You wouldn't have that option to begin with. You don't buy a home in a HoA you lease it. Unless you get the owners (The HoA) permission you may not move THEIR property. Living in a HoA is just renting with extra steps and more government + fee's.
@@davidhoward4715 I really don't care. We already have environment laws in place and reasonable restrictions. If you want more controls in your neighborhood, that's what HOA's are for. Most are actually fine, despite the few crazy ones that always make the reddit. I also find that a conversation with your neighbor goes way farther than calling the city on them.
It is not just 12ft. It is 12ft plus the width of the house. The 12ft is between the left edge of the foundation and the right edge of the other foundation, in another word, a 12 foot gap between the two foundations.
@@davidhoward4715 It's not that people don't believe in zoning regs... but it has everything to do with zoning regs being used to unfaily and unjustifiabily target people. In general zoning needs to be more restricted. Zoning is definitely responsible for a large amount of waste in both time and resources in the USA. Rush Hour? That is caused by Zoning. Millions of gallons of wasted gas each year? Zoning. Housing divisions that look like mazes? Zoning "designed to prevent through traffic" entirely. And... of course as mentioned in the video... property taxes.
@@jarrod752 The only HOA that makes any sense is Condo because you literally shares structure with other people. It makes no sense for anything else. No... you do not have a right to control your neighbor so you can "keep your prop value up". The city should be maintaining things like that.
Lol! I wouldn't put it past them if the land he was moving it onto had been unincorporated land. But since it's apparently part of the other town, they likely would be unable to just incorporate it without a major fight with that other town.
@@Dervraka I was actually wondering about that, because where I am the city uses the middle of the road/street to differentiate one suburb/city from the other, but it appears he's got a city divide along one property boundary, a bit odd🤷♂
the house I live in resulted from the owner's previous property being taken in eminent domain; he had just completed the house when it happened. They told him to find a piece of land and thye would build hima house for free. His wife was so pissed she said "I want new everything" so she didn't take a thing from the 'old' house for the new one, just got all new stuff with their all new house. Fun part: during the ED process, he asked if he could purchase his old house back; bought it for $500 and had it moved (including all their old stuff) one street over from the new house and sold it to his brother. Net result? Two basically free houses and properties. Epic win.
My moms landlord had just remodeled his house in 2018 (1950s cape cod style on 3/4 acre that sat facing the main road right at the corner of the road entering the neighborhood) and developers bought 100 acres in the back of the neighborhood with plans to build around 1500 town houses but the state required the road be widened to allow for extra cars. There is a cemetery on one side of the road and his on the other side. The came with an offer to buy his property to widen the road that was low (didn't know the house had just been remodeled) he countered with selling them the property at land value but they had to build him a new house on a chunk of land he had about 1/8 mile back in the neighborhood. He got a 3000 sg ft house mortgage free and $50,000 for his corner property.
That's extremely generous of them. When a municipality took the only buildable portion of a piece of property my Dad owned, they just paid for the piece they wanted, not the rest of it, even though it made the entire land worthless due to the topography.
I know of 6 property parcels that are DIVIDED between my town line & the adjacent town line, & these poor owners get 2 SEPARATE TAX BILLS!!! Further, 2 of those owners wanted to get a small personal flock of chickens: the adjacent town FORBIDS chicken -keeping, but mine DOESN'T....so those owners just keep their birds fenced into my town's side of their respective properties... It's BIZARRE!!!!!⚡❣️
Two separate tax bills seems a bit odd. Most locales, at least here in Virginia, base the jurisdiction of a property, which straddle property, County lines, etc. on the location of its Master bedroom.
Theres a road in my town thats 2 different counties. The road runs east to west. South side is one town, county and area code. The kids go to different schools. Its not really relevant now but it was long distance to call across the street back when land lines were a thing.
@@user-fs8yh3ob7b In 2 of those issues (same as the "chicken - keepers), they petitioned each town to relinquish their "half" to the other, as the "line division" was a serious down drag on property value & selling options. Neither relented, & in both of those specific cases, the town lines literally split the houses in half.... One was sooooooo upset over the fact that one bathroom on each side of the house actually elevated the assessment on each side of the line.... It's a nasty situation to find out about AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED. BUYER BEWARE!!!!!⚡💥
There's a legend of a man in Baarle-Hertog Belgium who after a new border survey found his house was now legally in in the Netherlands. So he did the only sensible thing and moved his front door so that legally his address and house would remain legally part of Belgium.
What you say reminds me of a story I read about years ago. The border between Georgia and another state (Alabama? I forget exactly which state) were actually drawn incorrectly, making one of the states an extra mile or two longer where they border each other. There was a dispute over which state government had the rights to a body of water in that specific area, so they tried to use that historic error to seize that 1 or 2 mile stretch of land and the water within it (which would also move a bunch of homeowners in the area to that neighboring state). But since the mistake happened hundreds of years ago their case didn't get very far before being thrown out of court.
It was Tennessee. The Georgia Tennessee border was supposed to share part of the Tennessee River but ended up missing. Georgia has had a lot of water issues in recent years and wanted access to the river, but like you said, they lost.
Another story I just remembered. An 18th century house on parent's road was only a couple of feet from the road. It was in poir condition, and the new homeowners asked the zoning board to allow them to tear it down and build a new house. There is a steep hill in back, so they couldn't rebuild farther back. The zoning board said no, it was too dangerous, the driveway was blind and the house was on a curved part of the road. So they tore down 1/3 of the house, rebuilt it (legally repaired that 1/3), then tore down and replaced the middle 1/3 and then the last 1/3.
For a house from that long ago might be protected under historical bylaws, so legally they couldn't tear down the entire property to build something new. Those buildings need to be rebuilt with the exact same type of material usually and that gets really pricy.
My parents did the same thing, building a better home over the existing 1800's home and tearing out the old home from inside. A few walls were retained. This was done in the 1980's and now the house sits on the original stone foundation on 12-inch square beams. During the 1990's I remember the basement flooding, water pouring into the basement like ten or twenty garden houses. After that my dad would go out and clear the street drain every time it rained. In 2019 the city finally replaced the hundred year old street drain system and the basement has been dry ever since. Crazy.
@@Londubh I've been told that the way to avoid having to get a new construction permit is to: 1) Lift the house, repair/replace the foundation and basement. 2) Lower the house back down, gut it to the outer walls. 3) Rebuild everything that is not the outer walls, then tear off the siding and sheeting and replace that, replacing bad structure as you go. 4) Tear off and replace the roof. - It's a pain, but often easier, faster, and less "gifts" than getting on "the list" to build a new house after knocking a failed one down.
We wanted to tear down our shed and build a bigger one on the same spot. This arrogant ahole from the plan commission won't allow us to because of its distance to the property line. He was high on that little bit of power. I make sure I vote for his opponents.
Most likely true. Vermont has one of the worst housing shortages in the country and it's mostly due to incredibly severe regulation when it comes to building new homes.
As if the Amish know how to move anything... this is clearly a job for certified professionals, chosen by an experienced committee, in the relevant areas... namely a homeowner's association, which will certainly have the very best licensed lgbtunion contractors in the area on speed dial, at very reasonable rates. None of this funny hat brigade nonsense, like you suggest!
@@geoffreyjett600 -- Yeah, I _hope_ that was sarcastic. lol. And I've watched a couple of documentaries about Amish house and barn moving. In one, the state wanted to put a highway in, but it would require demolition of a house. The community fought it, but the state won (no surprise, right?). So the community _moved_ the structure to a nearby location. One caveat was that part of the move did have to travel along an existing state highway, so they were forced to hire an outside house-moving company in order to get the permits necessary for that portion of the trip.
I heard a story about a man being told that his house was too close to the property line. His response was “just move the property line”. The county official took him to court, and it turns out the homeowner owned the neighboring lot, so the court just moved the property line.
In all fairness, somebody screwed up if that was the case. The house should have been grandfathered in if it had been properly permitted and built prior to the property line being there. And if the line was there first, then the people approving the permit should have known that when approving it.
I'm guessing it's 12' between foundations. This is a great example of local governments having too much power over what you can do with your own property.
Yes, I looked up the news report on this. It's 12 feet between foundations, so the house is actually moved 12 feet + the width of the house. Maybe he needs to stay 6 feet from the city border?
I know of a case where the town would not approve a demolition permit, but granted a building permit for the same property. The solution was to build the new structure around the existing structure and then do some interior remodeling.
We were building an in ground swimming pool and even though we had the property surveyed the city came out and stated that 3 feet of the pool was going to be on city property. The pool builder was distraught because he already had dug the pool out and he could not fathom (if he had to fill it in) where he would get that much dirt. The city inspector that came out was legendary in that he was known as being the most difficult to deal with. My wife sat him down, gave him a glass of cold iced tea and a wonderful sandwich and chatted him up. He said do not worry I will "bubble it." This was his term for a variance that he could do. My wife understood that these city inspectors take a lot of heat from homeowners who see the inspectors as The Enemy, so she treated him with great kindness and respect. This shows that anything is possible if you are nice to people.
Probably not much. They can't arbitrarily raise taxes on the portion on their side of the line. Nor can they seize it either. If he chooses to build something on that side of the line, they could potentially tie that up with regulations, but realistically, I doubt they're going to care.
