Kia EV6 GT - Is it really a GT car ? 500 mile road trip had surprising result ! | 4K
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- Is the Kia EV6 GT really a GT car. I took it on a 500 mile road trip and the result was surprising. I have driven one before and the fastest Kia ever made is a very capable package. Striking looks and incredible performance.
I wanted to find out what is was like on a longer journey. The car has been designed as a GT car. a 500 mile road trip to Wales was a good test...
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On my EV6 you have to use the normal USB-A port for Apple Car Play not the USB-C port. It’s the right hand port under the center console. Glad you liked the car, I am really impressed with mine.
I drove from Luxembourg to Portugal with my EV6 GT. 1180 miles in bad weather in 25 hours for 2 drivers. 10 charging stops. Went a little faster on the way back in good weather. 22.5 hours with 12 charging stops. We've been driving the route for 25 years. With the combustion engine, we needed an average of 19 to 20 hours. The GT is a bit thirsty on the highway at 80mph (and +😉). With an RWD fewer stops would be necessary and therefore faster.
3000 miles in 2 weeks.
Wow…epic 👏👏👏
7 years of more chargers going in before 2030 will make it a non issue. Great vid
Just had a week in Kent and surrounding counties in my Kona 64 kWh. All charge sessions worked (lots of chargers en-route each day to choose from) and the car averaged 4.1 mi/kWh over 900 miles by the time we got home to West Yorkshire. Over the last 4 years, trips like this have become easier and easier. The car hasn't changed, the infrastructure has started to catch up!! Multiple chargers at each location instead of 1 or 2. Most new chargers now 150kW or above instead of 50kW for older units (my car does 77kW max so the extra makes quite a difference). Fantastic to see so much progress.
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Agree entirely, the infrastructure has gotten so much better in the last year. So much better.
Shame the press aren't reporting it but that stuff doesn't make for good headlines, I guess.
As an actual owner of an EV6 GT in the UK, this was a genuine review that shows the dual personality of the car. Yes its quick, extremely bloody quick in fact, but 90% of your trips you can't and don't need to use the speed, but when you get the chance its fun and exhilarating as a GT should be. Strangely enough, I stopped at that exact same Osprey charger/Pub on a trip to Wales earlier in the year (My car is pictured on ZapMap). Yes you are right public charging prices are expensive, I get there is a cost to building the infrastructure etc, but is this just setting a price precedent going forward. By the way the Kia charge card does offer significant savings, especially on Ionity (Currently 25p per kwh), which is what i now aim for when planning a extended trip. Again you touched upon the planning aspect, and this is exactly what is needed to get the most out of a EV Grand Tourer, despite the issue that everyone bleats on about, being the limited range of 220 odd miles. Anyway, nice to see a review that dosn't just focus on launching and drag racing ability of the car ;)
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
What a coincidence...
Ionity is a joke. How many charging stations are in the UK. You get hassled every time you charge its the complete opposite using a Tesla and they have faster and cheaper charging network.. no brainer
I think I’d still go for the normal LR version of an EV6. Fast enough and even more range! Mind you, I’d have stopped on the way home due to bladder range.
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Me too 😄😄😄😄😄
Also have a Kia EV6 GT Line S. Charged fully at home and drove 220 miles from Leicestershire to Devon.Range at destination was 82 miles. Slow charge overnight to full for £16 at the hotel and the home 2 days later. No range anxiety for me. EV6 are excellent cars.
£50k for a kia 😂😂😂😮 are you completely bonkers
@@pauldavies7251my thoughts exactly!
@@pauldavies7251 you get less car in a BMW or Mercedes. What is your real reason for denigrating the Korean brand?
@@pauldavies7251 It performs nearly like a Taycan and costs less than what a Taycans devaulation is..
Really interesting to get real world trip data on the GT. I have the regular AWD, and find 321bhp plenty, with 300 plus range in the summer, 250 in winter. The Kia chassis engineers have done a terrific job - the EV6 is surprisingly good to punt hard along a bendy road.
It sure is 👍
I cannot but think that with the EV6 GT and its competitors, the Tesla Model 3 Performance and the BMW i4 M50 that the vast majority of potential owners would be better off with the model one down in the range. Most of us will never use their ultimate acceleration or speed (generally EVs are pretty fast enough for us compared with their ICE equivalent) so would happily trade some performance for range and a lower price). Personally I bemoan that all cars, but particularly EVs, are getting bigger and heavier - and of course more expensive. If you enjoy driving on B roads and minor A roads you want something that is a bit nimbler to thread along narrow roads with sharper bends. Still really looking for a EV hot hatch. Mini most fun but has woeful range and Cupra doesn’t excite me in the same way as a Golf GTi. Perhaps the new Mini Electric will deliver.
Had my VW ID.3 with the 58kwh battery since new for 15 months. Live in same part of the world as petrol ped. Can’t say I I’ve had any problems. I charge overnight at home, occasionally drive to family in Chester, Exeter and Zurich as well as two holidays in Tuscany and friends in Bavaria.
Nice 👌
I have the LR EV6, honestly think it is the tipping point of EV usability - super fast charge and over 300 miles of real world range in the summer. I've had a 30kw Leaf, and an iPace after that, but the EV6 makes long journeys a breeze - I've gone Hampshire to Holland on a single charge, and when I do charge I'm mostly doing it from home or at lunch or a comfort break, meaning I spend less time fuelling my car than when I had a petrol engine (tbh that was a supercharged V8, but I no longer miss it)
The best thing I love about EV's is regen. I have a 2017 Chevy Volt and my wife has a 2023 Hyundai Kona EV. Going down a mountain without using brakes or added engine noise and getting more juice is awesome! It's like a magic carpet ride with no stress about using up the brakes or downshifting the tranny and hearing a screaming gas motor. For this one feature alone, I could not go back to an ICE ever. I hate using brakes and this is attested to the fact that my 2007 Jeep Patriot had 168,000 miles and never had the front brake pads changed but had the rears done once. And in case you were wondering my CV tranny was fine too with the regular fluid change.
