Bully SE: The little change that made a big difference
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2020
- At first I thought this particular change wasn't such a big deal but eventually I realised that it made a huge impact. Although it didn't make any difference gameplay wise, it was the perfect change to further develop each faction's personality.
Dennis Opel is working on a game called Mad Streets, here's his twitter account if you want to check its progress or if you want to see more early Bully animations:
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Dennis himself stated that all the unique mechanics in these clips were tests on his own machine and like only 3 people saw them back in the day. Rockstar never greenlit any of this stuff therefore it was never in the beta version to begin with. Imagine it as a "what if" scenario, a proof of concept. At first I wanted to talk about the mechanics and stuff from the clips but since they weren't officially part of the game at any point I didn't bother. The original clips already have text written by him about how stuff could have worked.
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DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE THIS SHOULDVE BEEN IN THE GAME, IT WOULDVE BEEN PRAISED FOR THE BEST COMBAT SYSTEM IN ALL OF PS2 BEATEM UPS.
That sure looks cool not gonna lie
Dmc3 exists tho
@@AsianBoah dmc3 is hack n slash
@Greatest Marijuano don't fret, I too still awaits for the warriors remake
@@AsianBoah Me too guys, but unfortunately, a remake of The Warriors game it could be difficult due to the copyrights of the movie and the permission of the actors to appear in the game once again : ( but I also want this old mechanics of Bully fighting system in the game, I really love both games.
Those combos in the beginning.... maaaaan, those were like 10 years ahead. not even games today have such a fighting system. i swear the first half of this video made my jaw drop. good findings mate.
Dude you overreacting or never heard of RDR 2
@@f.b.i2198 The clips stated that the attacks were individual inputs from the controller. Not the button mashing from red dead 2 and the final cut of bully
@@f.b.i2198 rdr2 fist fighting still isn't better then bullies, they made 1 fighting style, while bully had over 15 diffrent styles, and still alot didn't make it
Sleeping dogs, the Batman Arkham games, spiderman (2018) and the Yakuza games say hi.
@@haiderkhan6486 The only games in that list that are somewhat comparable to Bully’s Beta combat style is Sleeping Dogs and maybe Yakuza, but they’re still very different, so in a way the OP was right
In an alternate universe where we get a Bully sequel, I hope the fighting is like this. It's much more technical and clean looking
a mix of inspiration from yakuza would make the game fun, like having multiple fighting styles or others
that made Jimmy even scarier to mess with
0:00 THAT COMBO THOUGH
The combos look so cool. I also really like the odea of the clique members having their own counters against surprise charges like what Peanut did. I can imagine any of the cliques doing moves like that, except for the Nerds, which is obvious.
Feel kinda bad for nerds xD
The old fighting style looks like the one Jimmy uses in the boxing minigame for the Preppies, with the bobbing and weaving stance and dodging.
It's still pretty cool people still are finding things about this game, i would of never noticed the fight videos released used the bullies theme instead of the specific faction or default student theme, i am glad it was changed so every faction had its own fighting theme even in freeroam.
At first I thought it was music edited in the videos but it changed between it each clip so it couldn't be it.
In another time line in reality. There was a planet earth that got blessed with Bully with this combat system still in tact. Lol.
Man and for a ps2 game this combat system would have been amazing!!!
Bet that time line also has GTA 5 story dlc, GTA 6, and a remake to San Andreas that's as good of a remake as RE1's remake.
Addendum: That time line probably also has Watch Dogs as it was presented pre-release, Sleeping Dogs 2, Yakuza 1's english dub with better voice direction and audio mixing, that free-running mechanic from the earlier build of Saints Row 3 being in the actual game, and most of all no Mark 2 Oppressors or any other Sci-fi nonsense in GTA Online.
Ill remake it again. Was tough back in the day against the studio. But its easy to do.
@@CraftShopArts pls make this a mod bro with your fighting style,the game is much better.cant wait to play!
@@CraftShopArts Pls make mod bro you are amazing
I wish Jimmy had that fighting style
me too
Me too, it looks much better.
