The Demolisher can be summed up in three little words: "Zone of Control." What the Urbanmech claims to do, the Demolisher actually achieves and not just in memes. Having a heavily armored semi-mobile brick of death is not the best way to outfit your entire battalion, but it's a fantastic pivot for one all the same.
@@bthsr7113 I have yet to see it work with any degree of consistency. Conversely, I have blown off the arms and blapped the pilots of many, many Urbies. Well...until I get to MW5/MWO. There, Urbies are actually really good at the ambusher role, but mainly because you aren't shackled to that shitbiscuit 060 rated engine.
@@bthsr7113 Superior numbers? Yes. "Pack tactics"? Yes, with a big red asterisk. Jumping? Bruh, a jump range of 3 is not really usable for much. I can definitely tell most people who talk up the Urbanmech haven't actually used it in the games, or at least, not outside of MWO. In practice, they really, really suck. They're always one piercing hit away from losing most of their firepower if not exploding outright, and they aren't that hard to hit because they never get more than basic cover bonuses due to their bottom-tier speed bracket. The whole "they surprise you with numbers from cover" always assumes their opponents are complete mouth-breathers who never invest into recon BA or light vehicles/vtols, or even just plain BAP in mech-only fights. (or other lights with jump jets who can spot targets from higher ground/flanking positions)
My Battletech tabletop group restricted me from ever using vehicles because I had a number of campaigns where I was rolling with an all-vehicle loadout. First it was the Savannah Master getting restricted after I deployed about 20 of them against a Steiner "scout lance" and somehow won without losing any Savannah Masters (I was expecting to lose half of them). Then it was my flock of Warrior VTOLs getting restricted after I deployed about 25 of them against a Kurita drop and winning that engagement. Then it was the Patton tank that got restricted after I sent them in a Battle of Kursk sort of engagement where I won by attrition by focusing on destroying the legs of the heavy/assault mechs they were going up against. IIRC, the game that got me banned from ever using any vehicle-only loadout was probably the one where I had a bunch of Demolishers sitting around in ambush positions working in pairs (one with long range weapons to bait the enemy and the other with AC20s for that "SURPRISE!!!" factor). Good times.
it always amuses me that vehicles employed with a modicum of intelligence and numbers on their side just make mechs pointless to have, like yes, the timber wolf is one of the finest war machines known to man, but may I introduce you to a scorpion battalion, scout VTOL lance, and artillery platoon, for about the same amount of money.
Why do we love the Demolisher? It instantly converts BattleMechs from three dimensional objects into two dimensional surface coatings of every surrounding building and road.
The Demolisher, great for many uses. For those who know that positioning can beat speed, that the destruction of cover forces panicked repositioning, and that AC20s cause enough psychological damage to ward off many an enemy.
The Demolisher is such a beast that can be undermined by a single soldier with an inferno launcher.. Seriously though, it's a deadly tank that got my opponents so paranoid that they regularly brought inferno ammo in one form or another. Part of the game was 'find the infernos before your tanks get toasted!' Fun memories.
I mean, what's not to love about the Demolisher? It's simple, reliable, cheaper than the battlemech alternative, and nearly as terrifying as a King Crab or Atlas to run into. Given enough point defense add-ons, it can reliably be even more terrifying for infantry who will be turned into red-sauce and jello.
I remember this one guy on the Battletech forums recounting a game where he lost an entire heavy lance of mechs against a single Demolisher tank! That's how dangerous these things are.
Energy weapons are the one thing vehicles don't do well. Your crew can be standing in toxic fumes because your propellant doesn't vent properly but Blake forbid they get a little toasty.
that is why the Schrek exists! enough charged plasma to make even an Atlas think twice! mix up a Battalion of Demolishers, Schreks, Alacorns & LRM/SRM carriers in someplace you don't want mechs stomping around in and they'll pretty much do precisely that!
Fun fact: The engagement featured in the Zhukov entry of TRO:3058, in which a Zhukov battalion destroys a battalion of Demolishers advancing through a field of sugar cane, is based on an actual battle in 1965 where Indian Centurions defeated a battalion of Pakistani M-48 Pattons in the same sort of terrain. I myself like the Demolisher as part of a force, using it to keep enemies from closing with vehicles armed with long-range weapons.
These things are great! Our local group has a bit of a legend around "The Bad One", a single Demolisher that scrapped 255 tons of mech in a single match. I am using that HAG variant, that is nasty.
I played lots of Battletech games, where I spent most of my economy on Demolishers, & the rest on a lance of light mechs & a lance of medium mechs. The light & medium mechs served as hit-&-run units to prevent flanking... distracting my opponent's big mechs, & slowing their advance long enough for me to reposition my Demolishers for prime ambush attacks. Often times, this lead to me being able to isolate enemy mechs from their support units. I constantly demolished my opponents, who spent most of their economy on the latest & greatest assault & heavy mechs. Yes... the pun was absolutely intended. 🤣
The Demolisher is basically a reality check for all those assault jockeys swaggering around in their 100-ton pants. All confidence, all pride, but if there is a Demolisher around the corner they suddenly become much more quiet.
Im so in love with the tank fighting alongside mechs. And the demolisher is so iconic, the shock it injects into a mechwarrior, it was as scary when first encountered in MW4.
I made a pair of fire support designs, one of which had just a stupid number of LRM 5s and the other had a trio of Thunderbolt/20 launchers that I called "Storm Bringer" and I was inspired by the Demolisher.
Reminds me of the Mammoth Tank from Command & Conquer. The new design looks really cool. It also feels like this is a weapon the average Joe can use and take out those aloof, fancy MechWarriors.
Not an average Joe if you're a Tank commander, but still probably below the standing of a Mechwarrior, especially if they pilot something of equivalent tonnage.
I have a 2 company combined arms merc force, with 6 of these evil boogers in it. 2 Gauss armed ones, 2 UAC armed ones, and 2 artillery armed ones. Also a smattering of lighter vehicles, to include a couple of savanna master spotters (tag instead of medium lasers).. I think I have a couple of Galleon light tanks that have a tag onboard, too. My group ALWAYS plays hidden or concealed units, so it's always worth bringing infantry and tanks along.
Great video. On the Arrow 4 variant, you would think that almost any motor pool or depot would be capable of putting the arrow 4 weapons system on it's own chassis and not have to use a servicable demolisher for it.
@@MechanicalFrog maybe add the movement values somewhere on the screen and I think you'll have all the vitals covered. I know you mention it in your script but it's nice to look at the screen and see it all laid out. Keep up the good work.