Can't say ive ever put a list of petrol stations on my sat van on any trip ,,,, sounds like Fun ,,,
To be honest it shouldn't be necessary. Back on my first EV (original Nissan leaf with 80 mile range) every drive was a mini adventure
These days I just put in my destination and charge when it tells me to
It’s never that easy 🤷♂️
@@PetrolPed exactly , but he is a Nissan Leaf driver ,, simple in more than one way lol lol
@@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072 no need to be rude, and I *was* a Nissan leaf driver. I'd love to know which other EV you'd have chosen in about 2014...
This time of the year, summer, my E Niro driven within legal limits with a non aggressive foot, I get 5-6 miles per kWh. Kia in my opinion are the best electric cars on the road, yes Tesla have their dedicated charging stations but there not everywhere and thing are getting better for the rest of us.
Impressive 👍
I have the new Niro EV, it is superb. Drove from Huddersfield to Craster in Northumberland, 154 miles and I still had 50% left on the battery.
KIA Niros are very efficient electric cars.
@@otleybull but we dont all want to drive that slow tho
That wowed me hearing you were 4,5 h into the trip without having stopped ! Really quite unexpected ! Brilliant video and car, Pete! Cheers, Tom
Just travelled up to Scotland in my diesel car 460 miles 1/4 tank left. 4 days later, I filled up took a max of 10 mins and drove back, air conditioning on both ways windscreen wipers on no waiting around for a charger no waiting 50 mins to charge no anxiety problems. Now thats the future.
The future really has to have EVs charging 5 times faster than that Kia at a minimum.
When you can't buy diesel what are you going to do.
I have an EV6 RWD GTLine, love the car. Not bonkers fast like the GT, but fast enough for me. I came back off holiday last week from Wells to Blackpool - 230 miles. Stopped for breakfast a a great farm shop/restaurant with a rapid Instavolt Charger - topped up the battery to 100% - there were 6 chargers and I was the only one charging. Got home without having to charge - 220 miles mostly motorway with cruise set at 75 mph - 20% remaining when we got home. The car lasted longer than me - 2 comfort breaks along the way LOL. Great car, stress free driving with the brilliant cruise control, what a car!!!
Great to hear 👍
The same EV6 RWD GT Line that costs well over £50k or over £800 pm on a PCP deal. Glad you're enjoying it and I'm sure it's saving you tons. Sorry, couldn't help it!
I have a 15 year old diesel E Class Mercedes, it has 3 times the range of the EV6 at 650 miles, charges from empty to full in 5 minutes and apart from 5 minute pee stops we can travel the full range of the car, taking my driving partner with me and while not in the driving seat we can eat, drink and sleep. Now that is forward route planning and the car can be picked up for 10th of what you paid. As well as this we recently did a 300 mile trip to Fort William ( Bunree ) towing a 7.5 metre caravan and on arrival still had 1/4 tank left, even towing all that weight. You will find that the EV6 is also not able to do that either and can only tow a small poxy 2 berth caravan and even doing that has to stop every 130 miles or so and unhitch the caravan, apply security devices etc. to recharge because the charging infrastructure is not designed for through charging unlike ice vehicles.
cost me £43K and I buy cash - didn't say anything about savings - just love the car LOL @@tonyb3629
emissions? global warming? LOL
@@stevezodiac491
Another interesting film. We got 160 miles from 211 range in the dead of winter but in the good weather in June we drove for 200 miles with 50 miles of range left from a 223 mile range when we left home. What a difference. If there was a rapid charger near the rally I am going to watch 150 miles up North I would take the Jag but I guess it's the Honda for me tomorrow. I hope my mechanic in the village here does well in his Hyundai Rally Car.
While I've done a 430 mile day in my 28kWh Ioniq and it's a non-event. Was a wet and cold February day and I averaged 4.6mi/kWh. Stopped for around 15min for each charge which gets me from sub-20% to 80% (and is just about long enough to have a piss and grab a coffee)
Big batteries weigh a lot and their benefit seems to be a diminishing return - smaller packs that are faster charging are probably a better idea. 🤔
Really enjoy your channel and this was another great review. Heading for my mid sixties and unfortunately my disposable income will never stretch to an EV but I really enjoy following the transition to electric vehicles. I ride a motorcycle most of the time and the thought of a future when you are not being poisoned by the sometimes horrendous toxic muck coming out of tail pipes is something to really look forward to. 🙂
Thanks 🙏🏻
You had to wait 1 hour at the services, spent £42 on charging and only got 222 miles of range…!!!..and that is pretty good!? We must be operating on different value systems, cause I would call that disappointing..😮
Anyhow, appreciate your reviews and great content and also happy that you are showing the true face o LC EVs.
Keep up the good content.
Great to see it working out well for you. This has been my experience with my Kia E Niro, a great car that works well.
Being the lucky owner of one of these for 2 months now I can only confirm your findings. Great car and taking longer drives is absolutely no problem. Luckily here in Belgium we have a decent network of Fastned stations, where I generally charge at 220-240 kW speeds. It was a big plunge to go for an EV since it takes a different mindset but it really is not so bad as in the general public's perception. Great review !
Fastned are great 👍 Glad you are enjoying the car 😜
Now try pulling a 7.5 metre caravan with it ?
no thanks , not intrested in caravans@@stevezodiac491
@@stevezodiac491 - Just hire a caravan/accommodation already at your destination, and save the hassle and additional cost.
Towing a 'house' around the country is wasteful
@@SDK2006b'accommodation' costs 3 times as much as caravan site fees, plus they are not in beautiful locations like many caravan sites are. The person who is wasting is you, your money. Wait till you try to replace it and trade it back in, it will have decreased in value so much , like all EV's that it would have been cheaper to throw your wallet on the fire.
How's your dendrite formation so far on your traction battery through age and use cycles that ALL lithium ion batteries incur. My 15 year old Mercedes has none and never will. I was an early EV adopter as well and after 7 years 5 months and 35 k miles, my EV has lost 1/3 rd of it's battery capacity and range - never again ! This is why people will not buy second hand EV's, the public is now educated largely to this fatal flaw, steer clear and lose the initial owner thousands of pounds against if they were trading in an ice car.
