What do YOU see as being the main differences between Product Design and UX Design? 🧐Should you just focus on the specific needs of the employer / job ad? Share your thoughts and insights with us in the comments below! ↙️ . Can you answer these TWO VITAL questions most UX Designers fail to cover? czcams.com/video/FGdHwI4dhac/video.html
Wait so product design is the making anything you want for your target consumers but you can also have a team to help build your vision of all kinds product and get approve legally, I'm confused I want to build my own business with my own clothes, art, and home decor and you can eat while you shop. So product design you can make anything you want with a team???
This was really awesome, and confidence boosting as a person looking for a job and trying not to get caught up with different titles or avoiding jobs bc of titles. Thank you!
I definitely see that product designers have a more strategic element to their role. I'm a UX designer with a product management background, and I can see product design as (sort of) in between those two. I agree it is up to the needs of each individual role though - great content as always! 😁
Hey Stephan! Great to hear your insights! With that in mind, would you say it leans more toward UX or towards Product Management? Perhaps a series of full role scopes for these titles would be beneficial to our audience here too.
@@AJSmart I would say it leans more towards the UX side of things for sure. In product management you need to have a strong eye on what the business is trying to achieve as well as how the product gets built by developers - it would be interesting to see a video on how product design and product management are different :)
This is very insightful for me as I did not know the difference. The distinction between the two paths of being a designer and a management team is fundamental as various disciplines can contribute to the company's long-term strategy.
Yes, same-same for those roles!! 🤩 Lately in the US I have seen some companies are expecting a focus on visual design capabilities from the Product Designer. I think this is partly because many organizations have made the switch from Projects-to-Products, and in doing so designer titles changed. For example, I know of a very large well-know corporation that changed the title of all their Art Directors to Product Designers over-night when adopting more product minded practices. Their motivation was to help staff stay relevant with industry trends. Someone once told me, if you are doing UX you need to be talking to users. Thoughts there?
Both are the same in that they are both done terribly. Product designers love manuals for people to figure shit out. UX designers love that too. But what UX designers really live for is to change user interfaces, so users are confused and lost trying to use their shit
Product Design is/was industrial design. I studied "Product Design" in university. But now Product Design is also UX Design + UI Design. UX Design is just UX. Not interface. Product is both UX and interface. I am a Product Designer ;)
Hey Vanesa! This is true, and we feel a lot of new starts in the industry struggle with deciphering all these terms. In the end, apply for the job. No product designer is going to sit in an interview and say "Oh wait that's not the role of a product designer you're describing, i'm out".
Well I actually was a UX Designer who became “full stack” as a Product Designer and then took a contract role as a “UX Designer” again and I hated it. I was only allowed to do wireframes and none of the visuals. This was at a very large corporation. So I do think people are starting to pull apart UX (wireframing only) from Product. Hopefully they will or the job descriptions will get more confusing. Even more confusing, in my current company our Product Owners took on the job title “Product Design Managers” meanwhile I’m considered “UX/UI”............ what???
yaaa definitely Product Design belongs to ID, like consumer goods. just look up the meaning of the word Product. UX\IF Design , needs to find their own term ... i dont know like App\Software Design....?
where do you work as a product designer and what do you do usually? also it seems that product design is actually different to industrial design, industrial design is for physical objects.
Love the content! I see this differently. I feel a product designer is a multidisciplinary role like full stack developer. UX design is one vertical within the product design role, just as backend is a vertical within full stack developer role. There's a bit of overlap, but my expectation of hiring a product designer isn't the same as a UX designer. I expect the product designer to execute horizontally and vertically. I expect the UX designer to execute vertically, but have an understanding of their horizontal overlap.
Hey John, thanks! This is a very good way of explaining it! I definitely feel we can expand on this in another video. Thanks for the insights and taking the time to comment too!
Great way to put it! I've heard the term full-stack designer once... What do you think? full-stack designer= full stack developer + product designer?? full stack designer = product designer?
@@johanpricam8690 , I had a similar "misunderstanding" when I set out applying for jobs. I thought Product Designers were more like Product Managers than UX Designers; my assumption was they are more involved in strategy and customer journey for example. I was WRONG. They are definitely still in the design camp, they just tend to be more focused on visual and interaction design and less so on the research side, at least from what I have gathered. A designer is a designer, nothing more, unless the company has a special need for support in that area. This has me questioning my path and contemplating Product Management as I constantly find myself stepping on the toes of my PMs with my eagerness to think big + type A tendencies. 😆
This has come at a great time. After working for a small start up I feel like I crossed product design but that was not my "title" so I'm unsure whether to label myself as a product designer or just apply for product design roles as a UX/UI Designer?!
