"പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ലഭിക്കാൻ വേണ്ടി കാത്തിരിക്കുക തന്നെ വേണം" പക്ഷെ ബൈബിൾ പറയുന്നു "acts 2:38 Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." ഇതിനു മുൻപ് സംസാരിച്ച പാസ്റ്റർ kcJ പറഞ്ഞു "ശരിയാണ് രക്ഷിക്കപ്പെട്ടവർ എല്ലാവരിലും പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ഉണ്ട്. ഷിബു പാസ്റ്റർ പറയുന്നു, ഇല്ല കാത്തിരിക്കുക തന്നെ വേണം. ഒരേ വേദിയിൽ ഇരുന്നുകൊണ്ട് വ്യത്യസ്ത അഭിപ്രായം, അഭിപ്രായ വിയോജിപ്പ്!
Repent , be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of holy ghost. Did you baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and received the Holy Spirit? ? Or you believe in Trinity baptism? ? Just checking Trinity doctrine is a philosophical lie, not in scripture. Colossians 2 : 8
"പിശാചിനാൽ നയിക്കപ്പെടുക എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞാൽ അത്ര മോശം കാര്യമൊന്നുമല്ല " shibu peediackal വേണ്ട, നിങ്ങൾ അത് അഭിമാനമായി വെച്ചോളൂ! മനഃപൂർവമായി അല്ലെങ്കിലും ഈ പറഞ്ഞത് സത്യം. നിങ്ങളുടെ പല പ്രസംഗങ്ങളിലും കാണാം പിശാചിനോടുള്ള ഈ soft corner!
As bro. Rijo Joys wrote already, it's not good to split these messages. One should hear the full program / debate. By spliting these message you do not get the context in which each one spoke. The original media is here: livestream.com/thalsamayamedia/debateindallas
Pastor Shibu, there is absolutely no point of debating with the Brethren denomination regarding anything. You will only be gaslighted by them (a sociopathic tactic). They will take you around in circles with their arguments which they use to deceive many. They won't change either. You are dealing with sociopaths (aka antisocial personality disorder- a mental disorder).The Plymouth Brethren/Kerala Brethren doctrines are based on sociopathic ideologies like Calvinism (specifically, their theology is a branch of Calvinism known as Free Grace theology- which they go to great lengths to pervert God's grace through carnal minded doctrines). They are staunch proponents of penal substitutionary atonement/imputed righteousness, unconditional eternal security, dispensationalism, and cessationalism. They use doctrines in regards to atonement to pervert God's grace into licentiousness. Refer to the following articles regarding an analysis by the late, Daniel Steele (an American theologian from the Methodist background): www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom-intro.htm www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom-chap3.htm www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom-chap4.htm www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom_chap8.htm According to their doctrines, when a believer sins, their sins are not real sins. I will quote from the third link above, "The author has heard Dr. Brooks, of St. Louis, assert that the sins of believers materially differ from the sins of unbelievers, hinting that they are not real sins in God's eyes, because He sees the believer and all his acts only in Jesus Christ. This is the logical conclusion from the premises that character is transferable, that Jesus Christ on the cross became a sinner, and was punished, while we, by a single act of faith, assume His righteousness by an inalienable incorporation into His glorified person in Heaven, and are ever afterward viewed by God as possessing all His moral excellencies, among which is sinlessness." (end of quote) The above mentality is clearly a sociopathic mentality. Sociopaths never find themselves evil no matter what evil they do. They gaslight people to great lengths to deceive them to think that they are actually normal and good people, no matter what evil they do. They have twisted and distorted Scripture to create doctrines to support their arguments. When you understand their psychology, you start realizing how dangerous a mental person can be. Calvinists (ex. Brethren, Baptist, some Pentecostal groups, etc.) and similar groups within Protestants project (an ego defense mechanism) their ongoing sinful behavior and the guilt of it onto Jesus Christ (this is done through their doctrines like imputed righteousness and penal substitutionary atonement). This is why they claim that all of their past, present and future sins are forgiven. By doing this, they suppress (another ego defense mechanism) the requirement for metanoia (change of heart/character) which the Bible clearly teaches. They just continue to sin without seeing the need to actually change. This in turn has created a sociopathic mentality in them (a dead conscience). They use circular reasoning (a sociopathic tactic) to justify their sinful behavior and the false doctrines they use for their defense. Projecting your ongoing evil behavior onto someone else