We are currently on a euro road trip in our Model Y and its been extremely easy. We left the Midlands on a full charge and made it to Le Touquet with 13% remaining. Filled up at our hotel for free. Then moved down to Disney Land Paris again no stops and free chargers at our destination. Next moved down to Lyon, needed a quick supercharge ( car said 2 minutes to reach your destination) before reaching our hotel which had a charger, had to pay for this one. Next down to Gordes, no stops and hotel had free charging. Then down to Frejus again no stops and free destination charging. After a week of exploring South of France headed to Chamonix via Italy, needed our first half hour supercharger season. Currently still in Chamonix with free charging at hotel. I have constantly driven at 130kph. I have noticed the charging in France is miles ahead of the UK. All Aires we passed clearly signposted charging along fuel.
Great to hear 👍
Just out of interest what is your current miles per kilowatt hour?
@francoisg3500 280wh per mile. Car fully loaded with luggage, my Wife and Daughter. Aircon on full blast.
@@richardcorns8553 Wow that is really good considering a full car and AC in max. Thanks for reply with the info. 👍
We're just on the final leg of our summer vacation with our model 3: Central norway -> stockholm -> UK -> normandy -> Amsterdam -> Stockholm and home tomorrow. Will be around 7300km when we are finished. We're at 170Wh/Km (273Wh/mile) for the trip.
I live in a small town and near good public transport. So, my only use for a car is long trips. The hassles of range anxiety, looking for charging stations, waiting for charging, etc. makes an EV totally ridiculous for me. As long as I can, I will stick with petrol.
Great review.
I also have had an EV6 GT for 10 months and I’ve done 11,000 miles in it.
I’ve only had to charge public 3 times as the vast majority of my travel is well within the range both summer (267 in my experience) and deep winter (200). By the time I’d queued and bought a coffee my car was charged at an Instavolt DC charger, it really wasn’t a problem! Also the supplied KIA rfid charge card just allows you to tap and go, no downloading apps or logging in issues or anything.
For me it boils down to this. While you hardly ever use the massive power of the GT (I rarely use GT mode let alone the actual full bore mode where you pre treat the battery above 80%) even in normal use I far prefer the interior with the suede bucket seats and the revised handing with adaptive dampers, eDiff and PS4S tyres.
If on the other hand you need the xtra range on a regular basis (or really want electric ventilated seats or a sunroof) then the regular model would be better.
For me the GT at £59K when I bought it was also a relative bargain.
It’s an incredible car IMHO. My Porsche 997 now sits in the garage reserved for sunny Sunday drives.
Re the handling, remember a certain engineer Albert Biermann was hired by KIA (from BMW)?
Solid review, as always. Just confirmed again I couldn't cope with EV range anxiety. Not with our trips around the country - not with those charging costs and times... Not with a toddler to have to entertain.
Oh yes 😳
I think realistically a Tesla is the only easy option at the moment, I would really like to go for a different car (eying up an i4) but there is no comparison on how easy it is to use. I've done European trips (from Manchester) with 2 kids under 10 and a toddler and they have needed to stop before the car
Seriously? No offense but Ped went to a pub. A pub. You couldn't entertain a toddler in a pub for 30 minutes?
First world problems.
I've been EV through the toddler years of both my two. Never was charging the stress point.
Ped had plenty of miles either side of charge stops. Why would you have anxiety? Just trust the mileometer: they're usually pretty realistic.
why are people taking toddlersin cars anyway. seems a strange thing to do to me
EVs sound like a nightmare to me at the moment. I’ve been used to an easy life for 35 years on road trips and they sound too much of a faff. I quite like the idea of low maintenance however but the entry point is still quite high but that also applies to many ICE cars.
I have the AWD version, only used sport mode a few times , just to show what it can do when I have friends in the car.
I think for most people the RWD version on 19 inch wheels will be more than fast enough and better economy, the AWD version normally only engages the front wheels when pulling out from a junction or rapid acceleration.
I agree 👍
If it’s the case that all wheel drive only works when required, which is great. Why doesn’t it do similar mileage to the more basic model when driven normally, or does it? I was considering the all wheel drive version for snow and ice conditions.
@@wobby1516 The AWD has 20 inch tyres and weighs more, both these factors reduce range, but not by very much.
@@wobby1516as Johnny says: weight. That extra motor is a heavy chunk of metal to be hauling about - probably the weight of a small child. It all adds up.
Best stick with RWD.
However the different interior and the (in my experience) better handling of the GT more than makes up for the lower range of you don’t actually need it, and the price difference is quite small. I didn’t want a sunroof or electric seats (my wife rarely drives my car)
I opted for a GT for those reasons and don’t regret it, but it’s a personal thing.
I have to admit, I have a diesel Mazda CX5. I haven't been inclined to electric cars at all, but this one is growing on me.
Nice one pp but I’m still not convinced that is the way to go we will see 😊
Fair enough!
Will you still be convinced petrol and diesel is the way to go, once Shell begin cutting production of petrol and diesel as they stated they plan to do in their last business report. They said they will cut production by 40% on the lead up to 2030..... As for the other oil giants - who knows?
Electroverse supports many charging service providers including Osprey with a single card. If you are an Octopus customer, they give you a slightly discounted rate.
Yep, pretty much half’s the cost of using these chargers too.
That's fantastic, had already watched your videos from at the Classic Cars guessing you put them out first. Good to know and the EV6 is a great EV as you've shown for a certain gentleman with initials JC. ;)
Experience from driving the EV6 GT back from Croatia to Munich (580km) last Friday:
This had a combination of speed limited highways in Croatia, Slovenia (with a 50km cross country road in between), Austria and most of the way in Germany (~90-130 km/h - sometimes drove ~10-20 over) and also quite a bit of holiday traffic and about 1h of stop & go traffic jams. However, in one of the last stretches before Munich, I also briefly hit 220 km/h.
