KICK TARGET PANIC in the D**K // IT STOPS HERE
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- KICK TARGET PANIC in the D**K // IT STOPS HERE.. Dan Staton of Elk Shape goes through his best practices learned from mr Joel Turner of Shot IQ. Joel specializes in helping cure the dreaded target panic in archery. This video is a great starting point to help cure up that dreaded panic. #ElkShape #SHOTIQ #joelturner
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Glad to see I made the Target Panci highlight reel in this video. I am Sam! I can now say I no longer punch my trigger!!!
JT online course absolutely saved archery for me…I went from a huge case of target panic to a controlled shot sequence every time.
glad it helped!
I have been working on this for over a year and what I have found that helps me is When in “practice” not hunting… I have a limit to my process. I know that if I say my mantra 2 times and it hasn’t gone off I let down. I work to try and have fewer let downs each time. Definitely concentrating on letting go surprise shots instead of hitting the center. I also purchased a carter evolution20 and set it deep. Making it a struggle to go off. I switch back and forth between the carter and my wise guy index and it seems to be working great. I shot a 3D tournament last weekend and only forced 1 shot the whole day. Love watching you guys and seeing that it’s not just me having to work at this everyday.
Really appreciated the timing of this video. Been trigger punching like a fiend and I'm taking a class with Joel Turner next weekend through a local shop. I've been distracted in recent months with other things, but this video has got me excited and focused on improving my archery performance again. Your channel has been a great inspiration for improving both archery and general fitness.
I'm definitely a trigger slapper... got called on it at my bow shop, but still had success. Like you I wouldn't think of shooting over 40 yards. I will MOST definitely be working to pull through to elevate my range!
word up! keep at it
Every year, after the last deer season or whatever the last hunt I go on is, I go straight back to basics. Work on pulling and back tension up close, go through the whole process over. And then start extending range. Even if I feel like I might take a step back half way through the year I will go back a couple of steps and refresh, gain control then get back after it. 3 finger Carter insatiable is what I shoot
keep at it G
I was skeptical about the hinge. But I did eventually get one, and I’m working with it now. And I think it’s definitely helping me make improvements
100% my anxiety controlling my shot, it's a daily battle, but Jacob is going to win! You guys are the bomb, and love the solid info you spread! Love watching Tim grow and preform in archery, gave me the confidence to do it, and know I can do it! Thanks for always sharing.
you got it bud!!
I'm a trad recurve archer through and through, but I enjoy your videos man. There is a lot of crossover between our two disciplines. I realize punching the trigger is alot like me yanking my arm back when the arrow lines up where I want it to be on my recurve. I punch a string and this made something click for me that has been negatively affecting my groupings for a long time. Appreciate your content man, keep it up! My largest obstacle was a frayed infraspinatus tendon in my bow arm that hurt me for the last 1.5 years before I finally rehabbed it up to this point. Now it's perfecting small form and building up endurance on my 50lb bow.
I've been chewing up and gorging on all things archery, lately. From you, MFJJ, Jon D., the guys from Bow Only Outdoors, etc....it's a grind but always worth the bench and range time. Cheers
student of the game
As someone who has 1 nearby archery shop, and almost everyone seems to trigger punch where I live, thanks for the videos. It is difficult though having to effectively teach myself how to do this.
it is hard, but worth the work!
The episode when Jake made a circle with his thumb and index has made a difference in my accuracy. I have been practicing that small change and it allowed me to slow down my shot process completely. Great videos!
word!
Adrian,...do you remember the title of that vid where Jake made a circle w/his thumb? THANK YOU
I love my stan perfx for practicing. Being able to put it in practice mode and hold on target and slowly pull until the click is a big help.
love it!
I really appreciate how positive you are and how you’re bringing in so many different guys to teach. Keep it up! I’m not even a hunter and I enjoy watching your stuff. #JoelTurner.
