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This week Robert is joined by his old mate Roger Atkins, and as you can imagine in their own very distinct style they discuss a wide range of news topics and interesting stories from around the world of electrification.
Where would we be without Elon? Supply Chain Challenges! Always expect the unexpected, and Politicians! Yes, they went down that road too!
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I am a postie who is striking, and my employer claims we must modernise, yet they cannot even change light bulbs in our office to energy saving ones to save money, which I worked out in my office would calculate to a 4% increase in the wages of 120 people through energy savings, and a payback period of just 4 months. Its criminal.
shame we don't have a government committed to action rather than getting us into dept. Its my experience that many public buildings are wasting a lot of tax payers money on inefficient lighting.
Don't worry...
They're about to spend £20bn (no doubt £25bn+) on another white elephant nuclear project that's going to take at least 10 years and saddle you with energy at 2.5 times the price of a comparable wind project (at TODAYS prices, wind is getting cheaper)
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But they know best of course!
@cresbydotcom Replace the light bulbs with energy efficient ones and switch to heat pumps. Now you're saving energy year-round.
The idea that lighting contributes meaningfully to heating energy savings is absolutely bonkers, and I say that as an HVAC engineer who has to do that math designing central air systems. "Light bulb gets hot, so I must be saving money on heating!" is not actually a valid conclusion.
@cresbydotcom yes in the UK the energy saving on lightbulbs isn't as straightforward when you think about how the heat from the old lighting wasn't being wasted at all
@@peterjol Using that energy to light a bulb is an inefficient way to make heat as well as being inefficient in making light... Just because the heat from the bulb is not wasted, it does not mean that it is the most efficient use of the energy...
Within the last few years Swansea Council built the 1st new social housing in decades due to rule changes that allowed them to do so. The housing was built to Passive Haus standards and DIDN'T include gas central heating but did include rooftop solar, triple glazing as you would expect. Residents remain delighted at the low running costs of their draft free, well insulated homes. Swansea Council has plans for more of the same.
I love this. As a massive fan of Red Dwarf, all those years ago, I would never have seen this as your finest role Rob, but it is! Like you, I had never sat in an electric car until "forced in to it" - it was the "driver shortage" that led to fuel shortages as we came out of lockdown in October 2021, that left me feeling stranded and unable to go anywhere except on foot. I had 2 fossil cars on the drive, both of which had so little fuel in them that I couldn't risk driving to a petrol station and risk finding that they still didn't have any fuel. I was lucky enough to be able to walk 400 yds and test drive a used i3 from the garage on the corner. Instantly sold on it. Everything else just followed immediately from that - panels, battery and then a 2nd EV. I know I am super privileged to be able to afford to do this, but I wonder how many others could take similar steps if they think about what they will save in the short, medium, long term......I haven't bought fossil fuel for a year, have spent no more than if I'd just changed my car for another used car, spent 10 grand on a few panels and a battery and already saved 3 grand on electricity and not buying fuel, all in 11 months....
I had a super solar-oriented industrial roof perfect for panels but no incentive for me to install them as they would only benefit the tenants at my cost ! So, didn't happen; someone might do it one day, as since sold the property.
Rob's "advert for My Energy..." was one of the most electable speeches I've ever heard! 👏
I love it when a presenter actually speaks his mind. You nailed the important facts in an entertaining way but you made the point very clearly and forcefully. We all need to call this government out for their failings over the last 12 years.
In about 2006 Gordon Brown promised all new homes built in 10 years would be net zero. House builders were reluctant but then started moving towards this. Conservatives came to power and said, no, doesn't matter about that. Removed schemes to incentivise people to add insulation (cavity and loft). So companies like the Mark Group went bust. Pretty much killed that industry.
Another great rant to start the show!
for putting me to sleep
I dont watch this, but i defintely listen to this show everytime. Leave it running on another tab and carry on working meanwhile getting all this juicy info. Thank you Sir
The expression Roger is looking for "Don't let perfection be the enemy of good". And his point is well taken.
"Inform, Entertain and Educate" SO needed on Mainstream TV - Go Robert !!
Loved this episode, really good to listen to these 'Two Old Gits', with some very good topics and insights. Keep up the great work.
