My Honest Opinion About The BIOMASTER 850 From OASE - SOUND TEST - FLOW TEST - HEATER TEST
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- After using this gigantic external filter for a few months, it's time for a little review!
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0:00 - Chapters cuz uncle MJ cares about your time
0:49 - Filter introduction
4:06 - Sound test
5:58 - Flow test
8:18 - Heater test
8:59 - Personal experience
12:32 - What I like about this filter
13:52 - Heater test results
I have two Oase thermo 600's and I found there is a design flaw, the pre-filter down tube has too few holes to suck up water. So I took a drill and added four times more holes in the down tube, and I changed my 60ppi (black) sponges out and replaced them with orange sponges (30ppi) and the filters no longer burp and even pump out more flow than before.
Excellent, I'll follow suite Thanks for sharing.
I think the measured flow might still be slightly optimistic because the catch bucket was lower than your aquarium or any typical one. Extra height would probably diminish the flow.
I've been using the 250 in a 60p and agree with your findings. With the constant burping I find tilting it in all directions after any maintenance to the filter helps. If any of the hoses are touching the cabinet it can cause an annoying noise. Hope that helps anyone:)
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Yeah it’s easily prone to the noise thing if inlet is clogged
If you shake the filter it will release the air out and get the flow rate higher. I have the 600.
I got this filter (600) for two years now and I still think it's great. For the gurgling sound, the solution is to seal the prefilter with petroleum jelly for aquarium seals. Also, after cleaning the pre-filter, pump by hand a few times, and after activating the filter, run it for a moment at half flow until all air bubbles have fallen out. sometimes it is also worth tilting the filter in different directions for a moment. p.s. when you measure the volume level in a cabinet, it increases because the cabinet is a resonance box.
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Informative.
My filto smart 200 still burps after 3 months. Great honest review! Nice to see a real review with tests 🙌
Truly enjoyed being educated on this filter!!! I am upgrading and purchasing a 600 gal aquarium for my Discus and I love the built in heater feature!!! It may add to the cost but such an easy to use quality!!! Love all you Videos... Thank you for your content!!!
Love this channel and I think that filter looks super clean and aesthetically pleasing compared to most.
Have a 350: pretty noisy at the begining, now it's silent comparing with the cost or Eheim models.
250 and 350 don't have problem with bubbles, but once they're cleaned the prefilter/filter they need hours to expel air bubbles. For example, I also have an Eheim Pro 4 and only needs 2-3 minutes to be free of bubbles. I don't think oxigen and CO2 amount could cause burping, it's the design of the very filter that produces that burping, because my Eheim doesn't make that effect
Flow: 1150 litres vs 400 l in real life
Thus: flow is a bit dissapointing, but the quality and the lack of noise made this filter one of the best choice
Regards of the markwt
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Great video, I've been thinking about picking up this filter so your review is really helpful!
I really enjoy your vibe and level of detail!
I appreciate you’re hard work in this video! Very useful!!:)
I doubled the amount of holes in the prefilter, and swapped all the filter pads for 2kg of Bacto Rings, 3 kg Bacto Stones, 750gr of active coal and 400 gr of Purigen.. the only filter pad that I kept is the orange top one... I have no noise issue nor air bubbles.. I am pretty happy with this filter..
Thanks for the information it was very useful, just 3 days ago I bought my Oase 250 filter, today it arrives
Sound and practical tests. I like the filter. Thanks for the video, very informative.
Loved this video. I do really like the removable pre filter major plus, having to pull the whole unit out from under the stand in order to clean the pre filter is annoying. Thanks you for your honest review 👍👍
I love this filter!! Best I’ve ever had. Mine has never made the burping sound that wasn’t quickly fixed by priming it till it stopped.
great review. I really love my Oase Biomaster filters though I have the smaller ones.
Great video again! I have the 250T, 350T and the 600T (also JBL and Eheim filters). The flow is a bit lower than that of the Eheim and JBL filters, but can be improved by drilling extra holes in the intake tuber inside the pre-filter. Also I think that in your case you are losing some flow with the reactor. I don’t have the Burping issue in mine, with the exception of the tabk where I am using the Neo-Flow lily pipes. The integrated skimmer is pulling in air every now and then. I absolutely love these filters because of the integrated heater and pe-filter. I also suffer from lack of cabinet space to lift the pre-filter out, but I lean my filter over towards me to lift the pre-filter instead of taking the filter out. I spill a bit of water doing so, but its managebleable.