Hey Ben, thanks for that! We'd recommend just applying for the roles and companies that interest you the most. Cater your skills and portfolio etc to the job ads, and the needs of the specific companies you're applying for. They'll all be different and the titles are fairly arbitrary nowadays.
I think the main distinction that could be made in the case where both these roles were on a team would be that the Product designer is more concerned with establishing the purpose and direction for the product and the UX designer is more concerned with how the product is constructed in respect to the established purpose. Like framing and conception vs building and implementing. Architect vs Engineer. Although this dichotomy is found in a number of roles down the spectrum. Like UX vs Coding. Sometimes the UX designer also codes and other times there are front end and backend developers for that.
Interesting. Product design seems to have a dual meaning. Product design can also be designing physical products similar to industrial design (those two also often are interchangeable)
@@leestons a software product designer does more than just UX/UI though. Also it doesn't make a lot of difference because it's still a job title. Companies will higher product designers for software products
I understood the difference the two while watching Abstract : Art of Design - Ian Spalter, Instagram's Design philosophy and how big impact they have on the world is scary tbh
KEY TAKEAWAYS 🔑 •Focus on the skills you want to develop and execute on. •Have a career path in mind you’d like to embark on and then strategize on that. •Be capable on delivering for the needs & wants of the company you’re applying with your skill set and then some (OVER DELIVER). No doubt though, being new to this field it has been a juggle trying to create a clear focus on what titles and the jargon means. Great breakdown & thank you!! It will be interesting to see how the industry continues to evolve and tracking how jargon fluidly changes over time. BTW MUSIC CHOICE, super funky 🤘🏽🤘🏽⚡️
It seems so crazy that a tiny difference in ao focus of product and UX designers yield a different position, while coming from architecture the architect does everything from practice management to programming and construction administration.
I studied product design at ArtCenter. Can't get a product design job or internship because people added ux/ui in to product design...while school teaches industrial design consist of user research.
Very interesting video! According to me, young vulnerable designer, UX design is actually a component of product design. I would better say that UX/UI design is the same than product design. I still think product design by definition has a broader involvement in the entire product development's process, but in practise I have to say the gap is very little. Keep going with great content!! I'm learning a lot thanks to you :)
Hey Johan, thanks for the comment and for sharing your insights! Agree, John Chan (in the comments above) summed it up beautifully: "I feel a product designer is a multidisciplinary role like full stack developer. UX design is one vertical within the product design role, just as backend is a vertical within full stack developer role. There's a bit of overlap, but my expectation of hiring a product designer isn't the same as a UX designer. I expect the product designer to execute horizontally and vertically. I expect the UX designer to execute vertically, but have an understanding of their horizontal overlap" This is a really nice way to think about it!
Major difference I could understand between UX/UI and Product designer are that Product designers have to think of the Users' and the Product for long term engagements, retention and solutions. Whereas, UX/UI approach only the user aspect as holistic experience of their apps while achieving business goals that may or may not satisfy long term goals.
@@kennethcunningham70 ux is user experience and ye the term has been used for a long time... It dosen't actually have to be Digital products it can even be the user experience of a ketchap bottle(the most common example for ux)
I am a developer. I think from my view / understanding: product design is about establishing the long term philosophy of the product. To build this, along the way you’d need building components such as UI and UX to realise this long-term philosophy and long-term success of the product.
Ux as a title evolved to become more digitally focused....product was always traditionally about PHYSICAL artefacts. That’s historically the difference, not what was mentioned here...
Hey, fair point, we perhaps should have clarified that better you're right. Or given a more set time frame for the periods we were describing as 'Digital Product Design'. Thanks for the heads up!
IMO the difference is that UX are closer to UI so to graphic design, while Product Designer is closer to Product Owner as they care more about scalability and profitable yet great experience products, so they are more into wireframes and strategical planning
the definition is only confusing , because interaction~design stole “product design” from Industrial~design. product designers are... designers who design products... products are things which are manufactured\fabricated in low to high quantities. products are things that you physically use. Interaction~design needs to create their own label. like Software/System( digital commodity ) designers, or at least the very least a Digital Product Designer.
