Matching Ties with Pocket Squares | Sartorial Dialogues

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  • čas přidán 21. 06. 2024
  • Your tie and handkerchief should not match. Proff said it, and Pete agrees. They should complement each other but not match. Much like Proff and Pete.
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  • @AskOkeyInc
    @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

    Click the link below to watch the full video.
    czcams.com/video/vMKL5wfqjEA/video.html

  • @TRusheeRush
    @TRusheeRush Před měsícem +13

    in this video, Pete demonstrates to us why over-the-calf socks are non-negotiable.

  • @remmingtonsteele2287
    @remmingtonsteele2287 Před měsícem +22

    I believe the reason they were, and are, sold together was to give the option of wearing one or the other. You were choosing the tie because it worked with your outfit, then a pocket square would work with the outfit as well. This way you can choose to either wear the tie or handkerchief with your outfit and choose a complimentary tie or handkerchief to go with it.
    Buyers started to think this was like a wine pairing, recommending that they should wear the two together, and started to do so. Mainly as a takeaway from catalog ordering that saw a major take over during that time.

    • @peterbarlow3406
      @peterbarlow3406 Před měsícem

      Could be

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +2

      Yes indeed
      But many just wear them together anyways 😅

    • @petertensuda1192
      @petertensuda1192 Před měsícem +2

      They were sold to people as an efficient choice for who only dressed up once or twice a decade

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@petertensuda1192 Absolutely Peter

  • @ONITru7h
    @ONITru7h Před měsícem +5

    I sell men's wear and I often still get men asking about matching pocket squares... If they truly want to match colors, I usually tell them to match the shirt... That way it'll always work with that shirt regardless of the tie.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      Matching the sherry meaning color?
      I certainly hope not same fabric

  • @royalcapitalfx9814
    @royalcapitalfx9814 Před měsícem +4

    😂 you created a storm alright........ cheers to us who like before we watch and then rewatch a thousand times then share... Royal Capital checking in ❤

  • @henryfraipont9343
    @henryfraipont9343 Před měsícem +2

    Okey you are exactly right about this. I wish more people would realize…

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      That’s right Henry. But here we are ..

  • @kelvinwang2570
    @kelvinwang2570 Před měsícem +7

    Today I learned that Peter is a fellow Canadian!

  • @tonydeltablues
    @tonydeltablues Před měsícem +4

    I've just bought, off of Ebay, a beautiful and large silk/wool, rolled edges paisley patterned (almost Madder silk-like) pocket square. I'm 'bout pleased as can be and can't wait to wear it....not a match to the tie, however....what on earth do I do ;-)
    Tony

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

      Wear in good health Tony 🔥

  • @brucer6239
    @brucer6239 Před měsícem +2

    Pete steps out of the Ed McMahon role and provides a bit of history, hitherto unknown to Proff. Bravo, Pete! Though you never should have blown your cover as an English gentleman with an OE vibe. That said, some of the old time Canadian NHL hockey coaches were very well dressed. Before he went 5 standard deviations outside of Nick Foulkes, Don Cherry was perhaps the best dressed, closely followed by Scottie Bowman.
    I do have one comment re: your use of the word gentleman…I considerate it a definition best used to describe behavior. There are many gentlemen, who simply have not been educated in the finer points of men’s clothing. For example, there are many gentleman, who will wear a tuxedo with notched lapels, two buttons, and a double vent. Recently, I took my 30 y/o son to buy a new tuxedo and was shocked how many high-end stores, offer very expensive tuxedos, which violate the rules of the road for formal wear.
    Finally, Pete nailed it. Many trends are driven purely by (ignorant) marketers. This is even more prevalent for women’s clothing.
    Keep up your great efforts to educate the sartorially unwashed!
    In Servitio Pudoris!