This tank is one NASTY surprise for any MechWarrior to find behind the corner they just wanted to use for cover. And with Gauss, the reach increases sustantly, plus the MF variant using HAGs, that meant not just range but damage too, you have some EVIL ideas XD
I love and Fear this tank too! As a lance of them RIP my awsome. Ever since then I fell in love with the tank. I have soooooo many variations of this tank but surprisingly my first build was't too far off from yours. Demolisher Heavy Tank (OZ Mk. I) Weight: 80 tons BV: 2,305 Cost: 12,730,500 C-bills Movement: 3/5 (Tracked) Engine: 240 XL Internal: 40 Armor: 220 (Ferro-Fibrous) Front 8/53, Right 8/44, Left 8/44, Rear 8/35, Turret 8/44 Weapons: Ultra AC/20 (Clan) TU (3 tons of ammo 15 shots) Micro Pulse Laser (Clan) RR Micro Pulse Laser (Clan) RS Micro Pulse Laser (Clan) LS HAG/40 (Clan) TU (5 tons of ammo 15 shots) Equipment: Trailer Hitch RR Targeting Computer [Clan] (Clan) BD Active Probe [Clan] (Clan) BD The next one I want to share as it's a funny build for a Demolisher that would make you a giggly hoppy mech frog! (read it carefully). lol Demolisher Heavy Tank (OZ Mk. II ) "Duke of Hazard" Weight: 80 tons BV: 2,200 Cost: 15,762,000 C-bills Movement: 4/6/3 (Tracked) Engine: 320 XL Internal: 40 Armor: 172 (Ferro-Fibrous) Front 8/43, Right 8/34, Left 8/34, Rear 8/27, Turret 8/34 Weapons: Rotary AC/20 (Clan) TU (6 tons of ammo 30 shots) ER Medium Pulse Laser (Clan) TU ER Medium Pulse Laser (Clan)LS ER Medium Pulse Laser (Clan)RS Equipment: Trailer Hitch RR Light Active Probe (Clan) BD
Fun fact: in mw5 if you can't deal with these quickly I've found for most heavies/ well armored mediums you take less damage from the tank step explosion then a single salvo. Coincidentally, I tend to not be invited to a specific mission in Rise of Rauslehog unless my friends hit it like a brick wall😅
@@MechanicalFrog yeah I know how silly it must look to see one of these things and then immediately sprint at top speeds towards it, I do something similar for 40 tonners and the manticore tank if it's actively shredding my lance.
Ah the Demolisher. One of the reasons us dirty Capellans are still around and kicking after the *slight* speedbump that was the 3rd and 4th Succession Wars.
We had a urban game against a Clan Heavy Assault Star with some Light mechs and Demolishers on our side (Classic, Gauss, and 1 Arrow IV variant) We had LOTS of Demolisher tanks and SRM.LRM carriers and did this for fun to see what would happen. I'd never seen a Timberwolf II die that quickly before. While the carriers we bait after shooting their load and peppering the crap out the Clanners, the Demolishers used the rubble to help. and while getting whittled down, we had five demolishers left to no Clans mechs active. After that people started treating tanks with a bit more respect when we play
Turning a corner and running into one of these badboys is a quick and efficient way to get a severe case of brown pants no matter what weight class you pilot. But like the equally ambushy SRM carrier the demolisher is only scarry in said ambush situations. In the open field the mighty demolisher will find itselfe quickly being outrun and immobilized at long range, most often before it can get off a single AC20 salvo. Its also very vulnerable to infantry and battle armor due to the lack of secondaries. As a merc commander i would not take these monsters along, to niche, to slow and to situational. If i wanted a superheavy tank i would rather take something like a behemoth whose weapons loadout allows it to deal with all kinds of threats. Though if i had to guard a base or other structures a lance of these monsters would be a welcomed sight. They are also a great Pirate detergent, so definatly a good pick for militia forces, corporate security forces and governors on a tighter budget.
I think the standard, Clan, and MF Demolishers are my favorite versions, although I do find it amusing that the Demolisher variant I created has sorta the same idea as the MF variant; I created mine before the video got to the Demolisher (Clan). For the Demolisher ISM, I used the Demolisher (Reinforced) as the basis, and switched to Clantech for some things. The Demolisher (Reinforced) ISM utilizes a Clan chassis, XL engine, and heat sinks while retaining the IS targeting and armor. In the turret it mounts 2 Clan HAG40s with 6 tons of ammo. For infantry and Battle Armor defense, besides having to rely on supporting vehicles, it mounts a Clan Micro Pulse Laser on the left and right sides, with 2 more mounted in the rear.
The schrek, demolisher, and manticore are the holy trinity of direct fire support tanks in my opinion. Fill out the vehicle lance with an LRM or arrow iv launcher and you've got one tough nut to crack.
The Demolisher is my counterpoint to the Charger being a good mech. You don't repair a Charger that encounters a pair of Demolishers. Edit: And I like the armor diagrams. 10 tons of armor doesn't register quite as well as seeing how much that is on a tank.
@gmradio2436 People who are being thrifty buying an 8 million C-bill melee-only mech for urban combat when for less than half the cost there is a tank that is specifically built and marketed to defend urban environments from mechs. The Demolisher was literally distributed to garrison worlds that weren't worth a mech garrison, meaning it is exactly the sort of thing that will surprise you when you are attacking a 'vulnerable' planet, especially if you ignore the value of vehicles.
@@135forteNo, I mean other than a Stiener General or Smoked Jaguar, who has the tactical brilliance to enter a prepared position with more than one Demolisher? That is like a landmine that ask you nicely to step on it. Say "No thank you." and go around. The Charger, like the Urbanmechs has ots uses, but if used for any thing else they dies quickly. I don't know your opponent's army list, but congratulations on your win.
@gmradio2436 Meta, running anything into more than twice it's BV is stupid. The thing is that the Charger's entire use case is invalidated by the existence of units like the Demolisher which are cheaper and more effective in the exact scenario the Charger is supposedly good for.
bit of side demolisher trivia - they used demolisher turrets on the Monitor patrol boat - as soon as LBX AC s were introduced back in the day , my mate and i used the demolisher as a test bed. did a Gauss /LBX combo ...
Demolisher is one of those vehicles that I see and want...yes the vehicle isnt the best who cares, besides that price point is brutal and the purpose is straight forward and practical. People see on and instantly start to plan around it rather then their original game plan. The MF version looks very solid so ill be giving that a try soon along with the idea of a fusion engine with plasma rifles and flamers version. Also that demolisher frame can hold a lot of armor. Was going to put more guns but nothing like making mechs feel inadequate like laughing at their shots and gutting them in return
My favorite heavy vehicle company is composed of four standard Demolishers, four Gauss ones, and four Arrow IV ones. It is a very cheap, but monstrously powerful way to defend a city.
Yeah the Demolisher is a pretty deadly tank... but it have to come very close before you have to fear it. Another Tank that I fear more, at least in Light, Med and Heavy Mechs in MW 4 and 5, is the Mantis... at least I hope that was the name. It is a Glascanon, looks not like much, but have 3 PPCs in it's turret and shoots it one after another. (in Game they also often shoots in an alpha strike... yikes! ) xD If it hits, it is pretty deadly and have a higher firerange than the 2 AC/20 of the Demolisher. Bring both together and you will have alot of Mech Pilotes which will wake up from Nightmares every night... if they make it into an hospital of course. :D
That sounds like the Schreck PPC carrier. It’s also another feared vehicle in the BT setting for good reason. Though the Demolisher is a different tool for a different situation. Deploying a Demolisher in open terrain where the Schreck might flourish is a risky proposition.
You know what's even scarier than the Schreck? It's Gauss variant, the Alicorn. 3 Gauss rifles. A very rare variant, but given it was designed before clan ERPPC, it was about as nasty as you could make a vehicle for sniping in terms of the potential to end things fast.
One of the most formidable close-quarters combat vehicles in the game. A nasty trick is pairing a Demolisher with an SRM Carrier, their weapons have similar ranges and those two AC-20s are great for opening holes for the swarm of SRMs to exploit.
Shrek PPC carrier. Allacorn. Rommel. Patton. Demolisher. Hetzer. SRM carrier. The group of 'I hate mechs and I want them to go away.' Many a TT player have found themselves on the 'Smile! Wait for flash!' End of the boomstick. Ive seen plenty of people disregard combined arms until it humbles them *real* fast.
