices. Yes she will lip for many reason sometimes to rest a damaged voice, sometimes the venue she is appearing at has everyone lip, but we all know she recovers and comes back with amazing vocals each and every time. And let's not forget to mention the corsets! Who can sing when they can't breath? Mariah is more vain than she is proud if her voice unfortunately. I love her and am tired of all the criticism enjoy and celebrate her genius while we have her please people. She is getting up there who knows how much longer she will even want to perform live anymore.
FUN FACT: I never knew Mariah lipped Hero pre 2020 era. It boggles my mind she lipped it starting here when she was sustaining Bb4's a few years later at beacon theater like it was nothing...
I knew! But you’re not alone. There’s thousands of deluded lambs who would watch these videos and still say she’s not lipsyncing, so it’s ok. Welcome to the light 😊
She gave some really good vocals in this eras. Like the c5 in always be my baby in Palm. And what about the Love Story Acoustic? Really excited for the next video like: -the Jimmy Fallon video with the fans (2013) -the Happy Birthday song for her Friend (You’re mine instrumental) - My All belts in Australia (2013) - Acapella moment of cant let go & Love takes time live in Sydney - She also had really great vocals during #1 residency and the Sweet Sweet Fantasy Tour❤
@@VMariah it’s ok! Other interesting points from this era: It’s A Wrap being more live on TV than on tour (and still being a hard song with multiple live D5/C5s); 100% lipped MIH bridge in one of the AAT concerts; Emotions being lowered but still using the same playback parts/lowered studio version
Your analysis is always spot on and I love how your videos give lambs the opportunity to discuss and learn something new about our favorite performances. Can't wait for the next part.
So I didn't see it referenced here, but I wanted to talk about the "I Stay In Love" performances. I've always felt based on her live attempts, voice at the time, and her confidence that there's almost no chance those climaxes were live but I see a lot of people try to say they are. It seems unrealistic to me but maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah, I'm 99% sure it's not live. For Mariah's standards it's a pretty convincing lip-sync, but as you said all the factors indicate that there's basically no chance it's live
6:36 - If...LORD KNOWS...that was funny What a great series of videos, I'm already scared of 2020's coming soon...but it's fine just for now, top-notch content, you're making a big deal I couldn't really finish
I would argue she started lipping practically all built in whistles in Charmbracelet, as this was when she stopped performing Emotions and Dreamlover and Heartbreaker were already being lipped anyways
Yes definitely, it just didn’t really take effect until this era because she did so many of the non-built in whistles anyway. I think the Never Too Far whistle is like precisely the last one she did live in that sense
@@VMariahI think there was only one night when she didn't, but every other night she did! I remember one night it seemed like she wasn't gonna do it, then in the very end of the song she squeezed out a cute lil "cau-tio-ON."
If she really had a chance of 8 hours of sleeping but she records, writes and sings her own song. Compare to the other female entertainer whom I don’t know used different voices on tour 😂
Man. I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH!! You're teaching me things when I thought I knew everything about Mariah!! Love that you know so much of her trends and patterns that I absolutely would've missed. Can't wait for the next video. Also please, the longer the better loool.
I always wondered what happened during that period when she kind of tried to bring back the 90s image by singing romantic songs old and new. Maybe sales problems? Rebranding? Or just her being nostalgic...
I think it definitely has to do with the ending of her career “prime” after E=MC, as she started becoming seen more as a legacy artist, not to mention a Christmas figure by 2010. That’s why people say her career could have taken a different direction had E=MC received the promotion it deserved😔
@@VMariah yeah, makes sense, when I became a fan I thought she hated everything about the 90s and when I realized this "throwback" period I was like "oh my god, they probably forced her, she looks sad" so I understood that she didn't hate it, she just wanted to do other things, lol.
@@VMariah It wasn't an issue of promotion. E=MC^2 got the biggest first week sales of her career and the lead single was her last non-Christmas #1. The issue was that the second single - Bye Bye was an awful pick if you look at what was popular in 08.