Always putting out the best content! Keep killing it guys🇺🇸
thank you we try hard!
Wow. Crazy Good Stuff. Redid my shot starting in Feb after watching you guys! I’m shooting the best I ever have. I never know exactly when it’s going off!!!!!
glad to hear it dude!
Great video, this info is great stuff, I don't think people realize how many other archers struggle with this because most won't say anything about it, I actually quit archery and sold everything in 2009-2010 because of it. I'm in the process of trying to save $$ to buy a setup to get back into so my son and I can spend time together shooting 3d in the back yard.
I’ve shot a Scott Little Goose the entire time I’ve shot archery. I love that thing I have so much confidence in it and in my set up. I’m learning to not punch the trigger and try to squeeze it off for a clean break! Thanks for all the informational videos you guys are awesome!
Try the like mike 2. I shot the little goose for years. Man I'm telling you, the difference in a positive way is life changing. Don't get me wrong, do you bro, but if you're gonna shoot index the like mike 2 is the best you'll ever shoot
@@mikeguy9668 will definitely look into it!
@@bigarmer they're expensive but it's the last one you'll buy. If you live in oklahoma you can try mine lol
I'm making the jump! This video just put it over the top for me. Handheld here I come! Tension release here I come.
After botching a shot on a nice velvet 3x3 mule deer in Colorado, and sending one over a nice chocolate antlered public land whitetails back several days ago, I am here.
always bringing great content, keep up the good work guys!
I’m new to archery, but because of all of the Joel shorts and what you guys have preached, I have been good so far (knock on wood). Great video, and loved the title lol
I'm currently working on switching to left hand shooting because I've been using the wrong eye since I was 6, 21 now, haven't shot since I was 14. Apart of this change I've picked up a Stan Onnex resistant release and have been using a shot trainer. My new bow arrives next month and I'll be working on pulling back 60lb the other way...
I hold low, raise up and punch. A hinge! My next step is the Shot IQ course by Joel Turner.
One obstacle is the purchasing a handheld release, dang their not cheap. But for real, I have a trigger release and I’m really trying to keep that thumb wrapped around that peg and to keep pulling before the pin starts going somewhere els. Great videos, great advice, just great 👍
for sure they are more expensive!
Shooting competitive firearms helps you totally avoid this dilemma. It did for me. It teaches you to let your sights float over the target and not flinch.
Biggest obstacle in the archery game…the price lol
That’s why started using a hinge the best thing I’ve done bow hunting.
word!!
right now I'm so damn trigger punch drunk and can relate to your early day archery experience. So frustrating!!!!! I think I need to start at 5 yards literally to try this control break process. It sure in the hell can't hurt!
It’s tough but you can work through it
Great info channel 👌🏻. Awesome intro 🇺🇸
Much appreciated!
@@ElkShape my pleasure boet👌🏻🇺🇸
I live a little south east of Boise ID. Biggest thing I'm working on is combating this incessent wind we have lol
appreciate you!
I think a lot of the anxiety comes from not being in good physical condition, and worrying about losing your draw because of your lack of physical fitness.
A super important part of this getting AWAY from true punching any release is to have it set up for you. This can and should take a lot of time because there are so many variables. Eventually you can/will find what works best to achieve a “CONTROLLED SHOT CYCLE”, not a command style but controlled from the moment you set your feet in the right position. There are many videos to learn various release set ups-Josh Bowmar, “ bow only outdoors “, nock on with John Dudley.?? There many vids on how to retrain your mindset.
I must be the odd duck. Built a surprise shot about 6 years ago. Have slowly gotten worse over time. Lots and lots of shaking while at full draw. Went back to commanding and shooting better.
Joel likes to use the term controlled.. it’s ok to know it’s going off
Awesome video Dan. Im a huge fan..
I just wanted to share some issues ive encountered shooting in town, in my yard.
Long story short.. im not allowed to anymore because of the neighbors concerns and the bylaw in my town.
