The Genetic Heritage Of The Silver Skulls - 40K Theories
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- The Silver Skulls are said to be scions of Roboute Guilliman, despite all records regarding their genetic heritage being locked away. Could there be another source for the Chapter’s gene-seed?
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“We need to hide the heritage of these loyalist Iron Warriors from the Imperium. What color should their armor be?”
“Silver.”
“Excellent. It looks entirely unlike burnished iron. How about a symbol for the chapter?”
“A silver skull.”
“Perfect! A silver skull and silver color scheme, which is entirely unlike the heretical Iron Warriors and their iron skulls and iron color scheme. Nobody will suspect a thing.”
As long as there isn't any hazzard stripes, right?
Richard Lucero That would be a dead giveaway. No, as long as we keep them in silver armor with a silver skull symbol, nobody will mistake them for the totally different looking iron warriors.
You are right, these are obviously Iron Hands with a Skull Fetish XD
You say there's no hazard stripes, but the tactical marine at the opening of the video has a yellow arrow on a black background.
Remind you of anything?
Would you choose this chapter because dark and mysterious past? Or because one of the easiest to paint?
*Primaris Marine walks through the halls*
"So, why are you called silver skulls?"
*Looks at a wall*
"Ohhhhhhhh......"
I like the part of the book ‘Dark Imperium’ is where an Iron Warriors and Silver Skulls are shooting at each other, it reminds me of the Spider-man meme where he is pointing at the other Spider-Man.
Monkegh Thirtyfour At least Ahriman and the sentient 1000 sons weren’t hostile and actually politely complimented that Blood Raven Librarian about his colour scheme and fetching Cordivae insignia (!) then some “knife eared sweat goblin made out of failure” jumped out of nowhere and be headed him before the genuinely upset and nostalgic Ahriman could help him clear up some family genealogical mysteries as a favour for helping him invade the Black Library :(
@@Maxibon2007 what book is this story in?
SilverSkullGamer Dawn of War ‘Tempest’
@@Maxibon2007 who is that wretched .....beheaded the librarian
Iron Warriors fighting Iron Warriors. Nothing even out of the ordinary. Ha
I do love the Sliver Skulls and I do firmly believe they are Loyalist descendants of the Iron Warriors since the similarities are very close to each other
I think this makes the IV Legion the only one with two loyalist chapters: The Minotaurs and the Silver Skulls.
Perturabo really pissed his sons of.
Actually I think it has been speculated that the gene-seed of the Minotaurs might be world eater or night lords mainly how brutal the chapter is.
Also it occurs to me that the only traitor legion that has not been speculated to have loyalist successor chapters are the Luna Wolves/sons of horus/black legion.
I mean he wasn't the only Primarch who's Legion who hated him, but he was the only Primarch who's Legion basically felt abandoned even with him there.
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 I know this has been 8 months but I literally watched a discussion on Minotaurs gene seed origins and you are half right The speaker concluded since the Minotaurs have "Chimeric" gene seed and are part of the Cursed founding the two most likely origins are preheresy world eaters and Iron Warriors.
Brutal
Vicious combatants
Do not deviate from the goals despite hardship and casualties
Disregard non Minotaurs pretty utterly in their battle plans
Follow security protocols obsessively
Paranoid
So about a 50/50 mix.
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 I don't see minotaurs being night lord scions, but do see iron warriors and world eaters
Well, at least some of them must've seen the irony of Perturabo rebelling against what he considered an uncaring father who treated his sons as tools
Really liked Dantioh in Unremembered Empire. Especially the part where he reconciles with an Imperial Fist to turn Macragge into the ultimate siege work.
We need a scene where Guilliman meets the Silver Skulls, and just KNOWS they aren't really his sons but decides to ignore that fact because they're good, loyal Astartes.
That would be hard as he even had a hard time seeing the ultramarine as his sons.
@@FireRevanShadow Right. He treated Calgar horribly despite everything Calgar did for the Imperium. I was certain Calgar was going to turn traitor from the abuse before he opted to cross the rubricon. I chalk that up to Guilliman being extra hard on his sons, hating the idea that even his sons could sink to dogmatic thinking without him leading them.