It’s really well made, unique and fun to use
Jimmy has a mix of boxing and jock animations and a unique counter and armbar
in my opinion Jimmy is the most skilled in the game each group has a particular style Jimmy already mixes them
Boxing,karate,wrestling
I guess the game would have been a bit repetitive, listening to the bullies fighting theme, over and over and over, no matter who you're messing with
Id still take that with the more dynamic system
well bully in the beta was indeed repititive
@@weirdface1846 as if you know how the game was going to be initially xD
@@jackalsmalls4995 yeah i agree, i feel cheated now that they cut all those awsome fight mechanics. wouldve made the fight sequences and the game overall even better
Tell that to Devil May Cry
If only the combat was like this, the combat in the final game is just way too easy, as even the toughest characters like Damon, Bif and Russell can be taken down with ease.
This is oficially the best combat system I've ever seen in a videogame. I had a fair amount of fights when I was still a student and seeing that brawling mechanic where punches are flying from both parties just makes my jaw drop.
Dude was correct about not bothering to show this to Rockstar tho, as we already know they wanted the system to be less complex which in turn butchered the heavy and light attack buttons plus other functions we saw on that beta control scheme image. This would've been rejected instantly, but still I think this is as close as we'll get to the real beta fighting system they had going on back then.
Man I hope someone makes like a backyard or street fighting game out of this combat system.
That would be so cool.
Dude! I've never seen some of the stuff in the beginning of the video! holy crap!
Now looks like a real fight
The fighting style here is hella lot more in-depth than what's already in. Fighting would've been a lot more fleshed out and impactful for sure. Making a Crowd in fights literally a "Life and Death" Situation if you haven't mastered the whole evasion and Repost effects. Hell, your opponents could Evade and Repost you if they wanted to, seriously turning the table on the fight fairly quick on ya. Fairly making Gym Class and The homeless Man Teaching actually impactful to your Fights.
Shame this was nothing more than a Concept, not even shown to barely anyone within the Studio and Development. Plus I love the little Spit Effects as your duking it out, really adds into the whole brawling.
I swear, the more you look into Bully and it's Deleted Features. the more your start to realize, Bully was a pretty much rushed and Hastily put together game for some reason. My guess to please the Media and the Rating System. Whatever it is, such a Big Ass shame.
I seriously wish Rockstar added a lot of the Deleted Content and Features back into the game with their Scholarship Edition.
Even game development can be political. Back then it was. Now a days its a bit easier. But I'll remake this again and even better in the next few years
@@CraftShopArts Can't believe the man himself Commented.
But it makes sense, even for the time. But still pretty bummy that it was never put in. Though I doubt they even would considering the things they cut to squeeze through the Rating.
But either way, that'd be seriously Rad. Would love to see that.
@@demonfox879 was more of an internal thing than a Rockstar thing. RS management would of wanted something like this.
@@CraftShopArts i seriously hope so.
But its whatever at this point.
Who knows, if Bully 2 is real, i hope they bring you back in to work on the Fights.
Btw, love your game. The fights insane and fun. Also love your character designs. The cheer leader chick looks rad.
rockstar created the bully right after GTA San Andreas to get money to deal with the lawsuits against the game that's why they were in such a hurry to release the game 😕
i see no reason for this combat system to be scrapped, could've been the most fun combat for an open world game ever.
This is so good I wish I'd never seen it, now every time I play Bully I'm only gonna be able to think of the game that could've been. And damn but those animations look smooth for such an old game.
Also, isn't that charged punch used by some jocks in the final game? you know, the one that does no damage for some reason.
Dennis said that he knew that this thing wouldn't be approved so it was never gonna be a thing to begin with. And yeah he's a really talented guy, he animated all of them by hand, without any use of motion capture.
Yes that's the same charged punch, you can see Jimmy and Peanut using it, probably for testing purposes.
