Richard Jefferson Scoffs At Idea of Luka Doncic "Not Contributing To Winning" For Dallas Mavericks
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- In a story by The Ringer's Howard Beck about MVP voting, Dallas Mavericks fans were upset at the idea that Luka Doncic does not contribute to winning. Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye agree with Mavs fans and scoff at the idea that plus/minus numbers can correctly illustrate how valuable a superstar player like Doncic is, especially in a playoff series against the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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How could anyone on planet earth think that Luka doesn't impact winning? Might literally be the dumbest take in the history of sports
@@redraider121525Bull. He's been better than 80% of defenders this year. Go through his individual defensive stats and don't forget about being 2nd in assists in and his rebounds.
@@redraider121525how can he reach the conference finals by not playing defence? He was average in his rookie and sophomore year. His only truly bad year on defence was after the allstar game last season where the mavs basically gaved up.
Casuals that don't watch his game.
@@LC-jq7vn dude check my message. “BEFORE THIS YEAR.”
@@redraider121525you clearly don’t watch luka and just listen to the media 😂
Luka Dončić this season:
• 34/9/10
• 1st in points
• 2nd in assists
• 73 point game (4th highest ever)
• First 33/9/9 season in NBA history
• Most 30-PT TD’s since MVP Russ
• 1st in 25-point games
• 1st in 35-point games
• 1st in 40-point games
• 1st in 45-point games
• 2nd in 3’s made
• Top 10 in steals
• 61.7% TS
• Highest scoring season in Mavs history
• Most PPG + RPG + APG since the merger.
• Most consecutive 25 point triple-doubles ever
• Most consecutive 30 point triple-doubles ever
• Lifted Mavs from 11 seed to 5 seed
• Most games missed by teammates among all playoff teams
• Mavs 50+ wins
• Mavs 1st in clutch win%
• 6th best record in entire NBA
3rd in MVP Voting... it is so rigged!
Damn that's a lot of info to correct. You could have stopped at like the fourth point and your point would be made
@@EbizzerHH No no his team was fifth. He shouldn't win MVP until he's first. That's the right way to do it
@@blablablaa14 It's the Most Valuable Player (MVP), not the best player on the best team. If that was the case, then Jayson Tatum would be MVP.
@@gregkleinfall1901 You're right but your team should still finish top 3 if you're going to get an MVP
Im sorry but Brunson took from Lukas bag. Don't get me wrong i like Brunson he ex mavs but if u watch him, you see Luka and this aint a diss.
Brunson also a higher usage rate then Luka this post season but nobody wants to talk about it
Brunson learned a lot of BB special skill from Luka while at Mavs
Brunson said Luka was so good when they were drafted that he thought he wasn't good enough to play in the nba. That's how good Luka has been his entire career.
He is great but Luka is future top 10 was
Who the f twitted that about Luka? So their argument about Luka not contributing to winning comes in a post season where hes clearly injured yet when he was one of the best in the post season just 2 years ago this guy who twitted that was no where to be seen. Just pathetic
Did this dude seriously put Jalen Brunson ahead of Luka 😑😂 that would be a no.
Still trying to understand that shit 😂 The Knicks in the west conference would not make the playoffs
Jalen Brunson said Luka was so much better than him he questioned whether he belonged in the league. Kooky stuff.
PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford are getiing paid now with Luka
This so frustrating, luka meant to kill these playoffs instead he’s injured and being a shell of himself now all of a sudden hes trash
This one aged perfectly
The reason Joker's on/off is so high is because when he goes to the bench at the start of the 2nd quarter, so does Murray, KCP, Porter, and Gordon (or several of them). So it's not Joker's on/off, it's the starting five's on/off. Jokic is hugely important, but it's a team of guys just slightly below all-star level so without him they can play close but their bench is thin so they get 4-6 minute stretches with guys far below that level. Murray/KCP/MPJ/Gordon/Jokic vs Jackson/Braun/Watson/Holiday/Strauther. Yeah, I'm thinking that's a pretty big on/off.
Luka by himself can cause a massive dropoff because he is such a big scorer and great passer (like Jokic) and although Kyrie is good as well, he missed a lot of games early so when Luka sat there was literally no offense happening.
Lmfao, their facial reactions say everything at 0:27
Only way Luka can quiet this noise is to win
Fax
This isn’t “noise” he needs to quiet though. If you have this sentiment, you’re a casual. Just go look at the last game of the regular season for a 1 game example.
Nice breakdown, RJ!
The on off number are such a pathetic stat. It's so lineup dependent it's crazy. Mike Malone takes most of the starters off when he takes jokic off, that's why the on off are so big. Yet Luka a lot of the time plays with 3 to 4 bench players. Basing your argument on on/off is pathetic.
Fr it’s the most bs stat ever
Honestly. At its' surface, it seems like a good stat, but there's so much noise that it's impossible to standardize.