We did a total of 3 very short „bio breaks“ and connected to Ionity HPCs for ~5 mins each (Iliska Bistrica, Radovlijca, Golling).
Total travel time with stops and traffic jams was about 8h with average consumption around ~23kwh/100km (didn’t reset the tracker unfortunately and the trip meter reset after every stop, but from my regular checking during the drive).
And now the kicker: friends were driving the same route in parallel in a Hyundai ICE suv and they arrived only 2-3 min earlier at our final destination!
I had similar when on a road trip to Switzerland. We "picked up" a Belgian registered BMW X3 which we just happened to notice. From Northern France to the Swiss border, we were on stupid at different locations but clearly on a similar stop/bio strategy as we kept leap frogging each other.
Unfussed driving but clearly traveling the same distance at roughly the same real trip time.
Odd, people keep telling me I need to stop for an hour at a time to charge up and by that time they're 100 miles further on in their diesel whatever 1,000 mile on a tank, whatever vehicle. 😅
I used to take 23 hours driving Brisbane to Melbourn in an ICE car, and I took 36 in my first EV attempt. It sucked.
So, you just confirmed my thoughts inside the first 4 minutes. "You just need to do a little planning" No. No, No, No, No I DO NOT need to do alittle planning for a journey of
You need to use the USB A / classic port.
USB-C only charges no data connection sadly
Also you can get the battery history reset via KDS Kia’s diag system only at dealerships and with a full battery
Finally if you would have set that charger as a tour point then the battery would have pre heated so it may have charged faster
Thanks for this 👍
Now I really want one. I can get used for $40 k in USA. Love video thank you
Thinking of buying one for the wife but my 23 year old BMW530d takes some beating travelling from the Algarve to UK. Thanks for the video.
We’ve had EVs since 2014 - an i3, then a Zoe ZE50, then a Tesla Model 3 which we still have along with a Volvo C40. Been doing road trips in the Tesla since 2020 including numerous trips from Winchester to the French Alps, to Milan, to Zurich and domestically to Inverness. Probably 25,000 miles of EV road trips. Only ever waited for a Tesla supercharger once for 5 minutes in summer 2022. Now that infrastructure is getting better we have also started road tripping in the Volvo C40, although we are yet to take it to the continent given that there is a super convenient Tesla sat on the drive next to it.
£50k minimum for one of those so that's a lot of diesel for years to come. 250 mile range is still very poor for that cost of vehicle.
570 bhp diesel that does 0-62 in 3.5 seconds?? hmm, think you migh have a bit of trouble finding that "alternative"......
@@maxtorque2277that power is irrelevant in the real world. It might be fun on a track but on uk roads 250hp in a 3 series is irrelevant. I’d rather have 0-60 in around 6s and a 500 mile range coupled to a 5min “recharge” time.
Great piece on the EV6 GT Pete…
And very happy as I get my black EV6 GT in two and a half months!
Nice…enjoy 👍
Great video, thank you. Im considering the GT but was a little concerned with the distance the GT would cover before needing a charge. Your video has shown i dont need to worry about that .
Glad I could help
Why can’t all electric chargers take a debit card. Having to set up many accounts for different charges stations is a potentially a big issue
They are mandated by goverment that every charger has to be able to take contractless payment.
The first one should have but for some reason mine didn’t work. I did say that later in the video 👍
Great to see someone having a good road trip EV driving experience. I took my Renault Zoe GTline to Anglesey from my hometown of Kettering in Northamptonshire. 1 charge stop en route at Tesco's Pod point and the B&B owner let me Granny charge at the property in Cemaes Bay so no drama at all.
Very nice!
Thank you for sharing your trip. I have an EV 6 GT in Oregon, USA
Very cool!
What an ordeal, was getting stressed out watching it. I am looking to fill my car up when it hits about 150-200 miles !!
I was originally wanting a GT, but once i realised the max summer range would be circa 220, i decided against it. Im getting around 250 from my GV60 sport plus, happy compromise.
Not looking forward to another winter of ev range anxiety though lol They do not like cold windy days 😮
GV60 is a luxury step up from EV6 and Ioniq 5
Great video, very informative as usual. For me it's the costs involved with the extra stops. We wouldn't normally stop at cafes and have "lunch and a coffee". Drove from Huddersfield to Milngavie Near Glasgow recently, one stop for the loo and that was it. Half a tank of diesel. This ev thing need looking at further
Also achieved in certain EV's. Same experience. I wouldn't have to stop for anything other than the loo either.
Just pack sandwiches and a flask if you don't want to buy owt.
Last time I was at a super busy services, no one in petrol or diesel car's had any qualms about stopping and eating KFC and burger king for 40 mins. Could have easily fitted in a EV charging session too.
Ped didn't even showcase this car's charging - can top up to 80% in 18 mins. He was saying 75kw is quick - that's mines max charge rate. That Kia can do 230kw.
Expensive and a real faff. Petrol is the future
£85 full tank on my Audi A6 40Tdi...gave me 700 miles on my trip from Birmingham to Bavaria.
In my BMW d I’d get there and back with 150 miles to spare, no wasting time charging, most of all no need ro ‘plan’ the mission’, and it would be cheaper than using public rapid chargers. Nice car though looks fun to drive.
That time is more than made up by the times you charge at home rather than go out and fill up. Planning becomes second nature, like muscle memory.
@@paulbuckingham15 I can’t accommodate a home charger, so that doesn’t help in my case, also the planning isn’t muscle memory. It goes wrong, sometimes, I know I had an EV for 19 months, chargers aren’t 100% reliable unfortunately. If you have home charging then it’s definitely more feasible, but this EV initiative isn’t a one size fits all solution.
But remember, the petrol or diesel to do that in 10+ years time, may no longer be there. Production and sales volumes of petrol and diesel will reduce in the next few years. Shell have said they plan to cut production by 40% on the lead up to 2030.....