I was thinking back to Mariah’s 1991-92 performances of emotions. She dodged the ending whistles in most of them. I think a lot of people wonder why she can’t go back to considering the whistles unimportant for the song, but I guess she was still very determined to not lip in her younger years, and not comfortable with lipping like she was in later years. Daydream had set the standard of always doing those whistles, so it makes sense that Butterfly would feel pressure to continue that through playback. But I suppose performing it again in 2009, she just decided to keep those whistles just cause she didn’t want to deal with dodging them and considered them an integral part of her identity as a singer.
yeah I've wondered about that too. I think most of the 1991-92 performances after Arsenio were shortened to purposely not include the last part with the whistles, but afterward she realized it was too iconic to skip
So uhh I think my 3rd comment was gonna be a something else but I forgot 😭. 3:43 - idk what this is called in singing, but after the Bb4 she tries another note and it sounds almost like extra air or something. Anyways whatever this is- to me this is the characteristic sound of Mariah’s voice post TAOM. I’m not sure if vocal damage or declining technique is the cause, but it’s really interesting. Even though her 2008 voice feels much closer to her earlier years that the 2010s to me, when she sang Touch my body in 2018, I realized that actually her voice still sounds quite similar to 2008 in good condition. All this is to say that her voice really has gradually changed, rather than having one turning point, there were multiple. I would say it’s Rainbow, TAOM, pregnancy, and 2014/2015.
Ok I promise this is the last comment (for now) I feel like E=MC^2 had an almost caution like approach to recording. Especially compared to the whistles and A5s of TEOM, it was a much more mellow album vocally. You’re right that it seemed like they were designed to be performed live more easily. Overall despite being the end of Mariah’s commercial prime, E= is very personal, especially with “I wish you well” and “side effects”. I know autotune was used by Mariah throughout the 2000s, but honestly I don’t hear it much in E= compared to memoirs, MC2U, or MIAM. It almost makes me think that nick/label pressures caused her to use this autotuned sound which was popular around that time.
I don't think Mariah was using autotune until the EOM era, which was more subtle to my ears compared to the late 00's era. E=MC2 and Memoirs are fine but god how I despise the heavy tuning on MIAM 😭
on positive side she able to do lypsinc cause in her earlier days when she did not lypsinc she did it so perfectly without a sense of taking deep breath and her high notes are effortless
Love this series but im scared for the 2010s and 2020s ones😭😭😭 specially when she sang aiwfciy and the internet DRAGGED her😭and the jamaica situation (im pretty sure)that when she sang fantasy and im pretty sure it made the news😭2010s was not a good time for her,also the new years eve thing that she couldn't sing I'm pretty sure cause of her ear monitor or whatever its called and people were calling her embarrassing 😭😭 If y'all don't remember the performances here they are😭 czcams.com/video/OKIY9tCaqU0/video.htmlsi=KNCKHkCX7AcZHp5R czcams.com/video/VmZcD9sIP7Q/video.htmlsi=r09vR-ydd4dL-RBa czcams.com/video/YEDucstaXgI/video.htmlsi=ljRXVMfUiBKYM6xd czcams.com/video/Xs8FaQFVXPc/video.htmlsi=60m3RWQoV9yrQlSj The 2010s werent also very kind to her i mean the internet do to her weight,for both losing and gaining which then Mariah ended up getting weight loss surgery (I really hope she didn't feel pressured to😢)and we cant forget when Ariana grande debuted and people were saying either she was the new Mariah and some toxic people were saying shes replacing her as if😭 Overall the media in the 2010s wasnt kind to her one bit Mariah obviously was going through some tough times after she divorced Nick Cannon
Idk but it always happens in her lipped performances for some reason😭 when I first became a lamb I remember thinking they were whistle harmonies or something
When she lips, her mic is still on and she's pushing air out so whistles come out lol. It happened a lot during Charmbracelet era and some times during Rainbow era too.
honestly I think it was because she was supposed to sing the remixed version and they didn't have the instrumental in the right key for her or something-but still kinda unhinged yeah
I would but it's fully lipped I think except for a few adlibs in the non-climax parts💀 and honestly I'm not too sure about exactly which of those phrases exactly are live either-but the climax is definitely lipped
Yes! The I Stay in Love climax is really convincing; I usually easily notice what's live and what's not, but I could never tell exactly where the playback starts at the 2008 AMAs performance.
Ok I remembered the comment I wanted to make. Btw sorry for spamming your comments. I was wondering if you were going to cover the one child rehearsal from the 2010 concert. It’s kind of like the rainbow rehearsal you showed which we could see her sing and decide to lip the chorus. She did 2 rehearsals and decided to do them live both times? I mean granted the second time was worse, so it makes sense why she decided to lip in the end, but nonetheless it’s interesting because her voice was in such good shape. I mean in general the televised show was pretty live, especially compared to the special she did with her mother which was more lipped I think but I can’t remember.