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      Beautifully written BRUCE ALMIGHTY 😁🙌🏾

  • @Bensonisalsobenz
    @Bensonisalsobenz Před měsícem +4

    Proff, do type of collars, lapel, and cuffs. I dig that 🙏😆

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

      Benson, we’ve covered collars extensively in our series on shirts. Please see our CZcams Archives

    • @Bensonisalsobenz
      @Bensonisalsobenz Před měsícem

      @@AskOkeyInc awesome ill check it out👍

  • @dariuszkucias3958
    @dariuszkucias3958 Před měsícem +1

    Interesting film! I think you're right 99.99% of the time when it comes to pairing a pocket square and tie. I always use these accessories made of different fabrics, and I have never bought or thought about buying a "ready-made set". Especially since even now (at least in Poland) it is a very popular product in chain stores selling bad suits. However, I happened to see photos on Instagram, probably from Pitti Uomo, where the tie and the pocket square were made of the same piece of material. The main difference was that it wasn't shiny tacky polyester, but rather printed silk or wool, in a very similar style to your tie in this video. And even though it went against every principle I had learned, I had to admit with resignation that it looked good. Hence the 0.01% disagreement. I believe that almost every rule of men's fashion can be broken with style, although sometimes it is terribly difficult.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

      Break the rules if you wish Darius. So long as your understand the consequences

  • @alternateunreleasedshellac505

    The King returns!

  • @chillinwosbornesm9281
    @chillinwosbornesm9281 Před měsícem +3

    Great response and excellent knowledge history

  • @fernandomoreira2598
    @fernandomoreira2598 Před měsícem +1

    Very good!!

  • @cannedpineapple2702
    @cannedpineapple2702 Před měsícem +7

    Just so you know, Sartorial Talks is also a channel ran by hugo jacomet :) both great channels!!!

  • @ISO_international_friends
    @ISO_international_friends Před měsícem +1

    The same with me towards my shoes and purse matching. But staying on topic. I’ve always assumed the man’s handkerchief was there to clean glasses off or dry tears. A handy resourceful men’s accessory.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

      Well technically a handkerchief (white) is traditionally for mopping the face and tears off most eyed ladies 😁
      But they are now considered accessories

    • @user-wd4ge2zh2c
      @user-wd4ge2zh2c Před měsícem

      They're really just for decoration now. If you want a functional handkerchief, fold one up and keep it in your jacket pocket.

    • @ISO_international_friends
      @ISO_international_friends Před měsícem

      @@user-wd4ge2zh2c yes I keep an embroidered one in my purse.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@user-wd4ge2zh2c Very simple 💯

  • @user-dq1kr6zc2t
    @user-dq1kr6zc2t Před měsícem +2

    Match identically is definitely not a great look. But having a pocket square with similar color or complimentary colors is acceptable. White cotton pocket squares are always great because of how versatile they work. An outfit, in its entirety, has to be harmonious. That's what one has to remember when putting together a look. If the pocket square detracts from everything, it most likely isn't the appropriate choice.
    P.S. was Pete born in Canada?! Incredible. I am from Canada!

  • @MTXSHO9732vV8SHO
    @MTXSHO9732vV8SHO Před 12 dny

    I'm here to be advised regarding good taste in clothing, well.. Inspired. I think I do quite well on my own but I'm definitely open to suggestions. The Classic, good looks of everything you wear are just that, inspiring.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před 12 dny +1

      @@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO That’s the spirit 🔥

  • @timothyohearn9565
    @timothyohearn9565 Před měsícem +1

    O Canada! Shout out to Eaton, Simpsons, and Sears! Still see their garments when thrifting today :)

  • @jvonbor
    @jvonbor Před měsícem +1

    what type of pocket square would be appropriate with a pocket tee shirt?

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      What exactly is a pocket tee shirt?

  • @1grendizer
    @1grendizer Před měsícem +1

    Sir, I am attending a wedding in a few weeks, any advice? (It will be hot where I’m going)
    Love your content!

  • @user-vy9tf4wn1o
    @user-vy9tf4wn1o Před měsícem +1

    what is the name of the pocket square fold in the thumbnail? It's not a 3 point fold but an asymmetrical mountain 2 point fold?

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      Just pinch it in the middle and stuff if upside down in your pocket
      That’s the name of the fold 😁

  • @R4STABAN
    @R4STABAN Před měsícem

    You can still buy matching sets, but retailers also offer sets where the pocket square is more complimentary

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      Of course you can doesn’t mean you should

  • @user-db4um7kc9d
    @user-db4um7kc9d Před měsícem +1

    Okey provokes us with his flamboyant suit

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

      FLAMINGO 🦩
      Salmon Corduroy

  • @brucer6239
    @brucer6239 Před měsícem +2

    In Servitio Pudoris!