Great extensive review 👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻👌🏻thank you!
This is amazing thank you so much for all the info, im in the market for one as i have a 1,2m tank thats going to be set up in December, so im learning so much of your channel, amazing amazing amazing! Love it, keep it coming 🥰
Nothing better than a handy handle 😁Thanks for the great review!
I never miss your single video. I am a big fan. Thank you for sharing such a wonderful information about OASÉ BioMaster filter. Always looking forward to your videos. Lots of love. 💚🌿🌱☘️
Thank you so much 🙂
Nice video amd great information! The only thing I think I would have done differently was the flow test. If you kept the bucket at the same hight as the top of the tank the head height would have been properly accounted for. However, it is probably such a minor difference that it wouldn't really matter. Just my thoughts. Really enjoying your content, keep up the good work!!!
Many thanks for this remarkable and highly detailed review!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I appreciate your informative videos. I have used the Biomaster 350 for 2 years. To remove the pre-filter from a short cabinet, tilt the top of filter towards you rather than pull entire filter out. Also, in my experience the bubble burps are primarily cavitation effect. To reduce or eliminate the burping, I reduced the output flow,. I understand that may not work for you as you find the flow is already to0 low, but it worked for my situation.
Most likely it will work for me as well. Thank you!
My 850 thermo has been running for a week now. Can hardly hear it, water quality is ecactly what i want. Its on a 250l tank. Very happy as if we get more fish growth then we are good. Add that to the 12l of crushed lava rock and we can take biomedia out to start other tanks easily. Best filter ive ever owned, ive had a few now
Hey buddy, I just got a Oase Biomaster 350. I did a bunch of research in this and the flow you got has a few factors at play such as your PPI on your pre filter. If it's higher it'll take more force to pull the water through, not to mention all the gunk you've already collected. Thanks for the video!
nice and needed review, been thinking about getting a biomaster 350
on the burping with a new filter i think its the air bubbles trapped in the sponges
and the noise, ive read somewhere if you put a stone slab on top a foam pad and then the filter on top of the stone slab it would be more silent.
Great video!!!
Thanks for an honest detailed review, I had just baught a Oase 600 which I’ll use in an up and coming project. I had seen a fair few reviews about the ” burping “.. In my research . Would be good if you could keep us updated on any possible solutions if any ? I still think the pros of the filter outweigh the cons . That’s why I went with Oase. Thankyou for your gr8 content!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great informative video. I am using a Biomaster (350) for a while now and I became a hugh fan of this type of filter. Especially because of the prefilter. I am going to get Biomasters for my other tanks as well.
My Biomaster only 'burps' a few times after cleaning the prefilter, but after an hour or so, I seldomly hear it 'burp'.
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Your review has helped me decide between Fluval FX6 Canister and the Case BioMaster 850 Canister with Heater. You're knowledgable and professional but most importantly patient, and for that I'm thankful. I'll be watching your channel for new ideas in Aquariums and the product lines. Thank you!
I changed from the Fluval FX6 to a Biomaster 600. The quality of the Fluval is so-so. The impeller has to be changed every 1-2 years. Costs (in Europe) 1/3 of a new canister.
The FX6 has more power, but... Honestly for no use
The pre filter is nice and even main cleaning is faster and more easy on the Biomaster than the FX6. Also the Biomaster takes more biomass. I'm not looking back.
Another great video!
My fluval 307 "burps" a lot, but it turns out that was the skimmer from the Lilly pipe, I blocked it and never again.
Great video, one of the best reviews I've seen!!!
Uncle mj is dripping today
I think the only issue with Oase Filter is the flow, i mean for a top of the line filter at 1550L/H is really low. Mid range filter like Fluval or Bioscape already sitting at 2200L/H plus
Would be nice if you do a flow ccomparison between Oase & other cheap brand see how different it is :D
PondGuru shows you how to make more flow on these filters. Check out his channel.