I am planning to cover it! I also thought it was interesting she changed the Come all ye faithful arrangement to sing it relatively more live in the Washington special compared to the version with her mother
oh wait... I should have covered it in this video💀 for some reason I associated it with part 6 in my notes. It's ok I'll make space for it at the beginning of part 6
Another dope video in this series. I do wish the E=MC² era lasted longer with more promotion, more singles (& better ones bye bye to "Bye Bye"), and a world tour. It's actually sad cause when you compare the two live performances of IBLYLT to the two live performances of ISIL, Mariah seemed happier in the former ones and probably was dealing with her miscarriage during the two latter ones. I will say the ISIL performances are some of her best lipped ones; for years I thought the climaxes were live until I later realized they weren't. I was hoping you'd touch upon her Hong Kong concert in 2008 where she had the confidence (like she did in Jamaica 2015) did those live attempts in songs like Dreamlover and MIH she hasn't done in years.
I've had this thought for quite some time - obviously she slimmed down a lot during E=MC², which gave her a confidence boost regarding her image. Could it be that she was more willing to try and hit the high notes, while being less preoccupied with her looks during singing?
She's knows her real fans know. Especially now. Which is why I believe she doesn't put much effort into making it seem like she's singing live. She's just trying to give a good show, vocally.
another great video! 14:27 isn’t necessarily a playback fail, more like her forgetting that she’s doing the full song again unlike the shortened arrangement from the 90s.. in some performances you can even hear her whistling a bit on that part before stopping lol speaking of, i love the emotions key during 2009, kinda wish she’d bring it back
you can hear a bit of her attempting the final whistles here at around 3:21 before she realizes the track doesn’t come on yet czcams.com/video/GBbjJq3L3hc/video.htmlsi=YH12nRA1sm4g6iwq
0:44 what song is this omg it sounds so good. nvm i shazamed it 1:09 not shocking 😭 kind of anachronistic comment. fans clearly didn’t gaf back then. i doubt they had an insight on her vocals or use of lipsync
Random thought but the obsessed performances from MOAIA are not that good. It was off pitch and then had raspy and strained belts. The best one is the American idol one. That one is AMAZING.The adlip at 9:03 is so good. Like omg her going lower is something she should do in the studio version!
All these situations teach us that "JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD" Those who have watched Black Music Archive would know exactly what I am talking about.
i actually prefer her 2010 style of lipping, i feel like it worked for her because it allowed her to rest her voice when she needed to, i hope one day she will go back to this style
I do too tbh. I think that time it was a good balance and it really helped her out where she needed it without detracting from her live slayage. After your era/Rockefeller is when things went a little more downhill with that approach, and then of course in the 2020s
The lipping system in I Want To Know What Love Is is genius
Mariah really gave us her voice...
2009-2010 goes along with her thing that when her belts are extremely good, her whistles tend to be weaker which is why we can see her lip 90% of whistles
She gave us her all. We need to understand she is human
2:49 that blended perfectly with the pre-recorded tracks.
I’m SO addicted to this series it’s like each time we get a step closer to present day and how it’s all lead up to her art of lip sync she’s currently using! Keep up the great work
Back in like 2012, I was obsessed with the Bye Bye performances, and I thought they were fully live. Then in, like, 2015, I realized they were lipped, and I figured they were fully lipped. But then I revisited those performances recently, and I realized they were partially live! Not only was I pleasantly surprised, but it also made me realize how well the live parts blended in with the track, as I assumed the live parts and lipped parts were the same (either live together or lipped together).
I wonder what will the 2024 video be like 😬
In today's era, she wants to work very little but still earn a lot and looks fabulous on the stage, she's very smart, isn't she, thanks to technology😂😂😂😂😂
@@najmialtaf3430technology made like every tik toker famous tho😂? Evroyone is a singger today
As you post more videos from these series I realize how important they are and in understanding her lip sync choices over the years. I’m so ready for the next video!!! Love the 2012-2014 era and 2015 was good too 😊
Thank you! also by 2015 I only meant Jamaica actually💀 Infinity is a whole other discussion
@@VMariahTbf Jamaica is a whole discussion all on its own. 😭
@@VMariah omg lmao in my head I was definitely separating Jamaica from the rest of 2015 which were both slaying in their own ways. It’s gonna be more than iconic if Jamaica got its own section in a video. It’s actually so interesting. And wtf happened during fantasy!? lmao
@@VMariahidk wth happened there and then there were news reports saying she embarrassingly lip sync😭😭😭😭
There’s one crucial performance you forgot to add . SNL 2008. She performed both Touch my body and Migrate. Touch my body was fully live and Migrate was sung almost completely live as well. I think the SNL performance of touch my body is actually the last time she performed a new single live.