As for the Silver Skulls, maybe by the time Rowboat Girlyman meets them he'll be a bit past that shock of finding the Imperium and Ultramar in its present state.
"I wish to speak to my 'sons' alone."
The room clears of all minus him and the skulls.
"Your father was an ass... But you are alright. My 'sons.' "
@@professorsponge1554 he can't turn traitor because that wouldn't work with marketting for now
@@Toto-95 Its where I thought Calgar's story was going before he went Primaris. Guilliman was treating Calgar like dirt after he got done with his ultra-nap.
All Space Marines descend from a Primarch.
All Primarchs descend from the Emperor.
'Nuff said about their heritage.
Let's get back to purging Xenos!
give this man a planet to start raising soldiers
Lord Bloodraven preach !! This man speaks the truth. May the Emperor himself bless you for your noble actions.
Agreed. # Signed by a still loyal member of the XV #
And this marine corps descends from which primarch?
Ah, but WHICH primarch?
(Cocks boltor)
They don't like working with potential traitors.
"Until the stain has been lifted from our chapter's honor, the truth of our genetic heritage must remain a secret."
"And when will the stain be lifted, Brother?"
"When every last one of our traitorous brothers has been slain and our gene-sire's skull has been crushed by his own hammer."
Source?
@@rjaredm Just something I made up.
This should be in a movie or something.
...that's my fuckin hammer!!!
@@shdwfx40001 and it's a pretty one
I don't care were the gene-seed comes from as long their loyal to the Imperium and The Emperor of Mankind.
Unfortunately, the IoM itself is far from being so forgiving.
We need a scene in TTS where an innocent silver skull wanders past Rogal Dorn politely hailing him and He goes all “Magnus when Space Wolves are mentioned” and has to be ironically calmed down by Magnus
Drop that on Alfabusa.
"WILL YOU BALL AND SHRIE- Why am I so angry?"
This sadly didn't age well.
frankly considering that the Silver Skulls are meant to be founded by those Iron Warriors under Barabas Dantioch, then it is more likely that they would be cool with the Imperial Fists and with Dorn in general as they hated Perturabo more far more for being an awful father, a horrible commander and a traitor (specially considering how Dantioch had a close frienship with Alexis Polux an Imperial Fist Captain and the founder and first Chapter Master of the Crimson Fist Chapter).
Its most likely the Silver Skulls are the loyalist remnants of the Iron Warriors traitor legion who fled to Ultramar to rejoin the Imperium. Guilliman most likely would have accepted these newcomers, gave them new weapons, armour and asked them what they would want to be known by. Dantioch probably looked at his own helmet and said "How about the Silver Skulls?" Guiliman would have then contacted Terra, told Malcador he has loyalists from the Iron Warriors legion who have pledged their services to the Imperium and they have taken up a new name. He probably would have also asked if it were possible if the Silver Skulls could be labelled as an Ultramarine's successor army to ensure the newly created Chapter could be safe from prosecution.
Depending on the timing, the order could of been:
'Oh these guys? Totes a brand new Ultramarine successor chapter, yep, don't question it, they're definitely my guys, not Iron, so codex compliant, HEY WHATS THAT OVER THERE IT'S A XENOS LET'S GO.'
Unfortunately Dantioch doesn't live to see the second founding. So if anything maybe they are named in his honor but I don't think he would have any direct connection in their founding.
@@Kameth Guilliman probably didn't want to see good men die so he decided to lie about who their primarch was and claim them as a successor chapter to allow them to serve the Imperium as loyal astartes once more.
it is all but confirmed that he absorbed the remnants of the 2nd and 11h legions. business as usual I guess...
Also, Malacador died way before the second founding
@@SgtThiel it's EVERYTHING BUT confirmed that the Ultramrines took in any lost legion troops. That rumor was started by a butt hurt traitor Legionaire. The author of that particular book even came out and said the character had no basis in fact to make that conclusion.