@@TheChristineVan then graphic designers \ chefs \ artists should be labelled `product designers` as well. because ANY asset created by designers\creators is a product of some form. our service and skill produces things which others want. products has always been related to physical objects people can physically use. furniture , vehicles and... products.
@@JorgeGomez-dt3on you didnt read 2 comments above your comment...so is an ARCHITECT a product designer too? so what type of company is eg. MS who sell Windows....? product designers...?
And then there is product/industrial designer which exist a long long time a go like Luigi Colani, Victor Papanek, Pilippe Starck. Which actually doing the same thing as UX designer, but in 3 dimensional product. Then everything become more confusing.....LOL. I think u guys should talk to World Design Organization (WDO) about this confusing terms. It's become like banking industry, whos made up confusing term intentionally to make people confuse what their sign in for.
From the terminology point of view, I'm not sure if UX designers are designing ''The Experience'' when they do not visually design and deliver the ''final state of the product''. It's actually the pre-experience, the planning. What people actually experience is the final polished outcome. I think the terminologies are a bit undefined / fuzzy in our industry. What we call user experience today is actually the prototype, the model. Not the experience. Experience is much more sentimental, its a byproduct thats produced by people based on good decisions, aesthethics, feedbacks and all the other factors put together.
Hey Niklas! The video doesn't exist yet, but it is covered off in our Free UX email course. You can link to it here: workshopper.com/free-ux-course It's covered off in detail on day 1 of the course! It also forms the two progression tracks for employees here at AJS! We'll try to get it covered off in a video soon!
Sure, they are both the same in our world. From an HR and Recruitment perspective, there is a problem, tho. If the recruitment document says: UX Designer, then, they will search on LinkedIn for people that have UX Designer as a title. And the reverse applies. They will miss completely candidates that are eligible for the job but have the other title. So, what's better? To recommend yourself as a UX or Product Designer?
this is like in scooby doo: "-Let's see who this UX Designer really is.. -It's Product Designer :O -And I might have gotten away with it" :)) Awesome video, thanks for the explanation!
Hey Edward, just like we mentioned in the video: does the title REALLY matter? We honestly don't think so :) Call it what you may, the thing that really matters is your skillset!
Product design is a rebranding of a UX design, time passing you have to come with something new, a facelift ...I wonder which will be the new title in a few years...interaction guru maybe :)))
@@AJSmart Yeah seems interesting, good idea, I saw the path for the future, I like you guys and I follow you for a year since I started to study UX on IDF ... and I really want to learn more from you and maybe in the future to collaborate.
Personas, usability testing, experience maps, etc. However, I agree that nobody hires or functions that strictly, so I'm just being pedantic. But I would expect a ux designer to be more affluent in user research, and a product designer to be more of a full stack designer inclusive of user research. A traditional ux approach is very heavy on documentation and in a large waterfall organization, a ux designer could spend all their time doing that. A product designer is better suited for a lean ux approach, and would be ideal for small agile teams. If I need a button, I'm gonna ask a product designer. If I need a persona, I'm gonna ask a ux designer.
How about a mix of design and engineering roles? Is that feasible or recommended? I'm a front end developer really into UI and UX design, pretty open to go through the design thinking process, designing high fidelity UI and also implement them when the product is a web product (HTML, CSS, JS, React and other libraries) I feel that there is some prejudice towards these general roles, as if colleagues may believe I am confused about my career path. But I can assure I'm interested in being a generalist, able to bridge many gaps between teams of those areas.
You won't find too many generalist roles in the corporate world aside from maybe startups. There's basically a correlation between company size and how specialized each role is. In fact, "Product Designer" might be the most generalist a role gets in the product space, and that role basically never involves direct development.
Hi fellow UX Unicorn. It's basically an upcoming role usually named UX Engineer or Design Systems Engineer, "commonly" in charge of implementing design systems. There are roles like that. Just Google, UX Engineer and you will find what you wanted to see. ;)
Ooof.... I’ve been working as a UX and UI designer (am I a Product designer?) for 4 years now and I can’t break €40,000 /yr. I live in Stockholm Sweden.... its not that far from Berlin. Maybe I should relocate. :P
WRONG, Product Design = Industrial Design...why are people nowadays calling UX/UI Design product design? That is just wrong. But Product Design / Industrial Design can include UX UI, its about the whole product as an object and user experience
@Leestons, I think digital products are products.. like you mentioned; the apps, softwares, web apps etc..offer some sort of digital services to you right? Online booking, instant messaging, delivery services….. right?