RE: 2:40 question about moving 12'. It's 12' from one foundation to another. I.e The entire building is moving to a completely new foundation. So really it's moving 12'+the house width which would seem to total around 40-50. It looks like a reasonable sized 2 story house. edit: Note, I looked up the source and watched the video. It's clear in the video.
That's the way I interpreted it. Unless the guys house was less than 12 feet wide he would still be in the same jurisdiction. News producers all the time mislead to make the news item more sensational and to incense the audience. The homeowners situation seems all the more ridiculous to say the man has to move the house only twelve feet rather than 60 feet to gain zoning compliance. This sort of reporting deception is something that audiences of all stories need to be on constant watch for otherwise their understanding of the reported situation is in jeopardy. Still 12 feet or 60 feet it is very unfortunate that he and the old township could not come up with an acceptable variance for both parties. This is a sort of bureaucratic nonsense that is getting more and more common with time.
@@mikecrooks8085 or its moved 12 feet from the furthest point over the line. Anway this entire thing is stupid. The guy built it there on purpose using laws to build it cheaply as a cabin. Now he wants to sell it as a house to make 10x what he would if it was a cabin without having to pay for the requirements that would ahve cost to build a house.
@@mikecrooks8085 Depends on the jurisdiction. Obtaining a Zoning Variance can sometimes be a simple matter, BUT the home then can become a Non-Conforming use. If non-conforming any future modifications may not be possible without a lot of bureaucratic BS. Further, in CT that variance is tied to the land and not to the owner. Thus any future buyer will be faced with the same restriction(s).
About 30 years ago, I rented a house on what had been a farm in the distant past. There were 33 acres of the original farm left, with many different buildings on that land -- including not only the house I rented, but several other houses that had been built by the family that owned the farm. Eventually, of course, a developer came along and made the owner an offer she couldn't refuse (many *many* millions of dollars) so she sold it. But the developer really liked one of the houses that was on the property, so he moved it towards the front of the property and it's still standing today as the "clubhouse" for the neighborhood he built. Even though that house didn't have to be moved terribly far, it was still a huge undertaking that took months to accomplish. I can't imagine being forced to undergo that expense and trouble just to move 12 feet, though! 😂
Yeah, its an engineering feat to move a building intact. Gotta pop the building off the foundation, jack it up just enough to put beams under it, secure them together into 1 piece to be hoisted up by a crane large enough to even lift it. At least he wouldn't need a truck large enough to carry the house too, there was a show on the Discovery channel called something like 'Big Moves' and they were moving houses from 1 province/state to another, along with all the hurdles included with that because of roads, utility poles, wires, bridges, etc....
Yep, it's worth noting that the cost and expense of moving a building on a property doesn't really change much whether it's 12 feet or 200 feet, provided you've got a path to get there. Most of it is the lifting and the setting back in place after you've got the new foundation in.
Back in the early 60s, my uncle built a large home on his property just outside the city limits. He had well water and rual electric. Soon after, the city expanded and put their line right through the center of his house. They had to provide utilities since he was now a resident, and since the city electric was way more than rural, he kept his electric but made them run city water to his home.
I went to school with a girl. Her brother went to another school. They lived in a house where the township line ran through the middle of the house. The townships decided that whichever side of the line their bedroom was on was where they would go to school...
Dumb. Most folks with a brain would have used the street address that the front door is located as most focus on that for a "location". The schools were focusing on head count for revenue.
It's been my experience that most small towns or townships are most often run as mini fiefdoms with all the attendant attitudes. A an where I live tried to get his electricity hooked up three times only to be told that the hardware looked "rusty". This after having replaced said hardware twice. The guy finally got so fed up that he ask the city worker if he liked his face, 'cause he was about to rearrange it for him. Needless to say, it was immediately hooked up. Give somebody a little power and you'll soon discover their character (or lack thereof).
The article calls his home a "camp". Having lived in Maine, I learned that the locals use the word "camp" to describe a seasonal cottage or lake cottage. So I suspect it is small.
camps are also not subject to laws that houses are when they are built. This guy built a cabin, and now wants to get it zoned as a house to sell it for more money after using loopholes to build it cheaply with it being a cabin.
Why didn’t he just live in the part of the house that was in the correct town and tell the other town he doesn’t live in that 12’ of his house year round? 🤣🤣🤣
because he isnt looking to live there. He built the cabin with the reduced requirements of building a cabin. Cheaper build and now he wants to sell it as a house rather than a cabin so he can sell it for more to maximize profit.
I moved a cottage 8 ft back to avoid flooding. We lifted the house up, put supporting beams under the house. We put parallel runners under the house and one the ground with steel pipes between them. Using a winch to move the cottage. If the land is flat or at least smooth you can do it.
For me I dont think it's possible. My disdain has reached peak saturation level. The Hierarchy of Governance is parasitic. A pestilence settled over the people and land like a thick, life squelching toxic fog.
@@sheepishmclemmingston5550 I'm actually working on a project to provide track records for officials in government, starting with Congress and state legislatures but with the goal to also get down to the level of mayors, judges, county board members, etc, eventually. I'll be providing updates if you want to follow the project.
I grew up on a piece of property that was cut through by a township border. My mailing address was listed in one town (because that's where the mailbox was), but my school district was in the other (which the bulk of the property was in). As a result, I was the only kid in my class whose home address was the next town over. Eventually, they changed it such that our mailing address was switched to the township most of the land was actually in, despite the mailbox technically still being on the far side of the border. Our actual street number had to change, too, so in 7th grade, my street number, town, and zip code changed even though we hadn't moved.
I thought that I’d move farther than twelve feet, then I thought about the city seeing the house, still in basically the same place but they can’t do anything about it now 😂😂 he probably did it to gall them.
Exactly, shortest distance to move the property entrance, and thus the billing entity, as the land itself is likely all one, just had a boundary line drawn through it years ago, after it was subdivided into lots, and his parcel, lot 23 of 55 of the farm whatever, got that arbitrary line drawn down the middle of it, to make the surveyor's job easier instead of a mass of Gerrymandering of the boundary, and subsequent decades of squabbling in court around this.
We can debate this whole issue but it boils down to one problem and the home owner points it out perfectly when he said "By moving it there they're LETTING ME live there year round"! Why do we let the government dictate to us what we can and can not do on our own property!
back in the 1980s in new jersey, my father added a 2 car garage to his 7.5 acre property (out in the delaware water gap region). after all the permits, inspections and the like, just before its completion, the inspector (who'd previously approved the location twice) shut the construction down since 1 corner of the garage "broke the plane of the front of the house by less than 6"). the town demanded that he apply for a "certificate of occupancy" for the garage. by the way, neither he nor any neighbor (5 away each direction) even had a CO for their homes. in the end he got the CO, then ran for mayor of the town. he won the election (small town, less than 550 people) the spent every dime in the towns coffers to buy a defunct gravel mine as a potential future park. the resigned from the town....... the moral? there's always a way to fight city hall.......
I raised about 15 homes in my career as a general contractor. 3 of these were just lift ups. Putting a 1st floor under the old house along with a new foundation. About 5 of the total homes the people never moved their furniture out. They moved themselves and family out and in.
I moved into a neighborhood where all the homes were under construction. One completed house was taken off the market without being sold. I was curious so I asked my realtor what was up. The house was built too close to a protected wetlands green belt. The builder fixed it by cutting a triangle off the corner of the house. It was about 6ft x 12ft narrow triangle. It really made for a weirdly shaped bedroom, bathroom and garage.
Now, I'm really curious about that Variance, too! In small towns, Zoning appeals are 'selective' to an 'old guard'-- and the easiest way to keep control over any new growth they aren't a part of. I call it an Underbelly, but basically it's a Mob-- and mostly, they succeed! I had my dream home in such a town-- but Moved 20 miles over a mountain pass to get Fairer consideration.
The house is pretty easily findable on Google Maps... it is quite literally on the town border. But is served by the Bolton post office, so already has a Bolton address. Looks like his driveway will still be in Huntington, as with the rest of his property. Wild how this plays out. A search pulls up a PDF as well, he tried building something in 2008 but was denied by the town of Bolton (probably why he built it in Huntington). Guess they approved him to move it though.
My brother bought a small farm in Missouri. The house is in one county, and gets electricity from on company. The barn, about 100 yards away, is in a different county, and its electric comes from a different company.
We considered moving our first house. It had a tiny triangle of a back yard and a very large front (corner lot). Turning it would even out the two and give us a better situation. The quote we were given was about 15k. But all the utility work, foundation work, etc., made that over 45k. Eventually decided to move, instead, but it was a workable idea in different circumstances.
I just watched a video on this. It is actually farther. It is 12 feet to cross the city lines but the the whole house must cross the line, not 12 feet of it. there is about 12 to 20 feet between the two foundations. Cost estimated to 80 to 100,000
House moving has always fascinated me. There used to be a bunch of houses up on blocks near the Spring Valley Drive In. You could buy them and plop em on your own lot! 😲
This has always interested me, and it seems over a century ago they moved houses all the time. I find some of this while reading books about history of local places, such as a history book I came across of Rockford, IL written in 1900, tells about so many specific houses that were moved, sometimes a block, sometimes much further. I am guessing it was easier when there were fewer obstacles like stoplights. Though I think this one, moving 12 feet would be simpler since he shouldn’t have to close streets and move stoplights and redirect traffic. Still would be fun to watch.