You're right! I was alluding to SNL when I mentioned she sang TBM and Migrate fully live a few times, but I somehow forgot to mention it.
Still one of my favorite eras for her voice! 2008-2010 her voice was in such great condition! Can’t wait for the next part I’ve been anticipating the 2010s this whole series 😂
I literally love how informative these videos are 😭
I was the one who made it from 999 to 1000 🥳🥳🥳 congratulations,tbh,you deserve more than 1k,like at least 100k,great that you have got the attention more since the lipsync series 💗💗💗
yes I Stan this kinda non delusional fans ! And this lamb KNOW HIS FACTSSSS
Thank you truly! I’ll try to keep it up🥳❤️
@@VMariahremember us 1000 thousand subscribers are always here for you and your videos♥️😍
@@Theicons687 omg that is so sweet, thank you so much😭
@@VMariahnp😍I love your videos
Early E=MC² was Rainbow 2.0 in terms of her usage of playback. She tried to perform (most) her songs with very minimal playback as opposed to Charmbracelet and TEOM (the latter had less playback than Charmbracelet but still a generous amount), I wonder if she would've kept the formula if a tour for E=MC² would've kicked off. Overall, her formula for 2009 - 2013 was perfect imo
PS: I Want to Know What Love Is performances ATE and left no crumbs
yes exactly! who knows how an E=MC tour would have compared to TAOM tbh, kind of like how a Glitter tour might have compared to RWT
@@VMariah I picture a slightly hoarser version of MOAIA given her condition, a bit restricted in upper belts even (looking into the Hong Kong performance which was rumored to be the starter for the "cancelled" E=MC²)
@@alejandrogonzalezakamintyt2242 ohh imagine she would have had the Hong Kong confidence throughout the tour!
@@VMariah Would've been amazing, imagine the Dreamlover and Make It Happen attempts
IM LIVING FOR THIS SERIES UGHHH! SHES my favorite artists so it’s fun diving more and see you answer the questions and wonder just like us other lambs do too!💕💕
Love her will support her regardless her lipping its just fine with me. Her music, the smile she gives me, the positivity she gives out is beyond her lipping.
I wish lip synching wasn't such a huge part of her career, but the facts are what they are and even though she's truly earned the crown of "Queen of Lipsynch", she'll always be one of my favs artistically and in-studio vocals.
Not speaking for all lambs (only some) but once you become a big fan of Mariah, there's always that extremely hard period where you have to accept the grand extent of her lip synching and dubbing, even in the early years. We will call this "lambs crossing the rainbow bridge" 😂 Once I accepted this truth, going back and watching my fav performances to confront the lipsynch was like being on Iyanla Vanzant's "Fix My Life", having to address my childhood trauma. I avoided it, like the plague, for a while but I have come to terms with it and deal with it accordingly.
I'm hoping one day Mariah will learn to accept her voice and learn to sing comfortably so we can see her sing confidently again, with verbrato and in her deep, low, natural range. Hey maybe she will even have the nodule surgery. Will the real Contralto MC please stand up!?!?
60% live is still more then what MJ did. She also doesn’t lower her songs by an entire vocal type like he did. 🧐 I still love MJ though. Hard careers…
MJ danced though
What are u on about?...
ugh can’t wait for the 2012-2016 era 😍😍
I would 1st like to thank you for taking the time out to fully and carefully break these eras down so the PEOPLE and the lambs can understand mariah's creative technique! Myself and many others have argued for YEARS ABOUT WHATS LIVE WHATS NOT, WHATS LIPPED AND ETC. At this point , mariahs performances are a FORM OF HER ARTWORK AT THIS POINT and it's beyond LIPPING / LYP SYNC! one thing that you mentioned that has stuck to me is when you said sometimes it seems like she makes the backtrack so flawless to the point where it's like she's challenging her own self to prove that she can mimic a live line to duplicate the sound of the backtrack and that make SO MUCH SENSE 💯. KEEP UP YOUR AMAZING WORK AND WE CANT WAIT TILL THE NEXT ERA❤❤❤
I never noticed but 5 years of no VOL is crazy!!
But also that just shows how seriously she takes performing VOL
let’s not also forget that when she performed ibt fully live for mj’s funeral, she was also very much blamed even tho her voice was not at its best shape + she was very emotional
i bet this hasn’t really helped her confidence
Why was she blamed at mj funeral? I lost
U are literally reviving the lambily channels cuz they r all on hiatus and u DESERVE 1K. I mean u deserve more than Mr beast but u have to start somewhere.