Does your coach sit all starters together? How deep is your bench? Are your off minutes usually in blowouts? Are you sitting out more against easier or harder matchups?
If anything, it seems like the stat tells you more about coaching strategy than player talent.
Same thing when they compare "time of possession" between Jokic and Doncic. This includes the time bringing the ball up and allowing the half court offense to set. Luka brings the ball up, Jokic usually does not. Usually Murray brings the ball up, lets the offense set up, then hands it off to Jokic at the top of the key, when they run their two man it's usually Murray handling the ball. It's a completely nonsense stat I see all the time to discredit Luka.
Most of PJs buckets are assists by Luka.
Exacly. He makes Pj looks this good..
Luka was +11.9 in on/off differential this season 96th percentile. Last year +7.3 for 82nd percentile. They should have looked it up before they entertained this nonsenee
The on off numbers don’t mean shit and show media don’t know shit about basketball. Reason luka on off numbers aren’t as good cos they stager Kyrie. Jokic on off numbers are great cos they played full bench lineups
Aint no way this dude saying brunson affects winning more thab Luka. Also brinson is 28 he is not young 😂
We have the same record as Knicks lol
The nuggets starters sit out together usually
Actually they staggered this season to have Muarry play when jokic was off the floor.
LUKA was ROBBED of MVP title!!!
On and off well Luka is leading rhe playoffs in on and off when the lineups are tight. Wonder why😂😂
Luka carried the team when almost total lineup is injured
He is fighting with whole body injured for his team
Look at cavs their players cant play with a single injury
So someone, somewhere, actually wasn't clear if Luka impacts winning for dallas or not?
Lmao brunson learned from luka. Dont think brunson would be as good as he is right noe if he had not come up with luka. Dont get me wrong, brunson would still develope great but you see lukas style all up and down his game
Luka is a top 3 player in the NBA. Does he impact winning? I think that’s the easiest questions ever answered, if you think its a debate or challenging question. You need to watch NBA basketball, and not CZcams highlights and believing what everyone is saying.
SO WHAT YALL HAVE TO SAY NOW
as a Mavs fan & follow/look at decent amount of twitter mavs fans, some are this dumb/negative on our own team sadly lol
Advanced stats are useful but noisy. They are indirect measurements trying to tease out winning impact from observational data. Points and wins are directly measured.
Does this Mavs team remind you of the finals Cavs teams?
I'm back after the Mavs just won Game 6 to answer the question. YES, Luka contributes to winning.
Bill Simmons been a salty hater....damn the Ringer
Uhh I dont think Luka was the one saying "dont give me a real center, dwight is fine". Thats a long standing mistake of the previous Gm and owner. Nico in his second year got them 2 viable centers and look how the defense has become a strength of the team.
1:43 because u media people dont even know what on/off means
his on/off gets skewed cause he plays staggered minutes with kyrie 99% of the time and had a massive variety of inconcistent lineups throughout the season
If u look at his on/off in the playoffs…its actually been amongst the top in the league 😱😱 What changed? Literally they just stopped staggering his minutes, almost like its very easy to manipulate the stat if u remove context
Non of lukas teams so far in the nba have been playoff worthy
This is the first team he has had that on a roster basis looks like they deserve to be in the playoffs and he has already been to a conference finals
Embiid has yet to make a conference final
Also putting Brunson over luka in terms of impact is insane
There was also a Thinking Basketball video on this topic last month. czcams.com/video/dZfufGaRhHg/video.htmlsi=t49frD_jEijeHbEF
That video aged so poorly that I would avoid at all cost being seen talking about it, let alone sharing it 🤣
@@borislavpopov2548 Did you actually watch it through or are you just a front runner while Luka is hot?
@@temporalsoliton sadly I watched it not sure which is my favorite highlight that Doncic is not engaged on defense while people blow by him or that his lack of off ball movement on offense is actually making it harder for his co-star to operate. I would imagine you agree that the above statements didn't age like fine wine?
@@borislavpopov2548 He usually isn't engaged on defense. Doesn't mean he isn't engaged on defense ever. His impact is better in the playoffs was the conclusion. Taking things out of context to be universal ages well sadly.
@@temporalsoliton not sure about that since the all star break I would argue he is quite engaged and the Mavs had #1 D, so speaking generally for specific thing especially considering the video is 1 month old is just as bad. Not sure why we continue doing this? I believe the video reflects Doncic from the beginning of the year or the past not the current situation and of course I'm biased especially considering the next ThinkingBBall video was "Why the Thunder are ignoring Dallas' shooters (!)" after game 1 I doubt you will convince me
Jalen Brunson is 27
Donovan don't have a KI next to him, but Mitchell isn't a Luka, so what's the point?
How much of the game is Luka off the court for? How long do they have to hold on for, 8 minutes???