Rant starting at 05:52 -> 09:10. Absolutely brilliant and perfect. Thank you Bobby you LEGEND!! The incompetence to not do be doing this wholesale in 2022 boggles the mind. It almost makes you think they are trying to put it off as long as possible to help their friends... IT IS STUPID! 👍🏻
The Oil Lobby, the Coal Lobby, the Electricity Lobby........say no more !
I’ve already listened to the Podcast and couldn’t find the page where you record ‘Likes’.
I had the pleasure of having a video chat with Roger last year when I was trying to find a way to change the industry I work in and I found him to be knowledgeable, informative, experienced and enthusiastic, but most of all, he is so easy to talk to, it was like talking to an old friend.
This was a great episode. Keep em coming. If you can get onto mainstream TV at peak time, I’m sure you can get a more positive message out to more people. Fingers crossed for you 🤞🏾
R0bert, just keep doing what you are doing, we old fools need to keep together.
Another enjoyable and informative discussion - thank you! 😊
Absolutely agree with the comment about Arrival and their letting the perfect get in the way of the good! I’m invested in the company and it’s SO frustrating watching them refine and refine and refine and not get a product out the door. They also had all these videos showing their self driving tech. Forget the self driving for now. It’s a HUGE challenge to undertake when you aren’t even selling any product yet. They need to focus their resources and ignore anything but getting the van in production and out the door!
I feel for you having invested in the company. Alas I could see this coming when they did loads of publicity shows on fully charged with nothing new to show, seems more of a PR company than a manufacturer.
@@carlarrowsmith Patrick Boyle did a video on the first vapourware company. This is a similar story to arrival.
@@Moses_VII Thanks, I found it very interesting video.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
I really enjoyed this conversation.
Thx
love your chats with roger.. more please..
Halogens should be give boot just like the old 100 w light bulbs.
And now having finished the episode - a very interesting and engaging conversation. Thank you both.
'Currupt' ...... just be sure of your words. Politicians are a different breed and history tells you that - no matter what party is in power.
Robert, thank you for what you do.
Roger is correct - you must pivot to prime time tv using your well researched content and extensive contacts
Is it wrong that I love your rants😮😊
Glad you mentioned Aptera. It is truly innovative. High efficiency EV design is the next evolution for EVs. Longer range on smaller battery packs is essential to produce more affordable EVs.
Robert, Roger is my favourite of all your brilliant guests on this Podcast which I always watch on CZcams, often in two or three sittings. Sadly I'm an old codger too and I had loads to say when I started and now I've forgotten everything!
First, just quickly, Roger I had the same troubles and the same narrow escape through incompetence as you in my middle teens. It scars you for life but in a weirdly good way once you're through the other side. Joking aside, I know what it means to have gone through that.
This one's 'lastly' because I can't remember all the stuff in between...
Robert, Fully Charged was *the* first channel I watched and subbed to on CZcams and it helped me work out that I needed an e-bike in lockdown.
Having been sharing some of your vids on Facebook, the only platform I've fathomed out how to work (!) I've been wishing and hoping for some time that you'd get your/our/the message out on telly. Roger's right now is the time, TV companies seem open to electrification of transport, ie the fact that it's happening but they seem to get it twisted (wires crossed!) and just don't seem to understand.
I'm disabled and watch This Morning on ITV and they have tried to talk about ev's, one of their presenters brought hers in but the message kind of went wrong as they ended up putting too much emphasis on lack of charging infrastructure and also used very little time on the subject. That is the case with most of the presentations on renewables in general on TV...we need you on there Rob. People love you and will take notice I'm sure. 👍💚
I might be naive but I couldn't figure out what Roger was alluding to in his bit about his younger years. You've also kept it a but cryptic too like it's a bit taboo. My inkling from both of you, especially your "narrow escape through incompetence" is that you're talking about attempted suicide. Am I way off here?
@@cmw3737 in my own case you are correct.
Spot on CMW! Apologies if I was inadvertently vague. VERY happy to have come through all that - and very grateful that’s followed since. I’ve enjoyed a BONUS life ever since! 😊
Yep, I seen the same segment on This Morning by Alice Beer. Between Phil coming up with all the usual myths as if on cue cards, and Holly having to be educated on charge points, Alice did have her work cut out.
What a difference a year makes though. Changed days since then.
I’ve noticed that any time there’s a daytime ITV show giving away a car, it’s an EV usually on a 3 yr lease.