We all know that bully was meant to be a bigger game (at least more detailed and polished). Really wish we could have that version of bully 😢
All the more reason why a Remake, Remaster, or Sequel should be made
Well we still need to be grateful because Bully are actually almost get canceled back in the days. but yeah it would be nice to see Bully on it's full potential
@@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 yes I'm devastated a more flawed out bully never came to light but however bully is timeless ain't no other game like it but it needs a sequel badly or until I get a laptop to mod on
@@ILikeSoda229 man if we get a remastered for this game itd probably get cancelled due to this generation poeple
@@useinnunezz3489 Nah I still have hope for it. If GTA 6 can get made in the generation, Bully can too. Hopefully Rockstar takes their shot.
ok lets cut to the chase, Ill pay 15 bucks for this combat system to be modded in.
Ill pay more than a hundred to see this be in a mod
On pc or phone
(2 years late, but a good find.) I'm wondering as to how this could've been implemented if they approved this. I could imagine a more extensive list of moves taught by Grant and Burton, but I also understand the fact that not every kid in a high school would be able to counter and weave. It wouldn't be that far off though, considering the fact that Grant claims to have been in the military. A bit of CQC perhaps? Anyways, this was a great piece of Bully development history. Thank you for showing this.
as much as i love the bullies fighting theme (prob my favorite song in bully tbh) i couldn’t imagine an alternate universe where it played for EVERY fight. it’d get really tiring after a while
This fighting style was still being made at a very early point in Bully’s Development, so I’m pretty sure they would have def changed it to the normal fighting music we have now. Besides, it’s not like the fighting couldn’t have existed without the music being changed, so good chance they would have changed it
Yeah tbf I don't think anyone at Rockstar would've thought about making that song play in EVERY fight, that'd be a real dumb decision at least during the 2000s
Devil May Cry Saga: Really?
0:13 I always wondered why Greasers had evade stats like the Preppies. Seems that stat would've made them do this awesome move.
Don't you mean the evades at 0:38 and 0:41?
@@deadpoolXYZ Yeah as well as those, but evade stats are also used for counterattacks, plus I time-stamped that one, since the animation looked more different.
@@DreadedGhoul575 The thing at 0:13 is the same thing at 1:03. Peanut can use it regardless if Jimmy is attacking or not, so it's not related to the evade stat.
Even then, it's a proof of concept that Dennis did on his own and was never considered for the official beta stages of the game.
@@deadpoolXYZ It says they counterattack in the subtitles, so I reckoned it would be part of the evade stat.
Also 1:03 seems to be just a stance like the grappler preppies (a taunt evade stance), plus it says it's a trap stance.
Sucks that they didn't get to beta, since majority of these moves look quite advanced and the animations.
@@DreadedGhoul575 You might be right, I thought the counter attack and the trap stance were the same attack... it looked like they used the same animation. In that case then yeah, it could possibly be using the evade stats but we'll never know.
That fighting system looked amazing
I like the armbar whenever I talk with friends about stuff I want to see in bully 2 first thing I always say is more wrestling moves
jimmy is also using a different strafe in those clips they are different than the one in the final version. it's similar to the jock's one but not the same. maybe it was his beta strafe, it's also used in welcome to bullworth after defeating wade, when russell runs at jimmy in the cutscene
Dennis mentioned that it's a strafe that he uses all the time in animation tests so it was most likely never part of the actual game. I'm pretty sure they recycled the Jocks fighting idle for the cutscene after you defeat Wade.
Then it would make sense to pay for backup. With this combat system it wouldn't be so easy to fight large groups of enemies
That's what I'm saying
Man this could have been a really funny and challenging combat system, I really want to play it
I like this aspect of bully beta combat. The combat is more of what you would see in a real fight like dodging and slipping also caching punches and countering them.
Opening up this video and immediately seeing Jimmy piece up one of the jocks like Mike tyson was great and I wish they kept this style of fighting
I wish this is Jimmy's official moves
Me too
Hopefully we are gonna have this type of fighting style in bully 2 for jimmy even with the same punching sound effects they Sound sooo powerful and satisfying
These punches is much more damages and fancier than the 5-hit combo etc, hope this will bring back as a mod..
Are you kidding me? That looked so cool. The focus on CQC that bully actually should have had
Things like this are the ones that make me feel sad about videogames.