I'm heading for Product Design and Management MSc[ENG] in the fall and my goal is to be a product manager at the end of my master's program. What advice do you have for me?
Hey Benzo, we charge in 4 week blocks, and run Design Sprints with clients, along with a host of other workshops and trainings. We tend to charge based on the value delivered and not the size of the clients. Are you looking at creating an hourly / weekly rate for your billings? We'd recommend creating some very high value deliverables, packages work really well for this, and you can sell them in blocks!
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This channel really casts UX in a bad light. It really seems all UX people are doing is discussing the differences between all these terms and think about how to get promoted. It doesn't really help that you start redefining things which are already defined. If you don't agree with existing definitions, then please discuss them and suggest changes, but don't just base your own definitions on job postings written by people who don't have a clue. Everyone else is already confused sufficiently.
Hey Steffen, thanks for the feedback, we appreciate open discussion like this. We'd have to disagree though. We're not trying to paint UX in a bad light, but we get asked about the industry and the best way to get started in it, on a daily basis. As an agency who hires UX Designers and who puts out loads of free content on ux career progression, and getting started in this industry, we really value being able to analyse not only the questions we get daily from our audience, but also the traits and specs we see coming from the big tech companies, and what they look for in designers. This usually shapes the wider industry going forward, and as a result the interests of our audience. Sorry if this video didn't land with you though, is there something we could record that would help you out in some way? Or do you have feedback on a different angle we could take with this?
It’s very important to note that you can have great UX but still not achieve a product you profit from, which is essentially not a good product design - and this is where product designer steps in. Without the product, there is no product design, while UX will still exist, in any environment, be it a path in a park or app on your phone.
The more UX/UI get blended in these CZcams videos, UX/Product designers are glorified UI designers who just sprinkle some very lite UCD thinking just cause they storyboard and develop task flows. That’s about the extent of it.
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Wait so product design is the making anything you want for your target consumers but you can also have a team to help build your vision of all kinds product and get approve legally, I'm confused I want to build my own business with my own clothes, art, and home decor and you can eat while you shop. So product design you can make anything you want with a team???
@BowlofindoMNo I have started a UX/ UI bootcamp when I turned 30.
This was really awesome, and confidence boosting as a person looking for a job and trying not to get caught up with different titles or avoiding jobs bc of titles. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I definitely see that product designers have a more strategic element to their role. I'm a UX designer with a product management background, and I can see product design as (sort of) in between those two. I agree it is up to the needs of each individual role though - great content as always! 😁
Hey Stephan! Great to hear your insights! With that in mind, would you say it leans more toward UX or towards Product Management? Perhaps a series of full role scopes for these titles would be beneficial to our audience here too.
@@AJSmart I would say it leans more towards the UX side of things for sure. In product management you need to have a strong eye on what the business is trying to achieve as well as how the product gets built by developers - it would be interesting to see a video on how product design and product management are different :)
This is very insightful for me as I did not know the difference. The distinction between the two paths of being a designer and a management team is fundamental as various disciplines can contribute to the company's long-term strategy.
Great video and explanation, it's really easy to listen to Anastasia and the outtakes are also very cute!
Yes, same-same for those roles!! 🤩
Lately in the US I have seen some companies are expecting a focus on visual design capabilities from the Product Designer. I think this is partly because many organizations have made the switch from Projects-to-Products, and in doing so designer titles changed. For example, I know of a very large well-know corporation that changed the title of all their Art Directors to Product Designers over-night when adopting more product minded practices. Their motivation was to help staff stay relevant with industry trends.
Someone once told me, if you are doing UX you need to be talking to users. Thoughts there?
Both are the same in that they are both done terribly.
Product designers love manuals for people to figure shit out.
UX designers love that too. But what UX designers really live for is to change user interfaces, so users are confused and lost trying to use their shit
Product Design is/was industrial design. I studied "Product Design" in university.
But now Product Design is also UX Design + UI Design.
UX Design is just UX. Not interface. Product is both UX and interface.
I am a Product Designer ;)
Hey Vanesa! This is true, and we feel a lot of new starts in the industry struggle with deciphering all these terms. In the end, apply for the job. No product designer is going to sit in an interview and say "Oh wait that's not the role of a product designer you're describing, i'm out".