My neighbor dug the foundation for their new house after they were dug the utility company moved the utility pole. When the footings were inspected they were to close to the utility pole since it was placed next to the old location. He had to move the footings over 16”! At least the concrete was not poured yet.
I remember that episode of the Adams Family. Twice when I was in school we moved short distances. The first time was to a house across the street. The second was two houses over. We just carried stuff. A lot of work.
I believe in Europe the country a building is in depends on the door. If I remember, Europeans have moved the door to a building to change the nation the building is. He may have just had to move the door over since he owns the property on both sides.
My brother's property line overlaps a large brick building by about 2 inches. He has no right to any rents for his property because of a an in pertuity easement, but he is charged property tax that includes the 2 inches of wall on his property. So his tax assesment is $180,000 even though the market value is less than $90,000. 🤦♂️
I'm from Spain, and our postal direction depends on where the front door is. I don't know what the tax situation is when your house is on 2 different municipal territories.
Exactly, your value can even depend on the street address, so some builders put the main entrance on a corner lot on the cheaper side, even though there was more frontage on the main street. Some small malls are like that by me, cheaper to have a side street entrance over a main road entrance, even though the longest length is main road, but they put parking there, as that section, barriered off by a small kerb, is technically city property so was not allowed to be built on. Side entrance, and tar is allowed though.
reminds me of that one house on the border of Canada and USA. Has one door in the USA and another in Canada. People have their packages shipped there, and then go and pick it up from the residents.
I know a woman who wanted to tear down the summer camp that she inherited from her mother and uncle (they argued about who should pay for maintenance for decades, it had a large tree growing through it!) on the lake. The town said ok she could build a new camp, but she could not build the three bedroom house that she wanted. A small town, didn't want to give up a profitable property tax to a money losing one, if school aged children moved in. She managed to negotiate a one bedroom, year round house. She has rented it out to a series of single teachers during the school year, and rents it by the week during the summer.
There was a restaurant half in zion I'll. And half in lake county illinois. Zion was a dry city. The Greek who owned it served alcohol but, you had to sit in the north half of the building. It was horizon restrant.
I have some very good friends who live in southeastern Vermont, and they own a camp. Rules vary across the state but the town their camp is in states that camps can have electricity but no town water or sewer. So their camp has an outhouse and a kitchen sink connected to a well. After the dishes are washed, the dishwater is thrown in the bushes. Heat in the winter comes from a massive fireplace since there's not enough electricity coming into the house to run heaters. No TV, internet, or cell service since they're far away from everything. They use the camp as a base for hunting since they're right at the edge of a large forest. The camp is well stocked with games for times when they get rained or snowed in. Even though the camp is probably only 600 square feet, there are about 20 to 25 beds there for large hunting parties they host.
My wife's family's camp had electricity and that was it. When my wife and I stayed there, we'd only use the electricity for the refrigerator. Cooked on the woodstove or a campfire, kerosene lamps for light, either took eco-safe soap and a towel down to the lake, or else heated up kettles of water on the woodstove to heat up the bath water in the washtub.
Townships can be hard to beat. I used to have a neighbor directly across the street from me, the township rezoned it and made him tear it down. The crazy thing is that he had just moved the house a few years prior, before the rezoning. The rezoned because they realized the 7 businesses were each only paying $700.00 per year in property taxes & after rezoning they get to collect $2,500 per year in taxes from each.
Hi Steve . In '68 my h.s. gf and a long time guy friend both had to move when the 91 fwy came thru Bellflower . She and mom went to Riverside , he 2 blks north . Progress sometimes bites . Take care 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
It is harder to move a short distance. Getting them to let you keep your address is a nightmare. I watched a hilarious video years ago the town hated the man. Kept trying to screw him over. Went so far as to survey his property, and found out they had the street intersection on his property. He told them to move the street. They tried to buy the land. He told them no, if you bought that corner there is not enough property left for a home. Move your street.
When I was a kid in the 70's in Michigan, there was a house they started building that was a few inches too close to the property line, and the other owner wouldn't sell. The concrete block shell sat vacant for something like 30 years before they finally got it resolved and they finished the house.
Steve, When I was the tax lawyer for Walmart (early 2000s) we had built a store that was on the dividing line between two townships in Ohio (I think). Interestingly the townships had different sales tax rates on taxable sales. I negotiated with the townships' attorneys a settlement on what percentage of sales and what rates to pay each one. We didn't want to move the store into the township with the lower rate.
There was a time when I moved four times in seven years. Two of them were short moves (in the same town), and two of them were long (over multiple states). The short moves had overlapping leases/mortgages, which meant I could move more gradually, and the short distance meant that these trips weren't as taxing, and the only "big" part of the move was to bring the big furniture. But with the long moves, _everything_ had to be moved in one trip. This was significantly more difficult. Now, with this guy, where he's moving his _house_ over a short distance, the logistics would probably be more like my experience with long moves, since things would have to be moved out of the house before the house was moved, then brought back after the house was moved. So in that sense you're right that there wouldn't be a big difference between a short move and a long one for this guy. But in my overall experience, the shorter moves were easier.
Do you think he had to pack everything up and take it outside? Or might he have just packed the fragile things and put them in boxes on the floor? I know that when they move mobile homes that were previously occupied, they sometimes just make sure everything is secure and won't shift, and heavy items are on the floor. (An acquaintance once moved a double-wide. One half was in an accident and was totally destroyed. They were on pins and needles until they found out it was not the half that had their possessions in it -- everything was in the lighter half, which was not the one destroyed. And yeah, it was insured, so that aspect of this eventually worked out.)
My Dad bought the house behind ours . back in the 70s and it moved about 70ft and turned 90 % took a few days to lift it then back a tailor under it move it turn it and then lower it . with out emptying it . it was a small 3 room cottage
In the early part of the 20th century my grandfather moved a house from one end of the block to the other end using a system he rented. The heart of it was a large capstan. But it also had wheels and tracks. The amazing part is it only required 1 horse to power it for his ordinary house. The system actually had provisions for 4 horses so it could move very large items. He said that the house moved 1 block but the horse walked several miles.
I knew a guy with a house in a suburb. He wanted to put a fireplace in his basement. The only wall that made sense to have the fireplace was close to a neighbor's property line. They hired a contractor, he filed permits, they dug the foundation for the fireplace that complied with the rules, and called for the City Inspector to approve before they poured concrete. The Inspector came out, measured everything, checked the setbacks, and approved the pour. The contractor then, as soon as the inspector was out of sight, dug the actual foundation to where it needed to be and poured the concrete. The fireplace was illegal, but they got around it by just ignoring the rules! The homeowner lived there, enjoying his fireplace, for 15 or 20 years before passing away, and no one is the wiser. The ONLY people that knew about the deception were the contractor, the homeowner, and me, and nobody's talking.
@@sparkzbarca Probably has to do with codes, like a fireplace can't be within x feet of something blah blah blah. Same with land developer, trying to build on unstable ground. So they just paid off for the permit, then 50 years later, you hear about it. By then, the permit person is retired, & the company is no longer around.
I'm in HVAC. I commonly pass inspection, then build it the way I want it. For instance, I designed a five level dual overflow drain with dual safety switches that is better than the code way to do it because it is astoundingly easy to clean without climbing in the attic and has all of the clogged drain safety features required. It will not pass inspection simply because the inspectors do not understand it. I just wait until the inspection is done, cut a couple of 3/4" PVC pipes, and install my improved drain assembly.
When I was little, near where my grandma lived in California there was a real old Victorian style house, 2 stories. It was probably one of the first houses in the area, on a street that was turning into a shopping focused thoroughfare. Good real estate. The house was in poor condition. People bought this house, moved it several miles ultimately ending up in the foothills, shutting down a extremely busy 4 lane road for a couple days, on extremely steep gradients. Put it in it's spot in the neighborhood with a fantastic view, with a little perimiter wall, completely renovated and added an addition. This was probably around 08 09 when stuff was cheap, bet that investment has paid off now.
My sister is currently going through the exact thing you used as your opening example. What a cluster.... The county won't do anything until they see how the lawsuit shakes out...
I’ve heard, and I’m not sure if it’s true, that, if someone’s property falls into two municipalities, the property owner can declare the property as only being in one municipality or the other. It’d be interesting to find out if he tried to go that route
This year the company (engineering, surveying) i work for surveyed a property the clients just bought and with county GIS being more useful to the general population, found that the house to the north of them wasn't in their property, but when we surveyed it and drew it on CAD, it turns out the GIS was wrong and the house to the north was 50 feet south of the client's north line. I finished a survey drawing for them and we sent it to the client for them to speak to a real estate attorney on what they should do next. This is why you get a certificate of survey drawing, or at least hire a surveyor to confirm the boundary you're buying and there are no encroachments.
My home growing up was raised up a level. The process is similar to moving a house as the house is lifted up from the foundation and supports are placed for it to rest upon after a specific height is reached. In that area, you are either a foot above or a foot above sea level depending on where you are standing. The area is prone to floods so below ground basements cannot be used. My mom and our dog 🐶 were in the house as it was lifted up. We were never flooded while I lived there, after my father died and mom sold the house there was one hurricane that caused a levee to break and at least 7 feet of flood waters came through. The river is tidal and it was a high tide.