FYI, the Iron Warriors had the largest number of surviving loyalists at the start of Heresy. Perturobo tended to exile those who often times refused to die pointlessly for him (as Dantioch said when retreating against the Hrud time warping/aging a planet to literal dust, 'Iron that does not bend, breaks and shatters'). When Istvaan III happened there very few loyalist Iron Warriors left in main Crusade fleets. So when the Heresy came there were garrisons of exiled/banished Iron Warriors all over the galaxy. Working hard to fulfill their duty of protecting their worlds as ordered. When orders came down to betray the EoM, some followed their Primarch into damnation. Others stayed neutral, but the majority stayed loyal.
The Blood Ravens feel your pain loyal warriors of mankind.
I bet they feel "their" pain, because they stole that too !
@@kevinshort3943 Hm. If the Blood Ravens stole the Chaos-ness of all the Daemon Primarchs, would that lead them to returning to their father's side? Or at least choosing to oppose Chaos?
How could that ever occur oh great marine...how could one ever feel pain through that imposing and extremely thick plot armor 😂
Yes......we feel ur pain.....
I remember reading somewhere that the Silver Skulls' spiritual aspect comes from the fact that they almost exclusively recruit from feral worlds. Back in the day, I thought it was cool that the homeworld's of the warriors could have such a deep impact on a chapter's identity. Even if they were Ultras, I liked that they stood apart so dramatically because they weren't civilized like their genebrothers.
Them being Iron Warriors works too, I guess.
Well Dantioch already worshipped the Emperor back during the Horus Heresy and the Silver Skulls came from his loyalist Iron Warriors, so it is very likely that he influenced them and that they carried on these practices maybe even mixing them with the cultural practices of the recruits of their homeworld.
Good guy Guilliman, covering-up for standing-up astartes
whoa my art was used in this video COOOL
Which art was yours?
You have beautiful art
@@williamsouthworth9707 this one www.deviantart.com/earltheartist/art/Space-Marine-Rogue-Trader-40k-Silver-Skulls-742459770
@@andrewvincent89 thank you it still blows my mind
Been 8 months but I love the design of that chain sword! Really stands out, Like it could be a relic of the dark age of technology with its smooth futuristic look vs what we usually see.
Also go Beakie Gang
18:17 "...with many chappels dedicated to him being errected..."
That is some upstanding dedication ;D
Swear I've seen this video uploaded before. Edit: Love that you got Snip to voice Prognosticator Bhehan at 15:06
It's an update and remaster (as stated in the video description) :)
I’ve long want to know what happened to those marines who stayed loyal to the Emperor there must of been thousands despite the traitors best efforts .. even if the Silver skulls where iron warriors descendants they have been redeemed in the eyes of the imperium so what dies it matter ?
The inquisition or Eclesiarchy might not like it. Especially in the "Carrion Throne" the way the Eclesiarchy twists the story of the Hersey would just mind break their followers. Remember even with a primarch being active in the Imperium it's still multiple organizations working with each other.
Drop Site Massacre happened unfortunately. While the loyalists that survived seem to increase with each book release, I believe canon states the vast majority died there.
Most either died in the war, were adopted by the Grey Knights, were purged in the scouring or died peacefully without ever being able to create a chapter
I really do enjoy this idea, especially since it would mean the loyalists Primarchs knew these hidden loyalists would be judged for their genatic heritage. So aforementioned Primarchs willing became there "adoptive parents" so they would be accepted into the wider Imperium.
love the channel 40k theories, got a particular soft spot for genetic heritage videos/theories, find them so interesting. keep up the good work! :)
Spoiler Alert :
They are the descendants of loyalist Iron Warriors.
It may matter from a historical record's perspective but does it truly matter given that they are the loyal soldiers of the Emperor?
Well it matters because *BLAM*
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The Imperium can be backwards feudalistic and superstitious, "Sins of the father..." "tainted blood", etc. With the Horus Heresy fresh in memory, a convenient lie may have preserved more fighting men and unity than a sincere, rational explanation.
I would like to point out another similarity between Dorn and Perturabo. Both have supper badass and loyal sons whom the gene-fathers absolutely despise.
You'r voice sounds like it has a lot of body! Listening to your videos over the years, listening to you get better and better with a presenters voice!
Sounding really good dude!
Khorne gladly accepts their contirbution to the skull throne.