Well I actually was a UX Designer who became “full stack” as a Product Designer and then took a contract role as a “UX Designer” again and I hated it. I was only allowed to do wireframes and none of the visuals. This was at a very large corporation. So I do think people are starting to pull apart UX (wireframing only) from Product. Hopefully they will or the job descriptions will get more confusing.
Even more confusing, in my current company our Product Owners took on the job title “Product Design Managers” meanwhile I’m considered “UX/UI”............ what???
yaaa definitely Product Design belongs to ID, like consumer goods. just look up the meaning of the word Product.
UX\IF Design , needs to find their own term ... i dont know like App\Software Design....?
you WERE a product designer , now you are a OS\program designer ;)
where do you work as a product designer and what do you do usually? also it seems that product design is actually different to industrial design, industrial design is for physical objects.
Love the content! I see this differently. I feel a product designer is a multidisciplinary role like full stack developer. UX design is one vertical within the product design role, just as backend is a vertical within full stack developer role. There's a bit of overlap, but my expectation of hiring a product designer isn't the same as a UX designer.
I expect the product designer to execute horizontally and vertically. I expect the UX designer to execute vertically, but have an understanding of their horizontal overlap.
Hey John, thanks! This is a very good way of explaining it! I definitely feel we can expand on this in another video. Thanks for the insights and taking the time to comment too!
Great way to put it! I've heard the term full-stack designer once... What do you think? full-stack designer= full stack developer + product designer?? full stack designer = product designer?
What's wrong with UI/UX Designer name? It has both horizontal and vertical as well.
@@johanpricam8690 , I had a similar "misunderstanding" when I set out applying for jobs. I thought Product Designers were more like Product Managers than UX Designers; my assumption was they are more involved in strategy and customer journey for example. I was WRONG. They are definitely still in the design camp, they just tend to be more focused on visual and interaction design and less so on the research side, at least from what I have gathered. A designer is a designer, nothing more, unless the company has a special need for support in that area. This has me questioning my path and contemplating Product Management as I constantly find myself stepping on the toes of my PMs with my eagerness to think big + type A tendencies. 😆
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This was a really informative video, thank you! There is certainly some overlap between both and you did a great job clarifying the distinctions!
Glad you enjoyed it!
When is your portfolio review video is coming?? Desprately waiting for it
Hey, we're filming it this week! We should have a portfolio overview video out next week though. Double portfolio fun!
Great video. Sums up a complex and messy situation really succinctly. Thanks for sharing this important message!
Even more confusing is that industrial design was also referred to as product design.
This has come at a great time. After working for a small start up I feel like I crossed product design but that was not my "title" so I'm unsure whether to label myself as a product designer or just apply for product design roles as a UX/UI Designer?!
Hey Ben, thanks for that! We'd recommend just applying for the roles and companies that interest you the most. Cater your skills and portfolio etc to the job ads, and the needs of the specific companies you're applying for. They'll all be different and the titles are fairly arbitrary nowadays.
I think the main distinction that could be made in the case where both these roles were on a team would be that the Product designer is more concerned with establishing the purpose and direction for the product and the UX designer is more concerned with how the product is constructed in respect to the established purpose. Like framing and conception vs building and implementing. Architect vs Engineer. Although this dichotomy is found in a number of roles down the spectrum. Like UX vs Coding. Sometimes the UX designer also codes and other times there are front end and backend developers for that.
Interesting. Product design seems to have a dual meaning. Product design can also be designing physical products similar to industrial design (those two also often are interchangeable)
It only means designing physical products. Then UX/UI designers started calling them product designers.
@@leestons a software product designer does more than just UX/UI though. Also it doesn't make a lot of difference because it's still a job title. Companies will higher product designers for software products
I understood the difference the two while watching Abstract : Art of Design - Ian Spalter, Instagram's Design philosophy and how big impact they have on the world is scary tbh
That's a great series! What were your main takeaways relating to UX?
KEY TAKEAWAYS 🔑
•Focus on the skills you want to develop and execute on.
•Have a career path in mind you’d like to embark on and then strategize on that.
•Be capable on delivering for the needs & wants of the company you’re applying with your skill set and then some (OVER DELIVER).
No doubt though, being new to this field it has been a juggle trying to create a clear focus on what titles and the jargon means. Great breakdown & thank you!!
It will be interesting to see how the industry continues to evolve and tracking how jargon fluidly changes over time. BTW MUSIC CHOICE, super funky
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Thanks Aleck! Yeh, that was exactly what we wanted folks to leave this video with! Glad you enjoyed the music too! Nice to have it back in our videos!