will never help you to change. Instead, it creates sociopathic degenerates. The Brethren today pervert God's grace into licentiousness. I've seen a Brethren teacher (a seminary graduate) twisting and distorting 1 John 1:8-10 to teach that Christian believers will continue to sin even after coming to the knowledge of salvation. He did this by cunningly distorting the above passage by saying that anyone who claims to be without sin is only fooling themselves and living a lie. This is what seminaries do today- train false teachers to promote licentiousness. What does the above passage mean? It's referring to the past tense (previous state) of believers before coming to the knowledge of salvation (this is echoed by Peter and Paul in what they wrote in 2 Peter 1:9; Colossians 3:5-10; Romans 6:15-22; and 1 Corinthians 6:9-11). Everyone has sinned and come short of the glory of God. No one can ever say that they have never sinned. It's when they deny that they have sinned in the past- that they fool themselves and denying the truth (which is what this passage is really saying). This passage is not teaching that Christians are supposed to sin after coming to the knowledge of salvation (again refer to Hebrews 10:26-31). John reiterates in 1 John 2:1-2 that he wrote the letter to keep people from sinning. He further supports this truth in 1 John 3:1-19. Brethren teachers (and other Calvinists) are dangerous carnal minded sociopaths- using methods like twisting and distorting and selective exegesis (selective Bible quoting and misinterpretation) to gaslight people (i.e. make them doubt their own conscience regarding right convictions- in this case one's conscience should convict them that deliberate sinning after coming to the knowledge of salvation is sinful and very dangerous and thus it shouldn't be ever justified through carnal doctrines). What such sociopathic false teachers do is disarm people's conscience and brainwash them to think that the Bible actually teaches and supports licentiousness. This creates a dead conscience in people (which is characteristic for sociopathy- aka antisocial personality disorder). Thus, this is how Satan uses false teachers to create sociopaths (his children) in the world. This is how Satan creates weeds (impostors/fake Christians) among Christians (refer to Matthew 13:24-29,36-43). These false teachers are con artists and agents of the devil (they are empowered by him to use his sociopathic strategies in order to deceive others). Never bother to interact with them as they will go to great lengths to come up with cunning arguments and charm to deceive you. See how Satan works within Christianity to discredit and destroy it. refer to my post (theantisatan.blogspot.com/2016/05/who-are-no-longer-under-condemnation-to.html). Refer to these other articles (by another author) for an excellent discussion regarding the perversion of God's grace by carnal minded Christians and the resulting sociopaths they have created (ex. mass murderers like George Sodini) within Christianity: www.davidservant.com/e_teachings/2005_02 www.davidservant.com/e_teachings/as-a-father You said in another clip that the Brethren are a group which oppose the Holy Bible. That is so true. How can anyone (but sociopaths) ever deny that? People who teach carnal doctrines are the antichrists/false teachers sent into the world by the devil to deceive others and keep them enslaved in sin (refer to 2 Peter chapter 2). Unfortunately, like I said above, even some Pentecostal groups teach the same carnal doctrines. Refer to the following posts: theantisatan.blogspot.com/2015/11/understanding-spiritual-psychology-of_21.html theantisatan.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-deception-behind-doctrine-of.html theantisatan.blogspot.com/2016/11/brethren-vs-pentecostal-debate.html
No brethern teacher will teach u to continue in sin after receiving Jesus as your personal saviour. But it is possible to lead a sinful life if a man is baptised without actually confessing his sin and accepting Jesus as his Saviour. That is what is seen among almost all pentecostal believers.
"പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് വന്നു എന്ന് പറയുന്നത്, പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവിനെ experiance ചെയ്യുന്നതിനെ ആണ് പറയുന്നത്. " അപ്പോൾ മുൻപ് പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് വന്നപ്പോൾ (OT) അത് വന്ന ആളിന്/ആളിന്റെ experiance അല്ലായിരുന്നോ ?
"Jesus s birth" conceived by holy spirit. Genesis 1:2...The same spirit work here. Dat means he received holy spirit ??? When will Jesus recive holy spirit?? The way he interpret is wrong...!!! May God helps you to interpret right thing.
"പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ലഭിക്കാൻ വേണ്ടി കാത്തിരിക്കുക തന്നെ വേണം"
പക്ഷെ ബൈബിൾ പറയുന്നു "acts 2:38 Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
ഇതിനു മുൻപ് സംസാരിച്ച പാസ്റ്റർ kcJ പറഞ്ഞു "ശരിയാണ് രക്ഷിക്കപ്പെട്ടവർ എല്ലാവരിലും പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് ഉണ്ട്.
ഷിബു പാസ്റ്റർ പറയുന്നു, ഇല്ല കാത്തിരിക്കുക തന്നെ വേണം. ഒരേ വേദിയിൽ ഇരുന്നുകൊണ്ട് വ്യത്യസ്ത അഭിപ്രായം, അഭിപ്രായ വിയോജിപ്പ്!
Repent , be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of holy ghost.
Did you baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and received the Holy Spirit? ?
Or you believe in Trinity baptism? ? Just checking
Trinity doctrine is a philosophical lie, not in scripture. Colossians 2 : 8
"പിശാചിനാൽ നയിക്കപ്പെടുക എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞാൽ അത്ര മോശം കാര്യമൊന്നുമല്ല " shibu peediackal
വേണ്ട, നിങ്ങൾ അത് അഭിമാനമായി വെച്ചോളൂ! മനഃപൂർവമായി അല്ലെങ്കിലും ഈ പറഞ്ഞത് സത്യം.
നിങ്ങളുടെ പല പ്രസംഗങ്ങളിലും കാണാം പിശാചിനോടുള്ള ഈ soft corner!
As bro. Rijo Joys wrote already, it's not good to split these messages. One should hear the full program / debate. By spliting these message you do not get the context in which each one spoke. The original media is here: livestream.com/thalsamayamedia/debateindallas
Talks of each person are uploaded separately ... there are many uploads of full program as well
Pastor Shibu, there is absolutely no point of debating with the Brethren denomination regarding anything. You will only be gaslighted by them (a sociopathic tactic). They will take you around in circles with their arguments which they use to deceive many. They won't change either. You are dealing with sociopaths (aka antisocial personality disorder- a mental disorder).The Plymouth Brethren/Kerala Brethren doctrines are based on sociopathic ideologies like Calvinism (specifically, their theology is a branch of Calvinism known as Free Grace theology- which they go to great lengths to pervert God's grace through carnal minded doctrines). They are staunch proponents of penal substitutionary atonement/imputed righteousness, unconditional eternal security, dispensationalism, and cessationalism. They use doctrines in regards to atonement to pervert God's grace into licentiousness. Refer to the following articles regarding an analysis by the late, Daniel Steele (an American theologian from the Methodist background):
www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom-intro.htm
www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom-chap3.htm
www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom-chap4.htm
www.gospeltruth.net/Antinomianism/antinom_chap8.htm
According to their doctrines, when a believer sins, their sins are not real sins. I will quote from the third link above,
"The author has heard Dr. Brooks, of St. Louis, assert that the sins of believers materially differ from the sins of unbelievers, hinting that they are not real sins in God's eyes, because He sees the believer and all his acts only in Jesus Christ. This is the logical conclusion from the premises that character is transferable, that Jesus Christ on the cross became a sinner, and was punished, while we, by a single act of faith, assume His righteousness by an inalienable incorporation into His glorified person in Heaven, and are ever afterward viewed by God as possessing all His moral excellencies, among which is sinlessness." (end of quote)
The above mentality is clearly a sociopathic mentality. Sociopaths never find themselves evil no matter what evil they do. They gaslight people to great lengths to deceive them to think that they are actually normal and good people, no matter what evil they do. They have twisted and distorted Scripture to create doctrines to support their arguments. When you understand their psychology, you start realizing how dangerous a mental person can be.
Calvinists (ex. Brethren, Baptist, some Pentecostal groups, etc.) and similar groups within Protestants project (an ego defense mechanism) their ongoing sinful behavior and the guilt of it onto Jesus Christ (this is done through their doctrines like imputed righteousness and penal substitutionary atonement). This is why they claim that all of their past, present and future sins are forgiven. By doing this, they suppress (another ego defense mechanism) the requirement for metanoia (change of heart/character) which the Bible clearly teaches. They just continue to sin without seeing the need to actually change. This in turn has created a sociopathic mentality in them (a dead conscience). They use circular reasoning (a sociopathic tactic) to justify their sinful behavior and the false doctrines they use for their defense. Projecting your ongoing evil behavior onto someone else will never help you to change. Instead, it creates sociopathic degenerates.