Gotta love these lore videos man absolutely hooked on learning more of the 40k universe. Though I gotta ask what is the music in the background as you start narrating the silver skulls lore I know I heard it somewhere before but would love the title of it.
Wouldnt be a good morning without my dose of 40k theories!
Best channel by far
Could also be from the second or eleventh legion, since they were absorbed into the Ultramarines who were later split up into chapters. That would make a lot of sense with not only Silver Skulls but others as well.
The only issue with that is we don't know what specialization those two Legions had.
Yes, that was my thought too. There must be quite a few 'descendant' chapters of the Ultramarines who were in fact from the 2nd or 11th. As the Emperor and Guilliman knew of and approved the original absorption into the Ultras, The Silver Skulls and others, would simply be Guilliman's adopted sons, as it were. No shame necessary.
@@mouseketeery We don't know that either, for all we know the 2nd and 11th did something beyond mere betrayal. Something so awful the Emporer wouldn't even need to enforce an edict of silence for the Primarchs to never want to discuss it again.
Please stop spreading that rumor. Even the BL writers said that this 'rumor' was spoken by a traitor Legionaires out of jealousy of the Ultramarines.
@@SilverSkullGamer the word bearers discuss this rumor among themselves in the first heretic. it is a rumor even there but if it exists it might have a bit of truth to it
What a great video. Not big on the Silver Skulls but I may change course after this video
With the Ultramarines' habit of adopting loyalist elements of traitor legions as their own successor chapters and the fact that the distinctly not Ultramarine-y Rainbow Warriors are somehow a 2nd founding chapter I have a theory that one of the missing primarchs was fron a planet of Space Aztecs and the Rainbow Warriors are remnants of his lost legion.
I feel that Rainbow Warriors are World Eater Successors
The Silver Skulls are Loyalist Iron Warriors and you can't change my mind.
They are my favorite chapter and no amount of GWS descending on high and just making all the cool chapters 'akcutchllley' part of the Ultramarines is horrendous.
These guys would be a peek into what could have been if Peter Turbo had some decency along with his genius and had stayed loyal.
Very great video as always 40k Theories.
Could you do a theory based around the 21st Founding? Like, how the Chapters created were perhaps prototype Primaris? Sons of Antaeus and Lamenters strike me as the most prevalent examples of it.
Here is a interesting idea with some of these legions that either have unknown/undisclosed heritage, or ones that seem to share characteristics with two or more legions (not really sure we have seen that yet though.). What if some of these were chapters that had the gene-seed of several chapters of different Primarchs spliced together, this would warrant them being harder to pin down a heritage on, and why the records either would be hard to find or sealed to many people.
Yeah that's been discussed; it's called Chimeric Gene-seed. It's been all but confirmed that the Carcharodons are a mix of Night Lords and Raven Guard.
it sounds over complicated. only chaos marines do this thanks to warp corruption making gene seed unusable.
it is more likely that they have marines from different primarchs in the same chapter. either that or they are 2nd and 11th legion descendants
@@SgtThiel It is quite over-complicated; the creation of Chimeric Gene-Seed is one of the theories as to why most of the Chapters from the 21st founding are defective in one way or another. It is likely the Adeptus Biologicus did some tampering with Gene-Seed during this time
@@SgtThiel it might be complicated, but we do have the primaris marines as well, which is kinda complicated. it could be interesting if it was shown,or hinted at that the chimeric gene-seed project had ties to these marines, like attempting to use them to weed out the defects in the existing gene-seeds an improve on them. Both have been around or possibly done for awhile in lore.
"13th Legion of the Legiones Astasrtes, Ultramarines" Remleiz has been spending time with Occula Imperialis I see
Really useful, I’ve been thinking of using the silver skulls for my kill team. If I also make an iron warriors team there is a good grudge match there.
Personally, I really like the idea of them being descendants of loyalist elements of the Iron Warriors because it shows a genuine brotherhood and sense of comradery. So often now it's heretic this traitor that, the thought of some people high up enough in the chain of command having enough honor and integrity to do something to dignify those who stood with them and fight on their side makes the 40k universe just slightly lighter shade of black.