Was imagining that if the transition was reversed from silent EV cars to noisy ICE cars everyone would be complaining about how bad this was. 😂
Good planning usually works on a road trip. Certainly did for me driving from London to Newcastle and back recently. I am glad your trip to Wales went well.
Nice one!
Bit shocked at the low range especially as its supposed to be a Great Tourer but glad you liked it, sticking with our Tesla MYLR though !
What’s the average mpg of an ice with sub 3.5 secs 0-60 and what size is their fuel tank? Genuine question!
My concern is that in my car I wouldn't even question whether that journey was possible. The other issues are 1. The car is expensive to buy and 2. public charging looks much more expensive than filling up with petrol even considering my car only does mid 30s on a long run.
Depends if you're filling fuel up at Motorway Service prices, which this changing is similar to doing.
Yes, the car is expensive, but try and find a new petrol/diesel car with 570bhp for less money !? 🤔
@SDK2006b true but I would not fill up on a motorway except in an emergency. I find in the UK 250bhp is about as much as is needed (depending on weight and BEVs are really heavy).
@@kevinpower5880 - just the same as I would not charge on a public charger at these prices except in an emergency.
@@SDK2006b I cannot charge at home and all of the public chargers in our town cost 69 pence per kWh. If I had an EV I would have no choice but to pay that price to charge it. Until the cost of public charging comes down considerably an EV will not be viable for me.
For the majority of your running you would be charging at home on perhaps less than 10p per kWh 👍
£42... ! A full tank in my hybrid is £49 that gives a range of 545 miles . Having to plan the evening before a trip as well 🤔. The vast majority of journeys i do are hadhoc !
Cheaper subscriptions are available and you can charge at home for significantly less.
How long does it take your hybrid to get to 60? The GT can do it in 3.5 seconds!! That kind of performance would require a supercar to match and one of those does not do 545 miles on £49........
@maxtorque2277 best you can come up with 0-60mph ? Land's end to John o'clock grouts EV v's Hybrid only using a bank card for fuel/charging ( no apps or subscriptions) . Ps my local Ev point is currently 65p@ kw just gone up 1pthis week .
@maxtorque2277 nothing does 545 miles on £49 because at £7 gallon that's 78mpg which unless you drove on the motorway at 55mph for 10 hours overnight in a gen 1 Honda Insight would be almost impossible as a UK average. And if you did 0-60 in under 4 seconds in an EV at every opportunity I doubt you would get more than 100 miles. And as a supercar owner I have got to Bristol from Reading in my McLaren, 80 miles at 40mpg for £14. No 0-60 timed runs included.....
@bispal do you charge a EV at 0% ? Because I don't fill up from zero miles 🤣
Nice video thank you. Some of your other videos with BEVs have been disparaging so it's good to see you had a positive experience.
It was good to have a good experience 👍
Maybe it will change, but living your life around the cars charging needs is something i can't currently get my head around. Your fueling up seemed like it was dictated the cars need for feeding. Good video though, how you got on in the real world👍
Proper consumer review... Very interesting.. Were you aware of the T shirt you were wearing at the beginning of the video ;).... Love the term volt and bolt, that could be the phrase of EV drivers going forward. Cheers, Pedro, great as always.
I sure was 😜👍
I drive a Seat Leon with 150ps which in the real world is probably just about quick enough, £42.79 will give me a range of 450 miles plus, so not really convinced with EV's yet
Yes but the difference with an EV is that this is the extreme pricing for the 20% of time that road trips require it. Osprey are also among the most expensive.
So for 80%+ of the mileage, it's about 2 to 4p per mile if charged at home.
A 500 mile round trip like the one here would be 200+ miles at the cheap rate and the rest at the higher rate so making simple comparisons doesn't work. Petrol pricing though is always at roughly the same high price.
For another comparison, we recently popped down to Switzerland. 1,865 miles, charging cost was £156. That included hotel and public charging. 8 p per mile, still far cheaper than my diesel or petrol cars.
However... It's also pointless making *this* comparison because of the cost of the car, then again that is largely funded by solar FIT so more complexity to the equation!
Me too 1.4 TSI DSG,can’t see me changing until it falls apart
What do you do for people like me who live in a flat and home charging is not possible? Thank you but I'll stick to my diesel estate with up to 800 miles of range.@@djtaylorutube
I've done 750 miles in my EV this week for £35 - 460bhp Polestar 2
@@SDK2006b but what puts me off is the inevitable greed of the govt hiking up both electricity charging & some new tax for EV’s once there are enough on the road,a recent convo with a regional electricity network provider told me it would take 50 years for the grid to be viable (& strong enough) right now
Did a 1,700 mile road trip in my VW ID5 GTX last week, charging 2 or 3 times a day using Tesla superchargers, never had to queue or stress over charging. Total cost was £115.26.
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No mention of time wasted whilst charging!
@vacoasrebel6729 Sure some time was wasted but a lot of times charging stops were also meals, toilet breaks, stretch the legs etc. Any time that was wasted was more than made up for with the smug feeling you get when beating ICE cars away from the traffic lights 😀.
£42 for about 150 miles of range? That's £15 in petrol and you don't need to waste an hour waiting for it to charge
15 Pound in Petrol? What are you comparing this car to? A Prius?
Hi really enjoyed the video, I was a bit surprised that the Kia EV6 GT was that expensive £65k ish. I’ve just bought an Audi Q4 Black Edition, which I’ve had for just over a month. So far for 560 miles of charge it’s cost me £13.67 using a home charger and Octopus Intelligent EV tariff. My previous car, an Audi A5 Cabriolet which would’ve guzzled £120 in petrol and the A5’s road tax was £570. So far I’m nearly up £150, I wish I had gone EV earlier.
I like EV's generally, but I HATE the fact at the Osprey charger you needed to download an app to charge your car. What if you don't have a phone on you but have a bank card? It should be easy for people to convert from fuel to EV driving and always having to download apps is not the way to do it. You don't need a Shell, or Esso app to fuel up your car, just a bank card or cash! Rant over.