@@salibaba that's right, Alice Beer. I remember now, I was so cross because their competition always gave away an ice or hybrid car that I wrote to them to say that if they really want to promote EVs then why not give them away instead. Now they have but have you noticed they seem to pick the least desirable or sensible from any range? I think they've stopped short of the Mazda iX 30 or what ever that ridiculous short ranged compliance car with suicide doors that don't fit a full sized person through is called but that's the sort of thing they've found. It's as though they're deliberately being obtuse and very frustrating.
Love it !!!
Thank you.
I always enjoy these podcasts, but this is one of the best yet. Keep it up, Rob.
Well said both of you. Peace is the only logical way forwards.
Totally agree with Rodger about taking Fully Charged mainstream on TV or one of the major streaming services. 😎
one of the best episodes ever, and i like them all. more roger on a regular basis.
Preach! ❤
Nothing like a good Rant!! Hope you felt better.
There is more to Australia than just Sydney.
Got into Fully Charged because I saw an electric car review by 'that bloke off Scrapheap Challenge'! ...and here we are.
A like the swipe at "Consultants" who are basically parasites on the creation process.
Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest is the name of the mining guy you were thinking about in regards to the Williams acquisition and infinity train. He's also the guy trying to spruik hydrogen all over the place.
EDIT Turns out I was completely wrong about what I said below and my Solis Hybrid Inverter does allow my DC coupled system to charge from the grid! Many thanks @salibaba !
Hi Robert regarding your battery set up and the fact you can charge them overnight on cheap rate leccy.... Worth noting that is dependent on the solar/inverter/battery set up/design. To do what you do, you need an AC coupled battery set up. I'm more than happy with my solar and battery set up but mine is a DC coupled system with the batteries coupled to the inverter. This means it cannot support charging the batteries from the grid. As I said I'm more than happy with my system but I only learned this info after I had the system installed. Worth viewers adding this to the list of things to discuss with system designers/installers when they spec a system.
That’s a bit strange. I’ve got a Givenergy DC coupled system and so can charge from the grid anytime I want. It’s been on night charge for almost 2 months due to the sun departing for winter.
Many others I’ve seen on the UK market I’ve seen are capable of the same features.
@@salibaba that's very interesting 🤔 Maybe I'm being a numpty.... Looking into it now thank you
@@chrisshave7129 what make is yours?
Thank you for the food for thought please keep it up.
Come on BBC what are you waiting for? Great conversation and such a variety of topics that are so important.
I have loved every episode. Keep'em coming ! Thank you. I hope we in America keep waking up !!
Hi all. I’m following this brilliant channel from South Africa. Not proud of our electricity situation here at the moment. We’re in a absolute catastrophe of biblical proportions as far as our “totally government run” power generator is concerned 😢. We get load shedding 10-12 hours a day.
Robert -- the reason for the Hummer is that in the US the government gives a $20k+ rebate for businesses who buy heavy vehicles. The idea is delivery vans, trucks, etc. But a Hummer is so heavy that it qualifies for the rebate and yet it's a passenger vehicle. It's specifically designed to weigh so much that it gets past the threshold, so you can scam the government into paying for a personal car.
It's absurd, but it makes sense for the scammers buying it and the scammers (GM) making it.
God bless you. It is a tremendous job you guys are doing. And better all the time.
Thank you from Virginia
My magic box got 3!!!!! flashing lights. That shows how expensive it was. Indeed, very important those lights.
Talk about getting into the guts of everything, my I be so bold as you ask you Robert to go interview some Welsh Farmers who want to have solar on thier farms, but can't because the local grid network is not man enough to take the load. Lets get these people talking and creating solautions.
11.05 onwards
Roger is correct.
Re the rant about Shell and corruption.... Sunak is apparently proud of receiving bribes from Shell.
The pushback is coming when people wake up and realize the ground is shifting beneath their feet. It will take time to sort out but will happen, thanks to you both for your part.
Yes, let's build Hummers and mothball the Bolt. Pure GM logic. Quite sarcastically intended.
Aptera and Cybertruck iconic vehicles of this century.VW IBUZZ dropped the ball
It's awful that Solyndra was forced out of business. There should be Solyndra panels on every flat, white-roofed building, but now there is no one making them.
You HAVE to bring the Aptera to the next fully charged show! It's an absolute MUST!!! It's the most significant vehicle of the decade in my opinion!
It really isn't (in my opinion) the most significant vehicle. Are you perhaps thinking that it's a neat little vehicle suited for modern urban area transport? It's not ... check out the dimensions!