I don't have a lot to add that drastically changes things from existing designs, so I'll just say it would make a good testbed/early adoption platform for refined/new variants of autocannons. Also, your variant seems like expensive fun.
Ah yes, the tank that literally robbed me of my contempt for tracked vehicles in the Battletech universe. "I fear no tank. But that... thing, it scares me." - Some Mechwarrior, probably. P.S.: Does the Arrow IV mean that you can have Demolishers with nukes? A scary thought.
Yes, just keep in mind that while normally you get 5 shots per ton for Arrow IV, each Davy Crocket tipped Arrow IV missile is a whole ton. So you're trading endurance for firepower.
The original Demo is really a great response to the problem of having enemy battlemech's turn up somewhere and you're just a little backwater planet that still thinks a pop up toaster is 'pretty fancy' It's crew training would be minimal, if you can fix a tractor engine or weld up thick metal you can fix it and the range is low enough that you're not exactly going to be taxing the skills of some mostly illiterate survivor of the Succession Wars that just has to point it at the big thing a couple of hundred metres away and pull the triggers. Plus if you ideally mix them in with some recon vehicles for route clearance, a couple of more medium/multipurpose tanks for problem solving, bit of fire support and a command vehicle you can have your own little rolling thunder happening for the price of a clan heavy omnimech. People can discredit the old timey AC20 all they want, two of them in your CT will probably end your mechwarrior's career
I've gotten my 5 and 6 year old into battletech, and my 5 year old loves any and all mechs. My 6 year old, on the other hand, doesn't really care for mechs. He runs Demolishers and Pegasai.
My very first mech battle saw my Battlemaster get shredded when I got surprised by 2 Demolishers. All 4 AC-20's scored a hit and I was able to eject before it went nuclear. Now when I see them I try to take them out immediately.
8:55 not with my luck rolling for cluster hits it isn't. Also I don't know why, but, the image of some periphery unit with a Demolisher that's so old, they have to bail out of the tank a fire the cannons with a pull string has been living rent free in my head for a couple years at this point.
nothing sez love like an AC-20! and the Demolisher delivers it with no fuss. it's not going to set any speed records, but it's not supposed to be fast since you can't outrun a bullet anyways! I love this Tank, especially when it's hiding in a parking Garage or building waiting for an unsuspecting mech to walk around the corner. so much so that I built it's Big Brother. the 100 ton Demolisher 3. a fusion powered nightmare straight out of Hell armed with not 2 but THREE UAC-20's! and just for good measure to keep annoying infantry at bay 5 MG's with a half ton of ammo covering all corners and one in the turret for good measure because why not! when not flattening Mechs, this Tank also excells at Urban Renewal Projects removing stubborn defense emplacements in short order.
Fun fact: the opening quote is erroneous, as the Demolisher entirety postdates the Star League. So great was it's psychological impact, that any assault tank mounting multiple AC/20s was assumed to be one.
*"It's one of those units that people tend to remember when it does something unexpected."* Well... yes. When the Demolisher does something unexpected, it tends to be visible from orbit.
The base Demolisher is a fearsome vehicle on the tabletop. Its paired well with LRM Carrier vehicles. Outside of that its a target I blow up in any other format. Its short ranged, slow, lacks battlefield endurance(ammunition) and lightly armored for its tonnage. If I could I would replace one of those AC-20s with an LRM-20+Ammunition. It shows why the Atlas assault battlemech is so well regarded. That has a much more balanced weapon loadout. The future variants breath new life into the idea. Ultra Autocannon and LBX Autocannon are basic. Gauss Rifles are more interesting due to increased range and accuracy. The MRM-90 variant has improved range and damage. To me the most interesting is a Demolisher with Arrow IV artillery missile launchers.
@@MechanicalFrog Even without that Arrow IVs fired directly do as much damage as AC-20s, but have about 15-20 times as much range. Its strange that there arent more platforms for them. There are a handful of mechs like the clan Naga and DC's Dragon II.
Hello Frog. Yes, I am a long-time 'fan' of the Demolisher tank. Even though slow, its punch in combat cannot be overlooked or overstated. As to the technology of the tank, and its variants, I feel that the Inner Sphere should benefit from advanced materials technologies and that such heavy ACs should weigh less for the same punch. But that is just my 'wish list' item for improving the game overall. As to the MF variant you propose... I think it is well-thought-out, but I would move the laser from the left side, to the rear. Just me, quibbling a bit.
Yeah, AC20 and derivatives are in an okay space, and while I would love to see a Leopard equipped with a RAC 20, the RAC 2 and 5 need work, as do their UAC cousins. Though both would be nice with the UAC and RAC 2 and 5 getting improved while the RAC 10 and 20 get all the usual drawbacks of RAC tech.
I feel like a demo with a single UAC20 and clad in stealth armor backed up with AECM would be a terror machine. Pair any remaining space with either ER or stabdard medium lasers and you have true nightmare fuel for city fighting.
Conversely, i think if i were to refit it for standard use on the battlefield I'd just mash an improved heavy gauss rifle in it with 2-3 tons of ammo and as many ER-MLs it can handle. Ac20 is nice but at those speeds good luck getting it to where you need it on open battlefields.
Demolisher is the tank liked by people who don't like tanks and hated above all by people who hate tanks. Because it does exactly what it says on the tin.
To understand the impact t of the Demolisher Mk I, II, et all on mechwarriors everywhere, look at the other members of the original AFV pool available in OG 3025. (Real AFVs, not the Skulker or gun jeeps/trucks.) Striker, Pegasus, Hunter, Scorpion, Vedette, Galleon, and Manticore as a heavy lifter. Those first six are fine AFVs, but they're not able to stop a 'mech company. Hinder and harass, but not stop it. The Manticore has the firepower, but not the protection to be a lasting barrier, and its speed won't give it an evasion bonus either. (The OG version had heat sinks too, which was enough trouble at times to explain the massive ICE adaptation in TRO3027.) Then the Demolisher rolls on to the board, and things suddenly change. It is a killbox designed to halt an enemy advance by getting in front of it and opening fire. Armored enough to take two PPC shots to any location and still remain functional. Armed with two (count 'em, 2) AC 20s that can blow the legs off any 'mech not a Heavy, and a few of those, too, and regardless of location, a hit forces the dreaded Stability Piloting Check. (Falling prone in LOS of a Demolisher is hard luck, and potentially fatal!) Massive enough that a Push or DFA kick isn't a guaranteed success. the Demolisher is here boys, and it's here to stay! The basic formula of two big guns works with all the upgrades in any era, but the original MK I is just as capable of leg-chopping in 3151 as in 3051 or 2951. The power plant & heat sinks was meant to showcase its power back then, but I'm sure it was also meant to retain game balance regarding the fearsome tank. Putting the ICE engine in for the TRO was a RAW-legal cheat that freed the big panzer to relentlessly stalk and kill enemy 'mechs and vehicles. Art-wise I liked all your choices for the video. The 2.0 mini put out by Catalyst is good at showcasing the bulk and raw firepower of the tank. But I still have a fondness for the original design, with the wide body topped by the circular turret, and the four track units that made it seem more quadruped than tracked vehicle. it made for an imposing mini on the table! I expect further displays of power from the new mini.
Great timing on this. Ran a capture base mission in BTA 3062 up in Ghost Bear space today, and it was guarded by 2 Binaries: 1 Mech and 1 vehicle. The vehicle 1 had 3 Clan Demolishers, 2 double Clan Ultra 20 variants, and the double 20 LBX. ( Plus a couple of Mars and Clan Rhinos thrown in for good measure). I went into that battle with a Combined Arms Company, and came out of it with a badly damaged Lance. I well and truly hate Demolishers. (And Clan Rhinos, those things are just, ouch).