1.- The PT Silent Hill game was never released
2.- Dante's Inferno never got a sequel
3.- And this awesome fighting mechanics were not used in Bully at the end :c
I Wish I Had This Fighting Style
Me too
Btw i found some work from Dennis Opel still left in the game this is still in game 0:28 find Bif or any other prep find a wall get Bif against the wall i preffer bif just like it would show in the clip, mule kick him start punching him it may take few tries but u will get glimpses of it or a full one, still looking for more things that have been looked over or haven't been discovered.
Simplesmente incrível mano você é um dos melhores editores que eu já vi obrigado por fazer minha sugestão parabéns Simplesmente perfeito 👏😫🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
If Bully 2 were to happen this better be the main character's fighting style.
it's gonna be in dennis' game
@@weirdface1846 What's Dennis' game?
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@@weirdface1846 got ya
I love his Jimmy's idle animation when locked on in this beta
i cant stop watching this for a reason
Neither can i😭
Because it's so satisfying to watch
GTA style pickups omg
i know its been 3 years but oh my god these fight styles are the best i really wish this was in the game....
I want to be in a universe where Daniel show this to Rockstar and they approved it and this was the main combat instead
In the beginning part. I really wanted it to be real or had a mod for it was going to be really cool
Man the fighting looks like kurohyou and now I’m mad that I never get to play bully with the fighting looking like this
If they'd included this, Bully would've been the best beat em up ps2 game of all time no doubt about it.
Well we have Yakuza 2
Take a drink every time the bully fighting music starts
Swegta sent me here deadpoolXYZ thanks for uploading this deadpoolXYZ
That spit effect is so cool! Is there any mod for that?
Ah yes, Dennis Opel's modifications to Bully's fighting mechanic. All very well made and well thought-out. Maybe we'll one day be able to mod them in. Maybe we can see something like this in the future sequel, if it ever gets here.
Yeah actually I think this could be added into the game via mods. Maybe Dennis could help to do that? I mean he literally modded it lol
@@paquito4147 We gotta make it worth his while though, Start a kickstarter maybe?
We can do a mod, problem is who the fuck would use it? It'll only get like 1k+ downloads and honestly it's not that much for such effort, so most likely nobody would do it
someone should recreate these movements
that jimmy fighing style is crazy and cool
That's awesome, I had never seen those footages before. Even if they were not officially in the game, it still an interesting showcase of what Rockstar's original concept for Bully was. Seems like the fighting system was supposed to be a lot more complex, a shame Rockstar scrapped it. I gotta say though, the addition of fighting themes for each clique was a very nice touch, probably one of the few things they got right. Anyways, thanks for sharing. I hope we can find more beta stuff of this game
It's a miracle that all these clips exist, they are around 14 years old. And yeah, good thing every clique has their own fight theme.
Incredible
Even if we never get our hands on a sequel I would love a full remaster that includes a lot of the cut content
Bully ready has my favourite combat system; but this would be been even better...
This would be cool to see in Bully 2.
Jimmy loooks more cool if he fight like that instead of just you know his normal fighting style
This is GOLDEN
Bro the fighting style so smooth
I don't know why Rockstar wouldn't add these animations in. Woulda made combat way more fun
Simply the best fighting mechanic I've ever seen.
This is genuinely as close as it gets to like how actual like fight will get if their experience enough
I wonder if it will be possible to restore it somehow by asking for the codes from those who made it
Is there any mod recreating this fighting mechanic on those clips?
Nope, Unless the one who made that Fighting mechanic give the File or something to public so it can be modded in the game
@@user-wg8hv7je3h yeah i tried to implement some of those mechanic (attacking) by using custom mod so basically i can do all the fighting styles to jimmy it was fun but its nowhere close to this because i was only able to combine some of the fighting styles into jimmy
So many things are still unknown in the game. I've been wondering whether Bully beta assets havent been reused in later R* titles. Just like you could find that beta CRX from Vice City in Manhunt iirc.
Manhunt 2 and I think Vice City Stories for the ps2 were the last games using the Renderware engine, so there's a chance that some assets are in either of those games.
@@deadpoolXYZ @deadpoolXYZ saying this its too bad VCS hasn't recieved a mobile port. Those are known to have more leftovers than original releases. Although its worth trying to look for something.