But my advice is you never know..
What im getting at is the section of fence you have just behind the targets.. id recommend adding a higher addition to that section of the fence so it protects the house behind it and the windows..
Just incase. If somwthing happens even being a pro it would be the end of your shooting in your yard.
Youll wish you had that extra protection above the top fence line.. even just 30ft..
From left to right adding on some height to the fence.
I would just hate to see you not be able to shoot in you yard, cause it pains me that I'm not allowed to, it
sucks.
Love your videos. Keep em coming.
Its made me a way better archery following you guys!
Say hi to Josh for me!!
Awesome video! Definitely a common thing behind the string to work on 👌
word!
Thank you so much for this video, can´t wait to try this out!! :) i´m shooting an index finger release because of an injured shoulder, so I have a problem with "pulling" But I think that the way you explain it, that I might make it work. :) :) :)
For new shooters trying to learn the concept of pull with your rombloid muscles get true ball element it works off of holding weight and how much pressure you aply with the back muscles there is no way to punch this release and it is in my opinion the best target archery release ever made it can only be fired by pulling into the draw stops of the bow so there’s no worries about staying active on a thumb botton or hinge release you can shoot those like the element but it requires more dicaplin watch some videos on it and check it out I’m going to be shooting it at Lancaster 2023 watch the 15 to 17 class shoot downs I’ll be there shooting that release and I want to do a shoot off with bodie I believe I’m one of the only 15 year olds able to keep up with him so we’re going to find out in a few months
Get it doooood
I’m sorry that sounds very cocky I should have rephrased that there are plenty of kids are age that can give bodie a run for his money
thumbrelease target panic, just ordered a hinge style
Awesome video, thank you!
I’m personally looking for a bow press because I live 3 hours away from the closet shop and have had to learn how to tune my set up on my own but changing top hats isn’t something I can do and really feel like I’ve eliminated everything ( besides my form ) because that’s a never ending process! But really working on form and tuning
Yeah I get that brah, I live in a small “village” lol in northern Michigan…like no cell service outside the middle of town.. The closest anything is an hour drive away and the bow shop is in a big box store so they want you in and out as quick as they can,, but now after two years of watching these guys and a couple others and lots and lots and lots of practice the only time I go to the shop is to get strings put on and I tie in my peep there and have them twist the string to line it up
getting consistency in my peep/optic alignment
It's one of the most frustrating thing I've ever dealt with. It makes shooting no fun at all! I finally got rid of it with a release change. The Honey Badger hbx was a God send for me!
Hey the cameras to your left bud 😉👍
I’m a flincher and haven’t really seen much on that. More on pin movement or trigger punching
I’m a controlled shooter and I guess u can say I semi punch and it works for me
Some people can punch the trigger like Cameron Hanes, and other people can’t - I can’t.
I think we should all agree that shooting at a target is nothing like shooting at an animal. Obviously practicing on targets is necessary but it isn’t real life. Surprise release is great when working on perfect form and if you only shoot at foam or bags…go for it. But continuously saying that forcing the trigger to go off when you need to is essentially committing an “Ultimate Sin” is crazy. In high gusty winds having more control of when the shot goes off is essentially. When an animal is moving especially in tight quarters or in a small window setting off the shot is essential. But only ever practicing to squeeze and wait for surprise is only teaching how to never deal with situations that won’t allow success using that method. I’m all for practicing great form, but I’m also a “Plan for the worst, Hope for the best” kinda guy. Could I win a 3d shoot maybe not. But I’ll be damned if anyone can out execute me in hunting situations.