When in doubt, and they don't have weird eyes, weird skin, or weird growths, call them smurfs.
One thing that has to be mentioned is Alexis Pollux friendship with Dantioch. The obvious IW imagery of the Silver Skulls can be explained by how Pollux would never allow Barabas Dantioch's heroism to be hidden from the imperium
Besides the case of Barbarus and the second dude there is the third case of Narik Dreygur called "The Gravewalker" he remained loyal to the Emperor with help from the Iron Dragon or Cassian Vaugh of the Salamanders
I don t know exactly if besides him there were other astartes under his command but i don t think there were
I didn't know this chapter existed and they're so badass
my theory is an amalgamation of several groups of loyal iron warriors formed the chapter. My guess is most of them had joined with the ultramines, but some had joined with other legions (the white scars especially) and thus the chapter has influences from those legions.
I do love to assume the Silver Skulls were seeded by the loyalist remains of the Iron Warriors, Dantioch's legacy. ...and the fact that the gene stock is so stable and pure, makes me laugh a little. Theoretically, a pat on the back could have turned the tide of the entire Horus Heresy and reshaped the Imperium as we know it.
“From iron cometh strength
From strength cometh will
From will cometh faith
From faith cometh honor
From honor cometh iron
This is the Unbreakable Litany. May it forever be so"
Loyalists from traitor legions are always the coolest lore to delve into in 40k
I want it allowed for the creation of traitor primaris chapters. Like have some we dont know but it becomes to lame that thats what they always do. I get it. Its mysterious but at some point thats weak. Crawl make some traitor chapters and let us and the empire know.
We have Primaris Blood Ravens, don't we?
Why would Chaos need primaris?
Chaos doesnt need primaris when the chaos gods can just empower their Astartes with boons and chaos artifacts/chaos enchanted gear, DUH!
Chaos basically already have primaris in the form of the possessed (Chaos Astartes that have been possessed by daemons).
But I think it would be cool if you took some traitor legion geneseed (nightlords) and used them to make primaris night lords that would be loyal to the imperium of man.
@@snakeyman5560 Scary Marines time
I mean traitor stock used for the creation of loyal chapters.
It was the redeemed iron warriors
One other possibility is that they are Ultramarines from before the Heresy but not actually scions actually one of the two lost chapters seeing as all the theories concerning Ultramarines having absorbed those legions (having 3 times the marines than other legions etc). Then that leads to the idea that maybe the Silver Skulls are showing some of the traits of their original legion.
You should do the steel Confessors next
There really needs to be way way way more white scars stuff, just everywhere generally. They're so cool and interesting
Like in the Heresy they had a civil war
Ask Cawl He knows all the chapters nasty little secrets
I really want them to be genetically Iron Warriors, it's the main reason I started collecting them.
The silver skulls : prognosticators, Divinations and trophy head takers . Melee beasts ?
Is the funeral moon the same as a tomb world?
Maybe they are descendants from Angron. They honor their opponents, take battle trophies, recognize the importance of tactics without being bound by it. Sounds a bit like the way they implied Angron would be had the Nails not mangled his mind.
I know that the evidence doesn't seem to support this, but they sound like descendants of the Word Bearers to me.
Given their devotion to the idea that the Emperor of Man is a God, that was where my first guess ran to, as well.
Fuck you and all that nonsense! Hell no!
That and the fact that they hide information about their origins from Inquisitors. It just gives the air the faintest hint of *Heresy ™* don't you think? 🤔
The Word Bearers were slowly purging their loyalist members for over 50 years before the Istvaan. They didn't have any significant Loyalist factions left by the time they officially turned traitor
I think maybe they are a chapter from Magnus maybe? They use future sight and omens and they put pshykers on a pedestal. I dunno just a theory
I imagine Barbarus’s surviving loyal ironwarriors founded Silverskulls...... but used ultramarine geneseed in subsequent generations in aspirants , and phased out iron warrior geneseed....... so genetically they are ultramarines , but culturally have a degree of ironwarriors in them.
I think that final scene is just the paranoia in the geneseed flaw.
I wonder if the Silver skulls are (in the current timeline) fully iron warriors or entirely ultramarines or a mixture of both.