Just retired from the biz. Dealing with the town/city departments can be much, much wor$e than you think. I used to wonder why nobody got rid of some of the people, in a New Jersey mob kind of way. It wasn't my money and time being wasted (the longer it dragged out, the more revisions, the more I got paid), but it was very upsetting to watch.
I played a similar game when selling a car that I bought at a junk yard and resurrected with a good transmission (which I rebuilt). The selling price was $1000 plus any government fees. The government wouldn't let me transfer the title from the junk yard to the buyer. They wanted $90 extra to transfer the title to me, then the buyer. I just showed the receipt and the buyer paid it.
For 100k couldnt you just build on additional space on the side youre moving to and tear down the portion thats on the wrong side? Cuz you can buy a whole house for that.. or damn near.. and youd get a bigger and better house over screwing up the whole structure moving it..
according to commenters who know more details, the move is 12 feet MORE than the width of the house. - as in there is 12 feet between the old foundation and the closest side of the new foundation.
In Fort Worth Texas several years ago about 6or 8 houses were moved a few feet when the South Loop freeway was widened . I've also seen houses on wheels in a field advertised for sale " we will move to your lot."
25 or so years ago, Savannah, GA built a parkway that connects the far North part of town to the far South part of town to ease crosstown traffic and the city (or maybe the state) paid to have several homes picked up and moved out of the way. I remember watching several houses being driven around back then.
I had never seen an entire house moved before I moved to Kansas where it appears to be quite common. In my tenure here I've seen several and its a fascinating process.I can see liking a home so much that you'd want to take it with you. I've also seen a couple of historic houses moved when a government entity wants the land for a different purpose. Its nice to see efforts to preserve the past rather than this constant push to tear down and start fresh.
Some years back a long-standing dispute between NC and SC about a small section of the state line's location was finally settled. It moved the line thus changing which state some people lived in, and the properties which were intersected with the new line running through them were allowed a choice to remain in their old state for residency and taxation purposes for 5 years so they could sell out if they wanted to. The states would have likely settled the issue sooner but there were water access rights to a river involved which was more important to them than any taxes lost or gained.
The property tax wouldn't change, if greedy politicians didn't raise property taxes based on what's on the property. Property taxes shouldn't exist, but they should at least be based on the piece of land, not what's on the land.
That, my friend, would be in a world done right. And that world would be devoid of politicians ALTOGETHER, as a world done right and politicians are antithetical to one another. Sad state of affairs this Nation, and the world at large are in nowadays. Downright tragic in fact.
It likely isn't that the house is moving 12 feet of distance, it is more likely that the one foundation is 12 feet from the other foundation. So the total distance is the size of the house in the direction it is moving plus 12 feet.
When they put I-94 in while I was a kid, the homes that were on the land that was subject to eminent domain were being moved on a regular basis. It was strange at first to see a house going down Gratiot. Then it was so common it was no longer a novelty.
When I lived in Snohomish, the houses across the street were long distance phone calls. When I was a kid, a house had a school line in the middle, that sent kids in one bedroom to one school, and another bedroom went to another school. Where I am now, the city is measuring the landslide area boundary in inches.
about 30 years ago there was a huge mall built on the mass new hampshire line and a few feet of jc penny was just over the mass line and mass tried to have the sales tax imposed on the entire mall ...they tore down the corner of that pennys and rebuilt it to be in all new hampshire....no sales tax.
Similarly, we built our house in the boonies and have 'moved' 5 times when the county had changed our address. Fortunately we didn't have to pack up and bug out..... but our house has a set of numbers on it from the various changes with the longest lasting and present address emblazoned over the garage door.... just in case.
The two lane road which led into Deltona, Fla., Saxon Blvd., was widened in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Every house along Saxon up to a certain point had to be moved back by quite a bit more than 12 feet. Was quite the spectacle.
They moved the telephone exchange building in Indianapolis while 600 people worked. The building was in use the whole time. The basically rotated it 90 degrees it was done on the late 1890s. If they can do that they should be able 😺 to move with the contents intact
A large portion of the Norwich Military College in Northfield Vermont, was pick and moved there from their original locations in Norwich Vermont, I think it was like 7 of the 3 and 4 story tall Dorms if I recall from when I worked there. It's about 50 miles from Norwich Vermont to the current resting spot for Norwich College
In MN a variance is for a length or number, not for something that is not allowed. Example you can get a variance for a reduced setback length, but not for allowing chickens in a city where they are not allowed. Might be different in Michigan.
When I was going to college in Vermont, I took a Vermont Government class and on the 1st of May many of the smaller towns like Bolton and Huntington held public meetings to vote on how to spend the town's money for the year and vote on anything of public interest. This issue could have been brought up at one such meeting and the residents in attendance voted not to change the zoning. Many of the votes for the meetings that I was able to attend was done by a show of hands.
12' separates the old house foundation footprint from the new house foundation footprint. So, the house isn't being moved just 12 feet, it's actually being moved a total distance equal to the width of the house plus 12 feet. Rick Weston, the house owner, estimates the cost of relocation will run between $80K to $100K and expects the work to be completed by the end of June 2024. Personal observation: The new house foundation is substantially done at this point, so it looks like the house relocation is on schedule. However, it may take a couple of more months to connect utilities, landscape and complete work on other finishing details (including permit inspections), as well as to clean up/demo the old home site.
When I was 2 we had a house fire it was a total loss then at 5 my parents bought a abandoned farm house and had it moved to our farm. It was the wildest thing for a little kid to see. I still got pictures of it on the on the road being moved and it on the dollies wheels as they put it in place over our new basement. It's a very slow process but amazing to see.
My wife and I moved seven times during ou now nearly 42 years of marriage. Most of those were in the early years: college, young family, jobs, etc. Our most tedious and difficult move was up the street to the house we now live in. The distance was about 100 yards.
We actually picked the house up from the site sight of where a new school was going to be built and moved it a few blocks away and if they do the same process as we did he really wouldn't have to take anything out of the house. We moved it with cabinets, shelves, beds everything still in it
We have at least two houses in my town that people bought and moved them here when they put in the expressway. Not sure if it was I 94 OR 696. THey got them really cheap and they were decent houses. Saved the state demolition and haulling costs.
I would move a house 12 feet just to avoid an HOA!LOL!
National Homeowner Socialist Party of America
Sorry but it’s against the HOA rules to move the house. Your now going to get fined everyday until you retract that statement
Really, my comment was deleted? I didn't even use any mean words.
Steve you are layer, your are man of pointing man. Man from f.......
You wouldn't have that option to begin with. You don't buy a home in a HoA you lease it. Unless you get the owners (The HoA) permission you may not move THEIR property.
Living in a HoA is just renting with extra steps and more government + fee's.
Lifting the house: $5000 dollars. Moving it 12ft: $1000. Putting the house down: $3000.
Not having to deal with a crappy government: Priceless!
I'm guessing you don't believe in zoning regulations... until someone moves in next to you doing something *_you_* don't like.
@@davidhoward4715 I really don't care. We already have environment laws in place and reasonable restrictions. If you want more controls in your neighborhood, that's what HOA's are for. Most are actually fine, despite the few crazy ones that always make the reddit.
I also find that a conversation with your neighbor goes way farther than calling the city on them.
It is not just 12ft. It is 12ft plus the width of the house. The 12ft is between the left edge of the foundation and the right edge of the other foundation, in another word, a 12 foot gap between the two foundations.
@@davidhoward4715 It's not that people don't believe in zoning regs... but it has everything to do with zoning regs being used to unfaily and unjustifiabily target people. In general zoning needs to be more restricted. Zoning is definitely responsible for a large amount of waste in both time and resources in the USA. Rush Hour? That is caused by Zoning. Millions of gallons of wasted gas each year? Zoning. Housing divisions that look like mazes? Zoning "designed to prevent through traffic" entirely. And... of course as mentioned in the video... property taxes.
@@jarrod752 The only HOA that makes any sense is Condo because you literally shares structure with other people. It makes no sense for anything else. No... you do not have a right to control your neighbor so you can "keep your prop value up". The city should be maintaining things like that.
Steve's News Next Week..."City expands it's boundaries to include house moved 12 feet"...
Lol! I wouldn't put it past them if the land he was moving it onto had been unincorporated land. But since it's apparently part of the other town, they likely would be unable to just incorporate it without a major fight with that other town.
@@Dervraka I was actually wondering about that, because where I am the city uses the middle of the road/street to differentiate one suburb/city from the other, but it appears he's got a city divide along one property boundary, a bit odd🤷♂
City rezones forest into a commercial district
And the next news story will be about a disgruntled citizen gunning down a city council and I wouldn't blame him one bit.
the house I live in resulted from the owner's previous property being taken in eminent domain; he had just completed the house when it happened. They told him to find a piece of land and thye would build hima house for free. His wife was so pissed she said "I want new everything" so she didn't take a thing from the 'old' house for the new one, just got all new stuff with their all new house. Fun part: during the ED process, he asked if he could purchase his old house back; bought it for $500 and had it moved (including all their old stuff) one street over from the new house and sold it to his brother. Net result? Two basically free houses and properties. Epic win.
It's a win but what of the taxes on the gross profits?
