What Would Stoner Do? (WWSD) Rethinking the AR15 in 2017 - Introduction
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- We're frequently asked what we think the best AR15 build should be and, upon thinking about it, we realized no one was doing it the way we would if we did..so we did it ourselves.
By aggregating parts from a multitude of vendors we've come up with an interesting approach to what we think the AR15 could, and should have been as it was modernized and "improved".
In other words, in 2017, What Would Stoner Do?
This video is the introduction to the concept.
We plan to have a lot of content around this project: flushing it out, competing with it, training with it, and explaining every individual bit, piece and detail in depth!
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Sometimes, late at night, when no one else is around, I tap the forward assist.
I just think they're neat
🤣
Just gotta learn how to use em', my technique is 2 fingers, counterclockwise.
Love the free range, locally sourced, organic microphone stand.
Cruelty free! ~Karl
As I read this he bumped the branch.
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17:17 - 17:22
Now I'm just picturing a battlefield scenario where some troops are hunkered down in some forsaken urban wasteland. A stray bullet flies by and hits one of the soldiers' optics. He does a bewildered double take, exchanges a few glances with his buddies, pops off the damaged optic and throws it off to the side, before promptly producing a fresh one from his pouch to replace it with; all without uttering a word.
Watching this in late April 2020, after watching a bunch of later WWSD videos, really shows how far the project has come, while still being true to the original concept. You guys really have come along way with this project, im really impressed.
Function over form. And when a machine is designed to work properly, it is beautiful in and of itself. There is beauty in function.
This is largely true for tools and weapons, but not for architecture: Soviet Eastern Block square, grey, concrete-slab, apartment buildings are very functional and also soul crushingly ugly.
@@ArcherWarhound I suppose you can count it's industrial aesthetic?
And in simplicity
I like the distinction Karl makes between left-handed and "normal" :)
normal is sort of the term it can be used here, as righthandedness is what most things are designed around
I want one.
Seriously, this may be how I start my first AR build when my budget allows. For now I'm just budgeting $1 per month to keep the great content coming.
DMR Rifle - designated marksmen rifle rifle
I'm just going to the ATM machine to get some cash money to buy my DMR rifle, ok seeya bye.
You beat me to it. ;)
DMRR.... Rifle
more like "DMR" rifle, DMR is the term, rifle is what it is.
ofc if you spell it out that way, it'll look like it's redundant
Seraph SVD Dragunov or Sniper Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963 Dragunov
"Mine has a retched eticle." Caught that, lol.
Must be one of PAs new smart eticle. Those guys are smart
Maybe in a decade we could have a "What would Kalashnikov do?" series for the 80th anniversary of the AK's adoption.
I mean what he would do is just not make the rifle. He has gone on record saying he deeply regrets designing something that has caused so many deaths :/
@@sword7166 I would've asked him what it was he thought he was designing then, pretty sure he knew what he was doing from the get go, regret at this stage is an effort in futility.
HSS Revenir In that regard, I think I have an idea; the original AK-47 mission is a general-purpose fully automatic rifle for the infantryman, tuned towards machine gun capability from how the assault rifle was understood to be used from the StG-44's example. In Kalashnikov's original words, "I was a soldier, and I created a machine gun for a soldier."
Durability, stability and reliability seem like the watchwords, and ergonomics would be too - this should be used the way an infantryman would expect to use it in battle.
Build an AR most likely
He'd likely had made it from carbon fiber. After all, he was going for an incredibly lightweight but strong material that was very modern.
Carbon fiber today, is what aluminum was in the 1950's.
Ian goes from England to Arizona in just a few hours ;)
Just realized why there was a tree branch in between you guys is for mounting the mic.
Very compelling builds
You guys led me to the GWACS lower. Best purchase I ever made. Forgotten Weapons led me to The Great War channel. Thank you.
The idea of a solar-powered optic is such a simple, obvious thing that I'm kicking myself for not coming up with it myself. What are the dimensions of the actual solar panel, and where is it located? I imagine you'd get away with something very small and the obvious place is on top, but you find solar panels in surprising places sometimes.