I used other filtert before thatare good 2000+ l/hour but the flow was more bad then with this oase 850 ,iam happy with the oase 850
@@fishheaven6394 maybe they’re like Macs. On paper slower than windows PCs. In real life mop the floor with windows pcs.
But Fluval FX series pumps are garbage. They may have a lot of flow but they do not last long and are quite pricey to replace. I have 2 FX6 and an FX4 for 3 years and ive had to replace the motors on all 3 of them twice.
really oase have amazing filter, you explain really so amazingly very part. thanks for review legend. goldy
Update on the big shallow please! It’s looking good!
Regarding flow, would be interesting to check the flow rate w/o the inline diffuser vs empty without media material. And with respect to the length of the prefilter it’s actually the same length as the biomaster 600, and so conversely I was expecting it to be one level longer for added pre-filtration capacity. This means there’s empty space below between the prefilter and the bottom of the biomaster which is just empty. Your points about it being hard to remove the prefilter when inside a tank stand is real and I have to keep mine outside of the stand as a result. Great review! 👍
Make a video about the Jbl cristal canister filter that you have. Great video as always! 👍😊
nice video. safety feature to have automatic shut off if power loss. does it have
I have an eheim 4+ 350 and it also burps it’s definitely a c02 problem as it occurs at the same time towards the end of the day when the co2 has been on. I’ve also tested it for a week without co2 and no burps.
this brand looks great .for now i have two Tidal 110 From seachen and I'm happy
I'm running the 600T on a 360l tank. Picked it for the internal heater and prefilter. It's in a cabinet under the tank so can barely hear it. Haven't opened the main body yet but clean prefilter every 2-3 weeks. Changed the Helex for Biohome. Performed flawlessly. Not mega flow but my water tests are all good so must be sufficient. Recommended.
Thank You for the informative and interesting vedio.
By the way what equipment and app are you using to monitor the temperature and PH levels?
Regards
Love the Channel. Principal fonction for a filter is to filter. so that mean each box capacity, and the flow, must be according to bacterian populate, and the fishtank health. With these flow rating, that's be complicated to maintain a basic balance. marketing has been there
Thank you!!
I recently got the 600T. I've seen some suggest tilting the filter to fill the air pockets inside the filter to make it more quiet. That is not really a good idea. When I opened the two locks, I had water gushing out the pre-filter side. Thank you for the honest opinion video!
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I have Biomaster 600 Thermo and I never had problems with bubbles... I have 200l tank and Oase 600 working great.... i hardly hear the canister... Im using lily pipes so I cant adjust flow , but in the end Im really happy with this filter.
I wanted to get 850 but couldnt get in my cabinet cuz he have one more basket then 600.... anyway , people fill the baskets with matrix...fine mesh and purigen at the top and you will be fine..
Awesome filter!
In setting up my first aquascape - still a work in progress - I originally considered this filter but after looking at various reviews particularly the reviews on Pimp my Filter - I opted for the Aquael Ultramax 2000. It has a prefilter and in my view a greater capacity for filter media, it also has a much better flow rate without the need for the considerable modifications suggested in the Pimp my Filter review.
Admittedly it lacks the internal heater which would be a great addition but my main requirement for a filter is it's ability to filter - so for now I'll live with this little irritation.....
Thanks for all your videos, they have been a great source of inspiration for my first venture into aquascaping..😊
Hey Roger, how is the AquaEl working for you? I’ve also been on the fence about getting the Oase due to the reviews.
@@originalgamesta6268 it's been excellent, very quiet, very efficient. I've altered the filter material and gone back to sponge in three and porous media in the other two. Once you work out how to remove the prefilter it's easy to do as is getting over any air locks that may occur when doing s full clean, which is also quite easy.
All in all I cannot fault it and it has been excellent value for money....
Nice review! Was wondering what filter media you're using inside the filter? I filled up all the trays with Seachem matrix and the top tray is filled with fine filter mesh. But because of that I have to open it up pretty often (flow reduces quickly). Do you only use bio media since you only clean the pre-filter? Thanks!
Hi MJ. I am planning on a setup of a 55 gallon tank (or possibly larger). I have been researching canister filters with heater option. Your review came at a perfect time. Your info is always so helpful and appreciated greatly. Thanks a lot and have a great week. 🏄🏼♂️ (surfs up- can you tell I am in Southern California?)