My moms landlord had just remodeled his house in 2018 (1950s cape cod style on 3/4 acre that sat facing the main road right at the corner of the road entering the neighborhood) and developers bought 100 acres in the back of the neighborhood with plans to build around 1500 town houses but the state required the road be widened to allow for extra cars. There is a cemetery on one side of the road and his on the other side. The came with an offer to buy his property to widen the road that was low (didn't know the house had just been remodeled) he countered with selling them the property at land value but they had to build him a new house on a chunk of land he had about 1/8 mile back in the neighborhood. He got a 3000 sg ft house mortgage free and $50,000 for his corner property.
The taxpayers funded the ridiculous choices of the government
That's extremely generous of them. When a municipality took the only buildable portion of a piece of property my Dad owned, they just paid for the piece they wanted, not the rest of it, even though it made the entire land worthless due to the topography.
I know of 6 property parcels that are DIVIDED between my town line & the adjacent town line, & these poor owners get 2 SEPARATE TAX BILLS!!!
Further, 2 of those owners wanted to get a small personal flock of chickens: the adjacent town FORBIDS chicken -keeping, but mine DOESN'T....so those owners just keep their birds fenced into my town's side of their respective properties...
It's BIZARRE!!!!!⚡❣️
Technically, those 6 property parcels are actually 12, since each one is two separate pieces.
Two separate tax bills seems a bit odd. Most locales, at least here in Virginia, base the jurisdiction of a property, which straddle property, County lines, etc. on the location of its Master bedroom.
Seems as though the owner needs to file for combining them. Just how does anything get built with that idea unless those are vacant land.
Theres a road in my town thats 2 different counties. The road runs east to west. South side is one town, county and area code. The kids go to different schools. Its not really relevant now but it was long distance to call across the street back when land lines were a thing.
@@user-fs8yh3ob7b In 2 of those issues (same as the "chicken - keepers), they petitioned each town to relinquish their "half" to the other, as the "line division" was a serious down drag on property value & selling options. Neither relented, & in both of those specific cases, the town lines literally split the houses in half....
One was sooooooo upset over the fact that one bathroom on each side of the house actually elevated the assessment on each side of the line.... It's a nasty situation to find out about AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED. BUYER BEWARE!!!!!⚡💥
There's a legend of a man in Baarle-Hertog Belgium who after a new border survey found his house was now legally in in the Netherlands. So he did the only sensible thing and moved his front door so that legally his address and house would remain legally part of Belgium.
What you say reminds me of a story I read about years ago. The border between Georgia and another state (Alabama? I forget exactly which state) were actually drawn incorrectly, making one of the states an extra mile or two longer where they border each other. There was a dispute over which state government had the rights to a body of water in that specific area, so they tried to use that historic error to seize that 1 or 2 mile stretch of land and the water within it (which would also move a bunch of homeowners in the area to that neighboring state). But since the mistake happened hundreds of years ago their case didn't get very far before being thrown out of court.
It was Tennessee. The Georgia Tennessee border was supposed to share part of the Tennessee River but ended up missing. Georgia has had a lot of water issues in recent years and wanted access to the river, but like you said, they lost.
I swear, all zoning departments in the USA could be kidnapped by aliens overnight and we'd be okay
😄 That would be fine by me. Not sure even aliens want them tho...
We need bypasses. Sorry about your planet.
Are you sure they haven't already been replaced by aliens?😁
@@MeRia035 human sacrifices
zoning departments do NOT create the law. It's the politicians.
I live a few hours from this guy. Very proud of him😊
Another story I just remembered. An 18th century house on parent's road was only a couple of feet from the road. It was in poir condition, and the new homeowners asked the zoning board to allow them to tear it down and build a new house. There is a steep hill in back, so they couldn't rebuild farther back. The zoning board said no, it was too dangerous, the driveway was blind and the house was on a curved part of the road. So they tore down 1/3 of the house, rebuilt it (legally repaired that 1/3), then tore down and replaced the middle 1/3 and then the last 1/3.
Malicious compliance.
I've heard of people remodel all but one wall, finish up, wait a few weeks/months, then draw a new permit to remodel that last wall
For a house from that long ago might be protected under historical bylaws, so legally they couldn't tear down the entire property to build something new. Those buildings need to be rebuilt with the exact same type of material usually and that gets really pricy.
My parents did the same thing, building a better home over the existing 1800's home and tearing out the old home from inside. A few walls were retained. This was done in the 1980's and now the house sits on the original stone foundation on 12-inch square beams. During the 1990's I remember the basement flooding, water pouring into the basement like ten or twenty garden houses. After that my dad would go out and clear the street drain every time it rained. In 2019 the city finally replaced the hundred year old street drain system and the basement has been dry ever since. Crazy.
@@Londubh I've been told that the way to avoid having to get a new construction permit is to:
1) Lift the house, repair/replace the foundation and basement.
2) Lower the house back down, gut it to the outer walls.
3) Rebuild everything that is not the outer walls, then tear off the siding and sheeting and replace that, replacing bad structure as you go.
4) Tear off and replace the roof.
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It's a pain, but often easier, faster, and less "gifts" than getting on "the list" to build a new house after knocking a failed one down.
I'm sure the local Napoleons wouldn't let him have a variance, and care 1000x more about their power than any lost revenue!!!
We wanted to tear down our shed and build a bigger one on the same spot. This arrogant ahole from the plan commission won't allow us to because of its distance to the property line. He was high on that little bit of power. I make sure I vote for his opponents.
Exactly.
Most likely true. Vermont has one of the worst housing shortages in the country and it's mostly due to incredibly severe regulation when it comes to building new homes.
Like Steve noted there is definitely some unreported drama to this story. Which side has been the jerk, owner, board, or both?
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Sounds like a job for the local Amish handymen..Should be done before lunch.
As if the Amish know how to move anything... this is clearly a job for certified professionals, chosen by an experienced committee, in the relevant areas... namely a homeowner's association, which will certainly have the very best licensed lgbtunion contractors in the area on speed dial, at very reasonable rates. None of this funny hat brigade nonsense, like you suggest!
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I think it was a joke but what Amish do know is how to work and community. They move houses all the time.
@@geoffreyjett600 -- Yeah, I _hope_ that was sarcastic. lol.
And I've watched a couple of documentaries about Amish house and barn moving. In one, the state wanted to put a highway in, but it would require demolition of a house. The community fought it, but the state won (no surprise, right?). So the community _moved_ the structure to a nearby location. One caveat was that part of the move did have to travel along an existing state highway, so they were forced to hire an outside house-moving company in order to get the permits necessary for that portion of the trip.
And the local community would provide lunch…
Amish well known for their use of hydraulic jacks. 😅
I heard a story about a man being told that his house was too close to the property line. His response was “just move the property line”. The county official took him to court, and it turns out the homeowner owned the neighboring lot, so the court just moved the property line.
In all fairness, somebody screwed up if that was the case. The house should have been grandfathered in if it had been properly permitted and built prior to the property line being there. And if the line was there first, then the people approving the permit should have known that when approving it.
I'm guessing it's 12' between foundations.
This is a great example of local governments having too much power over what you can do with your own property.
Yes, I looked up the news report on this. It's 12 feet between foundations, so the house is actually moved 12 feet + the width of the house. Maybe he needs to stay 6 feet from the city border?
Yeah, that was my first thought.
I know of a case where the town would not approve a demolition permit, but granted a building permit for the same property. The solution was to build the new structure around the existing structure and then do some interior remodeling.
We were building an in ground swimming pool and even though we had the property surveyed the city came out and stated that 3 feet of the pool was going to be on city property. The pool builder was distraught because he already had dug the pool out and he could not fathom (if he had to fill it in) where he would get that much dirt. The city inspector that came out was legendary in that he was known as being the most difficult to deal with. My wife sat him down, gave him a glass of cold iced tea and a wonderful sandwich and chatted him up. He said do not worry I will "bubble it." This was his term for a variance that he could do. My wife understood that these city inspectors take a lot of heat from homeowners who see the inspectors as The Enemy, so she treated him with great kindness and respect. This shows that anything is possible if you are nice to people.
How much lettuce was in the sandwich?
My neighbor had to slip a inspector a leaf over a few inches.
@@1Springloaded No lettuce, we got away cheap. The guy was so surprised that we were nice and not angry.
Kinda reminds me of a scripture....Answer when mild turns away rage..Proverbs 15:1
I guess my question was the survey accurate?
A variance for regulation is one thing. A variance for being on city land sounds dodgy and dangerous.
He still has his property on the other side of the line. They'll find a way to mess with him. And if they can't find one, they'll invent one.
My question is where is his driveway and or mailbox?
Probably not much. They can't arbitrarily raise taxes on the portion on their side of the line. Nor can they seize it either. If he chooses to build something on that side of the line, they could potentially tie that up with regulations, but realistically, I doubt they're going to care.
when you take "I'm taking my ball and going home then" to a whole new level!
RE: 2:40 question about moving 12'. It's 12' from one foundation to another. I.e The entire building is moving to a completely new foundation. So really it's moving 12'+the house width which would seem to total around 40-50. It looks like a reasonable sized 2 story house.
edit: Note, I looked up the source and watched the video. It's clear in the video.
Ok thanks, that makes more sense
That's the way I interpreted it. Unless the guys house was less than 12 feet wide he would still be in the same jurisdiction. News producers all the time mislead to make the news item more sensational and to incense the audience. The homeowners situation seems all the more ridiculous to say the man has to move the house only twelve feet rather than 60 feet to gain zoning compliance. This sort of reporting deception is something that audiences of all stories need to be on constant watch for otherwise their understanding of the reported situation is in jeopardy. Still 12 feet or 60 feet it is very unfortunate that he and the old township could not come up with an acceptable variance for both parties. This is a sort of bureaucratic nonsense that is getting more and more common with time.