Personally, they should go ask the ultramarine primarch himself since he no doubt was there when the second founding occured and can very well verified or disprove their fears. I am surprised they didn't ask when or if he has met them to provide them Primaris forces.
These guys and the mortifactors would get along so well.
The Silver Skulls really do be that one chic with a closet full of crystals who you invited to a party but goes "the tarot cards say..."
The head thingy, kinda makes me think of the white scars. -_-'
Your chain of evidence is most convincing. I see no clear flaw in the reasoning, other than the reliability (in world) of some of the sources.
If they are Iron Warriors descendants, I'd like a story where Guilliman meets those Silver Skulls in the know and privately adopts them as his sons due to their 10'000 years of loyalty.
Fuck Guillimans Loyalty, Emperor first and always
Did the video about the Charcaradons taken down?
Yes. The updated and remastered version goes live next week. It'll be almost 3 times as long.
40K Theories neat
As soon as that bit about the chapter master changing his name came up Alpharius came to mind. I swear I'm not trying to meme but come on. Still there are more points in favor of the Iron warriors but it does beg the question, where did that name come from.
My money is on them being a Chimeric Chapter of White Scars and the Word Bearers.
Part of one of the lost legions?
Am I the only one who thinks it’s dumb the place the spiritual well-being of your chapter in the hands of someone who is literally always at risk of being influenced/possessed by demons??
Some in the chapter are starting to feel the same way. In 'Portents' that is left as a future point of contention for the Chapter.
This makes me wonder if a chapter originally descend from from one legion but claim a different heritage, wouldnt that mean they would have chimeric gene-seed?
Assuming that they have harvested gene-seed from both fallen and living space marines from the Horus Heresy that would be pure 4th legion stock. They then get absorbed by the 13th and then get shipments of their gene-seed. Meaning that if they might have chimeric gene-seed.
Any thoughts on them being constituted by Loyalists from the XVII Legion-the Word Bearers? While Lorgar had thoroughly purged his legion prior to the Horus Heresy, it is possible there may have been some members at some distant outpost, that escaped those purges. A more likely possibility, though, is that it may have been founded by Word Bearers abandoned on Calth. Part of the reason for the assault on Calth was to cull those elements of the legion Lorgar felt to be unreliable.
What aspects of the Silver Skulls are reminiscent of the Word Bearers. The most obvious one is worshipping the Emperor as a literal god. The Tri-Fold Crown chapter had a skull as their insignia and specialized in attritional warfare, much like the Iron Legion. Post-Heresy, the Dark Apostles hold a great deal of influence and use divination to determine what course of action they'll undertake. The Word Bearers also liked grandiose and symbolic actions: the taking of skulls and plating them in silver fits with that.
I find it plausible that a group of Word Bearers might not have been fully on board with Lorgar's new direction for the legion. While not obvious enough to be purged in the decades leading up to the Heresy, they were deemed unreliable enough to be sent to Calth to be culled. Perhaps they believed that the admonishment from the Emperor was a test and came to believe on Calth that the XVII Legion had failed that test, turning against their brothers.
Of course, that's all speculation. I know that many feel that the Word Bearers are the one Traitor Legion which is least likely to have any Loyalist elements due to their fanaticism and connection to Lorgar, Zardu Layak betrayed Lorgar at Ullanor, showing it was possible for some of his gene sons to doubt his vision. While I wouldn't expect many of the XVII Legion to maintain or return to their worship of the Emperor, rejecting Chaos, I do think the Silver Skulls are a candidate for such a group.
You know they could be made up of World Bearers from Terra, before they found Lorgar, and after he was found and tried introducing religion just bailed.
I believe they are loyalist sons of the iron warriors, but does it really matter as long as they are loyal and praise big E?