@bthsr7113 They took a Royal Rhino, gave it all Clan weapons, added ART IV fire control, and added more armor. If you run into any Clan Garrison Cluster's, you might run into one. Plus Clan Alacorn's ain't no joke either; 4 Clan Gauss Rifles kinda hurt when they hit. Think a Gausszilla on tracks.
On the MRM Demolisher front, a Skulker (C3M) and a pair of Sprint Scout VTOL (C3)’s makes a really cheap way to greatly enhance the range and accuracy of missile fire
Other players unfamiliar with combined arms : " Whoa! What is that crazy tank, is it really from Battletech"? Me: "That's a Battledroid Demolisher. They made the mini crazy big back then." Other players: "What can you do with that slow giant thing, infantry, and a few other vehicles but no mechs?" Me: "Follow it and the infantry into the city and find out!"
Seems like I had to disable my addblocker to make a decent comment on this video... YT being heavy handed with forcing adds down everybody's throat again. Anyway, nice video!
I really should have put hash mark mech kills on my pair. In close range envirments make even atlas's pause. Got another pair coming in the kickstarter.
Many a time have I surprised a mech only player with a pair of these :-) gotta love something that can kill anything you pit them against if the enemy doesn't get a lucky hit :-) fun watch as always
The Demo is a great tank. I look forward to fielding a bunch of these in the future, so rarely do tanks get respect but this is one of the few no one can disrespect without getting slapped in the face. IF i were making my own, I think i would have gone with two hag 30s. I'm a big fan of the paired weapons. It lacks the solid bunch of a gauss rifle but no tank is an island. You can back it up with with the double gauss, or the UAC-10 versions and when a mech gets too close, the AC 20s just off to the side will put it down. Ammo might be a concern buut that just means you gotta call your shots.
It really only needed 2 upgrades throughout history from the original AC20s. Twin Gauss rifles and Twin UAC20s. Aside from rearmmoring it in ferro fiberious the design team should keep this thing as cheap to produce as possible. Not to say they shouldnt offer engine upgrades to the discerning customer. Sometimes you do need to fight on a moon lacking in atmosphere, and fuel cells are absolutely terryfing to sit on when under fire.
There’s a simple reason that the demolisher is loved. It’s a pocket king crab run on a shitty diesel engine.
Well described. :D
"POCKET CRABS!!!" -Dale Steiner
Diesel engines never die!
You leave the perfection of turbski diesel out of this.
@@SindriTheReaper I’ve worked around industrial diesel engines for years…my honest favorite is Caterpillar.
The Demolisher can be summed up in three little words: "Zone of Control."
What the Urbanmech claims to do, the Demolisher actually achieves and not just in memes.
Having a heavily armored semi-mobile brick of death is not the best way to outfit your entire battalion, but it's a fantastic pivot for one all the same.
It definitely makes running into an area with blind corners a risky proposition.
No, the Urbie does it too. Sure, maybe not as well (assuming you're talking about individual base model units), but not every game includes vehicles.
@@bthsr7113 I have yet to see it work with any degree of consistency. Conversely, I have blown off the arms and blapped the pilots of many, many Urbies.
Well...until I get to MW5/MWO. There, Urbies are actually really good at the ambusher role, but mainly because you aren't shackled to that shitbiscuit 060 rated engine.
@@atmosdwagon4656 Were the other cases using jumps, pack tactics, and superior numbers?
@@bthsr7113 Superior numbers? Yes. "Pack tactics"? Yes, with a big red asterisk. Jumping? Bruh, a jump range of 3 is not really usable for much.
I can definitely tell most people who talk up the Urbanmech haven't actually used it in the games, or at least, not outside of MWO.
In practice, they really, really suck. They're always one piercing hit away from losing most of their firepower if not exploding outright, and they aren't that hard to hit because they never get more than basic cover bonuses due to their bottom-tier speed bracket.
The whole "they surprise you with numbers from cover" always assumes their opponents are complete mouth-breathers who never invest into recon BA or light vehicles/vtols, or even just plain BAP in mech-only fights.
(or other lights with jump jets who can spot targets from higher ground/flanking positions)
My Battletech tabletop group restricted me from ever using vehicles because I had a number of campaigns where I was rolling with an all-vehicle loadout. First it was the Savannah Master getting restricted after I deployed about 20 of them against a Steiner "scout lance" and somehow won without losing any Savannah Masters (I was expecting to lose half of them). Then it was my flock of Warrior VTOLs getting restricted after I deployed about 25 of them against a Kurita drop and winning that engagement. Then it was the Patton tank that got restricted after I sent them in a Battle of Kursk sort of engagement where I won by attrition by focusing on destroying the legs of the heavy/assault mechs they were going up against.
IIRC, the game that got me banned from ever using any vehicle-only loadout was probably the one where I had a bunch of Demolishers sitting around in ambush positions working in pairs (one with long range weapons to bait the enemy and the other with AC20s for that "SURPRISE!!!" factor). Good times.
it always amuses me that vehicles employed with a modicum of intelligence and numbers on their side just make mechs pointless to have, like yes, the timber wolf is one of the finest war machines known to man, but may I introduce you to a scorpion battalion, scout VTOL lance, and artillery platoon, for about the same amount of money.
I really like having the paper doll with armor on-screen: it makes it a lot easier to gauge how vulnerable a design is to fire from a specific angle.
It was a little experiment. Thank you for the feedback. I may do it for mechs as well in the future.
Why do we love the Demolisher? It instantly converts BattleMechs from three dimensional objects into two dimensional surface coatings of every surrounding building and road.
It mashes, it bashes, it makes Julien fries!
The Demolisher, great for many uses.
For those who know that positioning can beat speed, that the destruction of cover forces panicked repositioning, and that AC20s cause enough psychological damage to ward off many an enemy.
It'll definitely make someone re-think rushing through an urban area.
The Demolisher is such a beast that can be undermined by a single soldier with an inferno launcher..
Seriously though, it's a deadly tank that got my opponents so paranoid that they regularly brought inferno ammo in one form or another. Part of the game was 'find the infernos before your tanks get toasted!' Fun memories.
Everyone loves the game, "Pass the Inferno."
It's not paranoia if they are actually out to get you. I keep my infernos close and ready. #neveragain
I mean, what's not to love about the Demolisher? It's simple, reliable, cheaper than the battlemech alternative, and nearly as terrifying as a King Crab or Atlas to run into. Given enough point defense add-ons, it can reliably be even more terrifying for infantry who will be turned into red-sauce and jello.
I'm reminded of that viral video of the artillery shell being fired into the ballistics gel dummy...
Ragu, Chunky Style!
love the Demolisher, it's the vehicle that most reminds 'Mechs that they're not alone on the battlefield
Someone has to keep those egos of mechwarriors in check.
I remember this one guy on the Battletech forums recounting a game where he lost an entire heavy lance of mechs against a single Demolisher tank! That's how dangerous these things are.
It only has to be lucky once while the mechs widdle down that 40 points of armor.
@@MechanicalFrog Well, considering that it was in a city map and there was plenty of rubble for cover, it got more than lucky.
Very disappointing that the Demolisher MF didn't have a bunch of plasma Rifles or Plasma cannons.
I've failed you.
@@MechanicalFrogNot for me, HAGs are what I would have went with.
