Bayshore Freeway and Central Freeway (Double-deck structure, before demolition). San Francisco, California, USA 1992. 最後に映っている２層構造のセントラルフリーウェイは、この後に取り壊されて現存しません。
It's funny seeing all those old land barges and econo-boxes driving around like today with our cars. It's hard finding old dash cam footage that's pre-2000s that's not from a cop car in a chase. Excellent video!
And the truck they pass at the beginning is a 359 Peterbilt. Pretty much all taken off of the road now by CARB. Now all of the historic truck enthusiasts are restoring them and taking them to truck shows, to celebrate when America made real trucks, instead of plastic motor homes pulling semi trailers...
That’s the San Francisco I remember growing up. No hi rises in SOMA, still industrial. Although I don’t miss seeing that freeway looming over Market, but thank you for documenting the way it used to look...
Great video. I remember the Central Freeway well - one of my mom's doctors was on Stanyon. It took us there from Bernal Heights on 101 rather quickly. I had no strong negative feelings about the freeway. It was just there. There were other things in life I could get worked up about. The freeway wasn't one of them.
This starts at the west end of the Bay Bridge on I80. The overpass at the start was part of the Embarcadero freeway and was torn down after the quake. The rest was like this when I arrived in 1998. The end is on Fell Street. The difference now is that the final left curve was torn down and replaced with a surface street to join Fell at a conventional junction.
Now that would be a fun car to listen to, sound bouncing off of all that concrete, with a set of headers, Dr Gas X pipe and Spin Tech side outlet exhaust...
Thanks for posting this. I never lived in San Francisco or been there in the first place until 2003, right after the off ramp was torn down. I was curious about it as to what it was like driving on it, but it looks much more appealing today with the Octavia Boulevard which sits along where the off ramp used to be.
The Union 76 building, I worked there for about 2 yrs in the mid 1970s, brings back old times, I still drive through there now and then, expect for the new high rises when you approach from the bay bridge it hasn't changed that much, now there's more traffic then before.Great video Thanks.
used to take that to oak/fell timed traffic lights and be in western addition avenues in 10 minutes. I miss delivering in sf. it was fun. different road rules than anywhere I've been since. thanks
All the cars I grew up around that are FUCKING gone!! First generation Dodge Caravan, early Chevrolet Cavaliers.....sure, the throwaway cars of the time, but I still loved them and all the other boxes of the 80s and early 90s.
I liked this drive into the city. The Marlboro billboard is still there, but no longer smoking like he was in years before. Now he's gone and I miss him.
I took that freeway to my law firm in the Financial District for 15 years! Just Loved it - got to work in 15 minutes from from the excelsior District - woo hoo!!
I was hoping this was going all the way to the ramps at Oak and Turk cuz I never got to drive on those. Nevertheless you've probably got the only dashcam view of these in existence. Pretty cool history. Would be alot easier getting around if we still had these freeways!
Yeah at the time the car was seen as the future, and for a large part, it was, is and will be. Australia is really car dependant as well. We don't have a network anything like the US's interstate system, but our freeways are usually much nicer, have sound walls or greenery barriers, and we seem to favour tunnels over the raised freeways the US uses. It comes at a price though, they're expensive and rarely get upgraded and often have tolls. So try to see the positive.
You might be interested in checking out some of my Australian driving videos. Featured one right now showcases the freeways, bridges and tunnels feeding into and out of Sydney's CBD. Cheers!
Not all that much. This right here looks about the same as any Tuesday afternoon does today. Traffic seems to have just rescaled to the amount of freeway mileage we have. I guess if you were a kid and never had to drive to work back then but have to now, it might seem like that to you. But objectively, more freeway mileage just shifts the traffic burden to surface streets more. You can add as many freeway levels you want, but you ain't resizing the size of the streets themselves. In other words, more people used to fit on the freeways when we have more of them, but the surface streets were more of a mess.
they should convert this to 3D and upscale it to HD if they still have original camcorder tape. My mind took me back to that era where things weren't so aggressive and mean spirited.