Your voice is so calming I can listen to you all day
Same!!❤️👂🏼 She'd make the best yoga teacher or story time reader
It seems so crazy that a tiny difference in ao focus of product and UX designers yield a different position, while coming from architecture the architect does everything from practice management to programming and construction administration.
I studied product design at ArtCenter. Can't get a product design job or internship because people added ux/ui in to product design...while school teaches industrial design consist of user research.
I like how people just add/change the definition of your major when you about to graduate, Nicejob
Very interesting video! According to me, young vulnerable designer, UX design is actually a component of product design. I would better say that UX/UI design is the same than product design. I still think product design by definition has a broader involvement in the entire product development's process, but in practise I have to say the gap is very little. Keep going with great content!! I'm learning a lot thanks to you :)
Hey Johan, thanks for the comment and for sharing your insights! Agree, John Chan (in the comments above) summed it up beautifully:
"I feel a product designer is a multidisciplinary role like full stack developer. UX design is one vertical within the product design role, just as backend is a vertical within full stack developer role. There's a bit of overlap, but my expectation of hiring a product designer isn't the same as a UX designer.
I expect the product designer to execute horizontally and vertically. I expect the UX designer to execute vertically, but have an understanding of their horizontal overlap"
This is a really nice way to think about it!
Major difference I could understand between UX/UI and Product designer are that Product designers have to think of the Users' and the Product for long term engagements, retention and solutions. Whereas, UX/UI approach only the user aspect as holistic experience of their apps while achieving business goals that may or may not satisfy long term goals.
Thank you for this video. Love the music too it's dope for popping.
Cheers! Nice Funky selection. UX = Funk!
I totally agree, they're Tha exact same thing. I'm gonna write an article on medium about it
Hey, can you please let me know the bg music you used in the ‘Titles’ section
“5+yrs of experience” lol 😒
She said it's been around for decades ....so html and css and jscript are the original ux designers?????
Lmao
@@kennethcunningham70 ux is user experience and ye the term has been used for a long time... It dosen't actually have to be Digital products it can even be the user experience of a ketchap bottle(the most common example for ux)
I am a developer. I think from my view / understanding: product design is about establishing the long term philosophy of the product. To build this, along the way you’d need building components such as UI and UX to realise this long-term philosophy and long-term success of the product.
Ux as a title evolved to become more digitally focused....product was always traditionally about PHYSICAL artefacts. That’s historically the difference, not what was mentioned here...
Hey, fair point, we perhaps should have clarified that better you're right. Or given a more set time frame for the periods we were describing as 'Digital Product Design'. Thanks for the heads up!
IMO the difference is that UX are closer to UI so to graphic design, while Product Designer is closer to Product Owner as they care more about scalability and profitable yet great experience products, so they are more into wireframes and strategical planning
Ой как здорово своих видеть😊🌸🌸🌸 very interesting, thanks Ana
the definition is only confusing , because interaction~design stole “product design” from Industrial~design.
product designers are... designers who design products... products are things which are manufactured\fabricated in low to high quantities. products are things that you physically use.
Interaction~design needs to create their own label. like Software/System( digital commodity ) designers, or at least the very least a Digital Product Designer.
Can't we use industrial designers? Technical it is a "digital" product
@@TheChristineVan then graphic designers \ chefs \ artists should be labelled `product designers` as well. because ANY asset created by designers\creators is a product of some form. our service and skill produces things which others want.
products has always been related to physical objects people can physically use. furniture , vehicles and... products.
Interaction design already has UI/UX, some employers stupidly put Product designer :'(
A product can also be digital and be used digitally
@@JorgeGomez-dt3on you didnt read 2 comments above your comment...so is an ARCHITECT a product designer too? so what type of company is eg. MS who sell Windows....? product designers...?
Graphic designer -> Web designer -> UI designer -> UX designer -> Product designer -> Woodworker
UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer -> UX Designer -> Product Designer ->
Ui designers are apps and web interface designers…prior to ux design which is a pre design stage and pre analysis of these digital products
You guys are the best! Thanks again for another classic video
Thanks so much Andre! That means a lot!
And then there is product/industrial designer which exist a long long time a go like Luigi Colani, Victor Papanek, Pilippe Starck. Which actually doing the same thing as UX designer, but in 3 dimensional product. Then everything become more confusing.....LOL. I think u guys should talk to World Design Organization (WDO) about this confusing terms. It's become like banking industry, whos made up confusing term intentionally to make people confuse what their sign in for.
