The History Of Weight Misses In UFC Title Fights
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Knowing how fat Paddy Pimblett gets after every fight, The UFC should never EVER give him a short notice fight.
tell me you have no idea how weight cutting works without telling me
Unless its at Heavyweight 🤣
@@radekbonk23 Even if he cuts all his water weight he'd still definitely not be in fight shape and would probably be too heavy even with the water cut.
@@radekbonk23 what're you talking about? With how big paddy gets if he took a fight on short notice he'd have work his ass off just to get to normal weight before he even thought of cutting to fight weight.
@@radekbonk23 no u
“Warriors don’t miss weight” Andy Wang
that guy is a warrior
Tell that to Charles Oliveira
its been a long time since i saw an Andy Wang meme
Charles missed weight due to the size of his balls for overcoming all that BS he had to put up with.
he won, we can stop pretending dude has respect for the weight cutting process lmao
@@radekbonk23 exactly. i get so tired of the fake outrage from many of these mma fans when fighters miss weight but then totally cream their shorts when oliviera misses weight. i like his fighting style but he deserved to lose the belt
@@radekbonk23 Exactly. The scales may have been dodgy but everyone else still made weight
@@GoodStuff1992 keep the same energy for GSP then
@@tsunax1400 Exactly. I’m not about conspiracies but I’m pretty sure on that card over 6 fighters came in 1/2lb more than what they usually come in at but it was fine because they allow that when you’re not fighting for a title.
Dont forget about the ones who "made weight" Cough cough DC and Khabib
Hey hey smartass we don’t talk about that moment bro 😂💀
An gsp
Lol the salt in your comment 😂
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5:37 in one of your other videos TTH pointed out that Canadian(I believe) athletic commissions did this commonly in both MMA and boxing. So gsp didn't miss weight, he was basically told 170.9 and below is basically acceptable so why would anyone cut more if they don't have to? 🤦🏼
Title fights are no more than 170.0
@@jeremygrunberg2768 take it up with the commission
@@superwhiteboy619 that's not how this works your commit was they told him he was fine at 170.9 it's a written rule that why Nick diaz had an issue with it they broke the rule for gsp
@@jeremygrunberg2768 if that's not how it works why was the UFC ok with it? I'm sure they knew the rules going in
Diaz bros and their fans always looking for excuses
@@superwhiteboy619 why did olvera get his title took
Charles got screwed. With the manual scale they were using I've seen commissioners say guys made weight before its evened out. Gsp was given leniency in Canada bc they round down and then Whittaker vs Yoel was a non title fight bc yoel missed. But Justin was allowed to win the belt? There's still so many grey areas in so many rules in mma and UFC.
Yoel missed weight as a contender, so he couldn’t win the title and Whittaker would remain the champ regardless. Oliveira missed weight as a champ, so he was stripped of the title and Justin still could win it
@@davidchaladze1082 yea that's true. I just remember them saying it wasn't a title fight anymore but it still sucks that it didn't count as a defense.
This is the 5th time he's missed weight and you all still say he got screwed lol. He shouldn't have bulked so much and he would've made weight easily, it's his own fault.
@@dagwood5041 THE CHAMPION HAS A NAME
Gsp wasn't given leniency... the athletic commission literally told all the fighters before weigh ins that the they did not count the numbers after the decimal point.
That .9 pound allowance in the GSP situation, the Canadian commission worked that way for every fight back then, it could have been anybody and they would have allowed it. They just didn't take that into account.
Personally i think heavyweight already needs to have a split in its division. There are alot of heavyweights only in the 230pbs area and others barely making the 265lbs limit.
Agreed, forcing those 230ish guys to cut 25lbs to 205 would be too rough, whether they are flabby or not.
There’s not enough talent in heavyweight to justify a split.
The smaller guys make up for their weight/size disadvantage by being faster.
@@therealclp7488 no HW in the ufc outside Randy Couture has been on the bottom side of that weight and fought for a title.
Even DC was in the 240s. Plus with how fighters like frankie Edgar began to struggle with guys at 155 I don't think thats a very good argument.