@@RaymondHng First time I went to SF was in the spring of 93 and did drive on the Central fwy entering the upper deck there at Golden gate Av to the Bay bridge to Oakland. I remember the seeing the ramp to the 880 upper deck was still there with traffic exiting onto old Cypress st.
@@socalltd Southbound entrance to the upper deck of the Central Freeway was at Gough Street and Turk Street. What is now there is this building on the corner. goo.gl/maps/aQhqgtA8mj2pKKWL7 The northbound exit from the lower deck of the Central Freeway is at Franklin Street and Golden Gate Avenue. It became this parking lot until 2011. goo.gl/maps/u5zUiWbFWkG3mL7JA Then this building was put in its place. goo.gl/maps/B5AS2VCGT6gnXvjR7
Looking to see if I can spot either a '90 Toyota Corolla, or '92 camry, still have them, Corolla has over 330,000 miles, 4 cylinder, manual, Camry is 6 cylinder, with a relatively "low" 216,000 on it, no AC, still runs pretty good, both passed smog tests w/ flying colors.
❤ I truly miss this freeway 🛣 and the joy it would bring me to get to see the beautiful tall buildings and destinations it allowed me to get to when I was a kid… it’s a shame that people who are now either extremely old or dead took this useful and needed transportation way down 30+ years ago…🤬 For shame San Francisco ‼️
It didn't collapse, but it turned out to have suffered significant damage from the quake. Caltrans would tear down the entire freeway north of Fell Street shortly after this video was shot.
@@brianb.8295 The back side of my office building overlooked the exit ramp at Golden Gate and Franklin. It seems that was closed right after the 89 quake. (What a day to remember that, today is 17 Oct 2020)
+JMMT7022801 Yes it was. It was shortened after the Loma Prieta Earthquake. The freeway portion now ends at Market Street and Octavia Boulevard. So far, where the freeway was, remains undeveloped. Only being taken up with parking lots.
+West Coast Highways I actually have some old home video of the San Francisco Bay Bridge and downtown area shot on a VHSC camcorder back in 2002. You can see SoMa and the slender Unicoal 76 marquee before it got torn down to make way for 1 and 2 Rincon Hill.
as interesting as this is from a historical preservation standpoint (and thanks for posting!) i am SO glad san francisco got rid of this mess, and i wish the city would dismantle everything that's left of its barely-existent freeways as well. the city just isn't designed for this stuff, and the areas these sections used to cover are so much better utilized now with public transportation and park / residential / commercial space instead.
@@kamepo cool. So you was the driver of the car? I really think this cool because I got my license in 1992 when I turned 16. Interesting to see what cars were on the road back then. I bet that Corolla is still going. lol.
@@Tennesseestorm76 Yes, I was driving myself with taking the video. Many people looked at the car, and asked - Why do you put the camera on the car?? lol Please see this for the detail => czcams.com/video/QhbQBY_Jagc/video.html
back then you could go anywhere you want and no one would know where you were now everyone is traceable by cell phone and if anything happens everyone has a camera and phone on them at all times. The mystique the adventure of life is gone it's too easy now like cheat codes for a video game
1MNUTZ That's exactly how I feel man, couldn't have said it any better. Crap I miss these days, there was still some soul left in the world it seemed. Great comment.
I'm so glad this got torn down. The area north of Market is so much nicer now. I know some people prefer to have a more convenient drive, but now it's a place where people can actually live. Compare Octavia (which is a bit too wide but oh well, it's still an improvement) to 13th street, where the Central Freeway still exists. You really don't want to walk there alone at night. I know it's probably just accidental but I find it funny that the nice part of the road not covered by freeway is Duboce Ave, but the sketchy part the freeway covers is 13th St.
Yup two years ago I visited the Golden Gate Bridge and there was a lot of traffic on Van Ness Ave and Lombard Street, if this freeway still existed it would reduce traffic a lot.