Thanks Thomas! Looking forward to your tank! Have a great week as well!
Excellent review. I’m getting the 350 one. Do I need a UV light for my new 70 Gallon Freshwater aquarium? Thank you for sharing.
Hey, i have a Thermo 600 to, noisy at the start, yea. My only surprise is: i have a 2nd filter: Fluval 405 and it's so mutch powefull (but also doing more noise) , pretty wierd.
I was using fluval 207 and it was burping all the time, just like your biomaster. Now I'm using Aquael Ultramax 1500 for the past 2 years and I never ever heard a single burp. Even though I have it connected between sunsun hw-603 prefilter and CO2 reactor. In fact that filter is so silent that when I shut the cabinet I cannot hear a thing, even at night.
Also think using the jet end of your output will probably be quicker than the diffuser on the end that will slightly slow this down
MJ I used to also have an Oase Bio Master Thermal and I also suffered from issues with noise, I actually remember speaking to you about it at the time in comments when you first got yours, and telling you how mine was not making any noise at all, that mine the biomaster 350 was actually in my bedroom and not inside a cabinet, yet was so quiet sometimes I would have to check it was still working, however it did not last long and like a lot of others I'd found after turning off the filter for cleaning the filter would be hell to listen too! Which had only gotten worse after having my ears professionally cleaned! I realised the bio master wasn't at all as quiet as I'd initially thought & in fact it was so loud after that it really had to go. Since then I've been using my back up filter an internal Fluval U3. My question is you replaced yours with another external filter which looks gorgeous but what is it actually like with the DB levels is it quite enough for a bedroom outside of a cupboard? Or do you know or anyone else who's reading this comment happens to know of a good external (not necessarily with a built in heater) filter I could replace my temporary Fluval with? My aquarium is 90*40*45cm approx 90lit I'd want something with a 10x capacity turn over so something equivalent to the biomaster 350.
Nice video again, i got myself a 250 for 60 liter aquarium. More than happy with it. About the brups, no issues here. Got hem only in the first minutes. I shake the filter a few times and it is gone. If I have burps most of the time i drink too much 😂
Yeah I have those kind of burps as well😆
Great video . Oase or fluval which one will you pick?? I have 66 gallon tank I have 3, 5 inch oranda goldfish which oase should I get ?? Thank you new subscriber
Since you also have worked with the JBL Profi filters, it would be good to hear from you about whether the Oase cylinder pre-filter is more or less awkward to clean than the JBL top basket.
Hi mate, I had the 600 and the pump is so noisy that I had to get back to my Aquael, I think that oase should work on this because all the other filter I had (Jbl, oase and eheim) were much more quieter…too bad because all the others features are very cool!
3:14 made me chuckle because I literally planned and shot half of a video the other day about how to avoid flooding your fishroom by accidentally removing the pre-filter first. But like you say, the safety mechanism makes this impossible. For whatever reason, I managed to open the pre-filter on its own once ages ago, but it must have been by brute force. So I added it to the ideas list thinking it'd be a good piece of advice to share. When replicating the "problem" for the video, I realised that of course Oase had thought of this! Such a waste of an afternoons video making...... You could have used my moody cinematic shots of the filter for your video, they'll never see the light of day now! 😂 Anyway, great video, great filter! Cheers.
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@@MJAquascaping the heater is necessary if the room temperature does not fall below 22 in winter. I can buy the non thermo version much cheaper.
Great video! I own the biomaster thermo 600 same issue with the burping sound every once in a while. However doesnt the air mess up the Co2 reactor?
A little bit, but because the burps happen mostly at the end of the day it's okay.
The pre filter is a great idea, but needs a different design. Maybe horizontal or diagonally placed?
Let us answer the most important question: 10L of Mayonnaise?! What were you eating?
Dutch people love their mayonaise 😆
😂I thought the same! That's a LOT of mayo......