Thank you so much😭 tbh I’ve been on my own yt hiatus once so I can understand why everyone isn’t feeling motivated at the moment, but I’ll try my best going forward!
Yeeessss because where are the lamb channels at? lmao. Times like this make me miss Mariahxlambily cuz they stayed feeding us 😮💨
@onedollarbleach6891 I became a lamb after mxl's disappearance so I have no clue how sad it was to their fans. Queen of lambily, TDOMC, fishriah, MXL, are all not posting or posting often as well as many more channels. VMariah is saving the lambily!
@@jasonrice7710 MXL disappearance was controversial bc a lot of ppl didn’t really like their content after awhile bc they thought it was too “spammy”. Honestly at times it kinda was but one thing about them was they updated us on everything Mariah, they had videos out seconds/minutes after Mariah news broke lol. Great work ethic and beautiful gowns, she will be missed 🤧😭
@@jasonrice7710 And yessss thanx to Vmariah for saving the day 🙌🏾🤞🏾
Great vid! Just want to point out Mariah did a live B6 at the end of SIO every night in the 2009 Vegas shows (all of them are different and some aren’t that great tbh) - she still had consistency in whistle then imo but not the control of earlier years
Ok I love 2008- I know her voice wasn’t as good as 2009-2010, but confidentriah was really shining through. Especially like her Christmas baby please come home performance among others is super underrated. But honestly that performance makes you realize how much her voice declined in the 2010s, even Beacon 2014 wasn’t as strong in that song.
I was surprised by how many attempts that performance had after revisiting it for this video, like the phrased F5 and Eb5s??
We all know Mariah has nodules, isn't rested like many other singers get to be because people always want to talk to her and doesn't like performing in the morning. When other singers are warming up their voice Mariah is waking up and in glam. Choices. Yes she will lip for many reason sometimes to rest a damaged voice, sometimes the venue she is appearing at has everyone lip, but we all know she recovers and comes back with amazing vocals each and every time. And let's not forget to mention the corsets! Who can sing when they can't breath? Mariah is more vain than she is proud if her voice unfortunately. I love her and am tired of all the criticism enjoy and celebrate her genius while we have her please people. She is getting up there who knows how much longer she will even want to perform live anymore.
FUN FACT: I never knew Mariah lipped Hero pre 2020 era. It boggles my mind she lipped it starting here when she was sustaining Bb4's a few years later at beacon theater like it was nothing...
I knew! But you’re not alone. There’s thousands of deluded lambs who would watch these videos and still say she’s not lipsyncing, so it’s ok. Welcome to the light 😊
Lol, you can hear accidental whistles behind the track during the lipped parts.
She gave some really good vocals in this eras. Like the c5 in always be my baby in Palm. And what about the Love Story Acoustic?
Really excited for the next video like:
-the Jimmy Fallon video with the fans (2013)
-the Happy Birthday song for her Friend (You’re mine instrumental)
- My All belts in Australia (2013)
- Acapella moment of cant let go & Love takes time live in Sydney
- She also had really great vocals during #1 residency and the Sweet Sweet Fantasy Tour❤
Yeah, she really takes more serious her live singing at 2012-2017, she tried her hardest and best live 💯
Nice! Angels Cry bridge is live btw 🥰
yeah I realized that just now...😬
@@VMariah it’s ok! Other interesting points from this era: It’s A Wrap being more live on TV than on tour (and still being a hard song with multiple live D5/C5s); 100% lipped MIH bridge in one of the AAT concerts; Emotions being lowered but still using the same playback parts/lowered studio version
@@coltonisalamb also I think hateu was also more live on letterman than on tour, though that might have been a playback failure
@@VMariah yes definitely more live! Kinda like what she did with My All and Butterfly in 97
Your analysis is always spot on and I love how your videos give lambs the opportunity to discuss and learn something new about our favorite performances. Can't wait for the next part.
So I didn't see it referenced here, but I wanted to talk about the "I Stay In Love" performances. I've always felt based on her live attempts, voice at the time, and her confidence that there's almost no chance those climaxes were live but I see a lot of people try to say they are. It seems unrealistic to me but maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah, I'm 99% sure it's not live. For Mariah's standards it's a pretty convincing lip-sync, but as you said all the factors indicate that there's basically no chance it's live
Her problem was her dodging…. She would dodge into complicated falsetto or whistle which damaged her belts even further.