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      That’s our new MOTTO 🔥
      Bruce Almighty 🙌🏾

  • @user-wd4ge2zh2c
    @user-wd4ge2zh2c Před měsícem

    I want that blue coat and those grey slacks.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +1

      It’s a donegal tweed coat In cloth by W. Bill
      We made that one for Pete
      www.AskOkey.com/shop

  • @SAGHAJAR
    @SAGHAJAR Před měsícem +1

    I still don’t understand why they shouldn’t match, what is the reason “s” ? I have many of them bought as a set from Jermyn Street London, I am pretty sure down in Saville Row you can find matching ties with pocket squares.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      It’s too “CONTRIVED”
      Simple.

    • @jamesmeuwissen
      @jamesmeuwissen Před měsícem +1

      As accessories, both should be accent pieces. They kind of lose that function when they match each other that closely.

  • @leeriding3746
    @leeriding3746 Před měsícem +2

    Just ordered my first Rampley & Co. pocket square. Too expensive but I have to try one. Are you familiar with that brand?

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +2

      I’ve heard of the brand and see them fairly frequently on instagram but no prior experience

    • @brucer6239
      @brucer6239 Před měsícem +1

      Simonnot Godard is the gold standard for pocket squares, but there are many high quality products available. Rampley & Co. is similar to Kirby Allison and Gentlemen’s Gazette/Fort Belvedere. They each carry well-established brands and their own branded products. I bought some linen Fort Belvedere pocket squares a couple of years ago and they are excellent. Kirby Allison stocks Simonnot Godard, but they can be found online somewhat less expensively.

    • @leeriding3746
      @leeriding3746 Před měsícem

      @@brucer6239 I received my Rampley & Co one and it’s beautiful. The 42cm size means that it will actually stay in the pocket without moving. I got the 28th battalion battle one.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@brucer6239 All very good names Bruce

  • @megaman2016
    @megaman2016 Před měsícem +2

    Okey what colour are your shoes and what colour are his?

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      Mega, my shoes are deep Burgundy oxfords . Pete’s shoes are mid-brown oxfords

    • @megaman2016
      @megaman2016 Před měsícem +1

      @@AskOkeyInc deep burgundy looks so regal!

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@megaman2016 Very much so Mega 🔥

  • @tedcoulter5106
    @tedcoulter5106 Před 15 dny

    I grew up the rule was always Match my socks, handkerchief and tie. Never to mix them up like we do today. I was taught by old money. Then I got a job that it was part of our uniform

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před 15 dny

      @@tedcoulter5106 Very well then Ted 😁
      Welcome aboard

  • @TRusheeRush
    @TRusheeRush Před měsícem +2

    Sartorial Talks? Where is Hugo Jacomet?

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      Why do you ask?

    • @TRusheeRush
      @TRusheeRush Před měsícem

      @@AskOkeyInc" Sartorial Talks" is the name of the CZcams channel and video series of Hugo Jacomet, creator of the Parisian Gentleman magazine. He also makes extremely high quality menswear videos.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@TRusheeRush Ah I see

  • @fourierrocket
    @fourierrocket Před měsícem +3

    How do you properly fold the pocket square?

    • @slingniknik353
      @slingniknik353 Před měsícem +3

      You don't, you stuff them

    • @tomjoadism
      @tomjoadism Před měsícem +1

      There are a huge variety of folds and patterns. There's even cardstock pieces you can fold them around to keep the breat pocket flat and clean, rather than buldging. A quick Google Ssearch will likely beca great place to start

    • @timothyohearn9565
      @timothyohearn9565 Před měsícem +2

      Fold in half then the other way in half and so on and until you make a square and have the edges showing. The tv fold. Works best with a white linen square and goes with everything.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem +2

      You never told a pocket square. I’m not fan of TV Folds
      Grab it in the center and just stuff it in your breast pocket

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@slingniknik353Correct sir 💯

  • @sammajor2075
    @sammajor2075 Před měsícem +1

    2:25
    I am part of the 95%.
    But endeavoring to be in that 5%.