No cards needed for mine, turn up, plug in, done. Don't even need to pull out an old fashioned bank card. ;)
As others have said, a lot of this can be avoided by an aggregate card such as Electroverse from Octopus. That's a simple process, just gets billed to the account and no app needed at the time, works for roaming in Europe too.
There are many ways to present a more favourable picture but many are not interested already so *shrugs*
As I said later in the video. My contacts debit card should have worked. Not sure why I didn’t. That’s why I needed to download the app 👍
I’m not trying to paint a negative picture at all. I thought this trip went very well. The challenge with press cars is that you don’t get access to the car specific app or charge network discount apps 👎
No i think you did a great job as always. I really want an EV, genuinely. I just have two issues, the fact you should need a car specific app or car network is a bit absurd to me, you should just be able to rock up at a charger, contactless pay and plug in, easy. Also the price! I do 20k miles a year and i pay mid £300's for a Seat Leon that does 65mpg and 650 miles to a tank, for a KIA EV GT i checked and it is £932.. and Tesla's are £700, just no where near affordable. Looking forward to when it is though
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I will never get used to this planning a route around chargers. At 74, being forced to buy an EV won't be a problem for me along with heat pumps. However, with 15-minute cities and ULEZ cropping up all over the country no one will be able to travel anyway.
*50 Minutes to charge from 30 to 100% and £42.79 !*
It will be well in to 2050 before anyone is forced to buy an EV, by then nobody would want anything else.
@@GrrMeister Yes. If it is a planned stop for a meal, OK, but you must calculate the cost of meals for four (two adults and two eat everything children) on a road trip each time and £42.79 won't even be the start of the costs. A good old ten minutes petrol stop is going to be a lot cheaper and a shorter journey. (Took two children to a park today. Four small servings of chips and two fruit shoots £15) ... (Other drinks are available at the park )🤕
@@mikebreen2890 Probably correct. A shame they won't know any better.
@@charlesholder8009 Why do you have to calculate for the cost of a meal? Do you factor that in for ICE cars that stop at service stations? And why do you have to spend more on food because you're in an EV as opposed to in an ICE car? This is all contrived nonsense.
My friends got one of these, I was shocked that a Kia could be that good, and the performance 😎
They really are 👍
Good video ped 👍. That ev6 is interesting, power and sensible economy......( Possibly the driver too) 😊
Another solid video as always! I'm missing something here with this whole EV thing though. I can't charge at home, or at least apparently I could if I was prepared to pay £11k to have a fast charger & suitable supply installed, which I'm not. I can't charge at work (60 mile round trip & I'm out 15 hours a day, so no time to sit & charge a car somewhere). Also, this is a £57k car which is more expensive to "fuel" for me having to use fast charger networks than an ICE car at these charge point station costs, & I could buy an equivalent ICE car for £15k-£20k less, invest that money &/or use it to buy a huge amount of fuel for my new ICE car. Someone's being hoodwinked somewhere, even the free road tax is quite rightly ending. I agree for some an EV is fine & a welcome PART of a future transport solution, but it@s definitely not THE solution.
Presuming you have electricity to your house, you can use that. Nothing more is needed as a minimum. Granted you may at times prefer a faster charge rate but as an alternate to paying £11k, there it is.
You don’t need a fast charger at home. A 7kW AC charger is about £1000 all in to have installed 👍
How many miles do you drive a day repetitively? A standard 3 pin plug and extension lead charges at roughly 12 miles per hour, so even with 6 hours of cheap rate ( 1am till 7am) you could add 72 miles each and every night for pennys (decent extension lead might cost £50)
Hi ped
Great video as usual. I am still not sold on electric cars.
It seams to me you have to be a mathematician to calculate stops and miles to next charge. I know it may be cheaper than fuel. I was basing your trip on my recent week in the Lake District
I filled up before I left and filled up after two days of motoring around the lake s and topped up on the return trip home.
Did not have to worry about waiting or queueing for charging points. Due to change my 1.5 litre Vw t roc next year. But not ready to go to electric ⚡️ yet as good deals on I d3s at the moment. Just feel strongly about the electric debate.
No math required - you know the range of the car and learn where the best chargers are. If you were driving to the Lake District in this Kia EV GT then you would stop at Ionity on route and charge at 25p kWh, 10-80% in about 20 minutes
It’s just a new way of think about stuff 👍
I'd say some math required, because you can go to a given charger and pay very different amounts of money for the same charge depending on which App/RFID you use. This planning for chargers and signing up to different networks is the real problem. They really need to sort out the "connected-ness" of the various charging networks so that they all show up in an open fashion in either the car Nav or on a phone app, with correct status and preferably pricing too. And then you should be able to pay with a card and pay the same rate as someone with an RFID. Whilst it requires people to sign up to different service providers, get RFIDs etc. the EV experience will remain frustrating to most people. This is why we got a Tesla - the integration makes the whole experience insanely easy.
20 year roi lets face it
@@PazLeBon Depends strongly where you live, and the current tax etc benefits. Here in Norway the 5 year ownership cost on my Model 3 is about the same as a Toyota Corolla, and the CO2 equivalence time is about 30-40k km, which is 2.5 years of driving for me.
Great video and i am more than reassured for my ID 5 with more range 320 miles ,only had it a week so looking for good road trips in the future
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There's 4 50Kw chargers in the main car park in the town at Newtown so no need to wait at Tesco. They are Welsh so you need the Dragon Charging app to start them
The wired Apple Carplay is USB-A only, not the USB-C port which is for charging only.
Correct and you can use any USB-A cable not just Kia ones
Weird. I tried one of those too 🤔
I’d be happy with a ‘normal’ LR version that’d do 4m/kW / 300 miles plus. That’d be powerful enough for me, though to be fair that GT does look good!
Kia have really cracked it with EV6.
Powerful enough indeed 👍
The standard RWD version is about that
You should try a caravan holiday in the Lake District with an EV car, that would be hilarious
I think the average speed zone thing may be Kia GT specific as my 2019 Cerato GT has the same function - it's very useful and everyone who has sees it have always commented on how they wish their cars had it.