Sure wish they had built the new ramp that they have now in the old footprint of where the freeway was. I hate that narrow new bulv. they built. Nothing but a traffic nightmare now.
@@superdevinsX No the freeway you guys are thinking about was in Oakland it's the one that collapsed in the earthquake. The embarcaderro freeway didn't collapse but it's foundation suffered a lot of damage and ultimately had to be demolished in 1990. But this particular freeway lasted all the way up until 2003 when it was demolished and then replaced by the shorter non double decker version of the new central freeway.
karnubawax when central freeway and embarcadero freeway got removed, value went up like 300% ala what SF has going on in the whole city now along with other bullshit that worsened it. I always wonder if things from that aspect would have stayed the same or nearly the same?
It's not so bad. Actually, they only tore down the final 1/2 mile or so. Now it terminates at Market Street instead of crossing Market Street onto Fell/Oak.
@@EricMeyerson Actually, you're half right. If you stay to the left, it dumps you at Market and Octavia. Stay to the right to be dumped off at Mission and Duboce
Jacob Fornby Have you ever seen what the original plans for the LA Freeway System was? Take a look at how many highway projects were thwarted and then you'd realize where the real failure lies. Plenty of other Metropolitan areas have the same problem. Also consider places like Garden City, New York, and the Northern Virginia suburbs. Those are examples of suburban sprawl brought about by railroads, which proves that you can't blame it all on freeways.
Jacob Fornby The New York Tri-State area, and many others need to provide for drivers too. The reduction in the number of drivers is more of a reaction to the refusal to do that, primarily with the backlash against Robert Moses. Also, if the roundabout is not as effective as you think, otherwise you'd still have one between the Saw Mill River and Taconic State Parkways.
Those elevated freeways were a good idea and a bad idea. Only nobody knew of the bad part until later. But at least they made for a great scene in "Freebie and the Bean": czcams.com/video/4Q5xh5EdEaI/video.html
It's amazing how the highway engineers of the 50's shoved these nasty free ways up the asses of communities without regard for property values, quality of life, urban blight or input from the communities themselves. Furthermore, the feasibility of the freeway itself was never questioned, nor were other options including expanding public transit were considered. These 50's highway planners just didn't give a fuck about anything except putting up hideous freeways no matter what the cost.
It's like you made a CZcams style video over a decade before CZcams even existed.
+KOBUN40 More than a decade.
+KOBUN40 2 decades and 4 years ago to be precise.
+West Coast Highways Well, CZcams started in 2005, although it did take a while for it to become what we know of it today.
1 decade and 3 years ago, KOBUN40 is referring to the time difference between the this video's film date 1992 and 2005 (when CZcams came out)
Is there an old school Toyota Celica in this video?
It's funny seeing all those old land barges and econo-boxes driving around like today with our cars. It's hard finding old dash cam footage that's pre-2000s that's not from a cop car in a chase. Excellent video!
And you just know someone is belting Nirvana in a few of those cars
I still drive a 1988 Mercedes S-Class and a 1991 Lincoln Town Car (weekend cruisers). :)
before everyone started driving tanks.
And the truck they pass at the beginning is a 359 Peterbilt. Pretty much all taken off of the road now by CARB. Now all of the historic truck enthusiasts are restoring them and taking them to truck shows, to celebrate when America made real trucks, instead of plastic motor homes pulling semi trailers...
It’s wild to think that probably the majority of the cars in this video are dead by now
When they say "dash cam" they literally mean one of those giant VHS shoulder mounted camcorders on a 1991 flat dashboard.
Exactly as you say, But, in my case, it was a Hi8 camcorder.
The days when you could go from the Excelsior District to Japantown in under 10 minutes.
That’s the San Francisco I remember growing up. No hi rises in SOMA, still industrial. Although I don’t miss seeing that freeway looming over Market, but thank you for documenting the way it used to look...
Gotta admit, Embarcadero freeway was cool to drive down.