Yes stipe would have never lost his title if he had not fight a guy like francis who has like 35 pounds on him
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Idk if it's just me being a layman who has never had to do an extreme weight cut, but it seems to be in a very similar vein of thought as PED's. Both can be *arguably* safe when used with medical knowledge and in controlled situations, but often enough they lead to seriously dangerous short/long term consequences for the person taking the respective risk, all in the name of gaining an unfair advantage over an opponent.
If the basic premise of cutting a ton of water weight and body fat is to fight people in a smaller weight class to what you normally walk around at, how is that any better than sticking drugs in your system to fight someone who is fighting naturally? Because everyone is doing it? Sounds familiar 🤔
I'm not trying to start shit, I genuinely want to know if I'm missing something really obvious or weight cutting really is as dumb as it seems to me.
no it really is that dumb. there are exceptions but it seems for the most part both fighters in a bout cut weight to have that size advantage come fight night. but when you think about it, what exactly is the advantage if both fighters walk around at close to the same weight but still cut down?
There's been no conclusive studies conducted on MMA fighters cutting weight. A lot of what people think are advantages to cutting weight all boils down to bro science. In contrast, Powerlifters who do cut weight, have a significant advantage over others if they weigh heavier. And this is well established that size is related to how much you can bench, deadlift, or squat (but of course there are outliers). In conclusion, it makes sense for Powerlifters who only have to lift weights in a specific manner, but it doesnt for MMA fighers who fight. And no it's not equivalent to taking PED's. In fact, the effect of PED's is that it allow you to cut more weight while retaining a lot of the benefits, but the weight cut itself isnt what gives the benefits.
@@joshuadeboyer9992 these are exactly my thoughts, but to people from a wrestling background they almost seem talk about it as if it's as normal as a training drill so I'm wondering if I'm missing something as an average fan 🤷♂️
One championship method is superior. Im 5’7”. Can believe that people as tall as olives and gaethje would cut down to my weight. Unsafe i think.
How do u even know ?? U sound ridiculous
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scales back stage: 155
scales on stage: 155.5
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no scale in your hotel room?
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Travis Lutter missing weight against Anderson Silva was the first time I remember seeing it and it blew my mind
They should consider having weight classes every 10lbs. If a fighter has an issue with cutting weight maybe the should consider trying to manage their weight to 5-10lbs of the weight class they compete in to make their weight cuts easier
They talked about that on JRE with BJ Penn and it’s worth a listen if u haven’t heard it!
@@gillheatfan I heard him say it view times. He’s even mentioned hydration test. I think having healthy fighter competing is important for the fighter but it puts them during the fight to make cognitive decisions
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Fantastic, great job as always. As far as the whole weight cutting/dehydration debacle I would suggest implementing what ONE did, but also having the fighters do a weigh in for the fight three days ahead of time instead of the day before. This would allow for any dehydration woes to be properly taken care of via rehydration and relaxation. They could also choose to implement rules that have already been discussed but not implemented such as not allowing fighters to cut more than 15 lbs from their natural weight. You have to remember that Anthony Johnson used to fight at welterweight but walk around at heavyweight. Yes he had problems making weight on numerous occasions but he had 13 successful fights at welterweight as well.
People say that Tj ruined Barao, but I think there’s a good argument that it was a concussion after he fell while cutting weight.
“I fainted, hit my head, was taken to the hospital, and don’t remember anything?”
How long was he out cold via blunt force trauma to the brain?
Sadly Tj Ruined Barao, same way that Gaethje ruined our boy Tony.
He was never the same after USADA tho🤔
@@roozbehbey nope, gaethje didn't ruin tony and TJ has never ruined anyone's career but his own.
Probably a combination of that and the colossal ass whoopings from TJ
look up Barao's record before UFC, he was like 12 fights deep into career fighting guys like 0-0-0 or 0-1-0, fucking cans multiple times, not a single good win on that resume before UFC
Does nobody else think it’s ass backwards that everybody EXCEPT the champion (and possibly his challenger) get the 1 Lb allowance??? I feel like the commissions truly have that one wrong.
the contender got the 1lb allowance too?
@@nab5999 no
It's championship weight. You cannot weigh in at 156 and win the 155 title
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As soon as I saw Charles miss weight, I knew the next video y'all would put out
It wasn’t though.