My ongoing theory is you have to be on the spectrum to get Elon.
I didn't want u guys to shut up, absolutely fascinating :-) Many thanks Rob and team for another brilliant episode. Keep them coming (maybe on the tele?!) ;-)
I've pointed this out before about Arrival, if they had gone into production with the first iteration of van it would have been a disaster, that van was a death trap for the driver in a crash, this led to the hold up as it needed a redesign.
fully charged should start their own political party and run this country, Robert for PM. i would vote for you....
I thought he was having Andy Wilman on there for a second lol
No discussion about "getting on with it" should be completed without mentioning RiverSimple
I recommend reading Jacques Fresco's book ..'The best that money CAN'T buy'.. it is really interesting food for thought about how we could live sustainably on this planet. It gets you looking at this world from an entirely new angle. An alternative you will NEVER consider as long as you think ONLY about this monetary system.
A fully charged TV show, here here, what a great idea. Even a monthly netflix show maybe.
An Indian Prime Minister. Had not been aware of that in that context . Times change and will.
It occurs to me that when there are sufficient people using cheap night-time electric energy that there will be no advantage to the electric company and they will gradually start charging the same tariff for any time of day (and it won’t be the smaller amount!). But perhaps I’m being unreasonably suspicious…🇨🇦
Don't think of it as night-time electricity, think of it as off-peak. It will be a long time until there is no off-peak electricity, when we can all rely on battery warehouses to even out demands.
Yes the amount of saving may reduce and the over simple ‘always the same hours’ variant is perhaps looking dated but a heavy discount to use renewable energy when it is plentiful looks a long term situation to me. If already wind farms are being turned off when nobody wants the power is a thing as more power is switched to wind there is more reason to offload it cheaply during peak wind. Also as I understand it heat pumps and air conditioning are focused more on day time consumption so largely go away at night.
The advantage to electric companies is that they won't need to build new money losing peaker plants.
The price difference between on and off peak will diminish, but is unlikely to disappear entirely. EVs charge quite slowly and so draw far less power than ovens, tumble dryers, kettles, etc. which means that period between 4pm and 8pm is always likely to have the most consumption. But the better news is that by the time batteries (whether EVs or house) are commonplace enough to make off peak less cheap we'll be approaching the point where renewables supply all our electricity, and they're already ridiculously cheap when compared to gas, oil or coal.
LOVED ❤ your initial rant.
I have had solar on the roof since 2010- yes it cost a fortune then, but has paid for itself many times over. Cheers
from Brisvegas 🇦🇺
I love you!
Well done finally getting the teams attempts to throw you, sorted out and hanging onto the title you founded.
With regatds to the Elon doco, I was somewhat disappointed by the screen time they gave Linette Lopez and her fake stories about "waste" and how she was attacked by Elon, when all he did was tweet that the story was inaccurate.
Then they follow that up with some awful tweets by some deluded followers and present them as if from him. Typical bad journalism to create sensation where there was none.
She is a properly nasty piece of work no doubt on someone's payroll. Yet here she was acting neutral and sincerely journalistic.
Makes me worry what the BBC will do in episode 4. They either haven't done adequate research or they want a story, not necessarily the truth.
I love this guy 😆
WOW, i never expected a Robert Rant! 😁
Right there with you on 'self charging hybrids', but now Nissan are pushing theirs as 'unplugged', as if that is a good thing. Unbelievable.
You can't get away from Politics and the only question you need to ask is "who's side are you on?" Most politicians are *NOT* on our side.
As to NIO battery swaps, do the math to find out how economically feasible this is. For every battery pack NIO has in its swap stations NIO is forgoing making and selling a car with that pack in it. This is a huge opportunity cost that gets bigger and bigger as NIO ramps up. Even if NIO uses these swap stations to back the grid and makes money doing that, it will be a pittance in comparison to the profit they could have made on a car.
The only reason that this is feasible for NIO to do right now is that they are not making any profit on their cars now. As soon as they do this lost opportunity cost will come to bite them. They may find themselves stopping swapping stations and robbing back the batteries to put in salable cars! At that time NIO might try to have you now stop renting your battery and pay up?
Ergo they will never be as profitable or as successful as Tesla or even other companies like BYD might be. Maybe great for the consumer but bad for a stockholder.