Yeah, the "moving 12 feet" is pretty clickbaity. clickbaitish? Sounds like clickbait.
@@mikecrooks8085 or its moved 12 feet from the furthest point over the line.
Anway this entire thing is stupid. The guy built it there on purpose using laws to build it cheaply as a cabin. Now he wants to sell it as a house to make 10x what he would if it was a cabin without having to pay for the requirements that would ahve cost to build a house.
@@mikecrooks8085 Depends on the jurisdiction. Obtaining a Zoning Variance can sometimes be a simple matter, BUT the home then can become a Non-Conforming use. If non-conforming any future modifications may not be possible without a lot of bureaucratic BS. Further, in CT that variance is tied to the land and not to the owner. Thus any future buyer will be faced with the same restriction(s).
About 30 years ago, I rented a house on what had been a farm in the distant past. There were 33 acres of the original farm left, with many different buildings on that land -- including not only the house I rented, but several other houses that had been built by the family that owned the farm. Eventually, of course, a developer came along and made the owner an offer she couldn't refuse (many *many* millions of dollars) so she sold it. But the developer really liked one of the houses that was on the property, so he moved it towards the front of the property and it's still standing today as the "clubhouse" for the neighborhood he built. Even though that house didn't have to be moved terribly far, it was still a huge undertaking that took months to accomplish. I can't imagine being forced to undergo that expense and trouble just to move 12 feet, though! 😂
Yeah, its an engineering feat to move a building intact. Gotta pop the building off the foundation, jack it up just enough to put beams under it, secure them together into 1 piece to be hoisted up by a crane large enough to even lift it. At least he wouldn't need a truck large enough to carry the house too, there was a show on the Discovery channel called something like 'Big Moves' and they were moving houses from 1 province/state to another, along with all the hurdles included with that because of roads, utility poles, wires, bridges, etc....
Yep, it's worth noting that the cost and expense of moving a building on a property doesn't really change much whether it's 12 feet or 200 feet, provided you've got a path to get there. Most of it is the lifting and the setting back in place after you've got the new foundation in.
Back in the early 60s, my uncle built a large home on his property just outside the city limits. He had well water and rual electric. Soon after, the city expanded and put their line right through the center of his house. They had to provide utilities since he was now a resident, and since the city electric was way more than rural, he kept his electric but made them run city water to his home.
I am a child. Anytime I can afford to give the "man" the middle finger, I do it with a smile on my face!
Be surprised if you vote. Certainly are not active in your government.
I'm picturing someone literally flipping off a government official while using a giant forklift to move their house.
He could get an artist to paint a middle finger on the side of the property that faces the old location.
I went to school with a girl. Her brother went to another school. They lived in a house where the township line ran through the middle of the house. The townships decided that whichever side of the line their bedroom was on was where they would go to school...
How do they know which one sleeps in which bedroom?
Dumb. Most folks with a brain would have used the street address that the front door is located as most focus on that for a "location". The schools were focusing on head count for revenue.
Crazy
@@truechaosmulala3831Right. And would if they switched bedrooms?
“Can I get out of variance?”
“Get out of town!”
“Sure!”
It's been my experience that most small towns or townships are most often run as mini fiefdoms with all the attendant attitudes. A an where I live tried to get his electricity hooked up three times only to be told that the hardware looked "rusty". This after having replaced said hardware twice. The guy finally got so fed up that he ask the city worker if he liked his face, 'cause he was about to rearrange it for him. Needless to say, it was immediately hooked up. Give somebody a little power and you'll soon discover their character (or lack thereof).
The article calls his home a "camp". Having lived in Maine, I learned that the locals use the word "camp" to describe a seasonal cottage or lake cottage. So I suspect it is small.
Can't be too small to cost $100k
Looked to be a generous 2-story home
I've known people with "camps" with fairly substantial "cottages", many comparable to my house.
@@xuthnet On St Simon Island, GA, summer cottages are mansions.
camps are also not subject to laws that houses are when they are built. This guy built a cabin, and now wants to get it zoned as a house to sell it for more money after using loopholes to build it cheaply with it being a cabin.
Why didn’t he just live in the part of the house that was in the correct town and tell the other town he doesn’t live in that 12’ of his house year round? 🤣🤣🤣
I don't think he was stupid enough to straddle the house on towns
@@xpusostomosbut he did
@@arribaficationwineho32 Don't think so looking at the video
@@dianeladico1769 it sounds very predatory by local govt
because he isnt looking to live there. He built the cabin with the reduced requirements of building a cabin. Cheaper build and now he wants to sell it as a house rather than a cabin so he can sell it for more to maximize profit.
I moved a cottage 8 ft back to avoid flooding. We lifted the house up, put supporting beams under the house. We put parallel runners under the house and one the ground with steel pipes between them. Using a winch to move the cottage. If the land is flat or at least smooth you can do it.
This just makes me hate government even more.
For me I dont think it's possible. My disdain has reached peak saturation level. The Hierarchy of Governance is parasitic. A pestilence settled over the people and land like a thick, life squelching toxic fog.
@@sheepishmclemmingston5550 I'm actually working on a project to provide track records for officials in government, starting with Congress and state legislatures but with the goal to also get down to the level of mayors, judges, county board members, etc, eventually.
I'll be providing updates if you want to follow the project.
My hate for them grows by the day.
"Government is just a name for the things we choose to do together."
Necessary evil. Government will always arise, one way or another; the goal is to make it as benign and malleable to the popular will as possible.
I grew up on a piece of property that was cut through by a township border. My mailing address was listed in one town (because that's where the mailbox was), but my school district was in the other (which the bulk of the property was in). As a result, I was the only kid in my class whose home address was the next town over. Eventually, they changed it such that our mailing address was switched to the township most of the land was actually in, despite the mailbox technically still being on the far side of the border. Our actual street number had to change, too, so in 7th grade, my street number, town, and zip code changed even though we hadn't moved.
I thought that I’d move farther than twelve feet, then I thought about the city seeing the house, still in basically the same place but they can’t do anything about it now 😂😂 he probably did it to gall them.
Exactly, shortest distance to move the property entrance, and thus the billing entity, as the land itself is likely all one, just had a boundary line drawn through it years ago, after it was subdivided into lots, and his parcel, lot 23 of 55 of the farm whatever, got that arbitrary line drawn down the middle of it, to make the surveyor's job easier instead of a mass of Gerrymandering of the boundary, and subsequent decades of squabbling in court around this.
He must've weighed his options move the house, or build a kill dozer
Cheaper to move the house. Have you seen the price of even a used D9?
@@gschgvt2956 not to mention the price of plate steel and spools of welding wire it seems now the kill dozer is a rich man's game
We can debate this whole issue but it boils down to one problem and the home owner points it out perfectly when he said "By moving it there they're LETTING ME live there year round"! Why do we let the government dictate to us what we can and can not do on our own property!
"In a mature society, the phrases 'civil servant' and 'civil master' are semantically equal." -Robert A. Heinlein
Because there's always that one neighbour who wants to build an abattoir in their back yard and pile the waste next to your property line.
back in the 1980s in new jersey, my father added a 2 car garage to his 7.5 acre property (out in the delaware water gap region). after all the permits, inspections and the like, just before its completion, the inspector (who'd previously approved the location twice) shut the construction down since 1 corner of the garage "broke the plane of the front of the house by less than 6"). the town demanded that he apply for a "certificate of occupancy" for the garage. by the way, neither he nor any neighbor (5 away each direction) even had a CO for their homes. in the end he got the CO, then ran for mayor of the town. he won the election (small town, less than 550 people) the spent every dime in the towns coffers to buy a defunct gravel mine as a potential future park. the resigned from the town....... the moral? there's always a way to fight city hall.......
I raised about 15 homes in my career as a general contractor. 3 of these were just lift ups. Putting a 1st floor under the old house along with a new foundation. About 5 of the total homes the people never moved their furniture out. They moved themselves and family out and in.
I moved into a neighborhood where all the homes were under construction. One completed house was taken off the market without being sold. I was curious so I asked my realtor what was up. The house was built too close to a protected wetlands green belt. The builder fixed it by cutting a triangle off the corner of the house. It was about 6ft x 12ft narrow triangle. It really made for a weirdly shaped bedroom, bathroom and garage.
Now, I'm really curious about that Variance, too! In small towns, Zoning appeals are 'selective' to an 'old guard'-- and the easiest way to keep control over any new growth they aren't a part of. I call it an Underbelly, but basically it's a Mob-- and mostly, they succeed! I had my dream home in such a town-- but Moved 20 miles over a mountain pass to get Fairer consideration.
The house is pretty easily findable on Google Maps... it is quite literally on the town border. But is served by the Bolton post office, so already has a Bolton address. Looks like his driveway will still be in Huntington, as with the rest of his property. Wild how this plays out.
A search pulls up a PDF as well, he tried building something in 2008 but was denied by the town of Bolton (probably why he built it in Huntington). Guess they approved him to move it though.
Correct he used one towns laws to build a cabin and now wants to sell it as a house to maximize profits.