Energy weapons are the one thing vehicles don't do well. Your crew can be standing in toxic fumes because your propellant doesn't vent properly but Blake forbid they get a little toasty.
@@MechanicalFrog 2 plasma rifles or 2 hags but no...
that is why the Schrek exists!
enough charged plasma to make even an Atlas think twice!
mix up a Battalion of Demolishers, Schreks, Alacorns & LRM/SRM carriers in someplace you don't want mechs stomping around in and they'll pretty much do precisely that!
Fun fact: The engagement featured in the Zhukov entry of TRO:3058, in which a Zhukov battalion destroys a battalion of Demolishers advancing through a field of sugar cane, is based on an actual battle in 1965 where Indian Centurions defeated a battalion of Pakistani M-48 Pattons in the same sort of terrain.
I myself like the Demolisher as part of a force, using it to keep enemies from closing with vehicles armed with long-range weapons.
Heh, that's a cool historical reference.
pretty much with the ICE engine, any crit roll from an inferno would pretty much stop the tank as ICE engines go boom.
Yeah that LBX variant is BEAST! Too bad it's so expensive BV/PV-wise.
Yeah it's definitely an investment.
@@MechanicalFrogsurprised you didn't use this model as a base and change 1 lbs to an ultra ac20. One of each, an lbs 20 and ultra ac20 gives options!
@@Nerve_CheckThat is the Demolisher 2. 100 tons, one UAC20 one LB20, 2 machineguns.
The Demolisher is to vees what the Atlas is to mechs.
Big and scary, yet still adorable. An enigma.
@@MechanicalFrogBIG. SHOOTY. TANKS. :)
These things are great!
Our local group has a bit of a legend around "The Bad One", a single Demolisher that scrapped 255 tons of mech in a single match.
I am using that HAG variant, that is nasty.
"The Bad One." I love it.
Turning a corner and coming face-to-face with an Urbanmech: "Oh. Well this sucks."
Turning a corner and coming face-to-face with a Demolisher: "Oh-" 💥
I played lots of Battletech games, where I spent most of my economy on Demolishers, & the rest on a lance of light mechs & a lance of medium mechs. The light & medium mechs served as hit-&-run units to prevent flanking... distracting my opponent's big mechs, & slowing their advance long enough for me to reposition my Demolishers for prime ambush attacks.
Often times, this lead to me being able to isolate enemy mechs from their support units.
I constantly demolished my opponents, who spent most of their economy on the latest & greatest assault & heavy mechs.
Yes... the pun was absolutely intended. 🤣
The Demolisher is basically a reality check for all those assault jockeys swaggering around in their 100-ton pants. All confidence, all pride, but if there is a Demolisher around the corner they suddenly become much more quiet.
"Double the Gun, double the fun" -Tank Commander Sam Stone (call-sign: "Serious")
Can't take issue with that.
The original demolisher and variants are hard to beat. Just overall great vehicle. Great video as always frog.
Thanks a ton. Have a great one, Defiant!
Im so in love with the tank fighting alongside mechs. And the demolisher is so iconic, the shock it injects into a mechwarrior, it was as scary when first encountered in MW4.
It definitely leaves an impression.
I made a pair of fire support designs, one of which had just a stupid number of LRM 5s and the other had a trio of Thunderbolt/20 launchers that I called "Storm Bringer" and I was inspired by the Demolisher.
Oh... you're the LRM-5 person... *Glare*
I mean, I love the Demolisher and all, but the Fortune does "get off my lawn" while wearing a Mini-Zeus as a hat.
Reminds me of the Mammoth Tank from Command & Conquer. The new design looks really cool. It also feels like this is a weapon the average Joe can use and take out those aloof, fancy MechWarriors.
It does have that vibe to it.
Not an average Joe if you're a Tank commander, but still probably below the standing of a Mechwarrior, especially if they pilot something of equivalent tonnage.
I have a 2 company combined arms merc force, with 6 of these evil boogers in it. 2 Gauss armed ones, 2 UAC armed ones, and 2 artillery armed ones. Also a smattering of lighter vehicles, to include a couple of savanna master spotters (tag instead of medium lasers).. I think I have a couple of Galleon light tanks that have a tag onboard, too. My group ALWAYS plays hidden or concealed units, so it's always worth bringing infantry and tanks along.
Sounds like a recipe for fun... and possibly the end of a friendship.
Love the Demolisher, taking a break from the Balius harassment I'd love to see a video on the Epona.
We'll see...
Because it Demolishes.
In a world of uncertainty, it's nice to have something that does what it says on the tin
Message delivered. Message received.
Great video. On the Arrow 4 variant, you would think that almost any motor pool or depot would be capable of putting the arrow 4 weapons system on it's own chassis and not have to use a servicable demolisher for it.
Strap it to Danny. He is good for a laugh.
I am stunned the MF variant wasn't quad Plasma Cannons.
I like that you show the armor values when you do the variant rundown. That's a nice touch.
Thank you for the feedback. The response on that has been very positive so we will be doing that for tanks and mechs in the future.
@@MechanicalFrog maybe add the movement values somewhere on the screen and I think you'll have all the vitals covered. I know you mention it in your script but it's nice to look at the screen and see it all laid out. Keep up the good work.
I will include the movement profile with each unit in the future as well.
To quote a certian adopted son of Barney Rubble, "Bam, Bam!".
Never underestimate the awesome drawing power of big guns.
This tank just demolishes the competition.
Well named then.
The reason we love Demolishers is Lyran scalpers got all the Saladin orders again.
How dare they... how...dare...they...
This tank is one NASTY surprise for any MechWarrior to find behind the corner they just wanted to use for cover.
And with Gauss, the reach increases sustantly, plus the MF variant using HAGs, that meant not just range but damage too, you have some EVIL ideas XD
I just wish to spread the word of Gauss far and wide...
@@MechanicalFrog That word has 660 meters of reach, that´s plenty of reach i would say XD
It's brutal in closed spaces and is still useful in a squad of vehicles either pushing up as the others fire or babysitting the fire support.
Absolutely. It leaves an impression and teaches a valuable lesson.
This is the tank AC/DC were thinking of when they wrote Big Gun.
Fact Check: True.
I love and Fear this tank too! As a lance of them RIP my awsome. Ever since then I fell in love with the tank. I have soooooo many variations of this tank but surprisingly my first build was't too far off from yours.
Demolisher Heavy Tank (OZ Mk. I)
Weight: 80 tons BV: 2,305 Cost: 12,730,500 C-bills
Movement: 3/5 (Tracked) Engine: 240 XL
Internal: 40 Armor: 220 (Ferro-Fibrous)
Front 8/53, Right 8/44, Left 8/44, Rear 8/35, Turret 8/44
Weapons:
Ultra AC/20 (Clan) TU (3 tons of ammo 15 shots)
Micro Pulse Laser (Clan) RR
Micro Pulse Laser (Clan) RS
Micro Pulse Laser (Clan) LS
HAG/40 (Clan) TU (5 tons of ammo 15 shots)
Equipment:
Trailer Hitch RR
Targeting Computer [Clan] (Clan) BD
Active Probe [Clan] (Clan) BD
The next one I want to share as it's a funny build for a Demolisher that would make you a giggly hoppy mech frog! (read it carefully). lol
Demolisher Heavy Tank (OZ Mk. II ) "Duke of Hazard"
Weight: 80 tons BV: 2,200 Cost: 15,762,000 C-bills
Movement: 4/6/3 (Tracked) Engine: 320 XL
Internal: 40 Armor: 172 (Ferro-Fibrous)
Front 8/43, Right 8/34, Left 8/34, Rear 8/27, Turret 8/34
Weapons:
Rotary AC/20 (Clan) TU (6 tons of ammo 30 shots)
ER Medium Pulse Laser (Clan) TU
ER Medium Pulse Laser (Clan)LS
ER Medium Pulse Laser (Clan)RS
Equipment:
Trailer Hitch RR
Light Active Probe (Clan) BD
Nice. I'd take either of those into battle.