Finally, having to have a car design that includes swappable batteries means that you must always have a similar chassis design or the battery pack won’t fit or you would have to carry multiple pack designs for each model?? Unworkable…. so NIO has locked themselves into an architecture that precludes something like a structural battery pack and the cost savings that would entail.
12:40 Remember when "2010, Armstrong and fellow Apollo astronauts Gene Cernan and Jim Lovell criticized commercial spaceflight?" That it would be to expensive and slow in coming? SpaceX has the lowest cost launches ever (and biggest profit).
Monday morning just wouldn't be the same without this podcast, although I watch on YT. I watch and listen while getting ready for work. Good rant to start off too. 👍
EDIT: Must add that today's chat had so many points to comment on, but I'll leave them alone, apart from Roger's advice for Robert to return to mainstream TV with Fully Charged. Years ago I would have been dead against the move, because Fully Charged has grown online organically with pretty much word of mouth promotion alone. Now might be the time to add a broadcast show, with perhaps taking elements of "Tomorrow's World" [UK viewers will remember that one] and consumer advice programmes. Provided the commitment to it was big enough, [ie, not shown in some backwater time slot] with sufficient length of programme, depth and breadth of content, I believe it could be a big success. But remain and build online too.
New Zealand is a day ahead, it's my Tuesday on the train to work podcast.....
@@johnhornblow4347 I lived in New Zealand in the 1990s. Happy days.
Great Podcast buys👌
In Australia we do not say rooters.
I watch both channels so no worries. I'm glad you are old as you say because that means you are old enough to have been in Red Dwarf
Roger is as big a fan as me!
Great show, the only concern I have about Rishi is that he used to work for Oldman Sachs, his mindset etc, when it comes to Elon Musk for me he's a genius involved in agile learning on the production line where in excess of 20 design changes are made every day, he's involved in all of them. Any CEO that slept on the factory floor for some 3 years to ensure that the machine that makes the machine works, has my vote. I often wonder what his best critics have achieved in the last 10 yrs let alone during their lifetimes.
'three years'.....!?
No....!
Maybe a few nights here and there over a period of three years(and then a lot of talking about it in interviews)..!!
But, no..
@@andymccabe6712 great made you look it up 🤣
@@andymccabe6712 look what I found a quote from Elon 6 days ago "I was living in the factory in Fremont and the one in Nevada for three years straight," Musk said. "Those were my primary residences." He said he used to sleep on a couch in the factories, but moved to sleeping on the floor under his desk so his team could see him during shift changes.6 days ago. No need to apologise I can see the measure of you fella.
@@anthropod7263 There is no doubt that quite often Elon does, and says stupid things. (That only proves he’s human.)
However he constantly has also done amazing things, built amazing teams and amazing companies. Many people love to hate him for the bad, and unfortunately twitter will only make it worse. It’s sad that he’s often judged for his mistakes rather than his really incredible successes.
I am for not depending on OIL, but the thing is that being from NZ,
1.the sun hardly shines
2. to run a refrigerator freezer 🤔 you need 16soler panels
3. If you have a Texas blackout with loses off water, gass, and electric power from the grid
4. And then you learn that houses with batteries walls were only good for 3hours, only.
In a real disaster situation 😕, I think that this is very important, and devastating.thay say.😒 I say have plenty LPG for a true survival situation to cook 🍳 your thouring out foods.*must have ventilation indoors.
18:58 Talking about subscription/lease of vehicle. I seem to recall a very early fully charged show years ago where they visited a start up somewhere in Britain that planned to only offer vehicles in lease form. His idea was for ALL vehicles should only be leased. The advantages would be that lease payments would be spread to all suppliers of parts of the vehicle. Brakes, tires, windows, seats. In doing so it would encourage recycling and longevity. As when vehicle rarely needs repair would provide greater return $$$. Having company ultimately get the vehicle back as they own it, it would easier to enforce recycling and encourage recycling thinking in design. Interesting idea as leasing to a group that would buy a pool of vehicles and share vs individuals each having their own. Like company you work for or your neighborhood. If neighborhood there could be a variety of vehicles, mostly small but a few Vans and trucks depending on your need of the day. This would provide a central quick charge point for vehicles and allow for greater use of stationary battery bank to help with grid. So many possibilities.