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I prefer the freeway 🛣
@@michwashington yeah it would have been nice to have rebuilt it. It’s a pain in the arse now to drive this route.
High rises are better than industrial and crime
Even though I didn't drive much back then, having that direct access to Fell was very convenient. I missed it when it was changed.
Great video. I remember the Central Freeway well - one of my mom's doctors was on Stanyon. It took us there from Bernal Heights on 101 rather quickly. I had no strong negative feelings about the freeway. It was just there. There were other things in life I could get worked up about. The freeway wasn't one of them.
This starts at the west end of the Bay Bridge on I80. The overpass at the start was part of the Embarcadero freeway and was torn down after the quake. The rest was like this when I arrived in 1998. The end is on Fell Street. The difference now is that the final left curve was torn down and replaced with a surface street to join Fell at a conventional junction.
I drove that freeway every day for 16years to work at letterman army hospital, in my 1967 cougar 390 4 speed, I still have the car,thanks
Now that would be a fun car to listen to, sound bouncing off of all that concrete, with a set of headers, Dr Gas X pipe and Spin Tech side outlet exhaust...
Epic classic.
Sweet ride man 👍
The drive, the skyline looks so similar even today, 30 years later!
Billboard sign of the all-new 1992 Toyota Camry. :)
That was a good year for the Camry.
Dawn man this remake of GTA San Andreas looks so good...
Damn nostalgic I wish I would have gotten a chance to drive by this
Good memories of many, many drives on this road. Thanks.
Thanks for posting this. I never lived in San Francisco or been there in the first place until 2003, right after the off ramp was torn down. I was curious about it as to what it was like driving on it, but it looks much more appealing today with the Octavia Boulevard which sits along where the off ramp used to be.
The Union 76 building, I worked there for about 2 yrs in the mid 1970s, brings back old times, I still drive through there now and then, expect for the new high rises when you approach from the bay bridge it hasn't changed that much, now there's more traffic then before.Great video Thanks.
Loved that freeway. I lived at 632 Fell just up the hill from the off ramp.😁
Wow this is like stepping back in time!
I like the small "boxy" cars. I prefer that style over rounded, aerodynamic design.
Reg dashcam You don’t need to clarify that if you have a boxy car in your profile picture...
Loved my Mazda 323
1930s, 1940s and 1950s cars had rounded, aerodynamic design
That's what I did drive 1985 Nissan Sentra Sedan Shitbox
@@samanli-tw3id I prefer old classics than modern cars
I like how the Dodge Aries that appears at 0:13 is in view for nearly the entire video!
I think I see my 1992 750il in the bottom right corner at 1:01 AWESOME!!
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used to take that to oak/fell timed traffic lights and be in western addition avenues in 10 minutes. I miss delivering in sf.
it was fun. different road rules than anywhere I've been since.
thanks
All the cars I grew up around that are FUCKING gone!! First generation Dodge Caravan, early Chevrolet Cavaliers.....sure, the throwaway cars of the time, but I still loved them and all the other boxes of the 80s and early 90s.
Alone with the Ford Aerostar vans.
Love the KFOG billboard, along with the Central Freeway, two things both now extinct.
That's the kind of traffic that there was there in the 90s.
I miss this freeway too. I even remember getting on the freeway southbound on Gough and Turk.
The Turk Street entrance portion of the Central Freeway was already demolished when this film was shot. You can see the dead end at 4:12 on the right.
When I drive to Japantown current day I get confused because I still expect this videos dashcam ending instead of today's much longer path.
*Chinatown
I liked this drive into the city. The Marlboro billboard is still there, but no longer smoking like he was in years before. Now he's gone and I miss him.
I recommend this video for you!
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So much more streamlined than present day 2022.
I took that freeway to my law firm in the Financial District for 15 years! Just Loved it - got to work in 15 minutes from from the excelsior District - woo hoo!!
Shoot 5 mins for me unless there is a giants game scheduled, i mean like recent times, though. But i get it!