Goede uitleg, wild mijn nog te bouwen dubbele bodem stromings aquarium ook laten draaien op de Oase. Maar kan ook het stroomverbruik eens gemeten worden (per dag/ week). De pomp capaciteit is ver onder de maat, ook al via een Duitse CZcams filmpje geconstateerd. Hier werd de 600 met verschillende media inhoud getest en was de capaciteit rond de 60% van de door Oase gegeven capaciteit. Zo'n grote verschillen mogen er NIET zijn. Betreft het filter materiaal, dit kan veel beter dan met de meegeleverde sponzen, zie een Engelse CZcams filmpje over de filteropbouw met poreuze media/gesteente. Beter voor de bacterie opbouw.
I love my Zaanse Mayonnaise ❤
I was thinking that. They put mayo on fries in his country. Dutch people seem so fit. Maybe the secret to being tall is mayo. They talk funny too. Maybe mayo makes you tall, and makes you talk funny. Or only if you use mayo on fries. Who knows.
Canister filters have low flow rate and rarely cycle the water when u have to put both input and output together. I use them in small tanks only. But lately I found great pleasure in using uv sterilizer and I'm starting to think a canister filter with built in uv will be awesome. Uv sterilizer is my secret weapon against algae and having crystal clear water and glass. It requires diy so you can have it before the biomedia stage of filteration.
What about installing a flexible drilled hose mimicking the original one but able to be taken out by bending it over? That would save room above the filter and you wouldn't need to pull the filter out from the cabinet to clean the prefilter
I have the 600, was concerned about the flow, fully cleaned all the hoses and greased the 'O' rings, the output went back to full flow, so maintenance!!
Hi there, you are doing great videos!
I had same problem “ burping “ with different canister filter.
Try to tilt slightly the filter when it’s running to all directions.
That way will release all air that is trapped In different places.I am doing it every time when I need to clean up the filter as I am getting air farts in the tank!
Did work for me hopefully will work for you as well:)
Let me know if you try it
So, when are you installing the sliding tray for the filter :D
In other video you mentioned aiming for 6 to 10 times worth of water cycling per hour, does this mean this filter would only be good for a 60 litre tank???
@MJ Aquascaping: I see you still use the intaqo, how often do you recalibrate the co2 probe? I never made the jump to co2 computer due to the recalibration requirements(every 2-weeks/monthly) but I wonder how it has been for you:)
I've only done the calibration at the very beginning 😆
You should have measured the flow when the output was on the same level as your aquarium water line...with this setup, even when unpowered you would get a considerable water flow. You can also raise the flow by raising the height of the filter, however impractical that might be. Now what i would want to see is more information on that co2 reactor ;p
I think the "burping" is more prevalent in larger filters. I have a cheap canister filter of likewise size, and it burped for about 2-3 months. I'm not sure it's a design factor, and this it's more a volume factor?
Nice opinion
I suspect that burping is often due to poor seal. But since the pump creates a negative pressure in the filter housing (sucks), instead of a leak you basically suck air into the filter. Properly cleaning and lubricating the seals often helps.
Hey man. if you want more flow in your filter (like insanely more flow) drill some extra holes in the pre-filter plastic tube. I have the 350 one and increased the flow up to 50% by doing that. Cheers! :)
Nice one! For me the flow is quite good at the moment, but if i need more I will definitely try this
others have shown in testing drilling extra holes didnt improve flow
Could you tell me what out let you are using please. Thanks
Best of the Best...
I have the BioMaster 350 and the flow rate is 300 liters per hours compared to the 1100 advertised.
I've drilled larger holes in the intake pipe, reduced the biomedia in the trays so that they are half full of Seachem Matrix, put coarse foam on the intake pipe, shortened the hoses to about 1m length but I only managed to get 300 liters per hour....very dissapointed. Barely managed to have 3x turnover on my 100 liter tank.
Thanks for the video.
What CO2 reactor do you use for 16/22?
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Yes they look great quality filters as I have never owned one, but I couldn't put up with the noise and spurting, I use and swear by the jbl cristal profi range, there well made, very quiet, a no nonsense filter,and good value, it takes 20mins to clean a filter once every 2-3 months. No bother to me.
I have a 20 gallons tank and I bought the Oase filtro smart 100 but the flow is very slow, almost no flow in the tank. I have no fish yet but I’m getting the fish in a few weeks. Any ideas on how to increase the flow? I turn it up to the max but it still very slow.