Had one of these on order but cancelled it due to delays. Ended up buying a Model Y Long Range and overall happy it panned out that way. A real 300 mile range and only 40p per unit charging on the rare occasions I need to supercharge (plus the better network). I think the EV6 is a better looking car, but Tesla have it nailed in terms of practicality - it’s the only EV you don’t need to really plan journeys in advance
Same. The Kia dealer wanted us to sit down after the test drive and discuss an order. I was close but asked what the lead time was. Maybe 12 to 18 months he couldn't tell.
I said, no rush on us placing an order then since a few days to think about it won't make much difference. Every day for the next week he phoned. I know he was just doing good job but seriously, what's the point?
You're so right about not giving a f'k in a Tesla though. Apparently an EV is only suitable for going to local shops.
We did that, except the local shop we need to visit was in Switzerland. Fabulous trip. :)
*Yea right - but they look like a jelly mould !*
@@GrrMeister Yeah, true, but I can’t see it when I’m in it 😅
@@GrrMeister Yep, I do like the EV6 styling but at the end of the day, I sit inside and look out and just wanted a vehicle that worked and was wife friendly with regard to charging.
I didn't buy based on looks alone. :)
I have a Model Y Performance press car coming in a few weeks time 👍
Was thinking about buying one but the range put me off!
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Great to see the charging side of the journey went smoothly. My only concern is the rate of cars sold is going up but the charging stations aren’t keeping up.
On a good note, there’s going to be a lot of cafes being built around the charging stations and shops etc.
Maybe the EV will enhance the pleasure side of driving again, like slowing down the journey instead of just racing around.
As always a great video PP.
Totally agree
Interesting T-shirt at the beginning Ped. I want 😊
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I’ve owned an EV6 now for over a year. My car in the summer has a displayed range of over 300 miles and in the winter about 260 miles. The biggest advantage of fast charging is the preconditioning. The KIA Satnav does this automatically when the charge station is planned in.
I can’t say I’ve had range anxiety and when the system is used,as planned, it is really easy to charge and take full advantage of the high speed charging up to 250 - 350 Kw per hour. However they are fewer in number.
The big advantage I have is that my daily commute to work is free in the summer - using the charge facility off my solar panel and home battery combination though my Myenergi control system. Smug I know but I think, if you can afford it, why not take full advantage of the systems available.
Great to hear 👍
Like you’ve said you need to do some planning before you go but I don’t want to do that. I want the infrastructure to be so good that I know I’ll be able to charge whenever I need, just like getting fuel. Also those chargers never seem to be under cover. Sod that when it’s chucking it down 😂
Hello pal, playing catch up again, harvest assistance was bonkers. 👍👍🇬🇧
I have one and the Range is Insane
EV6 charging speed on a 50 kWh charger is unlikely to slow down till you reach 90% SOC, I hope you managed to see it charging on a 350 kWh rapid charger
Didn’t get the chance this time 😢
I was at Shelsley Walsh hill climb last weekend at a very wet dealer event (I drove my Mini JCW up the hill a few times! 😎) and one of those EV6’s was there. It was the most impressive up the hill speed wise of all the cars there and there were some big hitters on the HP front there!
Very cool!
Hi Ped, I haven’t commented for a while but still watch every video. I posted this comment on another channel not long back and, seeing your costs charging ‘on the road’, would like to know if you agree? (I swapped an ETron, after 3 years, for a Niro EV4)
‘I’m on my second EV and they are great if they fit your use case. I own a Ltd company so an EV leased with the cost offset against corporation tax and virtually no BIK to pay makes perfect sense. I have a house with a private driveway, home charger and a night time Tarrif to charge - pence per mile fuel cost is around 2.5 pence. My daily mileage is easily within the range of the car so 99% of my miles are at night rate (currently 9.5p/kWh). If you are a private buyer, relying on public charging then forget it - the infrastructure simply isn’t there for the average person, the price of the vehicles is too high and the price of electric at the rapid chargers is more expensive than petrol, if they are working and if they are free without waiting 45 mins for someone else to finish charging.’
Thanks for watching and I totally agree. EV is a no brainier for you at the moment 👍
Thank you as always for your real world review. Your enthusiasm shines through. Long may you continue to contribute as you do to motoring journalism.
Thanks 🙏🏻
I’m just not sure about the whole stress of owning electric…..I need to be able to do 500 km without stressing …. I’m excited to see what else is in the works !! 🍻🇨🇦👍🏻
Why are you going 500km without stopping? You don't eat or pee?
I understand that the infrastructure isn't as mature in Canada so it's probably not so simple but in the UK the public infrastructure is really getting good, now. It'll happen over in Canada too, no doubt.
then go for EV6 long range rwd! it can achieve more than 500km in summer. almost 400km with highway only driving
Ok, having seen a recent survey of fastest depreciating cars and with all the top 10 being EV's it's hardly surprising many motorists are avoiding them or switching back to ice. I see all these detailed running cost videos in real life driving conditions never take the additional depreciation into actual total running cost of ownership.
Not selling mine thus depreciation is a non factor as far as I'm concerned.
Most petrol and diesel cars lose 30% of their value in the first year, then continue to depreciate slowly.
So now is the time to buy a second hand EV - they're great fun!
@@Lyndalewinder They certainly make a better purchase prospect second hand.
Moving to their 'proper' place on the deprecation v age curve after the unusual situation last year when used could cost more than new. This was more profound in EVs than in ICE.
Little tip; Average speed… most cars have that in the trip computer. I go to that and reset it when in an average speed camera area.
I live in Denmark. Three and a half years ago I bought a Hyundai Kona 64 KWH. The first few years I also had to plan the driving in Denmark, to ensure that there was always power on the battery, but especially in the last six months, a lot has happened in Denmark in relation to charging stations. Just in a radius of 50 km. from my residence there are more than 20 HPC charging sockets set up giving 150+ KWH and a fair amount of 50 KWH and some (30-40) AC 22KWH. The 10 HPC charging points are within 20 km of my place of residence. It's moving fast and I've completely stopped planning anything. It's like the old days of gasoline, when the needle starts moving toward empty, you find a place to fill up. When I bought the car, it was advertised with 439 km on one charge. It was changed to 489. Today I still get between 480 0g 510 km on a charge according to GoM. Running like you in this video. The small roads, drive briskly, but largely comply with the speeds (almost - at least) and a single overtaking every now and then. Driving the EV is a pleasure, a super pleasant experience, and knowing you have the power if you need it is nice.