It's right on the top www.amazon.com/HOLOSUN-HS403C-Solar-Power-Micro/dp/B00U2KMVCI
I'm excited for this series of videos! I just built an SBR with a faxon barrel and love it! Thanks for introducing the company to me. That little 10.5" barrel is awesome and more accurate than I am (sub 1" group at 50yrds with a 2 moa red dot optic)!!! Keep up the awesome content! I'm looking at my finances now to become a patrion and I also just want you to know that I support not only your content but your decision to solely rely on us for your funding. You guys are by far my favorite gun channel.
This is the only channel to get me excited about an AR video (series).
Really looking forward to this series! I think the two of you are uniquely positioned and qualified to do this. I think this is going to be a definitive and very influential series when you're done.
I am so looking forward to seeing the rest of this series! Thanks for keeping awesome content rolling.
Really looking forward to seeing the deep dives. Keep up the good work, guys!
I have been so excited for this video! I love what y'all do and will be signing up for patreon this evening. Thank you.
Been looking forward to this for years! From ya'lls first Q&A vid, I was hoping you'd do this. Keep up the good work!
Looking forward for more AR stuff. Thanks for a video!
Only two points to mention:
1. Iron sights. Of course, bullet hit the scope, is way too rare, but you can drop rifle or accidently bump it against something. Small folding irons would help and not so much additional weight.
2. If you're talking about 'general issue' infantry rifle, adjustable buttstock would be a benefit. Different size soldiers, vests, gear, personal prefernces...
Anyway, excellent video, keep up a good work!
It's shameful how much I'm geeking out over this series.
you two have good chemistry and are pretty articulate at explaining your thoughts. good work
Love the Idea would add a few things for the "basic" infantrymen 1. PEQ 16 or other lighter variants (totally understandable not to have because of cost) 2. A damn good sling (vickers sling we love it in the Corps.) The capabilities of the PEQ gives to the infantrymen to fight at night can not be understated. Also the RCO is an amazing optic interested to see if you have found anything as good that's lightweight. Love this idea and wish it the Best!
Post MORE! Im planning to build my first AR off of your opinions, and Im so anxious to see the mentality and rationality behind these builds.
I've been waiting for this video series since you guys hinted at it!
What would Stoner do today - a great idea for a video series. Looking forward to it!
One of you needs to be wearing a bow tie, though. :)
Watching ForgottenWeapons and InRangeTV ofcourse.
Kawaiiser Wilhelm II Von Hohenzollern lamest joke I'll read today
Looking forward to the series, this is good timing. I have many AR builds that are just a bunch of parts I picked up because of a sale. Now it's time to make sense of these builds! Thanks guys
So glad you guys are doing an AR content series! I cannot wait!
OMG I can't wait. I am so excited for this series!
If I was limited to just one channel on CZcams your channel would be the one I would choose (forgotten weapons would be my second choice). Absolutely fantastic, interesting and inspirational work. Thank you!
"Retched Eticle"
-Ian 2017
The fact that the military is still using the basic AR design, albeit modified/updated, from six decades back is amazing!
I'm glad you guys decided to roll with a fixed power optics, advantage being once you learn your distances, you simply sight and shoot.
Great video, can't wait to see the upcoming series!
This is my favorite video series idea I've seen in a very long time.
Brilliant idea! Thanks for all these awesome vids guys. Much appreciated!
Brilliant idea for a video series, Your creativity is second only to Eugene Stoner himself!
I've been saving up for the Faxon Barrel like the one on your door kicker. This video series has me really excited. Thanks!!!
You guys gotta slow your roll with the high quality content! I only have so much time in the day to watch awesome stuff.
In all seriousness, great vid and I'm really looking forward to more in this series. Glad to finally see some of it after you guys teased it a bit.
great concept guys, I'm looking forward to the rest of the videos
16:16 Primary Arms and those "Retched Eticles" - next level stuff! Great vid guys. Very interesting choices - looking forward to the POI shift tests.
As someone about to start a new build, I look forward to the rest of this series.
I'm excited for this video series, super creative idea guys this is gonna be awesome.