Weird seeing this and knowing I was weeks away from being born
oh thats right, old memories.. I had forgotten how it was before
I was hoping this was going all the way to the ramps at Oak and Turk cuz I never got to drive on those. Nevertheless you've probably got the only dashcam view of these in existence. Pretty cool history. Would be alot easier getting around if we still had these freeways!
Yeah at the time the car was seen as the future, and for a large part, it was, is and will be. Australia is really car dependant as well. We don't have a network anything like the US's interstate system, but our freeways are usually much nicer, have sound walls or greenery barriers, and we seem to favour tunnels over the raised freeways the US uses. It comes at a price though, they're expensive and rarely get upgraded and often have tolls. So try to see the positive.
You might be interested in checking out some of my Australian driving videos. Featured one right now showcases the freeways, bridges and tunnels feeding into and out of Sydney's CBD. Cheers!
Thank you for posting this by the way. I miss riding around with my parents on this highway, there was a lot less traffic back then as well.
Not all that much. This right here looks about the same as any Tuesday afternoon does today. Traffic seems to have just rescaled to the amount of freeway mileage we have. I guess if you were a kid and never had to drive to work back then but have to now, it might seem like that to you. But objectively, more freeway mileage just shifts the traffic burden to surface streets more. You can add as many freeway levels you want, but you ain't resizing the size of the streets themselves.
In other words, more people used to fit on the freeways when we have more of them, but the surface streets were more of a mess.
There def was far less traffic back then.
Only good thing about how and days is the cell phones can call ambulance, though people might record you dying instead...
I miss this freeway 🛣 so much ‼️
Used to take me 18 minutes to get from my flat on Divis & Waller to my office at 2 Embarcadero. Darn Loma Prieta Earthquake.
I turned 16 in 1992 - year I got my driver license.
OMG that is General Hospital near the end. Potrero Hill.
No, it's Fell Street at its base in Hayes Valley.
Complete memories, way to castro and the Haight.
It looks so different now in SF... Only a tiny tiny stub of the freeway was rebuilt. The rest turned into parkway... Chocked with traffic...
Good old days you could hang out in the Tenderloin Back Flip , Phoenix Motel, Caribbean Zone, Brain Wash
I subscribed because of this video
they should convert this to 3D and upscale it to HD if they still have original camcorder tape.
My mind took me back to that era where things weren't so aggressive and mean spirited.
I remember when the Central Freeway ended at Fell and Laguna. I think the last time I drove that part to Fell and Laguna was around 1999 or 2000-ish.
I remember it when it ended further north at Golden Gate Ave. and Franklin St.
@@RaymondHng First time I went to SF was in the spring of 93 and did drive on the Central fwy entering the upper deck there at Golden gate Av to the Bay bridge to Oakland. I remember the seeing the ramp to the 880 upper deck was still there with traffic exiting onto old Cypress st.
@@socalltd Southbound entrance to the upper deck of the Central Freeway was at Gough Street and Turk Street. What is now there is this building on the corner. goo.gl/maps/aQhqgtA8mj2pKKWL7
The northbound exit from the lower deck of the Central Freeway is at Franklin Street and Golden Gate Avenue. It became this parking lot until 2011. goo.gl/maps/u5zUiWbFWkG3mL7JA Then this building was put in its place. goo.gl/maps/B5AS2VCGT6gnXvjR7
Carl Johnson at 4:37
Where?!
brings back memories compare to the new exit that is on market st.
Looking to see if I can spot either a '90 Toyota Corolla, or '92 camry, still have them, Corolla has over 330,000 miles, 4 cylinder, manual, Camry is 6 cylinder, with a relatively "low" 216,000 on it, no AC, still runs pretty good, both passed smog tests w/ flying colors.
My old commute to the Good Guys store on Geary and Masonic!
the route is veri beautiful
Great quality video, no music, that's ok, '92 wasn't too bad a year for it(Gin Blossoms, Toad the wet sprocket) to name a couple of groups then
No better audio than the sound of the road.