#GOMAVS
Luka will be in 2 of the last 3 conference finals how is this even a question. He’s the most accomplished player under 25 years old in the league right now but he’s always unfairly barred by a standard compared to players like Jokic/Giannis when Jokic didn’t even make the playoffs until his 4th or 5th year while Luka made it his second year carrying a horrible roster. Ridiculous narrative
then SGA does not impact winning ever , Embiid does not impact winning too, tatum does not impact winning with this logic no one impacts winning exept people who have rings. even Maxi Kleber impacts game when he play good
This guy told us he was an idiot without explicitly saying it.
following the logic - then you can also say Steve Nash doesn't impact winning and everyone else who hasn't won a ring
Luka should have been MVP but ON/OFF and Kitchen Sink Win Shares ruined it
This is what recency bias looks like
lol JB over Luka? The world is getting crazy.
Why would you even entertain this question yikes whoever you are
Luka gonna win the NBA Championship 🎯
That's not a Dallas Mavs fan.
Video lost all credibility soon as he put brunson over luka when even brunson said luka is better 😂
One bad game and all 🦎Luka haters come out and show their state of mind and best reply for luku will be game 5 and then all will be "yea luka is good player but,... GSA MVP..." again!
Then trade luka if you dont believe on him what a stupid argument
Did AI impact winning?
No one in their right mind doesn’t think Luka impacts winning, if they do then they don’t know basketball
And did he really say Brunson lol I wish we could play in the trash eastern conference
Mavs fan be saying the dumbest shit about their star. Please trade him to the lakers 😂
Lmfaoooo
Naaaawwwwlll😭
Stop taklikg about it. It's like trying to fix Shaqs freethrows. You can"t.
Wtf haha
This is such a dumb take lmao
Kyrie the goat
Obviously only jefferson knows the topic...other two is pathetic!
First 6 years MJ, Lebron, Steph, KD, jokic, Giannis, shaq ALL “winnig players” had 2 or less conf final appearances.
Luka also have 2, but people have this “not winning” like he hasn't shown he can win. You want him to win with starting lineup of dinwiddie-Bullock-Wood-Dwight. Come on bro 😭😭😭
Im a big fan of Luka but.... Zion Doncic Williamson needs to lay off the food man. He's on pace to look like Peter Griffin in a couple years.
Huh he plays 40+ minutes a night while playing almost every game during the regular season. What are you on
He plays almost 40+ minutes every night and he rarely looks tired. Ofc he’s tired after the match but he’s always giving his all. Doesn’t help that he’s mostly resting between matches due to his injuries
Lay off the drugs dude, that shit will take you down a path you don't want to go down
@@jayjayclamps1406 He's always crippled... You blind?
@@xfanatick7972 Has he been healthy? Idiots
As someone who has watched every minute of all 93 mavericks games this year… he does not impact winning nearly as much as you would think. The team often times (not always) looks a lot better on both ends when he sits.
As much as on/off numbers can be misleading, the eye test agrees with them. When he’s not out there the ball moves so beautifully and people play much harder on defense.
It doesn’t mean he’s not great, but to me it’s clear that he causes a lot of issues ALONG with all the great things he brings.
You watched 93 games and still thinks like that. You casual casual.
"he does not impact winning nearly as much as you would think" --> Bro what. They literally have more losses when he's out. Like in his almost 6yrs with the Mavs, stats or ACTUAL FACTS clearly shows Mavs would be a lottery team without him. This is like LeBron carrying Cavs in his early years comparison.
Just because the ball moves better when he sits doesn't equate to more wins. At the end of the day, the goal is to win. Not who had the better ball movement lol
The ball moves more, not better. Learning the difference is key here.
@@randomuruk7230 As a massive Tolkien fan I appreciate your name.
I said the ball move a beautifully, not better, and I think everyone would agree with that. Now this part is my opinion, but I think all ball movement is positive in the long run, even if you’re not always getting the best shot because when guys touch the ball more it’s easier to get in a Rythym. I’ve heard many players talk about how hard it is to shoot when you’re just standing in a corner. I mean look at Luka, most of his career he’s struggled to hit catch and shoot threes because he needs to dribble to get his rythym.
Kryie is better than luka these media people are hilarious
Better than 60% Luka… maybe..
Boy luka is overrated as hell that boy ain't hurt he hit shots it luka magic he missing shot he's hurt kryie on different level than luka
Worse take ive seen in a while… Kyrie has done nothing since cleveland.
What hell has luka done I listen to players in league about kryie not pieces shit like you play basketball my whole life I know what fuck I talking about luka can't play without the ball kryie has no weakness offensive period
luka is not overrated, if you are in denial about how hurt he is cause hes giving you 30-10-10, then you simply need to grow up and admit you dont understand how this is happening.
And anyone who says dumb things like "what has ky done since Cleveland", needs to reevaluate their common sense. It's idiotic reasoning like that why dallas didn't hesitate to get him for chump change.