6:36 - If...LORD KNOWS...that was funny
What a great series of videos, I'm already scared of 2020's coming soon...but it's fine just for now, top-notch content, you're making a big deal I couldn't really finish
I would argue she started lipping practically all built in whistles in Charmbracelet, as this was when she stopped performing Emotions and Dreamlover and Heartbreaker were already being lipped anyways
Yes definitely, it just didn’t really take effect until this era because she did so many of the non-built in whistles anyway. I think the Never Too Far whistle is like precisely the last one she did live in that sense
@@VMariah there is technically the caution one (whether you would consider that an ad-lib or a background)
@@Solo-vh9fm Yeah ig that one should classify as built-in. I think she attempted it pretty much every night right?
@@VMariahI think there was only one night when she didn't, but every other night she did! I remember one night it seemed like she wasn't gonna do it, then in the very end of the song she squeezed out a cute lil "cau-tio-ON."
I'm really looking forward to every new episode of this series, you're amazing!
I consciously and deliberately sing "Stop singing my part now baby" when singing Touch my body on the karaoke 😭😭😭
Lol, I think WE ALL sing that part
If she really had a chance of 8 hours of sleeping but she records, writes and sings her own song. Compare to the other female entertainer whom I don’t know used different voices on tour 😂
8:07 she looks like Divas 1998 here
i have been waiting so long for this!
i just luuuv your videos, they are so educational
One of her Best style and body
Man. I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH!! You're teaching me things when I thought I knew everything about Mariah!! Love that you know so much of her trends and patterns that I absolutely would've missed. Can't wait for the next video. Also please, the longer the better loool.
I always wondered what happened during that period when she kind of tried to bring back the 90s image by singing romantic songs old and new. Maybe sales problems? Rebranding? Or just her being nostalgic...
I think it definitely has to do with the ending of her career “prime” after E=MC, as she started becoming seen more as a legacy artist, not to mention a Christmas figure by 2010. That’s why people say her career could have taken a different direction had E=MC received the promotion it deserved😔
@@VMariah yeah, makes sense, when I became a fan I thought she hated everything about the 90s and when I realized this "throwback" period I was like "oh my god, they probably forced her, she looks sad" so I understood that she didn't hate it, she just wanted to do other things, lol.
@@VMariah It wasn't an issue of promotion. E=MC^2 got the biggest first week sales of her career and the lead single was her last non-Christmas #1. The issue was that the second single - Bye Bye was an awful pick if you look at what was popular in 08.
@@PatchesNjose yeah you’re right what I meant was promotion as in choice of singles. Justice for Migrate😢
@@PatchesNjose Don't do that, Bye Bye is still one of my favorites til this day... *BYE* 🙄💀
a very well thought and researched analysis, kudos I love it!!! ❤️❤️🌈💅🏻
10:14 This IWKNWLI is so good fr!!!!
I was thinking back to Mariah’s 1991-92 performances of emotions. She dodged the ending whistles in most of them. I think a lot of people wonder why she can’t go back to considering the whistles unimportant for the song, but I guess she was still very determined to not lip in her younger years, and not comfortable with lipping like she was in later years. Daydream had set the standard of always doing those whistles, so it makes sense that Butterfly would feel pressure to continue that through playback. But I suppose performing it again in 2009, she just decided to keep those whistles just cause she didn’t want to deal with dodging them and considered them an integral part of her identity as a singer.
yeah I've wondered about that too. I think most of the 1991-92 performances after Arsenio were shortened to purposely not include the last part with the whistles, but afterward she realized it was too iconic to skip
So uhh I think my 3rd comment was gonna be a something else but I forgot 😭.
3:43 - idk what this is called in singing, but after the Bb4 she tries another note and it sounds almost like extra air or something. Anyways whatever this is- to me this is the characteristic sound of Mariah’s voice post TAOM. I’m not sure if vocal damage or declining technique is the cause, but it’s really interesting. Even though her 2008 voice feels much closer to her earlier years that the 2010s to me, when she sang Touch my body in 2018, I realized that actually her voice still sounds quite similar to 2008 in good condition. All this is to say that her voice really has gradually changed, rather than having one turning point, there were multiple. I would say it’s Rainbow, TAOM, pregnancy, and 2014/2015.