I completely agree. 100 percent with everything you said. Target range bs is what I say...it's always more money...more programs...beat panic....don't ever punch.....you could punch your trigger ever single time and be the best hunter in the world...you could also take every class, spend every cent on every single new Mathews bow every year and still suck at killing game. The fact is none of this has to do with hunting. I haven't won any 3D shots either...but my elk wall can do the talking.
there is a difference between a controlled shot, and punching the trigger.. if you can shoot a controlled shot that is awesome, and good luck on your continued success
@@ElkShape thanks for the reply. But in the video Dan talks about forcing the release to fire in Alaska. Yet you guys never talk about preparing for a situation when that is necessary. The honest truth is that when shooting an animal its almost always necessary. Most animals don't stop moving for very long. I'm not bashing you guys. I think you put out great content and I love the show.
I shoot a controlled shot just by pulling harder I shoot 3-d archery in the wind and you can’t get away with punching the release in the wind you’ll get so much tail wip out of the arrow bc of pressure that it won’t hit the broad side of a barn with a broad head
I continuessly work on my shot excusion
Biggest obstacle.....gaining access for hunting
I feel like people learn to be trigger punchers early on because when they start archery they are drawing too much weight and their shoulders aren't strong enough to really keep the bow up and steady on target, and as a result they learn to have accuracy with a drive-by smash technique with all of that massive float going on.
Mine got so bad in high school that I would dry fire a bow if I drew it without an arrow.
It improved to simply jerking the trigger 3-10 inches below the target. I got good at popping up my bow and and hitting my target, roughly. Then I wounded 2 deer in a row. Took a new job and havn’t pulled a bow back since
Gonna get back into it next year if I can get this under control.
I’ve been practicing this surprise release and I’m struggling to find a happy medium. Sometimes I focus too much on making sure it’s a surprise and my shot is not accurate. I’ve filmed myself and I’m not a trigger puncher and I do better when I tell myself “just do it.” I already have the skills I just have to find a happy medium with making it go off quickly and making it a surprise release.
Ok so what they mean is controlled surprise shot they want you to stay active on your release but not slap the trigger me personally I shoot indoor archery a lot you have to learn how to keep a active shot but not control it by slapping the trigger I shoot a trueball element it’s a pressure release you draw with the safety pulled back like you would shoot a thumb button but when you let go of the safety it works of pressure you pull by trying to touch your shoulder blades together and the pressure loads up and the release fires
Great video’ you still got to practice what the coach has teach you
I've got target panic as bad as it gets and I'm on the fence about giving up archery all together. I've tried different techniques and exercises to overcome it and it's still crippling.
Also, we going to see you guys on the Full Draw Tour next year?
This is our Full Draw Film Tour - would rather release anything epic to our CZcams audience first. tc
Great teaching video. I’m using a thumb release but wanting to move up to a hing release. What would you recommend?
ABT - is there anywhere you can try a few?
my target panic actually identifies as a woman, so i cant really kick it in the d**k lol. thanks for the great video! I use to be so bad at punching the trigger, and with your videos with joel and MFJJ I am way better about pulling through the shot and keeping a closed loop shooting process.
Great video i need help i am a trigger puncher love yoovideo
I am working on everything. Even with a newer bow than the one that I have used for 14 years I am still not a better shot, a better archer. Yes I know that better equipment doesn’t make one more skilled.
I shoot a single hook 🪝 index finger style release. It’s definitely an improvement over the cheap extremely light set Cabela’s double caliper release that I use to rattlesnake.
I try really hard not to just punch it once my pin comes across the dot on the target, but to keep it up and out there, hold on target and make that conscious decision to shoot. Not to just fire the first time my pin reaches the target 🎯
I plan on taking Joel’s online course when I can budget the money for it.
I want to build my own arrows for this season as well. 🏹
I want to be consistently great out to 60+ before I try and go after pronghorn with my bow. I can get within 40 on elk and deer 🦌 with a lot of patience and planning, but where pronghorn live in the wide open it’s difficult to get close shots when not sitting water in a blind.
love it, keep working G!
@@ElkShape set goals and work towards them. It’s a process of creating momentum.