Fun fact: in mw5 if you can't deal with these quickly I've found for most heavies/ well armored mediums you take less damage from the tank step explosion then a single salvo. Coincidentally, I tend to not be invited to a specific mission in Rise of Rauslehog unless my friends hit it like a brick wall😅
It definitely makes me do a course correction any time I see one in MW5.
@@MechanicalFrog yeah I know how silly it must look to see one of these things and then immediately sprint at top speeds towards it, I do something similar for 40 tonners and the manticore tank if it's actively shredding my lance.
"It's the MANTICORE!" I can't help but yelping it out on sight...
Ah the Demolisher. One of the reasons us dirty Capellans are still around and kicking after the *slight* speedbump that was the 3rd and 4th Succession Wars.
We had a urban game against a Clan Heavy Assault Star with some Light mechs and Demolishers on our side (Classic, Gauss, and 1 Arrow IV variant) We had LOTS of Demolisher tanks and SRM.LRM carriers and did this for fun to see what would happen. I'd never seen a Timberwolf II die that quickly before. While the carriers we bait after shooting their load and peppering the crap out the Clanners, the Demolishers used the rubble to help. and while getting whittled down, we had five demolishers left to no Clans mechs active. After that people started treating tanks with a bit more respect when we play
Turning a corner and running into one of these badboys is a quick and efficient way to get a severe case of brown pants no matter what weight class you pilot.
But like the equally ambushy SRM carrier the demolisher is only scarry in said ambush situations. In the open field the mighty demolisher will find itselfe quickly being outrun and immobilized at long range, most often before it can get off a single AC20 salvo. Its also very vulnerable to infantry and battle armor due to the lack of secondaries.
As a merc commander i would not take these monsters along, to niche, to slow and to situational. If i wanted a superheavy tank i would rather take something like a behemoth whose weapons loadout allows it to deal with all kinds of threats. Though if i had to guard a base or other structures a lance of these monsters would be a welcomed sight. They are also a great Pirate detergent, so definatly a good pick for militia forces, corporate security forces and governors on a tighter budget.
It should absolutely make a pirate raider second-guess running into that urban area unscouted.
The Demolisher is a King Crab on treads, for WAY less price. The name is truth in advertising.
Well put.
Aww yes, Demolishers along with SRM carriers being great examples of "mech-b-gone" units.
Indeed!
My man Mechfrog doing it again!
Thanks for doing my second favorite tank.❤
Glad I could deliver. Have a great day!
I think the standard, Clan, and MF Demolishers are my favorite versions, although I do find it amusing that the Demolisher variant I created has sorta the same idea as the MF variant; I created mine before the video got to the Demolisher (Clan). For the Demolisher ISM, I used the Demolisher (Reinforced) as the basis, and switched to Clantech for some things.
The Demolisher (Reinforced) ISM utilizes a Clan chassis, XL engine, and heat sinks while retaining the IS targeting and armor. In the turret it mounts 2 Clan HAG40s with 6 tons of ammo. For infantry and Battle Armor defense, besides having to rely on supporting vehicles, it mounts a Clan Micro Pulse Laser on the left and right sides, with 2 more mounted in the rear.
That's a big HAG hug...
Demolisher?
But I hardly know her!
(Couldn't resist)
*rimshot*
The schrek, demolisher, and manticore are the holy trinity of direct fire support tanks in my opinion. Fill out the vehicle lance with an LRM or arrow iv launcher and you've got one tough nut to crack.
Good times had by all... except their targets.
Alacorn?
@@RibusPQR not a fan of the unicorn fancy schrek myself but its a solid tank.
Hadn't seen that art before. Demolisher lookin' sharp.
The CGL re-envisioning really did it justice.
The Demolisher is my counterpoint to the Charger being a good mech. You don't repair a Charger that encounters a pair of Demolishers.
Edit: And I like the armor diagrams. 10 tons of armor doesn't register quite as well as seeing how much that is on a tank.
Thank you for the feedback on the diagrams. It was a little experiment and I think I will keep it going.
Who keeps sending Chargers into pairs of these things?
@gmradio2436 People who are being thrifty buying an 8 million C-bill melee-only mech for urban combat when for less than half the cost there is a tank that is specifically built and marketed to defend urban environments from mechs. The Demolisher was literally distributed to garrison worlds that weren't worth a mech garrison, meaning it is exactly the sort of thing that will surprise you when you are attacking a 'vulnerable' planet, especially if you ignore the value of vehicles.
@@135forteNo, I mean other than a Stiener General or Smoked Jaguar, who has the tactical brilliance to enter a prepared position with more than one Demolisher?
That is like a landmine that ask you nicely to step on it. Say "No thank you." and go around.
The Charger, like the Urbanmechs has ots uses, but if used for any thing else they dies quickly.
I don't know your opponent's army list, but congratulations on your win.
@gmradio2436 Meta, running anything into more than twice it's BV is stupid. The thing is that the Charger's entire use case is invalidated by the existence of units like the Demolisher which are cheaper and more effective in the exact scenario the Charger is supposedly good for.
Ah, yes, the Hildeguarde. The Cleanest Tank Interior In The Inner Sphere. It gets detailed after every fight.
Good times had by all.
bit of side demolisher trivia - they used demolisher turrets on the Monitor patrol boat -
as soon as LBX AC s were introduced back in the day , my mate and i used the demolisher as a test bed. did a Gauss /LBX combo ...
Demolisher is one of those vehicles that I see and want...yes the vehicle isnt the best who cares, besides that price point is brutal and the purpose is straight forward and practical. People see on and instantly start to plan around it rather then their original game plan.
The MF version looks very solid so ill be giving that a try soon along with the idea of a fusion engine with plasma rifles and flamers version.
Also that demolisher frame can hold a lot of armor. Was going to put more guns but nothing like making mechs feel inadequate like laughing at their shots and gutting them in return
I'm glad it has its fans. Let me know how the MF works out.
My favorite heavy vehicle company is composed of four standard Demolishers, four Gauss ones, and four Arrow IV ones. It is a very cheap, but monstrously powerful way to defend a city.
That would be quite the challenging force.
Because anything that can kneecap an Atlas and be home in time for tea deserves to be loved.
Yeah the Demolisher is a pretty deadly tank... but it have to come very close before you have to fear it.
Another Tank that I fear more, at least in Light, Med and Heavy Mechs in MW 4 and 5, is the Mantis... at least I hope that was the name.
It is a Glascanon, looks not like much, but have 3 PPCs in it's turret and shoots it one after another. (in Game they also often shoots in an alpha strike... yikes! ) xD
If it hits, it is pretty deadly and have a higher firerange than the 2 AC/20 of the Demolisher.
Bring both together and you will have alot of Mech Pilotes which will wake up from Nightmares every night... if they make it into an hospital of course. :D
That sounds like the Schreck PPC carrier. It’s also another feared vehicle in the BT setting for good reason.
Though the Demolisher is a different tool for a different situation. Deploying a Demolisher in open terrain where the Schreck might flourish is a risky proposition.