I am very excited for this series! I am so happy to have stumbled upon Inrange! I have been watching Forgotten Weapons for years. Both are gearhead firearm channels. I love it!
Really cool concept guys. I recently built an AR with similar goals. Looking forward to the next vids!
YESSS! Great video. I can't wait for more of this series.
The real reason for iron sights to back up the optics in my opinion is not the ever so slight chance that the optic gets hit by a bullet but the extremely much more common scenario when the gun gets dropped and the optic is either broken or shifted as to make it useless. No amount of modern manufacturing can guarantee that dropping the gun will never cause problems and it would be foolish to assume that it would never happen in combat when issuing weapons. C-Mon guys.
Davis King they're posers. don't expect too much.
They aren't posers, they just aren't military. There are a number of things that wouldn't fly on a combat rifle that work just fine for a home defense or even law enforcement setup. Also, Karl and Ian both pointed out that this is the Mk 1 of the WWSD, the prototype, not the final evolution.
@Tanner Clark correct me if I'm wrong, but neither ACOG had a qr mount, right? I was M16A2 era so I wouldn't know. If the shooter can remove the broken optic flip up BUS can be useful. Otherwise they are extra weight.
cool video canny wait to see the rest. Very interesting topic a big thumbs up
PA makes some of my favorite budget optics and the ACSS is hands-down the best BDC reticle on the market today, but the 2.5x Prism was a big let down for me. The reticle goes off the path of the standard ACSS where the holds are marked with a single dot as opposed to the standard solid vertical line with horizontal lines for holds. The dots on the 2.5x are VERY tough to see against almost all terrain and targets. The 3x, which has the standard ACSS style reticle is the one to go with here assuming you would like to stick with a low power optic in this price range. Great optic for the price and very hard to beat.
AR15 MythBusters? Sounds like an interesting series.
Coming back and watching this in 2022 is really cool. Very very glad Karl and Ian have inquisitive minds and glad that this came into fruition. I have a CDR and it is, by far, my favorite rifle in regards to just general use and whatnot. It's hard to NOT be impressed with it all
Great idea for a series; looking forward to it.
This looks excellent!! I am ready for these videos!!!
I'm excited for this project! The Falkor Dracos and the Proof research carbon fiber barrels both seem like they're the future imo. Maybe you will talk about that more in the deep dive for the barrel.
Great concept for a series.
Super excited guys!
You two are a great team
This is an exciting project! You guys are great!
Awesome video cant wait for the next one! Keep up the good work!
wretched etticle. love it. Ian and his big words.
Great Idea! Thanks guys. Looking forward to this.
I'm really looking forward to the videos series on this!
Exciting project. Looking forward to hearing about the triggers.
Looking forward to watching the rest of this series, especially how the carbon bits hold up (those polymer lowers seem pretty indestructible though!)
excited for this series
I'm stoaked for this series!
I came back to re-watch this, and it is pretty interesting to see how this project evolved and is now even being reignited to produce WWSD 2020. It's incredible to see especially how Ian's rifle evolved, as it certainly had the most obvious changes, but even to see how Karl's evolved as well, just with less obvious appearance differences. It certainly speaks to the versatility of the AR15 platform. Now with WWSD 2020, I hope to finally build my own WWSD rifle.
really appreciate this. want to build my own AR but in an over saturated market its hard to know where to start. for someone whose just been around hunting rifles for 20+ years and looking for new experience, this is exciting to see.
cant wait fr the series. sounds incredibly interesting.
Cant wait for the series to continue.
You are the best nerds there is! GUN NERDS! I learn so much from you guys! Keep up the good work!
I'm not an ar guy, I'll admit I like steel and wood guns. after watching your channel for awhile now, when money allows, up be looking at putting together one. I have a feeling it will have close to yours. through all the videos, your ideas have been very close to many of my own. i look forward to much more. keep up the good work.