  • @ronrutjr
    @ronrutjr Před měsícem

    These sets ares still sold today. I had no idea it wasn't acceptable in the Gentleman's World.

  • @jamesmeuwissen
    @jamesmeuwissen Před měsícem +1

    Proff what are your thoughts on this modern abomination of wearing a suit with a T shirt or an open collar like a polo? Too much of a clash in formality.

  • @undercookedwaffel
    @undercookedwaffel Před měsícem +5

    I remember I heard my dad say I have to match my tie with handkerchief and I died inside😅

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      OH DEAR 🤦🏾
      How did you navigate that discussion?? 😅

    • @undercookedwaffel
      @undercookedwaffel Před měsícem

      I'm not sure how I managed it, my mom also insisted on matching handkerchief with tie. This was the day before my sister's 18th birthday party, I didn't end up wearing a handkerchief in the end.

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      @@undercookedwaffel Thank Goodness 😅

  • @sumittiwari1387
    @sumittiwari1387 Před měsícem +1

    Why u make such small video proff. when i am start to develope taste ! The video got ended

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      There’s more on the way Summit. This is just a teaser 😁

  • @bklynbatallday104
    @bklynbatallday104 Před měsícem +2

    Well a gentleman Was raised to shop at.B Altman & Co or Barney's. But we are all getting away from all of that. That was in the past.😂❤

    • @AskOkeyInc
      @AskOkeyInc  Před měsícem

      EXACTLY Brooklyn. I could think of a few more men’s classic clothiers in New York City

  • @mihirdeshpande4345
    @mihirdeshpande4345 Před měsícem +4

    But what really is the problem with the matching fabric of the tie and pocket square?

    • @MadeInFranceASMR
      @MadeInFranceASMR Před měsícem +6

      It immediately tells to everyone you’re trying show the effort you’re putting in the way you dress, which kinda goes against the philosophy of the sprezzatura. It catches the eye and drives attention to your outfit instead of yourself, while the outfit should never attract more attention than the person wearing it, when it comes to classic style to say the least. I’m just repeating the wise words of Hugo Jacomet from the CZcams channel Startorial Talks.
      Sure there is parts that are advised to match, like shoes and belt, but this is much more subtle and lower in the silhouette, while ties and pocket are at eye level, I guess.

    • @mihirdeshpande4345
      @mihirdeshpande4345 Před měsícem +2

      I'd probably need more effort to find different fabrics of the same colour lol

    • @MadeInFranceASMR
      @MadeInFranceASMR Před měsícem +3

      @@mihirdeshpande4345 Ikr, but this is the whole philosophy of the sprezzatura, putting effort in dressing like you’ve not make much effort. Here it’s more about just grabbing the first pocket you find in your wardrobe before leaving your house, not really about buying the matching pieces together at the store. It’s about the effort of composing your outfit at home and preparing for the day, not buying the clothes :)
      That said, it doesn’t change the argument of driving attention at eye level, that must’ve been the main reason way before that sprezzatura thing

    • @Gentlemens-Order
      @Gentlemens-Order Před měsícem +5

      I think it has to do more with it being cheap.
      I don’t think you will ever find a high quality tie made out of a good fabric in a set like that. Or maybe you can but it’s definitely not the norm.
      When people see a matching set they immediately think about those very inexpensive and low qualitative (most often synthetic and in unappealing patterns or colors) sets you get at fast fashion stores.

    • @nonnobis2232
      @nonnobis2232 Před měsícem +5

      It's crass to match. You don't buy them as a set, not anywhere decent that is.

  • @rogerr.8507
    @rogerr.8507 Před měsícem +2

    people watch reels??

  • @corryt8008
    @corryt8008 Před 27 dny

    No nay saying commenters

  • @antoinekikkers9022
    @antoinekikkers9022 Před měsícem +1

    You can make a slit in de back op your suit, so the tie goes through the slit and ends up in your breastspocket.

  • @briansnow2984
    @briansnow2984 Před 23 dny

    Please stop talking over each other