I think they should put a rule, if you miss weight twice you can’t fight in that weight again, so mandatory weight class upgrade, and ufc heavy weights should not have a 250 or whatever limit.
Adding in weight testing at intervals before the fight would help. Do a weight check 30 days, 15 days and 7 days out to ensure a fighter is actually going to make weight. Aside that, stronger financial repercussions certainly make a difference. And lastly, having a more stringent process to change weight classes, such as an application and approval process being required on an annual basis, would go a long way to avoid athletes thinking they can fight wherever they choose whenever they want to.
Have there been times where the UFC has allowed fighters to change or compete in weight classes where it's obvious that the amount of weight the athlete would have to cut to make weight (or the amount of time they would have to do it) would entail serious health risks to the athlete.
Paulo Costa vs Marvin Vettori fits this scenario although UFC probably did it to save the main event from being cancelled.
Yes, look up catchweight fights. There have been a few lately.
I really feel something is shady about charles scale. I feel like even initially if he was over that 1hr is well enough time to cut .5 so to say the scale didnt even move is crazy.
Exactly. I’m not about conspiracies but I’m pretty sure on that card over 6 fighters came in 1/2lb more than what they usually come in at but it was fine because they allow that when you’re not fighting for a title.
It's possible there just wasn't any more water in him to come out. Sure, there technically was but at some point your body is going to start fighting back because that kind of dehydration leads it to believe it's dying,
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As I see it, one way to discourage drastic weight cuts--and therefore limit high profile misses--is to taper the weigh-ins leading into the fight. The exact numbers would need to be decided more seriously but having to weigh in at, say, no more than 110% of the limit two weeks out and 115% of the limit three or four weeks out, etc, would limit how much of the weight cut is just last-minute water loss, and if fighters see that they can't maintain a higher walking-around weight between fights as a result, then they either find themselves adjusting to a lighter "normal" so they're cutting less, or look at moving to a more natural class for their day to day weight.
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Man every time I see Paddy making weight vs how he’s off season makes me concerned for his health
Paddy is undoubtedly on EPO. There is no possible way he gets THAT blown up & suddenly is completely shredded at weigh-ins. It does not physically make sense. He’s 100% on EPO or something akin to it.
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I don't understand, please help. Somebody told me years ago that you want to train heavier, cut to make the weigh in, then fight heavy...is that right?
Yep that’s right.
@@hellofrominside8524 ok, I get that being heavier can give an advantage, but how much heavier can they get between weigh in and fight night for that to matter so much? Does training and walking around at a heavier weight give that much of an advantage?
Cmon guys, youre a good mma channel, you should know connor wasn't the sports first double champ
The disrespect to Dan Henderson’s name. And don’t give us that “in UFC” when clearly Jason says “the World’s first.” Tisk, tisk.
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I believe there should be more divisions it would open the door for some of those fighters that are not really supposed to be in that weight but they have no other option.
Boxing offers the Titan division. Reserved for those guys that resemble Bob Sapp. The guys who are just absolutely huge.
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I'm a couple of days behind but damnit when Jason The "Hart" does a video I fuckin click play!
Dammit what’s the name of movie scene he used at -5:30. I watched it years ago but can’t remember it’s name for the life of me
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Beats are pretty cool
One detail I find extremely amusing about the whole 223 situation is that Tony tripped on the cable on April Fools day
It would be interesting if UFC kept track of a fighter's walk around weight out of competition and used that to dictate their division. Instead of having guys like romero cut 30+ lbs, take their normal healthy weight and give them 10-20 lb limits
This seems so logical, I don’t get why the ufc go with the current model, just bizarre. Most fighters are weight bullies at this point
this is genuinely a terrible idea
Everyone’s walk around weight different. For example paddy pimblett. He’s a monster in the weight room he fought at 155 in London ,
,he just told everyone recently after the fight we weighed in at 202 pounds.. which would put him in light heavyweight . That’s just one example there’s probably more
@@ben9262 yeah dehydration almost to the point of death is a much better solution
@@DrSpaceman69 or just use hydration tests
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Idk remember Al missing weight but it's crazy that Dana said he can't still win the belt if he won...but do Bronx can't bc there are rules....like now with everything that came out about the scale,having multiple fighter saying it was fucked up...he should give the belt to do Bronx....does anyone know if they took away the ppv points
OH MY GOD JASON THE HART WHAT UP BRO ITS BEEN TOO DAMN LONG
9:33 - hahahaha. Okay, that was funny
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How did ik this was coming
So is that towel move allowed or nah?