Is this a reupload, I swear I’ve see this video before
Mr. Depressed yes
So im not the only one
Mr. Depressed the description said that this has updated and additional information
It's an updated and remastered version with higher quality audio and additional information, making it about 10 minutes longer than the original
It's not a re-upload it's a free DLC pack 😏
1:45 - Much like an Iron Father is a mix of Chaplin and Techmarine. | 3:36 - (Monotone) All hail Big Papa Ultrasmurf. | Yeah...they're basically loyalist Iron Warriors disguised as Ultrasmurfs, much like the Blood Ravens are supposedly the sons of Spiky Tits...although that's unconfirmed. (they might as well be chimeric between Blood Angels and the Raven guard) | 10:30 - So, he's pale, even by the standards of those psychopathic "Robins"? | That Inquisitor was clearly a radical, as neither the Space Wolves, nor the Grey Knights were sent to wipe them out.
Always love that everyone figures they have to be Iron Warriors descendants. Mostly because "They have a skull icon!". Though honestly their collecting of skulls and dipping them in silver is STRAIGHT out of the White Scars playbook. Which is far more exacting evidence to me than a chapter emblem looking like a skull... which is common iconography in the Imperium.
But even so, I never buy the fact that a gene seed controls character. The presence/lack of mutations and flaws, yet. But not like everyone who has an Ultramarine Lineage has a Greeco-Roman culture. Quite the opposite in examples like the Red Consuls and Novamarines. So a lack of a mutation or flaw on their part eliminates some like Sanguinius, Dorn, Leman Russ, etc. But beyond that? Anyone who lacks a specific mutation from Salamanders (Their mutations is supposed to be a result of living on Nocturne after all, not a seed flaw) to Dark Angels to Ultmarines, etc.
Though plenty of things I could think of that that the report might have been to result in Civil War beyond Traitor Stock. For example it's revealed that the original Chapter Fortress-Monastery of the Silver Skulls had fallen to a major Nurglite daemonic incursion. Something that required (in a short story) them to team up with their hated Eldar foe to combat (Craftworlders, though it reveals the Silver Skulls had no knowledge of the difference between Craftworld and Dark Eldar when telepathically communing with the Eldar Farseer).
In fact speaking of that story, the Prognosticator felt such shame over willingly aiding the Eldar to defeat the Nurgle Greater Daemon at the heart of the fortress-monastery that he demanded penance afterwards. Meaning a potential alliance/action along side the eldar the chapter took (or even that the eldar presence in their sector was somehow the Silver Skull's fault considering how much they loathe them completely now) could have been it.
I dunno, I just see a lot of decent reasons why it wouldn't necessarily be loyalist Iron Warriors but the reasons it supposedly would be suspect.
Though on the topic of Traitors claiming to be from Guilliman... I do remember an interesting short story. Where a world had found a relic. The bolt pistol of the primarch who had liberated their world during the Great Crusade. Said to be the Bolt Pistol of Guilliman. They were going to turn it into some big pilgrim attraction. An astartes team alongside a Rogue Trader infiltrated that world to capture and destroy that relic. Turns out the planet only thought it was liberated by Guilliman, it was actually liberated by Horus Lupercal and it was Horus's personal bolt pistol uncovered. After the Heresy people just claimed it was Guilliman instead of admitting any sort of connection to the arch traitor.
So that is points towards the whole Traitors getting claimed as Guilliman line. And it makes me wonder, just because it's me, if the legendary results of the Ultramarines in lore, complying more worlds than any other legion supposedly, was mostly a case of post hoc claiming of worlds that had been liberated by anything from Luna Wolves to Night Lords who didn't want the reputation right after the Heresy.
Also Chirmarech Geneseed exists as well
..... He gave MANY explanations. They are siege specialists.
Well they're not necessarily siege specialists in their stories. In fact if they had any specialization (they really don't, they're Codex Complaint-ish basically), it'd have been in the use of Librarians as Prognosticators are center to... well everything they do.
But I was referring mostly to well... look at the other comments in this video who are all like "They use a skull icon. Iron Warriors Confirmed" more or less. It's the common thought line. Even though Skull Iconography they wear has a lot of other possible explanations (including looking like a Dark Eldar symbol as the Dark Eldar are their favored targets and they do have a headhunting theme right out of the White Scars playbook. No one seems to mention or remember their chief enemy is Dark Eldar and the similarity there in the design over the Iron Warriors comparison).
@@hitomisalazar4073 It is worth noting that the Silver Skulls novel "Portents" does state that the reason the chapter was chosen for a particular campaign was specifically due to them being siege breakers.