@@cobalt968 Ah the Schreck... Like the Oger from that Disney Pixar movie. :D
Thanks for the correction. ^^
You know what's even scarier than the Schreck? It's Gauss variant, the Alicorn. 3 Gauss rifles. A very rare variant, but given it was designed before clan ERPPC, it was about as nasty as you could make a vehicle for sniping in terms of the potential to end things fast.
One of the most formidable close-quarters combat vehicles in the game. A nasty trick is pairing a Demolisher with an SRM Carrier, their weapons have similar ranges and those two AC-20s are great for opening holes for the swarm of SRMs to exploit.
SRM Carriers... oof. Scary.
Yep,
Demolishers are the ultimate ambush killers
I DO like those long range variants 'though, including the Clan Tech MF
Good times had by all. It's a fun option for mixing things up from the usual mech-fare.
Shrek PPC carrier. Allacorn. Rommel. Patton. Demolisher. Hetzer. SRM carrier.
The group of 'I hate mechs and I want them to go away.'
Many a TT player have found themselves on the 'Smile! Wait for flash!' End of the boomstick.
Ive seen plenty of people disregard combined arms until it humbles them *real* fast.
It's a lesson some need to learn through experience. And that's ok. ;D
I don't have a lot to add that drastically changes things from existing designs, so I'll just say it would make a good testbed/early adoption platform for refined/new variants of autocannons. Also, your variant seems like expensive fun.
"Can we put anything bigger on it?"
>Yes we can... Yes we can...
@@MechanicalFrog It doesn't necessarily have to be bigger, just more versatile and or lethal.
Ah yes, the tank that literally robbed me of my contempt for tracked vehicles in the Battletech universe.
"I fear no tank. But that... thing, it scares me." - Some Mechwarrior, probably.
P.S.: Does the Arrow IV mean that you can have Demolishers with nukes? A scary thought.
Yes, just keep in mind that while normally you get 5 shots per ton for Arrow IV, each Davy Crocket tipped Arrow IV missile is a whole ton. So you're trading endurance for firepower.
I mean... sure... if you want.
Can't wait for the plastic CGL Demolisher!
Yes. Very much so.
The original Demo is really a great response to the problem of having enemy battlemech's turn up somewhere and you're just a little backwater planet that still thinks a pop up toaster is 'pretty fancy'
It's crew training would be minimal, if you can fix a tractor engine or weld up thick metal you can fix it and the range is low enough that you're not exactly going to be taxing the skills of some mostly illiterate survivor of the Succession Wars that just has to point it at the big thing a couple of hundred metres away and pull the triggers. Plus if you ideally mix them in with some recon vehicles for route clearance, a couple of more medium/multipurpose tanks for problem solving, bit of fire support and a command vehicle you can have your own little rolling thunder happening for the price of a clan heavy omnimech.
People can discredit the old timey AC20 all they want, two of them in your CT will probably end your mechwarrior's career
Sometimes you just have to be lucky once vs. someone else who has to be lucky multiple times.
I've gotten my 5 and 6 year old into battletech, and my 5 year old loves any and all mechs. My 6 year old, on the other hand, doesn't really care for mechs.
He runs Demolishers and Pegasai.
It's good that they're specializing. Together they can be a mixed arms powerhouse.
This is exactly what a tank should be, heavily armored and deadly.
The AIV version is important, because paired with a VTOL, you can TAG'n'bag battlemechs across the field.
Sadly you can't get the WH13 trifecta with snagging because AIV doesn't leave a lot behind.
@@bthsr7113 Run that one by me again?
@@oneproudbrowncoat Warehouse 13. Their operational mantra was, "Snag it, bag it, and tag it."
My very first mech battle saw my Battlemaster get shredded when I got surprised by 2 Demolishers. All 4 AC-20's scored a hit and I was able to eject before it went nuclear. Now when I see them I try to take them out immediately.
A lesson learned well, then. :D
8:55 not with my luck rolling for cluster hits it isn't. Also I don't know why, but, the image of some periphery unit with a Demolisher that's so old, they have to bail out of the tank a fire the cannons with a pull string has been living rent free in my head for a couple years at this point.
nothing sez love like an AC-20!
and the Demolisher delivers it with no fuss.
it's not going to set any speed records, but it's not supposed to be fast since you can't outrun a bullet anyways!
I love this Tank, especially when it's hiding in a parking Garage or building waiting for an unsuspecting mech to walk around the corner.
so much so that I built it's Big Brother.
the 100 ton Demolisher 3.
a fusion powered nightmare straight out of Hell armed with not 2 but THREE UAC-20's!
and just for good measure to keep annoying infantry at bay
5 MG's with a half ton of ammo covering all corners and one in the turret for good measure because why not!
when not flattening Mechs, this Tank also excells at Urban Renewal Projects removing stubborn defense emplacements in short order.
Fun fact: the opening quote is erroneous, as the Demolisher entirety postdates the Star League. So great was it's psychological impact, that any assault tank mounting multiple AC/20s was assumed to be one.
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sweet 4:30 am cant sleep thanks frog for making this video mate
😴 Get some rest!
i got a little mate new bloody meds dont help lol but got a job trial tonight yeeep im delverying pizza @@MechanicalFrog
*"It's one of those units that people tend to remember when it does something unexpected."* Well... yes. When the Demolisher does something unexpected, it tends to be visible from orbit.
"No matter what, we're not leaving today without something exploding."
The base Demolisher is a fearsome vehicle on the tabletop.
Its paired well with LRM Carrier vehicles.
Outside of that its a target I blow up in any other format. Its short ranged, slow, lacks battlefield endurance(ammunition) and lightly armored for its tonnage. If I could I would replace one of those AC-20s with an LRM-20+Ammunition.
It shows why the Atlas assault battlemech is so well regarded. That has a much more balanced weapon loadout.
The future variants breath new life into the idea. Ultra Autocannon and LBX Autocannon are basic. Gauss Rifles are more interesting due to increased range and accuracy. The MRM-90 variant has improved range and damage. To me the most interesting is a Demolisher with Arrow IV artillery missile launchers.
Wouldn't need very many of the Arrow IV variants to shift things if you've got a couple of scouts running around with TAG.
@@MechanicalFrog Even without that Arrow IVs fired directly do as much damage as AC-20s, but have about 15-20 times as much range.
Its strange that there arent more platforms for them. There are a handful of mechs like the clan Naga and DC's Dragon II.
Should be noted that UAC is clan UAC so it has plenty of range
@@huntermad5668 the Clan UAC-20 has only +20% more range.
That is a lot in military world.
Outrange the enemy and all
Hello Frog.
Yes, I am a long-time 'fan' of the Demolisher tank. Even though slow, its punch in combat cannot be overlooked or overstated.
As to the technology of the tank, and its variants, I feel that the Inner Sphere should benefit from advanced materials technologies and that such heavy ACs should weigh less for the same punch.
But that is just my 'wish list' item for improving the game overall.
As to the MF variant you propose... I think it is well-thought-out, but I would move the laser from the left side, to the rear. Just me, quibbling a bit.
With the arrival of double heat sinks, the autocannons, especially the 2s, 5s, 10s, have suffered the most.
Yeah, AC20 and derivatives are in an okay space, and while I would love to see a Leopard equipped with a RAC 20, the RAC 2 and 5 need work, as do their UAC cousins.
Though both would be nice with the UAC and RAC 2 and 5 getting improved while the RAC 10 and 20 get all the usual drawbacks of RAC tech.