But you live in Denmark not the third world outpost that is the UK. Interested in what you are paying per kW in Denmark?
@@Dickie2702, The prices in Denmark when we talk about HPC (50 KW+) charging are usually in the range from 0.34 GBP to 1.1 GBP per KWh. Sometimes there is an initiation fee. My nearest 300 KW charger is about 6 km from my place of residence. There price is 0.34/KWh and start fee is 0.39 GBP. It is correct that the EV area is not that poor at all, even in Denmark, on the other hand the wife, who has celiac disease, complains that you have far more and far cheaper Gluten Free food in the UK. The price for charging at home changes all the time, as it depends on how much renewable energy is produced. So far, the average price for the electricity we have used in the house has been 0.197 GBP/KWh, and on a daily basis I also charge at home, using the GRIDIO app,
Why is it so important of it is a GT car? Why should you want to have a GT car? Does it mean so much that you can drain the battery in top speed? Ridiculous. Focus more on range and not on speed or acceleration. Where is it possible to drive fast nowadays? Every country has speed limits making it impossible. Car manufacturers should finally know that, but since there are some idiots out there who can't stop talking about speed they keep making these idiotic cars.
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Because Kia made a big deal of it being a GT car when I attended the press lunch. So I wanted to put it to the test 👍
Tesla supercharging is currently 52p / kw locally. Tesla really have nailed it!
More like 40p at most chargers 👍
Cheaper than that by quite a lot at most places. Nearest to me is 38p. France was typically 33c.
Depends on time of day as well. My local Supercharger is 39p to 43p.
My local charge network is 38p if you take out a subscription......
Enjoying these EV videos. Hope that you get the chance to drive the new MG4 X-Power, which seems like something of a bargain judging by most reports I've seen to date.
I hope to do so soon 👍
As good as both this Kia EV6GT & Hyundai Iconic6 are, 1 thing that I noticed you showed a little off was 'range anxiety' and whether you'd be able to Recharge quickly enough too. I'm not the biggest of EV fans and probably won't be, but the Kia is 1 of a few that I like from the off. However it's not cheap as none of the EV's are tbh. Glad you liked it and funny seeing you mention the overtake on a blind bend too, your face was a picture. 🧐🤓👍
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"not cheap"!? what other car with 580HP is cheaper then?
It's all relative. In this case, the same speed and power in an ICE car would probably be at least £10-15k MORE, wouldn't it? You're talking Porsche territory.
£45 just to get to 200 miles range is awful you are paying 60 k for the car and £100 for realistic range of 400 miles is very very poor Not to mention who has 1 hour to spend filling up??? We all know how unenvironmentally friendly the manufacture of EV s is as well. I think leave petrol alone
Rapid charging is the exception for most ev drivers. That charge at home would cost just £8 on overnight cheap rate!
What about all of the petrol car drivers who cannot charge at home? I cannot charge at home and all of the public chargers in our town cost 69 pence per kWh. If I had an EV I would have no choice but to pay that price to charge it. Until the cost of public charging comes down considerably an EV will not be viable for me.
Bloody expensive to charge that - aouch, and damned slow to boot. Another reason that Tesla seems the way to go - if only they had more chargers. That said the actual EV6 is very nice!
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Almost all the time I recharge my EV6 at home which is much cheaper.
Great vid,thanks.A really good review and very informative.Looks like a nice car.
Thank you! 👍
love the t-shirt in the opening monologue.......brb....gonna watch the rest of video now. haha.
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This video is all about charging , where and when to charge. My brain hurts.
Domestic KWh is around 20p - so 60 or 70 is a bit rich. How much did your charging cost you vs what petrol in your 718 would have been? Of course the electric car will need some tyres soon (due to the shredding at full torque) and you had to pay for lunch and breakfast on top of that. Do electric cars make you fatter?
Domestic charging is about 7.5p on an EV tariff - businesses didn't benefit from the price cap though
@@quatrecheeze Plus you pay 20% VAT for roadside chargers. Insta Volt got that wrong for a couple of years and had to put their prices up!
Good points 👍
Great video thank you. I am sure that you would agree that a normal road trip review of a new car (ICE) would only require about 1 min of mpg/fuel and the remaining 24 mins of car dynamics, emotion, sound, handling, looks etc etc. the fact that any electric car review is mostly about route planning, kWh range, downloading apps, sitting around for 30 mins, coffee reviews, charging cost, infrastructure issues etc etc and very little about the actual car dynamics 🤷♀️. I am sticking with ICE for as long as possible.
What do you drive? I suspect this GT6 is not just faster but probably handles better that your car? did you miss the 0-62 in 3.5 sec & 570 bhp part. The fact this car can return an energy consumption equivalent to doing over 150 mpg is what makes EVs amazing! Name a sub 4 second petrol super car that can even average 30mpg?
@@maxtorque2277 I drive a Porsche 718 Cayman S and easily get over 40mpg on a motorway run, handles better than most cars on the road and is a 4 sec 0-60 car 😎.
Not so sure a drive to wales is a grand tour but illustrates a point. I still wouldn't take an EV on one of my tours, having just driven 1,200 from Ljubljana via the alps to London it would have been mega stressful. Full EV fine for town / cities but there is still a massive argument to keep hybrid cars relevant to allow for 'real' touring ability. Grear review as usual but i dont think i will ever come round to EV's for touring when my tours are usually 2,500 miles +
Looked like a fab trip 👍
@PetrolPed that would make an interesting video for you. Antibes and back in an electric car. Via route des grande Alpes. If you need a copilot and want to see if you can convert a skeptic I will be available 😉