I'm just not sure which version is better to look for it PSP or PS2.
@@KISSbestfan if you want a gta game on the go, PSP is the better choice but if you want it with better graphics and with a large screen, PS2 is the best honestly
@@MAKEOUTHXLL I was referring to the cut content, not the playability. But thanks!
@@KISSbestfan for cut content, i suggest you the psp version since it’s the original one.
those sounds dear lord they sound good
Honestly I would’ve sacrificed the final game look for the beta/alpha moves and just have realistic fighting with the previous goofy graphics lol
Same lol
you can see he was in shop and the jock was there.
Hey deadpoolXYZ at 1:00 when Jimmy is fighting a jock. The area there in is that some sort of beta train station or something? Because Bully was originally supposed to be much bigger and have an train jimmy can use for transport? Just saying that its really cool
It's just the autoshop.
@@deadpoolXYZ Aw ok LOL
The fact that this is during development of PS2 games, a console that release in year 2000 blown my mind!
I love Bully, but heck, you can defeat any boss in this game by just hitting the hit button many times, it really sucks. With this system, it would be much tastier.
I just hope we'll see that type of combat in GTA VI - it would be cool to finally have any satisfaction from bare fists / melee fights.
Omg that looks so epic
Wait what?!? This fighting system is crazy good! Why didn’t they go ahead with this
The team of the next installment of the "BULLY" franchise should take serious notes on these mechanics.
Def Jam and Ryu Ga Gotoku: Kurohyou vibes on this one, not surprised a Japanese person also did the animations for this
Also if you spawn another jimmy and fight him you can hear the bully's theme
Has a mod with this fight stile ?
( The question of ALL people )
damn, Bully could've been one of the best fighting games back then, not only the cool fighting mechanics, but animations that were never used as well, like Johnny doing Tae Kwon Do.
I would have gotten Jimmy do the Dempsey Roll.
Bully could've easily been some Lookism/Questism/My Life as a Loser type shit, were basically most students, if not all, were fighters/martial artists.
that damn Gary vs Jimmy final battle could've easily been a Yakuza style fight
woahhhh you could enter the shop classroom and fight there?!
I think the bullies theme sounds like Skin Therapy by Mr.Dibbs, but more agressive
A bit of the Bullies theme is based on Dig Your Own Hole
by The Chemical Brothers.
That stationary dodging mechanic is giving me so many God Hand vibes (A beat-em-up game by capcom also for the ps2)
yeah i loved GodHand. Was inspired by Victorious Boxers. But I talked to Mikami over a smoke about Godhand when I worked in Japan on a project he was involved with. Was awesome he pointed at that project as something he liked to work on.
There should be like a change of fighting styles with the Hobo. And strafes aswell
Example:
Boxing Style. (Preppies)
Default.
Greaser style
Brawler. (Jocks)
Bully's
Badasses (Townies)
if this fighting style was added instead of the final fighting style the age rating will change
I have a relatinship about love and HATE for this game.
Hahahahah me too the story is soo cool but the fight stile
Algo me dice que Bully iba a ser como Deff Jam, pero en un colegio estadounidense.
0:24 OLOKO UM JIU-JITSU DO NADA CARACA !!!!!
Fights I bully would of been nuts especially if everyone could fight like that.
i talk with Dennis the last month, and he never like much work with rockstar, is one of the reasons for wich he left the company apart from having another ideas, but as least we can view these styles, anyways Bully without that moves still being the best fighting style on a word open game for me.
Sleeping Dogs it's better because it has the same mechanics of combos but it have counterattack too. And it is more cool because of the martial arts style.
But if Bully had the fighting mechanics of the video it surely would be the better fighting mechanics of most games..
No point in seeing it partially if we will never have it XD sadness.
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please tell me there's a mod for these animations to make them functional but not replaced, rather, added
Sadly custom animations aren't possible yet, you can only work with the stuff that's already in the game.
0:09 wow awesome dodge
is there a mod of that for the bully?
Wish the combat was like this
Hmm,Jimmy's Boxing Style is the best way to mirror this.
Épico!
Como puedo conseguir esos movimientos?
Are you ever gonna update the 2 player mod again?