My brother bought a small farm in Missouri. The house is in one county, and gets electricity from on company. The barn, about 100 yards away, is in a different county, and its electric comes from a different company.
We considered moving our first house. It had a tiny triangle of a back yard and a very large front (corner lot). Turning it would even out the two and give us a better situation. The quote we were given was about 15k. But all the utility work, foundation work, etc., made that over 45k.
Eventually decided to move, instead, but it was a workable idea in different circumstances.
I just watched a video on this. It is actually farther. It is 12 feet to cross the city lines but the the whole house must cross the line, not 12 feet of it. there is about 12 to 20 feet between the two foundations. Cost estimated to 80 to 100,000
House moving has always fascinated me. There used to be a bunch of houses up on blocks near the Spring Valley Drive In. You could buy them and plop em on your own lot! 😲
This has always interested me, and it seems over a century ago they moved houses all the time. I find some of this while reading books about history of local places, such as a history book I came across of Rockford, IL written in 1900, tells about so many specific houses that were moved, sometimes a block, sometimes much further. I am guessing it was easier when there were fewer obstacles like stoplights.
Though I think this one, moving 12 feet would be simpler since he shouldn’t have to close streets and move stoplights and redirect traffic. Still would be fun to watch.
My neighbor dug the foundation for their new house after they were dug the utility company moved the utility pole. When the footings were inspected they were to close to the utility pole since it was placed next to the old location. He had to move the footings over 16”! At least the concrete was not poured yet.
I remember that episode of the Adams Family.
Twice when I was in school we moved short distances. The first time was to a house across the street. The second was two houses over. We just carried stuff. A lot of work.
I believe in Europe the country a building is in depends on the door. If I remember, Europeans have moved the door to a building to change the nation the building is. He may have just had to move the door over since he owns the property on both sides.
My brother's property line overlaps a large brick building by about 2 inches. He has no right to any rents for his property because of a an in pertuity easement, but he is charged property tax that includes the 2 inches of wall on his property. So his tax assesment is $180,000 even though the market value is less than $90,000. 🤦♂️
I'm from Spain, and our postal direction depends on where the front door is.
I don't know what the tax situation is when your house is on 2 different municipal territories.
Exactly, your value can even depend on the street address, so some builders put the main entrance on a corner lot on the cheaper side, even though there was more frontage on the main street. Some small malls are like that by me, cheaper to have a side street entrance over a main road entrance, even though the longest length is main road, but they put parking there, as that section, barriered off by a small kerb, is technically city property so was not allowed to be built on. Side entrance, and tar is allowed though.
reminds me of that one house on the border of Canada and USA. Has one door in the USA and another in Canada. People have their packages shipped there, and then go and pick it up from the residents.
I was going to say driveway access, but door access might be the answer as well.
I know a woman who wanted to tear down the summer camp that she inherited from her mother and uncle (they argued about who should pay for maintenance for decades, it had a large tree growing through it!) on the lake. The town said ok she could build a new camp, but she could not build the three bedroom house that she wanted. A small town, didn't want to give up a profitable property tax to a money losing one, if school aged children moved in. She managed to negotiate a one bedroom, year round house. She has rented it out to a series of single teachers during the school year, and rents it by the week during the summer.
There was a restaurant half in zion I'll. And half in lake county illinois.
Zion was a dry city. The Greek who owned it served alcohol but, you had to sit in the north half of the building.
It was horizon restrant.
I have some very good friends who live in southeastern Vermont, and they own a camp. Rules vary across the state but the town their camp is in states that camps can have electricity but no town water or sewer. So their camp has an outhouse and a kitchen sink connected to a well. After the dishes are washed, the dishwater is thrown in the bushes. Heat in the winter comes from a massive fireplace since there's not enough electricity coming into the house to run heaters. No TV, internet, or cell service since they're far away from everything. They use the camp as a base for hunting since they're right at the edge of a large forest. The camp is well stocked with games for times when they get rained or snowed in. Even though the camp is probably only 600 square feet, there are about 20 to 25 beds there for large hunting parties they host.
My wife's family's camp had electricity and that was it. When my wife and I stayed there, we'd only use the electricity for the refrigerator. Cooked on the woodstove or a campfire, kerosene lamps for light, either took eco-safe soap and a towel down to the lake, or else heated up kettles of water on the woodstove to heat up the bath water in the washtub.
Townships can be hard to beat. I used to have a neighbor directly across the street from me, the township rezoned it and made him tear it down. The crazy thing is that he had just moved the house a few years prior, before the rezoning. The rezoned because they realized the 7 businesses were each only paying $700.00 per year in property taxes & after rezoning they get to collect $2,500 per year in taxes from each.
As you said, he wants to sell the house. He knows it will fetch a much higher price after it is moved. It’s simply a business decision.
Zoning, codes and variances all depend on who you are.
They may not say anything at all for 1 person and go ballistic for another.
Love all the topics you always pick this one just keeps giving me questions
Hi Steve . In '68 my h.s. gf and a long time guy friend both had to move when the 91 fwy came thru Bellflower . She and mom went to Riverside , he 2 blks north . Progress sometimes bites . Take care 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
It is harder to move a short distance. Getting them to let you keep your address is a nightmare.
I watched a hilarious video years ago the town hated the man. Kept trying to screw him over. Went so far as to survey his property, and found out they had the street intersection on his property. He told them to move the street. They tried to buy the land. He told them no, if you bought that corner there is not enough property left for a home. Move your street.
Ben’s in front of the KAARME plate
Käärme = Snake in Finnish
When I was a kid in the 70's in Michigan, there was a house they started building that was a few inches too close to the property line, and the other owner wouldn't sell. The concrete block shell sat vacant for something like 30 years before they finally got it resolved and they finished the house.
Steve, When I was the tax lawyer for Walmart (early 2000s) we had built a store that was on the dividing line between two townships in Ohio (I think). Interestingly the townships had different sales tax rates on taxable sales. I negotiated with the townships' attorneys a settlement on what percentage of sales and what rates to pay each one. We didn't want to move the store into the township with the lower rate.
Ben behind the Ice Crean van, lower left.
There was a time when I moved four times in seven years. Two of them were short moves (in the same town), and two of them were long (over multiple states). The short moves had overlapping leases/mortgages, which meant I could move more gradually, and the short distance meant that these trips weren't as taxing, and the only "big" part of the move was to bring the big furniture. But with the long moves, _everything_ had to be moved in one trip. This was significantly more difficult.
Now, with this guy, where he's moving his _house_ over a short distance, the logistics would probably be more like my experience with long moves, since things would have to be moved out of the house before the house was moved, then brought back after the house was moved. So in that sense you're right that there wouldn't be a big difference between a short move and a long one for this guy. But in my overall experience, the shorter moves were easier.
Do you think he had to pack everything up and take it outside? Or might he have just packed the fragile things and put them in boxes on the floor? I know that when they move mobile homes that were previously occupied, they sometimes just make sure everything is secure and won't shift, and heavy items are on the floor. (An acquaintance once moved a double-wide. One half was in an accident and was totally destroyed. They were on pins and needles until they found out it was not the half that had their possessions in it -- everything was in the lighter half, which was not the one destroyed. And yeah, it was insured, so that aspect of this eventually worked out.)
"Three removes equal one fire." -Benjamin Franklin
My Dad bought the house behind ours . back in the 70s and it moved about 70ft and turned 90 % took a few days to lift it then back a tailor under it move it turn it and then lower it . with out emptying it . it was a small 3 room cottage
In the early part of the 20th century my grandfather moved a house from one end of the block to the other end using a system he rented. The heart of it was a large capstan. But it also had wheels and tracks. The amazing part is it only required 1 horse to power it for his ordinary house. The system actually had provisions for 4 horses so it could move very large items. He said that the house moved 1 block but the horse walked several miles.
I knew a guy with a house in a suburb. He wanted to put a fireplace in his basement. The only wall that made sense to have the fireplace was close to a neighbor's property line. They hired a contractor, he filed permits, they dug the foundation for the fireplace that complied with the rules, and called for the City Inspector to approve before they poured concrete. The Inspector came out, measured everything, checked the setbacks, and approved the pour.
The contractor then, as soon as the inspector was out of sight, dug the actual foundation to where it needed to be and poured the concrete. The fireplace was illegal, but they got around it by just ignoring the rules! The homeowner lived there, enjoying his fireplace, for 15 or 20 years before passing away, and no one is the wiser. The ONLY people that knew about the deception were the contractor, the homeowner, and me, and nobody's talking.
And now me. I want 1 penny to keep my mouth shut. 🤣😂
I don't understand why couldn't they dig it properly? Did he pour some concrete on his neighbors property?
@@sparkzbarca Probably has to do with codes, like a fireplace can't be within x feet of something blah blah blah. Same with land developer, trying to build on unstable ground. So they just paid off for the permit, then 50 years later, you hear about it. By then, the permit person is retired, & the company is no longer around.
I'm in HVAC. I commonly pass inspection, then build it the way I want it. For instance, I designed a five level dual overflow drain with dual safety switches that is better than the code way to do it because it is astoundingly easy to clean without climbing in the attic and has all of the clogged drain safety features required. It will not pass inspection simply because the inspectors do not understand it. I just wait until the inspection is done, cut a couple of 3/4" PVC pipes, and install my improved drain assembly.
“L’enfer, c'est les autres.” - Jean-Paul Sartre
(“Hell is other people.”)