The Brethren today pervert God's grace into licentiousness.
I've seen a Brethren teacher (a seminary graduate) twisting and distorting 1 John 1:8-10 to teach that Christian believers will continue to sin even after coming to the knowledge of salvation. He did this by cunningly distorting the above passage by saying that anyone who claims to be without sin is only fooling themselves and living a lie. This is what seminaries do today- train false teachers to promote licentiousness. What does the above passage mean? It's referring to the past tense (previous state) of believers before coming to the knowledge of salvation (this is echoed by Peter and Paul in what they wrote in 2 Peter 1:9; Colossians 3:5-10; Romans 6:15-22; and 1 Corinthians 6:9-11). Everyone has sinned and come short of the glory of God. No one can ever say that they have never sinned. It's when they deny that they have sinned in the past- that they fool themselves and denying the truth (which is what this passage is really saying). This passage is not teaching that Christians are supposed to sin after coming to the knowledge of salvation (again refer to Hebrews 10:26-31). John reiterates in 1 John 2:1-2 that he wrote the letter to keep people from sinning. He further supports this truth in 1 John 3:1-19. Brethren teachers (and other Calvinists) are dangerous carnal minded sociopaths- using methods like twisting and distorting and selective exegesis (selective Bible quoting and misinterpretation) to gaslight people (i.e. make them doubt their own conscience regarding right convictions- in this case one's conscience should convict them that deliberate sinning after coming to the knowledge of salvation is sinful and very dangerous and thus it shouldn't be ever justified through carnal doctrines). What such sociopathic false teachers do is disarm people's conscience and brainwash them to think that the Bible actually teaches and supports licentiousness. This creates a dead conscience in people (which is characteristic for sociopathy- aka antisocial personality disorder). Thus, this is how Satan uses false teachers to create sociopaths (his children) in the world. This is how Satan creates weeds (impostors/fake Christians) among Christians (refer to Matthew 13:24-29,36-43). These false teachers are con artists and agents of the devil (they are empowered by him to use his sociopathic strategies in order to deceive others). Never bother to interact with them as they will go to great lengths to come up with cunning arguments and charm to deceive you. See how Satan works within Christianity to discredit and destroy it.
refer to my post (theantisatan.blogspot.com/2016/05/who-are-no-longer-under-condemnation-to.html).
Refer to these other articles (by another author) for an excellent discussion regarding the perversion of God's grace by carnal minded Christians and the resulting sociopaths they have created (ex. mass murderers like George Sodini) within Christianity:
www.davidservant.com/e_teachings/2005_02
www.davidservant.com/e_teachings/as-a-father
You said in another clip that the Brethren are a group which oppose the Holy Bible. That is so true. How can anyone (but sociopaths) ever deny that? People who teach carnal doctrines are the antichrists/false teachers sent into the world by the devil to deceive others and keep them enslaved in sin (refer to 2 Peter chapter 2).
Unfortunately, like I said above, even some Pentecostal groups teach the same carnal doctrines. Refer to the following posts:
theantisatan.blogspot.com/2015/11/understanding-spiritual-psychology-of_21.html
theantisatan.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-deception-behind-doctrine-of.html
theantisatan.blogspot.com/2016/11/brethren-vs-pentecostal-debate.html
No brethern teacher will teach u to continue in sin after receiving Jesus as your personal saviour. But it is possible to lead a sinful life if a man is baptised without actually confessing his sin and accepting Jesus as his Saviour. That is what is seen among almost all pentecostal believers.
Including the so called new generation apostles, prophets, pastors etc...
"പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് വന്നു എന്ന് പറയുന്നത്, പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവിനെ experiance ചെയ്യുന്നതിനെ ആണ് പറയുന്നത്. "
അപ്പോൾ മുൻപ് പരിശുദ്ധാത്മാവ് വന്നപ്പോൾ (OT) അത് വന്ന ആളിന്/ആളിന്റെ experiance അല്ലായിരുന്നോ ?
"Jesus s birth" conceived by holy spirit.
Genesis 1:2...The same spirit work here.
Dat means he received holy spirit ???
When will Jesus recive holy spirit??
The way he interpret is wrong...!!!
May God helps you to interpret right thing.