Haha I know what you mean!
From the terminology point of view, I'm not sure if UX designers are designing ''The Experience'' when they do not visually design and deliver the ''final state of the product''. It's actually the pre-experience, the planning. What people actually experience is the final polished outcome. I think the terminologies are a bit undefined / fuzzy in our industry. What we call user experience today is actually the prototype, the model. Not the experience. Experience is much more sentimental, its a byproduct thats produced by people based on good decisions, aesthethics, feedbacks and all the other factors put together.
Nice video! You mentioned the different paths of specializing vs. the generalized route - does that video exist already?
Cheers
Hey Niklas! The video doesn't exist yet, but it is covered off in our Free UX email course. You can link to it here: workshopper.com/free-ux-course It's covered off in detail on day 1 of the course! It also forms the two progression tracks for employees here at AJS! We'll try to get it covered off in a video soon!
Your cloth hierarchy Huge😊😊
Sure, they are both the same in our world. From an HR and Recruitment perspective, there is a problem, tho. If the recruitment document says: UX Designer, then, they will search on LinkedIn for people that have UX Designer as a title. And the reverse applies. They will miss completely candidates that are eligible for the job but have the other title. So, what's better? To recommend yourself as a UX or Product Designer?
this is like in scooby doo:
"-Let's see who this UX Designer really is..
-It's Product Designer :O
-And I might have gotten away with it" :))
Awesome video, thanks for the explanation!
Congratulations beautiful content, as a product designer I often see this confusion even on the part of companies.👍
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Would you say a product designer is a full stack designer combined with UI/UX design ?
Sounds like it to me as well lol
How about someone who constantly thinks through both of these pairs of shoes. Call it maybe a "UX Product Designer"? Or "UX|Product Designer"?
Hey Edward, just like we mentioned in the video: does the title REALLY matter? We honestly don't think so :) Call it what you may, the thing that really matters is your skillset!
Just a side note I love your accent!!
Product design is a rebranding of a UX design, time passing you have to come with something new, a facelift ...I wonder which will be the new title in a few years...interaction guru maybe :)))
Conversation designer caught our eye recently. But with the rise of Voice and AR, it actually makes some sense...
@@AJSmart Yeah seems interesting, good idea, I saw the path for the future, I like you guys and I follow you for a year since I started to study UX on IDF ... and I really want to learn more from you and maybe in the future to collaborate.
How can it be a rebranding if it is a way older term?
@@Jan123. exactly my thought
Product Designers design products from idea to handoff, UX Designers design documentation.
Hey, what kind of documentation?
Personas, usability testing, experience maps, etc. However, I agree that nobody hires or functions that strictly, so I'm just being pedantic. But I would expect a ux designer to be more affluent in user research, and a product designer to be more of a full stack designer inclusive of user research. A traditional ux approach is very heavy on documentation and in a large waterfall organization, a ux designer could spend all their time doing that. A product designer is better suited for a lean ux approach, and would be ideal for small agile teams. If I need a button, I'm gonna ask a product designer. If I need a persona, I'm gonna ask a ux designer.
How about a mix of design and engineering roles? Is that feasible or recommended?
I'm a front end developer really into UI and UX design, pretty open to go through the design thinking process, designing high fidelity UI and also implement them when the product is a web product (HTML, CSS, JS, React and other libraries)
I feel that there is some prejudice towards these general roles, as if colleagues may believe I am confused about my career path. But I can assure I'm interested in being a generalist, able to bridge many gaps between teams of those areas.
You won't find too many generalist roles in the corporate world aside from maybe startups. There's basically a correlation between company size and how specialized each role is. In fact, "Product Designer" might be the most generalist a role gets in the product space, and that role basically never involves direct development.
Hi fellow UX Unicorn. It's basically an upcoming role usually named UX Engineer or Design Systems Engineer, "commonly" in charge of implementing design systems. There are roles like that. Just Google, UX Engineer and you will find what you wanted to see. ;)
UX/UI Engineer or UX Engineer
What about "Experience Designer"?? This is my title currently. Im personally more on the side of UX or Product designer... but curious your thoughts!
Hey Kate, that's an interesting one. can you give us some more details on your day to day? And perhaps examples of deliverables?
to save time, its the same thing, ux design comes under product design, ux design is just more specific.