80 ton battle tank is only 8 tons more than a fully loaded M1A1 Abhrams today!
Demolisher: blowing away the pelvis equivalent of mech’s with their Mafia Goggles on too tight for hundreds of years. Thanks for the video.
"Dude, where's my pelvis?"
I feel like a demo with a single UAC20 and clad in stealth armor backed up with AECM would be a terror machine. Pair any remaining space with either ER or stabdard medium lasers and you have true nightmare fuel for city fighting.
Conversely, i think if i were to refit it for standard use on the battlefield I'd just mash an improved heavy gauss rifle in it with 2-3 tons of ammo and as many ER-MLs it can handle. Ac20 is nice but at those speeds good luck getting it to where you need it on open battlefields.
Stealth tank... I like it!
Demolisher is the tank liked by people who don't like tanks and hated above all by people who hate tanks. Because it does exactly what it says on the tin.
Well put.
The reasons we all love the Demolisher can be stated with three letters BFG
Never underestimate the awesome drawing power of big guns.
To understand the impact t of the Demolisher Mk I, II, et all on mechwarriors everywhere, look at the other members of the original AFV pool available in OG 3025. (Real AFVs, not the Skulker or gun jeeps/trucks.) Striker, Pegasus, Hunter, Scorpion, Vedette, Galleon, and Manticore as a heavy lifter. Those first six are fine AFVs, but they're not able to stop a 'mech company. Hinder and harass, but not stop it. The Manticore has the firepower, but not the protection to be a lasting barrier, and its speed won't give it an evasion bonus either. (The OG version had heat sinks too, which was enough trouble at times to explain the massive ICE adaptation in TRO3027.)
Then the Demolisher rolls on to the board, and things suddenly change. It is a killbox designed to halt an enemy advance by getting in front of it and opening fire. Armored enough to take two PPC shots to any location and still remain functional. Armed with two (count 'em, 2) AC 20s that can blow the legs off any 'mech not a Heavy, and a few of those, too, and regardless of location, a hit forces the dreaded Stability Piloting Check. (Falling prone in LOS of a Demolisher is hard luck, and potentially fatal!) Massive enough that a Push or DFA kick isn't a guaranteed success. the Demolisher is here boys, and it's here to stay! The basic formula of two big guns works with all the upgrades in any era, but the original MK I is just as capable of leg-chopping in 3151 as in 3051 or 2951. The power plant & heat sinks was meant to showcase its power back then, but I'm sure it was also meant to retain game balance regarding the fearsome tank. Putting the ICE engine in for the TRO was a RAW-legal cheat that freed the big panzer to relentlessly stalk and kill enemy 'mechs and vehicles.
Art-wise I liked all your choices for the video. The 2.0 mini put out by Catalyst is good at showcasing the bulk and raw firepower of the tank. But I still have a fondness for the original design, with the wide body topped by the circular turret, and the four track units that made it seem more quadruped than tracked vehicle. it made for an imposing mini on the table! I expect further displays of power from the new mini.
Excellent additional info. Thank you for sharing it.
Great timing on this. Ran a capture base mission in BTA 3062 up in Ghost Bear space today, and it was guarded by 2 Binaries: 1 Mech and 1 vehicle. The vehicle 1 had 3 Clan Demolishers, 2 double Clan Ultra 20 variants, and the double 20 LBX. ( Plus a couple of Mars and Clan Rhinos thrown in for good measure). I went into that battle with a Combined Arms Company, and came out of it with a badly damaged Lance. I well and truly hate Demolishers. (And Clan Rhinos, those things are just, ouch).
I didn't know about the Rhino, thanks for brining that beast to my attention.
@bthsr7113 They took a Royal Rhino, gave it all Clan weapons, added ART IV fire control, and added more armor. If you run into any Clan Garrison Cluster's, you might run into one. Plus Clan Alacorn's ain't no joke either; 4 Clan Gauss Rifles kinda hurt when they hit. Think a Gausszilla on tracks.
The Demolisher is like if Mike Tyson was a tank
This is probably pretty accurate.
As someone who drove tanks during the Iraq war, you're doing nothing but talking my love language! Shoot, move, communicate!
Thank you for your service. We will definitely keep covering tanks on the channel. There are many more fun ones to see.
The good ol demolisher, one of the best units to use against people who dont understand that vees can and will kill mechs.
Sometimes people just have to learn the hard way.
On the MRM Demolisher front, a Skulker (C3M) and a pair of Sprint Scout VTOL (C3)’s makes a really cheap way to greatly enhance the range and accuracy of missile fire
Taaaaaaaaanks for the memories....😊
Off to the races... slowly...
@@MechanicalFrog Hey, those are "tortoises" you have to RESPECT!
Absolutely.
The Arrow4 variant can cause severe puckering. Had a few run ins with these in game.
"Being hit with Arrow IV may void warranty"
As hilarious as I find urbanmechs, these are probably a better purchase, ton for ton.
Definitely the better option.
Other players unfamiliar with combined arms : " Whoa! What is that crazy tank, is it really from Battletech"?
Me: "That's a Battledroid Demolisher. They made the mini crazy big back then."
Other players: "What can you do with that slow giant thing, infantry, and a few other vehicles but no mechs?"
Me: "Follow it and the infantry into the city and find out!"
What could go wrong?
everything a heavy tank in BT should be!
And how!
Seems like I had to disable my addblocker to make a decent comment on this video... YT being heavy handed with forcing adds down everybody's throat again.
Anyway, nice video!
Thanks a lot for giving it a go.
Favorite tank when I'm using it, least favorite when anyone else is.
Ain't that the truth...
I really should have put hash mark mech kills on my pair. In close range envirments make even atlas's pause. Got another pair coming in the kickstarter.
It'll definitely make you think twice before wandering into an urban area.
Many a time have I surprised a mech only player with a pair of these :-) gotta love something that can kill anything you pit them against if the enemy doesn't get a lucky hit :-) fun watch as always
Thanks a ton for coming by. Go Demolisher!
The Demo is a great tank. I look forward to fielding a bunch of these in the future, so rarely do tanks get respect but this is one of the few no one can disrespect without getting slapped in the face.
IF i were making my own, I think i would have gone with two hag 30s. I'm a big fan of the paired weapons. It lacks the solid bunch of a gauss rifle but no tank is an island. You can back it up with with the double gauss, or the UAC-10 versions and when a mech gets too close, the AC 20s just off to the side will put it down. Ammo might be a concern buut that just means you gotta call your shots.
A solid plan. Teamwork ++
Pair a couple of these bad boy with a Brutus and a Von Luckner and you have a horrific urban warfare or ambush vehicle lance
Good times had by all...
It really only needed 2 upgrades throughout history from the original AC20s. Twin Gauss rifles and Twin UAC20s. Aside from rearmmoring it in ferro fiberious the design team should keep this thing as cheap to produce as possible. Not to say they shouldnt offer engine upgrades to the discerning customer. Sometimes you do need to fight on a moon lacking in atmosphere, and fuel cells are absolutely terryfing to sit on when under fire.
I have fun brainstorming how to use vehicles against mechs. Call me conventional, but I see the value in conventional vehicles and infantry.
Nothing wrong with that. I hope we see some fun battles in the future with the Kickstarter models arriving this year.
Demolisher IIC: says "Die."
And we do... we really do.
Demolisher MF, also known as the Demolisheribbit.
Operation Rolling Frog is go.
Great video! Thanks ‘Frog!
Glad you enjoyed it! Have a great day!