I'd like to believe Honda will do things right, but I've just seen the copy on their UK website: "The CR-V is a full, self-charging hybrid…"
*ugh*
Nissan also seems to have backpedaled too. Seen the new qashqi ad earlier, “Petrol fuelled, electric powered”
I just love when you try to sound like a yank. (Router for example) :^) Your not too bad at it either! Now back to the podcast. Cheers!
5kw battery only costs the same as 2.5 iPhones....
Remember the futurama episode were they don't know how to make garbage. The future you'll be eating a recycled sandwich 🥪 😆
In addition to checking out the feasibility of including Twiggy Forester's Fortescue Metals in Fully Charged Live Australia, why not do the same thing with Mike Cannon-Brookes and his mates that are seeking to develop that HUMONGOUS solar/wind/battery storage set-up in the Northern Territories to export renewable energy to Singapore? I suggest this as it would be yet another demonstration that renewables & storage are perfectly good for large scale usage of the same.
I always love when Rodger and Robert get together; they're never dull.
I’m great with faces, good with names, can never marry the two together.
Seen Roger Atkinson’s name on the synopsis, didn’t bat an eye.
His face pops on screen at 10.00; I instantly smile and think, this’ll be good.
O M.G. - Rob . ..I've just seen you in a POP VIDEO with The Cat from about 1898,...oops..1998!!
COOL!!!!!
Arrival have been hugely disappointing. I am sorry to say I lost a large sum of money investing in them as I was quite convinced by their prototype vehicles and was sure that they must have proved out the micro-factory concept or they wouldn’t have been investing in expanding their product line. I mean, only a critically mismanaged business would do that with a large UPS van order on the books waiting to be fulfilled. Surely. And then they found themselves running out of money, so what did they do? Cut some people in the US to focus on the UK. And then when they were having trouble producing vehicles in the UK what do they do? Decide to cut in the UK and focus on the US. All in the space of 6 months. Genius.
Great talk! I have one point. - I dont feel sorry for Toyota. They are the biggest car company...really none other us like them but just very close minded and this will be a lesson for companies around that they need to listen to the public perception and wish. So no matter how big you should listen to the consumer. Hopefully this lesson its going to be good for the world.
Is there somewhere online I can see this documentary mentioned early on?
BBC iPlayer, I think it was The Elon Musk Show they were talking about. 3 episodes.
That's a great advert
Flashing light ?!?! - "Step up to Red Alert !"...
The new surgery near they finished this year which is very fancy has no thought for adding solar panels, the biggest part of the roof which is curved faces north, it would have made no difference to the day to day running to make it the other way around with the big roof facing south and not curved.
On the subject of Scrapheap Challenge; would having a chat with Dick Strawbridge be an idea, to see how green he still lives? You know, after having that show "It's Not Ready Being Green".
Talking about just this subject, partially saw an interview with William Shatner on BBC about being worried about the planet, global warming etc, and being worried for his children and grandchildren's future. I had to look up at that point what cars he chooses to drive..... Couldn't find out any recent info, but he had a car crash in 21 in his SUV and enjoys driving his favourite car that has an ice of up to 6.3L..... need I say more!
Obviously the presenter didn't challenge him on what he was doing to limit his greenhouse footprint - including taking a joyride to the edge of space in a rocket lift that serves no purpose except to make 1 individual more wealthy!!
The burning question, Robs, is, if Our American Cousins call rooters rowders - what do they call routers(for wood, if you're a DIY dork .....!)!?
Here in Oz 🇦🇺 we call the wood thingy (router) and the wifi thingy (router) both the exact same, sounds like rowter.
I wasn’t aware that pommies call them “rooter”. That actually sounds quite rude 😅
Robert -- can you folks do something on school buses? I'd love a smart person's analysis of the costs/benefits of switching to electric for those. (The street in front of my daughter's school stinks of diesel fumes from those idling yellow buses.)
When in Australia take a look at Lake Resources who claim a cleaner way of producing lithium for batteries. And what do you think of solid state batteries will they make charging EV’s faster one of the main gripes I hear from people who ask about my EV, Alpine4technologies claim they have made one
The the aptera according to the inter-web dose not need to be plugged in or fulled ? This is why people would buy one not because it is small. 🤔🤔🤔
It isn't small! It's huge. Check out the actual dimensions. It's higher and wider than a Tesla Model S! (Yes, it looks like a modern version of 3 wheeler "bubble cars" of yesteryear but that's a false impression.)