It's always best to start this training process early, I have had to retrain myself over a number of years to get away from punching the trigger because I used to be so bad about it. What Dan said is pretty accurate. You can punch the trigger for a while and do great, but eventually it'll catch up to you.
no doubt!
I picked up target panic of punching from shooting trap . Trap you learn to shoot as soon as you see the target come into view. Archery is more atune with rifle shooting. So I began to get a .22 magnum with a rifle scope,place the cross hairs on the target and noticed I was even punching the riffle trigger. Thats when I understood it was the acquiring of the sight picture that was setting my mind to fire. So I began to practice cross hairs into the bull,holding it there, and controlling the trigger and squeezing slowly until the gun went off.
Went to the bow, and reaized the same issue. Practiced drawing,finger behind the trigger,into the bull,and was jumping out of the bow wanting to shoot. Took deep breaths to relax,counted to 10,then 20,then 30. Eventually for as long as I could hold @ full draw,locked into the bull. Never shot, let down,finger still behind the trigger.
Next I worked on pin into the bull with finger on the trigger. Controlling the trigger to not shoot. Telling myself, that bull is not getting away like a clay target,relax,enjoy being in the middle of the bull. move the pin all around the bull. 12 o'clock,6 o'clock,3 o'clock,9 o'clock. Let down, no shot. Over and over and over again,always letting down by moving the finger back behind the trigger.
Eventually, my mind began to accept the fact that the bullseye isn't getting away,not need to panic and shoot it quick.
I believe there's all sorts of TP. Caused by variable things. I analyzed my own. I think each shooter should examine their own to find just WHERE in the cycle of draw,hold ,shoot your lies in. I found where mine is. I get to the spot and come out of my shoes.
You got it dude!
I don't quite understand why you need to be surprised by the shot. I'm a trigger pucher and shoot very controlled even out to 70 yards. Any suggestions?
Joel used the term controlled.. basically just don’t be a trigger slapper
Well, I was excited for the year, then I blew out the neck, the season is closed with an ACDF surgery.....
I'm trying to figure out who he is talking to over there
A surprised slow pull through shot doesn’t work for me it causes me to hold low on target and make bad shots because I’m waiting and waiting for shot to break in the mean time my whole process is breaking down and the pin starts dropping
Shoot often.. like a Fuccn lot!! Lower poundage, close your eyes at a close bag.. feel what your tool really is. Then shoot more and more. Accuracy beats power every time, especially anything over 40 yards
My Target Panic came from shooting too many arrow in a session. I started releasing early as my pin gets close to the white or yellow....Curious question; Did you try shooting at a full size or close to paper photo of an Elk.
Recently started archery, found out I’m cross eye dominate and I’m debating whether trying to stick it out with the rh bow I have, or fully committing to to a left handed bow. I can shoot both ways it just feels a little weird with my left but they come out feeling good.
Definitely a trigger puncher but I’m getting better!
I used to be really bad with it. Got a shot trainer, you can get any type and the difference has been unreal. Definitely recommend!
one step at a time! it's a good thing that you can recognize what is going on
I just don’t understand the surprised shot because of the pin float that will happen, especially 60+ yards. I may be a trigger slapper but I time it with the motion of the pin float. Never had a coach though but it seems to work decent
it will work - until it doesn't - keep evolving and enjoy the journey! -Dan
@@ElkShape there’s definitely room for improvement! I’ll try it one day, just need to buy the release lol
Over Thinking!!! I spend way too long on each micro step making sure I do everything perfect I spend weeks just shooting through paper because the paper tares are not perfect 4 out of 5 shots and I don’t hit center of target every shot so I feel like I’m doing something wrong
maybe pick one or two things to focus on at a time
How I work it out shoot a rifle the same way you shoot your bow
with good mechanics it can be very similar, no trigger slaps
@@ElkShape yes I squeeze the trigger and let it surprise me when it goes off
Why not talking in the camera?
I’m working on finding someone to tune my V3x properly
What’s the song in the intro?