Ok I promise this is the last comment (for now) I feel like E=MC^2 had an almost caution like approach to recording. Especially compared to the whistles and A5s of TEOM, it was a much more mellow album vocally. You’re right that it seemed like they were designed to be performed live more easily. Overall despite being the end of Mariah’s commercial prime, E= is very personal, especially with “I wish you well” and “side effects”. I know autotune was used by Mariah throughout the 2000s, but honestly I don’t hear it much in E= compared to memoirs, MC2U, or MIAM. It almost makes me think that nick/label pressures caused her to use this autotuned sound which was popular around that time.
I don't think Mariah was using autotune until the EOM era, which was more subtle to my ears compared to the late 00's era. E=MC2 and Memoirs are fine but god how I despise the heavy tuning on MIAM 😭
Did Mariah hire you to do this? I sometimes feel like Mariah herself is behind videos like this or sudden surfacings of unseen footage of her
I wish lol, but no Mariah wasn't behind this, just me😔
@@VMariah Monroe?!
@@heeheeriah 💀
on positive side she able to do lypsinc cause in her earlier days when she did not lypsinc she did it so perfectly without a sense of taking deep breath and her high notes are effortless
Love this series but im scared for the 2010s and 2020s ones😭😭😭 specially when she sang aiwfciy and the internet DRAGGED her😭and the jamaica situation (im pretty sure)that when she sang fantasy and im pretty sure it made the news😭2010s was not a good time for her,also the new years eve thing that she couldn't sing I'm pretty sure cause of her ear monitor or whatever its called and people were calling her embarrassing 😭😭
If y'all don't remember the performances here they are😭
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The 2010s werent also very kind to her i mean the internet do to her weight,for both losing and gaining which then Mariah ended up getting weight loss surgery (I really hope she didn't feel pressured to😢)and we cant forget when Ariana grande debuted and people were saying either she was the new Mariah and some toxic people were saying shes replacing her as if😭
Overall the media in the 2010s wasnt kind to her one bit Mariah obviously was going through some tough times after she divorced Nick Cannon
DUDE YOUR 9 AWAY FROM 1000!
Omg thank you!! I have to think of something for a 1k special lol
0:04 is that her accidentally whistling under the playback😭
Idk but it always happens in her lipped performances for some reason😭 when I first became a lamb I remember thinking they were whistle harmonies or something
@@VMariah6:53 its definitely her pushing air through causing her to accidentally whistle but omg, why is it so loud in this performance #&#*#&#>#😭😭
@@superbored4576they probably forgot to turn off her mic💀
@@superbored4576I think this was her first time using this lipping formula for Hero, so maybe that’s why
@@superbored4576 check her performance of Bye Bye on Idol, she's whistled there more than through the entire 2009
That obsessed performance OMGGGGGGG that was a great 🔥 especially when they lifted her in the air and she was whistling GOOD GOD
I know right that was so cool😍
I am the only one who noticed the extra whistle note during playback like at 2:54 ; 3:26 ; 6:37 ; 6:53 ; 7:04 ??
When she lips, her mic is still on and she's pushing air out so whistles come out lol. It happened a lot during Charmbracelet era and some times during Rainbow era too.
0:51 I have never seen?? It's kinda unhinged how she's shamelessly lipping to her 1991 vocals in her big year of 2007 lmao
honestly I think it was because she was supposed to sing the remixed version and they didn't have the instrumental in the right key for her or something-but still kinda unhinged yeah
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The next video is going to be long. Can't wait
I wish you analyzed her stay in love performance, I struggle to realize what part is lipped/live or if it's lipped entirely in it's climax at least
I would but it's fully lipped I think except for a few adlibs in the non-climax parts💀 and honestly I'm not too sure about exactly which of those phrases exactly are live either-but the climax is definitely lipped
@@VMariah Much of it is the studio version too lol
Yes! The I Stay in Love climax is really convincing; I usually easily notice what's live and what's not, but I could never tell exactly where the playback starts at the 2008 AMAs performance.
@@Fr0zenPeanut It's fully lipped, so there's no "start" of it. It's just the full thing.
Ok I remembered the comment I wanted to make. Btw sorry for spamming your comments. I was wondering if you were going to cover the one child rehearsal from the 2010 concert. It’s kind of like the rainbow rehearsal you showed which we could see her sing and decide to lip the chorus. She did 2 rehearsals and decided to do them live both times? I mean granted the second time was worse, so it makes sense why she decided to lip in the end, but nonetheless it’s interesting because her voice was in such good shape. I mean in general the televised show was pretty live, especially compared to the special she did with her mother which was more lipped I think but I can’t remember.