It's the middle of the day and the Freeway is practically empty. You could never drive that fast around two o'clock nowadays
I love these videos and hate that San Francisco wants to make driving obsolete 😠
❤ I truly miss this freeway 🛣 and the joy it would bring me to get to see the beautiful tall buildings and destinations it allowed me to get to when I was a kid… it’s a shame that people who are now either extremely old or dead took this useful and needed transportation way down 30+ years ago…🤬 For shame San Francisco ‼️
I lived at Oak and Buchanan in those days. Some things were better, some were worse.
4:14 So, this part did NOT collapse in the 1989 quake? Did they find out why? Had this section been modified to resist quakes?
It didn't collapse, but it turned out to have suffered significant damage from the quake. Caltrans would tear down the entire freeway north of Fell Street shortly after this video was shot.
@@brianb.8295 The back side of my office building overlooked the exit ramp at Golden Gate and Franklin. It seems that was closed right after the 89 quake. (What a day to remember that, today is 17 Oct 2020)
Did the double decker portion of the freeway get torn down?
+JMMT7022801 Yes it was. It was shortened after the Loma Prieta Earthquake. The freeway portion now ends at Market Street and Octavia Boulevard. So far, where the freeway was, remains undeveloped. Only being taken up with parking lots.
+West Coast Highways I actually have some old home video of the San Francisco Bay Bridge and downtown area shot on a VHSC camcorder back in 2002. You can see SoMa and the slender Unicoal 76 marquee before it got torn down to make way for 1 and 2 Rincon Hill.
@@shootthetiki6 No more parking lot at Laguna and Fell. It's residential housing now.
Ah, the old Canadian Club sign, that's gone too.
as interesting as this is from a historical preservation standpoint (and thanks for posting!) i am SO glad san francisco got rid of this mess, and i wish the city would dismantle everything that's left of its barely-existent freeways as well. the city just isn't designed for this stuff, and the areas these sections used to cover are so much better utilized now with public transportation and park / residential / commercial space instead.
I wonder what kind of car the video was taken from?
The car was a boring Toyota Corolla, cheaper class rental car. But some of my LA videos were taken from 5 liter Mustang GT.
@@kamepo cool. So you was the driver of the car? I really think this cool because I got my license in 1992 when I turned 16. Interesting to see what cars were on the road back then. I bet that Corolla is still going. lol.
@@Tennesseestorm76 Yes, I was driving myself with taking the video. Many people looked at the car, and asked - Why do you put the camera on the car?? lol
Please see this for the detail => czcams.com/video/QhbQBY_Jagc/video.html
back then you could go anywhere you want and no one would know where you were now everyone is traceable by cell phone and if anything happens everyone has a camera and phone on them at all times. The mystique the adventure of life is gone it's too easy now like cheat codes for a video game
1MNUTZ That's exactly how I feel man, couldn't have said it any better. Crap I miss these days, there was still some soul left in the world it seemed. Great comment.
What's that clicking sound? Someone actually signalling a lane change in San Francisco!
Drivers get angry if don't sign when changing lanes in Tokyo, so I just have a habit of using a blinker, hahaha.
🇺🇸🌹🌹🌹GOOD OLD DAYS.
Must be from 1992. Sound of turn signals is a giveaway that it’s not from the today times.
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I'm so glad this got torn down. The area north of Market is so much nicer now. I know some people prefer to have a more convenient drive, but now it's a place where people can actually live. Compare Octavia (which is a bit too wide but oh well, it's still an improvement) to 13th street, where the Central Freeway still exists. You really don't want to walk there alone at night. I know it's probably just accidental but I find it funny that the nice part of the road not covered by freeway is Duboce Ave, but the sketchy part the freeway covers is 13th St.
I can not stress this enough… WE NEED THAT FREEWAY 🛣 BACK NOW‼️
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Yup two years ago I visited the Golden Gate Bridge and there was a lot of traffic on Van Ness Ave and Lombard Street, if this freeway still existed it would reduce traffic a lot.