Ooof.... I’ve been working as a UX and UI designer (am I a Product designer?) for 4 years now and I can’t break €40,000 /yr. I live in Stockholm Sweden.... its not that far from Berlin. Maybe I should relocate. :P
So where does a Service Designer fit in to this landscape?
This is completely dependent upon a given companies definition.
Alrighty
thanks....
WRONG, Product Design = Industrial Design...why are people nowadays calling UX/UI Design product design? That is just wrong. But Product Design / Industrial Design can include UX UI, its about the whole product as an object and user experience
Because digital products are products too?
@@AJSmart They are apps, websites, software. Not products.
@Leestons, I think digital products are products.. like you mentioned; the apps, softwares, web apps etc..offer some sort of digital services to you right? Online booking, instant messaging, delivery services….. right?
I'm heading for Product Design and Management MSc[ENG] in the fall and my goal is to be a product manager at the end of my master's program. What advice do you have for me?
Hello! which is the best platform to look for a UX Design Job in europe?
LinkedIn jobs / Indeed.com / and Facebook!
@@AJSmart thank you guys! u r awesome
Really love the clock! Where did you get that?
It's a Time Timer (Great name, I know) you can get one on Amazon and anywhere on google now :)
Hey! It's a time timer. They're quite cute, but NOT the most practical (Batteries are a nightmare to change) etc.
@@chibiquatre Spot on!
Hey Ana, i want to start a ux firm but in Africa. Just for a rough idea, how much do you charge small & large companies? Thanks.
Hey Benzo, we charge in 4 week blocks, and run Design Sprints with clients, along with a host of other workshops and trainings. We tend to charge based on the value delivered and not the size of the clients. Are you looking at creating an hourly / weekly rate for your billings? We'd recommend creating some very high value deliverables, packages work really well for this, and you can sell them in blocks!
@@AJSmart Hey, thanks for getting back to me. Was thinking a weeky charge. If you dont mind me asking, what packages and deliverables are these?
Currently I am working in front end web development., JavaScript,react etc ... should I go for Product Design or UX designing ???
Hi guys! Could someone in the community
add subtitles please? The auto-generated translation is very bad.
Hey Leonardo! We'll work on that, sorry! We'll get a transcription sorted asap! Thanks for the heads up!
Is product design belongs to s/w job??
How that clock works ?
I'd define UX design as a branch of Product Design.
Hey guys. Can anybody recommend me plz the community of the European designers?
And what's the difference between product design and industrial design? 😵
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Anyone else distracted by the clock?
What clock?!
AJ&Smart on the desk the black one with the red timer
it's the same thing
This channel really casts UX in a bad light. It really seems all UX people are doing is discussing the differences between all these terms and think about how to get promoted. It doesn't really help that you start redefining things which are already defined. If you don't agree with existing definitions, then please discuss them and suggest changes, but don't just base your own definitions on job postings written by people who don't have a clue. Everyone else is already confused sufficiently.
Hey Steffen, thanks for the feedback, we appreciate open discussion like this. We'd have to disagree though. We're not trying to paint UX in a bad light, but we get asked about the industry and the best way to get started in it, on a daily basis.
As an agency who hires UX Designers and who puts out loads of free content on ux career progression, and getting started in this industry, we really value being able to analyse not only the questions we get daily from our audience, but also the traits and specs we see coming from the big tech companies, and what they look for in designers.
This usually shapes the wider industry going forward, and as a result the interests of our audience. Sorry if this video didn't land with you though, is there something we could record that would help you out in some way? Or do you have feedback on a different angle we could take with this?
It’s very important to note that you can have great UX but still not achieve a product you profit from, which is essentially not a good product design - and this is where product designer steps in. Without the product, there is no product design, while UX will still exist, in any environment, be it a path in a park or app on your phone.
Real product designer hate this term
Terminology in Digital world is a complete mess.
The more UX/UI get blended in these CZcams videos, UX/Product designers are glorified UI designers who just sprinkle some very lite UCD thinking just cause they storyboard and develop task flows. That’s about the extent of it.
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Ahahahahahahha! We love when the love bots get in touch! Speaking of 'Product Designers...' HEY JONAS!
All I know is that UX designers are terrible
awwwwww. how come?
@@AJSmart it’s because you people lack empathy. You don’t put yourself into the mindset of a user who doesn’t know your product as well as you.
It would be good VIDEO DESIGN if you avoided the snark and rehash of jargon and gobbledegook.