I am planning to cover it! I also thought it was interesting she changed the Come all ye faithful arrangement to sing it relatively more live in the Washington special compared to the version with her mother
oh wait... I should have covered it in this video💀 for some reason I associated it with part 6 in my notes. It's ok I'll make space for it at the beginning of part 6
@@VMariah part 6 starting out with the babies!
Another dope video in this series. I do wish the E=MC² era lasted longer with more promotion, more singles (& better ones bye bye to "Bye Bye"), and a world tour. It's actually sad cause when you compare the two live performances of IBLYLT to the two live performances of ISIL, Mariah seemed happier in the former ones and probably was dealing with her miscarriage during the two latter ones. I will say the ISIL performances are some of her best lipped ones; for years I thought the climaxes were live until I later realized they weren't. I was hoping you'd touch upon her Hong Kong concert in 2008 where she had the confidence (like she did in Jamaica 2015) did those live attempts in songs like Dreamlover and MIH she hasn't done in years.
You are doing the lord’s work
I've had this thought for quite some time - obviously she slimmed down a lot during E=MC², which gave her a confidence boost regarding her image. Could it be that she was more willing to try and hit the high notes, while being less preoccupied with her looks during singing?
I wish she'll go back to this style, with a balanced proportions of lipped and live vocals.
Is she aware that people know she's lipping this much? Or does she think we're all stupid? Or maybe she knows but doesn't care haha
She's knows her real fans know. Especially now. Which is why I believe she doesn't put much effort into making it seem like she's singing live. She's just trying to give a good show, vocally.
I still think it's INSANE that she basically had to apologize for missing a couple of notes during HER FRIEND'S FUNERAL.
I don’t know why she even got criticism for that tbh. It was a very small flaw in a very beautiful performance
another great video! 14:27 isn’t necessarily a playback fail, more like her forgetting that she’s doing the full song again unlike the shortened arrangement from the 90s.. in some performances you can even hear her whistling a bit on that part before stopping lol speaking of, i love the emotions key during 2009, kinda wish she’d bring it back
you can hear a bit of her attempting the final whistles here at around 3:21 before she realizes the track doesn’t come on yet
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Her lipping never looks realistic to me like I can always tell lol that’s why I would never pay to see her live
what is TAOM? like I know what TEOM means but I seen TAOM been used in this series a lot
The Adventures of Mimi, her tour for TEOM
lambs what is the name of the first song ? the acoustic one i think
Right to dream, from her 2008 movie
@@VMariah Thank you ❤ your videos are great.
@1:52 beautiful intro ❤
0:44 what song is this omg it sounds so good. nvm i shazamed it
1:09 not shocking 😭 kind of anachronistic comment. fans clearly didn’t gaf back then. i doubt they had an insight on her vocals or use of lipsync
I'm curious about 'I want to know what love is' in Oprah, is it lipped? the whistle sounds weak, or is it live?
the belting parts are mostly live! but the whistle is lipped, yes
On bye bye she did the f5 live too
Oh I was wondering about that😅 I wasn’t sure tho because the rehearsal and live take for GMA sounded oddly similar
@@VMariah she always do it live on many tv appearances
@@thelegendofmimi3151 there are 4 performances of Bye Bye, one fully lipped
So was Migrate & Tmb Fully live on the bet special then then love story was mostly live?
Yes pretty much!
What’s the name of the intro song?
I’m not talking about hero btw but the one after that
14:26 I think that mistake was Mariah’s. The whistles weren’t supposed to come in yet 🤭
yup!
Random thought but the obsessed performances from MOAIA are not that good. It was off pitch and then had raspy and strained belts. The best one is the American idol one. That one is AMAZING.The adlip at 9:03 is so good. Like omg her going lower is something she should do in the studio version!
Release next vid alteady
0:27 what song is that?
Right to dream, from a movie Mariah did in 2008
@@VMariah thanks
where did mariah lip ill be there?
in The Adventures of Mimi 2006. She lipped two of the "I'll be THERRRREEEEE"s for most of the tour
@@VMariah wth ive never noticed that tho never paid much attention to IBT performances from 2006 tbh
The Queen of botched lipsynch
heyy that's mean😔
All these situations teach us that "JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD"
Those who have watched Black Music Archive would know exactly what I am talking about.
Let’s be clear. This is opinion.
did you not watch the video?
6:32 Mariah’s hitting treys note lol
Omg I didn’t even notice, that’s so cool
@@outsideskippy1997 lol it’s beautiful
Second!🤩
Loving this series of videos ❤ You’re so professional and analytical. Can’t wait to see the next 🫶🏾 Mimi is so fantastic