@@ci-cy3wwwhy?
The extension should have been rebuilt it kept the now congestion off the neighborhood streets.
1:50 - Almost 30 years later, same traffic buildup, with no resolution on hand...amazing.
To be expected of The Party
Sure wish they had built the new ramp that they have now in the old footprint of where the freeway was. I hate that narrow new bulv. they built. Nothing but a traffic nightmare now.
Why there was No Oxygen Masks back then?
This can't be from 1992. The double decker freeway there collapsed in 1989 in the earthquake.
That was the Nimitz Freeway that collapsed and the embarcadero freeway had a lot of damage.
This was only the Central Freeway, US-101. Not Interstate 880 or CA 480.
@@superdevinsX No the freeway you guys are thinking about was in Oakland it's the one that collapsed in the earthquake. The embarcaderro freeway didn't collapse but it's foundation suffered a lot of damage and ultimately had to be demolished in 1990. But this particular freeway lasted all the way up until 2003 when it was demolished and then replaced by the shorter non double decker version of the new central freeway.
@Billy Doyle yes indeed it was. I was born and raised in the SF bay area and remember it all clearly.
@Billy Doyle what I'm pointing out is that this was the freeway that crossed over market street and had an entrance and exit on fell street.
People don't realize how much the removal of the central freeway altered life in SF. Would have been better if they never removed it.
karnubawax when central freeway and embarcadero freeway got removed, value went up like 300% ala what SF has going on in the whole city now along with other bullshit that worsened it. I always wonder if things from that aspect would have stayed the same or nearly the same?
How long does this drive take today?
It's not so bad. Actually, they only tore down the final 1/2 mile or so. Now it terminates at Market Street instead of crossing Market Street onto Fell/Oak.
@@EricMeyerson Actually, you're half right.
If you stay to the left, it dumps you at Market and Octavia.
Stay to the right to be dumped off at Mission and Duboce
its not so bad getting off the freeway but the octavia traffic getting on can be a mess.
It takes six-to-fourteen minutes today.
when tupac was still alive
Damn NIMBYs !!!
Excuse me if I don't see anything "nasty" about freeways.
Jacob Fornby
Even Los Angeles screwed up their highways by stopping them.
Jacob Fornby
A load of left-wing crap, because stopping the building of highways actually creates most of the congestion.
Jacob Fornby
It's the left-wing that has fueled the sentiment of highways being a failure.
Jacob Fornby
Have you ever seen what the original plans for the LA Freeway System was? Take a look at how many highway projects were thwarted and then you'd realize where the real failure lies. Plenty of other Metropolitan areas have the same problem. Also consider places like Garden City, New York, and the Northern Virginia suburbs. Those are examples of suburban sprawl brought about by railroads, which proves that you can't blame it all on freeways.
Jacob Fornby
The New York Tri-State area, and many others need to provide for drivers too. The reduction in the number of drivers is more of a reaction to the refusal to do that, primarily with the backlash against Robert Moses. Also, if the roundabout is not as effective as you think, otherwise you'd still have one between the Saw Mill River and Taconic State Parkways.
The good old days.
Those elevated freeways were a good idea and a bad idea. Only nobody knew of the bad part until later.
But at least they made for a great scene in "Freebie and the Bean": czcams.com/video/4Q5xh5EdEaI/video.html
When the world was still somewhat sane and normal.
except Yugoslav wars...
I don't remember Frisco ever being "normal"!
Parts of that still exist, but Octavia straight smack ended it. I wish every built freeway idea was done.
It's amazing how the highway engineers of the 50's shoved these nasty free ways up the asses of communities without regard for property values, quality of life, urban blight or input from the communities themselves. Furthermore, the feasibility of the freeway itself was never questioned, nor were other options including expanding public transit were considered. These 50's highway planners just didn't give a fuck about anything except putting up hideous freeways no matter what the cost.