_Your Chapter have a good reputation, my lord. As noble warriors and siege breakers. You can provide us with the assistance we need to tear down the walls of Valoris City and then provide Valoria with the strength it needs to drive the shadows from the Emperor’s shining star_
The novel even shows that the chapter makes use of the (seemingly unique) rank of 'Siege-Captain' for such conflicts.
_Kerelan had received contact from Siege Captain Daviks that his company had just landed and should be deployed within what the stoic captain referred to as a short time_
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So Silver Skulls have Librarian/Chaplain hybrids called Prognosticators, Space Wolves have Chaplain/Apothecary hybrids called Wolf Priests and Iron Hands have Techmarine/Chaplain hybrids called Iron Fathers... So are there any other cannon hybrid specialist officers?
Librarian/Techmarine? Techmarine/Apothecary? Apothecary/Librarian?
might be better to post vidieos at a time that isn't 12am/24 EST. for the sake of the algorithm, praised be its name.
I definitely think they are Loyalist descendants of Iron Warriors. To many similarities between the two for them to be yet another successor of Rowboat Girlyman
I can imagine the Word Bearers going REEEEEEEEE!
whenever Crawl classifies a the primarch above everyone's clearance you know he did something sneaky, wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the "Ultramarine" second foundlings were just loyalist members of traitor legions. (some would need a different cover like loyalist Night Lords (AKA Space Sharks)
They worship the Emperor as a god, have similar Chaplain-Librarius practices and the use of "Argentius" (deriving from silver), mirrors the use of "Aurelian" (deriving from gold). No comment on the Word Bearers?
Any loyal chapters that are confirmed to have come from traitor stock?
All hail the magic conch!
That's what I love about games workshop they leave a lot to us to fill in
I have a question about hybrid gene seed anyone wanna help me out.
This question is very deep and complex. It's almost like I can't see it.
@@FireRevanShadow good one my question is that, is there any chapter with the hybrid gene seed of a loyalist chapter and a traitor chapter?
Capt. Fuzzy The Space Sharks are thought to be a mix of Night Lord and Raven Guard heritage. They could have hybrid gene seed of Curze and Corax.
@@a40kweeb36 So the most edgy chapter to ever been made?
42 42 I'd argue that Space Sharks aren't the edgiest chapter. Don't get me wrong they're Edgy but some of the shit descendants of the Bloodangels get up to is pretty fucked up.
ladies guys are some iron Warriors to begin with I believe the space sharks are sent from the night Lords
Space Marine spies seems kinda silly. They stand out.
If I would get a chance to be a space marine
It would be silver skulls or star phantoms
Same name: imperial fists
Spiritual: could be any, maybe space wolves
Headhunters: night lords or world eaters
Zealotry: word bearers
Purity of geneseed: this can be faked through careful cultivation
Honestly I'm gonna go for an outside chance and say either Imperial Fists or Iron Warriors. A broken off piece that made their own culture and standards.
could they be a word bearers successor? judging purely on the religious connotation
40k Theroies; are all marine heritage questions the result of the staggering incompetence of the imperium at large and specifically its bureaucracy?
Definitely Iron Warriors. The Imperium plays it really fast and loose with their records, so I bet there are TONS of traitor legion loyalist chapters out there, as well as chimeric chapters having several sources. Somebody burned the records before the secret got out. You don't need to be the son of a traitor to turn renegade, so what does it really matter? We've got shark dudes and werewolves fighting in the name of the Emperor. Is it really a problem that Perturabo had a few sons running around doing some good?
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What are you talking about? The Blood Angels and their sucessor chapters are also true believers of the Imperial Cult. Dark Angels also worship the God Emperor although they do so with a totally active and direct approach to his will.
According to their Index Astartes article, the Dark Angels do not follow the Imperial Cult. While they venerate the Emperor they view him as just a man and not a god.
15:03 Hi Wib
Personally i like the idea they were in honour of the loyalist Iron Warriors so they are Ultramarines but they are made to honour the loyalist when they were founded and they were also made as a sort of insult to the tratior iron warriors