When I was little, near where my grandma lived in California there was a real old Victorian style house, 2 stories. It was probably one of the first houses in the area, on a street that was turning into a shopping focused thoroughfare. Good real estate.
The house was in poor condition. People bought this house, moved it several miles ultimately ending up in the foothills, shutting down a extremely busy 4 lane road for a couple days, on extremely steep gradients.
Put it in it's spot in the neighborhood with a fantastic view, with a little perimiter wall, completely renovated and added an addition.
This was probably around 08 09 when stuff was cheap, bet that investment has paid off now.
My sister is currently going through the exact thing you used as your opening example. What a cluster.... The county won't do anything until they see how the lawsuit shakes out...
The Founding Fathers would be proud of the Council?
It is Vermont, it is Socialist. They don't care about rights or any of that stuff. Shame because they used to.
I’ve heard, and I’m not sure if it’s true, that, if someone’s property falls into two municipalities, the property owner can declare the property as only being in one municipality or the other. It’d be interesting to find out if he tried to go that route
This year the company (engineering, surveying) i work for surveyed a property the clients just bought and with county GIS being more useful to the general population, found that the house to the north of them wasn't in their property, but when we surveyed it and drew it on CAD, it turns out the GIS was wrong and the house to the north was 50 feet south of the client's north line. I finished a survey drawing for them and we sent it to the client for them to speak to a real estate attorney on what they should do next.
This is why you get a certificate of survey drawing, or at least hire a surveyor to confirm the boundary you're buying and there are no encroachments.
My home growing up was raised up a level. The process is similar to moving a house as the house is lifted up from the foundation and supports are placed for it to rest upon after a specific height is reached. In that area, you are either a foot above or a foot above sea level depending on where you are standing. The area is prone to floods so below ground basements cannot be used. My mom and our dog 🐶 were in the house as it was lifted up.
We were never flooded while I lived there, after my father died and mom sold the house there was one hurricane that caused a levee to break and at least 7 feet of flood waters came through. The river is tidal and it was a high tide.
Just retired from the biz. Dealing with the town/city departments can be much, much wor$e than you think. I used to wonder why nobody got rid of some of the people, in a New Jersey mob kind of way. It wasn't my money and time being wasted (the longer it dragged out, the more revisions, the more I got paid), but it was very upsetting to watch.
I played a similar game when selling a car that I bought at a junk yard and resurrected with a good transmission (which I rebuilt). The selling price was $1000 plus any government fees. The government wouldn't let me transfer the title from the junk yard to the buyer. They wanted $90 extra to transfer the title to me, then the buyer. I just showed the receipt and the buyer paid it.
For 100k couldnt you just build on additional space on the side youre moving to and tear down the portion thats on the wrong side? Cuz you can buy a whole house for that.. or damn near.. and youd get a bigger and better house over screwing up the whole structure moving it..
That’s what I was thinking.
If it’s going to cost that much, just build a new house …. You’d have to be better off
according to commenters who know more details, the move is 12 feet MORE than the width of the house. - as in there is 12 feet between the old foundation and the closest side of the new foundation.
In Fort Worth Texas several years ago about 6or 8 houses were moved a few feet when the South Loop freeway was widened . I've also seen houses on wheels in a field advertised for sale " we will move to your lot."
25 or so years ago, Savannah, GA built a parkway that connects the far North part of town to the far South part of town to ease crosstown traffic and the city (or maybe the state) paid to have several homes picked up and moved out of the way. I remember watching several houses being driven around back then.
Ben’s in front of the KAARME plate.
Did you have a good time at the hot rod show?
Mornin' Bill
@@Bobs-Wrigles5555 Big hotrod weekend in the Sierra Foothills.
G’nite Bob.
Yep,
Real easy find this time
Plot twist, the homeowner had the plot map upside down and moved his home 12ft into Huntington 😂😂
I had never seen an entire house moved before I moved to Kansas where it appears to be quite common. In my tenure here I've seen several and its a fascinating process.I can see liking a home so much that you'd want to take it with you.
I've also seen a couple of historic houses moved when a government entity wants the land for a different purpose. Its nice to see efforts to preserve the past rather than this constant push to tear down and start fresh.
Some years back a long-standing dispute between NC and SC about a small section of the state line's location was finally settled. It moved the line thus changing which state some people lived in, and the properties which were intersected with the new line running through them were allowed a choice to remain in their old state for residency and taxation purposes for 5 years so they could sell out if they wanted to. The states would have likely settled the issue sooner but there were water access rights to a river involved which was more important to them than any taxes lost or gained.
The property tax wouldn't change, if greedy politicians didn't raise property taxes based on what's on the property. Property taxes shouldn't exist, but they should at least be based on the piece of land, not what's on the land.
That, my friend, would be in a world done right. And that world would be devoid of politicians ALTOGETHER, as a world done right and politicians are antithetical to one another. Sad state of affairs this Nation, and the world at large are in nowadays. Downright tragic in fact.
Ome would think that for 100k can rebuild a small structure
Back when things made sense, absolutely.
Or maybe "persuade" a city council member or two.
It likely isn't that the house is moving 12 feet of distance, it is more likely that the one foundation is 12 feet from the other foundation. So the total distance is the size of the house in the direction it is moving plus 12 feet.
And this weeks 'Jobsworth' award goes to a local zoning officer
Ben getting snakey, in front of KAARME, Steve's RHS
When they put I-94 in while I was a kid, the homes that were on the land that was subject to eminent domain were being moved on a regular basis. It was strange at first to see a house going down Gratiot. Then it was so common it was no longer a novelty.
When I lived in Snohomish, the houses across the street were long distance phone calls. When I was a kid, a house had a school line in the middle, that sent kids in one bedroom to one school, and another bedroom went to another school. Where I am now, the city is measuring the landslide area boundary in inches.
Nice shirt! Ate "at" the Vegas In N Out. Thanks for the memory primer.
From the TV news report it appears to be 12 feet between old and new foundations so it is about 50 feet of total move distance.
about 30 years ago there was a huge mall built on the mass new hampshire line and a few feet of jc penny was just over the mass line and mass tried to have the sales tax imposed on the entire mall ...they tore down the corner of that pennys and rebuilt it to be in all new hampshire....no sales tax.
Similarly, we built our house in the boonies and have 'moved' 5 times when the county had changed our address. Fortunately we didn't have to pack up and bug out..... but our house has a set of numbers on it from the various changes with the longest lasting and present address emblazoned over the garage door.... just in case.
Talking to the town first is priceless and cost nothing, but time.
The two lane road which led into Deltona, Fla., Saxon Blvd., was widened in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Every house along Saxon up to a certain point had to be moved back by quite a bit more than 12 feet. Was quite the spectacle.
They moved the telephone exchange building in Indianapolis while 600 people worked. The building was in use the whole time. The basically rotated it 90 degrees it was done on the late 1890s. If they can do that they should be able 😺 to move with the contents intact
A large portion of the Norwich Military College in Northfield Vermont, was pick and moved there from their original locations in Norwich Vermont, I think it was like 7 of the 3 and 4 story tall Dorms if I recall from when I worked there.
It's about 50 miles from Norwich Vermont to the current resting spot for Norwich College
In MN a variance is for a length or number, not for something that is not allowed. Example you can get a variance for a reduced setback length, but not for allowing chickens in a city where they are not allowed. Might be different in Michigan.
Thank you for that tidbit of local statutes. I still love to learn something new every day. 👍🧓
When I was going to college in Vermont, I took a Vermont Government class and on the 1st of May many of the smaller towns like Bolton and Huntington held public meetings to vote on how to spend the town's money for the year and vote on anything of public interest. This issue could have been brought up at one such meeting and the residents in attendance voted not to change the zoning.
Many of the votes for the meetings that I was able to attend was done by a show of hands.
12' separates the old house foundation footprint from the new house foundation footprint. So, the house isn't being moved just 12 feet, it's actually being moved a total distance equal to the width of the house plus 12 feet.
Rick Weston, the house owner, estimates the cost of relocation will run between $80K to $100K and expects the work to be completed by the end of June 2024.
Personal observation: The new house foundation is substantially done at this point, so it looks like the house relocation is on schedule. However, it may take a couple of more months to connect utilities, landscape and complete work on other finishing details (including permit inspections), as well as to clean up/demo the old home site.
When I was 2 we had a house fire it was a total loss then at 5 my parents bought a abandoned farm house and had it moved to our farm. It was the wildest thing for a little kid to see. I still got pictures of it on the on the road being moved and it on the dollies wheels as they put it in place over our new basement. It's a very slow process but amazing to see.
I didn’t see that coming.
Love it.
My wife and I moved seven times during ou now nearly 42 years of marriage. Most of those were in the early years: college, young family, jobs, etc. Our most tedious and difficult move was up the street to the house we now live in. The distance was about 100 yards.
We actually picked the house up from the site sight of where a new school was going to be built and moved it a few blocks away and if they do the same process as we did he really wouldn't have to take anything out of the house. We moved it with cabinets, shelves, beds everything still in it
I remember my visit to George Eastman mansion in Rochester, ny he moved a wall using railroad ties to change the acoustics of his room.
We have at least two houses in my town that people bought and moved them here when they put in the expressway. Not sure if it was I 94 OR 696. THey got them really cheap and they were decent houses. Saved the state demolition and haulling costs.