Another great video gentlemen
You're talking about your scope getting hit by a bullet, but what about just dropping the gun on it? Are you 100% confident that it can survive such a fall and are you willing to bet your life on it? Back-up irons are literally about 100 grams and would provide a fail-safe in a possible situation.
andrewlitvinov My rifle fell off of a shooting table (about 4' height) onto concrete and landed solely on the Eotech, dented the hood pretty bad but it saved the optic. I called Eotech to buy a new one and they sent it for free. A good sight with great protection and excellent customer service. I can see foregoing irons, but it can't hurt to have'em on either for a couple extra ounces. I could go either way.
cirE Please get rid of China = bad quality! You get in China/Asia what you pay for.
modern military optics are usually rated to fall on the scope onto concrete from 10 ft w/o damage
Have you ever used iron sights? Because I don't think you have... or any sights at all for that matter.
I believe it was 704tactical did multiple drop tests and abuse tests on a cheap off brand $40 Amazon red dot and damn near could not break the thing or knock it far off zero. I'd hope a name brand piece is going to be must better.
I am looking forward to this WWSD 2017 series.
I really like the concept that you are describing here in this video. I'm looking forward to your future videos. Personally, I would be uncomfortable without iron sights.
I really like the logic behind this.
Super excited to see this series unfold. I wish there was a good polymer lower option that supported adjustable stocks, if there is I dont know of one.
hell yeah I can't wait to see these videos finally someone taking a logical look at the AR from the designers point of view
Great video. Finally subscribed because of it.
You forgot to mention the free floating barrel. Nice video! I'm looking forward to more content and info.
I am looking forward to the detailed components videos.
I geek out on this stuff. awesome!
+Paul H Thanks! Deep dives on each component are coming!
Looking forward to it.
Lovely weapons gentlemen. Can't wait to see that fancy bipod for Ian's.
Great concept.Bring it on!
On the bolt catch issue, what I could immediately think of was a rod that would be impinged by the follower, a spring for said rod, a T handle to allow the rod to be manipulated, and a roll pin or other fastener to hold the T handle to the rod. There would be a hole drilled vertically from the top of the lower to the trigger guard area (which would inevitably intersect the magazine catch hole, largest issue btw).
An alternative that I just thought of would be incorporating the mag catch as part of the assembly (as a fulcrum). The user would push forward to lock the bolt. The latch would be inside the trigger guard but again shaped like an inverted T with the arms pointed out to either side.
I love this series! There are thousands of AR "manufacturers" who sell roughly the same stuff. Why not push the boundaries a bit and see where we go with the platform.
Great video, first time visiting your channel. I was questioning the validity of this video until I recognized Ian from forgotten weapons.
Thank you for making these
You guys are going to make me spend money.
I just finished my first build and I have to say I am quite impressed. For now I plan to stick with my iron sights and a variable, but you guys make some good points on optics. I am very curious about the fore-ends, too.
Can't wait for more parts to this series
1st off, GREAT video on a great idea! with that said, is there any chance you guys will be putting out a comprehensive parts list on everything that went into those builds. I'm really looking forward to the rest of this series. Good job!
You guys must have had more fun at this year's shot show. You found a reason to get excited about some of the 1001 AR parts and accessories on the market.
this is going to be awsome can not wait.
This is very exciting.
Regards change of projectile. The NZ army is making a shift from 62 gr to 77 gr with the acquisition of our new LMT M4's. The idea being a extension from the 300m battle to the 600m after experienced gained in Afghanistan where we were caught abit short. There was extensive trialing (for us anyway) done to validate this shift but the only arguments against or cons to be overcome was the availability of ranges out to 600m for weapons qualification and training and ammunition cost. Otherwise it was very positive in making the shift. Or so I have been told.
Thanks for this episode (and others), love how you get into the specifics and engineering behind it all.
Kind regards
Shane
im so excited for these videos!!!
is that the Faxon GUNNER barrel, or just a pencil barrel???
Karl and Ian have balls of steel to suggest BUIS aren't needed in a public CZcams video. You guys are my favorite internet gun shit stirrers. Have you considered renaming "InRangeTV" to "SacredCowSlaughterhouse" ?
I'm glad I haven't bought an AR yet. Can't wait to see what you have come up with so I can start with the one that suit me best. My chronologic rifle collection is up to WWII so please don't wait to long to get the content out ;)