What sensor/app are you using to monitor temperature?
Great video, I confirm have the same pb of burping on this 850…. Even after many months of use… Unaccepetable for the price tag… I change it to a Eheim. Do you think Oase can refund ?
I don't think they will refund
Hier toch weer terug gegaan naar eheim na de oase 850T.
Het geluid en de lucht bleven me storen. Nu de eheim 4+ 600 en die doet het ook goed en is echt mega stil.
Nu nog keer naar de ikea voor de goedkope dienbladen "TILLGÅNG" van 99 cent. Dan kan ik die onder filter leggen om het schuiven wat makkelijker te maken :)
Misschien zo'n uitrekbaar rekje van ikea voor in de keuken? Ik ga kijken of dat voor mijn Oase past.
Hi, with a actual flow rate of 600l per hour it could used for tanks less than 200l per hour, better to go for fluvale fx6
As a matter of fact, have you been able to measure the electrical consumption of the filter and if it is close to the electrical consumption indicated by the manufacturer? Thank you. All the best.
I have an Eheim 350 that has never gave me any trouble or anything but it is a bit on the small size for my needs. I have some messy Discus in a planted tank. I am thinking of either an Oase Biomaster 600 or an Eheim 600. Seeing all the burping issues all over the internet I'm to concerned about the Oase after owning the Eheim 350 that has never had any issues.
But on the other hand I cant see any english review about the Eheim 5e series.. It is like they are not being sold that much.
If you shake the filter it will get all the air out and get the flow rate up. I have the 600.
Hi MJ,
I am one of your channel's subscriber and a regular viewer of your videos' content which are helpful to aquarium hobbyists. Thank you for all those useful info.
Could you please test thse kind of tests on your other canister filters too, please. I would like to know about Eheim brand's canister Thermo filters too. It will be helpful to many of your followers.
Please consider this my request.
Thank you, MJ.
I don't have an Eheim filter at the moment, but I can definitely make more videos like this one in the future
@@MJAquascaping Thank you for taking note, responding and considering my (our) request. It is nice of you. We are looking forward for them from you.
Once again, thank you, MJ. 🤝
Just as a precaution to anyone wanting to use the oaze as it is advertised... Don't if you need the heater to keep up. I have set up my 240l aquarium with as advertised biomaster 250, but it only comes with 150w heater, and you can't put bigger in! It didn't keep up, so I now have an additional internal heater which I didn't wanted in the first place... Just buy a version without the heater and install a proper inline heater
Great video! Just curious what you did with that big ass bucket of mayonaise lmao
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What is the dope app u use called and how does it work?
Hello
What kind of co2 reactor is this?
I have the 850 as well. After I have cleaned the pre-filter and switched the valves back to the 'locked' position, I find that I have to pump the priming mechanism far too much in order to get water back in the filter. What am I doing wrong? Maybe someone can offer a solution.
I sit my Biomaster 600 on a smooth bottom tray in the cabinet and simply slide the tray forward to remove the pre-filter. You must have a low bioload/stocking density to get away with cleaning your pre-filter only once a month - though I do notice you have the course 30ppi pre-filter sponges. I have to clean my pre-filter every 7-10days or the flow drops off considerably, but I am using the finer blue 45ppi sponges. I run my filter on a 200 litre heavily stocked community planted tank. If after 6 months when I give the main filter a clean it looks like it doesn't need a clean, then I may switch to the courser 30ppi pre-filter sponges and hope I can reduce the frequency of my pre-filter cleans down to fortnightly.
It may be more cleaning intervals, but think of the dirt you are removing from the tank! The other sponges are participating in bioactivity. If it doesn't look like it needs a clean then you can extend the major cleaning a few more month. I would replace the other foams with bio media and be confident it would be effectively working because of the pre filter. I would add a medium foam at the intake to balance the mechanical service.
So is the flow higher than fluval FX4 & FX6 ?
hi bro! is it fine to use oase 850 with my 60p ada tank?
Creat video and analysis with real numbers. Could you please make a video about your CO2 reactor?
I actually already did! czcams.com/video/51HqDm5ZP8M/video.html