Oliveira has missed weight 6 times in his career but his fans don't like to hear about that
yeah and then they will complain about yoel, dern or whomever
Truth
That's true, but this time was a little bit strange.
HOW DO U KNOW ??
He was at 145 when missed alot
10 times fighters were painfully unaware that they were losing the fight?
I can't believe title fight weight misses are that rare
Except that’s how the Canadian commissions handled all championship weigh ins at the time.
Do top ten mma countries. Look at the fans at helmeted history etc
8:55
Classic Tony 🕶🔪
Honorable mention to when WEC Middleweight champ Paulo Filho failed to make weight against Chael Sonnen during their title rematch, a rematch Sonnen won, never got the championship for and never will because WEC was folded two years later.
When was the last time Jason did a video? 😂
Missed Jason!
Not that anything was funny about the whole debacle around UFC 223, but the fact that we all found out that Tony had to pull out on April Fools Day is hilarious
Charles missing weight was one of the most unbelievable thing in UFC. That scales guys will forever be sus.
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Damn I completely forgot about Khabib vs Max almost happening!!!! Could you imagine how that fight might have played out?!?!
For Brazilians, this is nothing more than the Argentinean way. A Brazilian team plays there, and the supporters will be banging on the hotel the whole night. The commission comes up with many excuses to not let supporters, interfere with the event in ways that favor the local team.
Charles was in Arizona, where there were apparent interference and mess around. It is up to UFC to make sure this thing doesn't happen. At the end of the day, If you are a prospect fighter looking for money and fame and an organization doesn't look professional, you may look somewhere else.
It is undoubtedly very disappointing that the organization has stripped the title of a fighter in shady circumstances who has been 10 years in the organization.
If you are the manager of an excellent prospect, you would think twice if to sign with the organization or look for fame and money somewhere else. Bellator and One Fight are pretty good events these days.
Exato, meu mano. Pareceu muito uma hometown advantage. E o UFC é uma empresa privada, então eles podem fazer e acobertar o que quiserem, inclusive forçar um campeão americano. Zoaram a balança COM CERTEZA. Só ver as entrevistas do Charles e dos reporteres que estavam lá, muitos dos atletas falam a mesma coisa.
Nah if that GSP one counted then you have to give oliveira that same leniency
Different commissions though.
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The way it SHOULD be is that the fighters weigh in right before the fight like literally 10 minutes before the fight and if they miss weight then they lose 80% of their pay. I can guarantee that no one would miss weight anymore and no more of this moving weight classes every other fight everything would be much simpler!
wao thought this dude left the channel
Remember that time DC leant on the towel to make weight?
"Matt Serra somehow beat GSP." Yeah... GSP took him lightly and overlooked him. That's how it happened
How can you say McG was the world's first double champ?? He was the first UFC double champ
Jason!!! Now we need a video from the other British blonde dude lol
I'm 1 min in dont you bring up my boy DC
The scale official didn’t like Oliveiras suit at the press conference the day before.
I think it's hilarious how DC finessed the NY athletic commission. Can't be mad he got one over on em. Dude lost 5 lbs in 3 minute. 😂😂 Love you DC!!!
Edit: I do think they should add a 165 lb weight class and make 205-225 heavyweight and 225-265 super heavyweight. 205-265 is a huge difference.
Either modify/change the weight limits, or base it on walking around weight. I don't know exactly how they'd do the former, I'll admit. The latter I can simply point to the hospitalizations or dropped fights included in the video. There's nothing healthy about being to the point of trembling and almost passing out at the weigh-in.
Im still confused on the Nico Montoya events. She said she couldn't make the weight. Dana threatens to strip her, she tries and doesn't, dana blames her for everything.
Missing weight has got to seriously piss off the other fighter. "I worked and suffered to make weight but you can't you fat fuck." I guess that's what I'd be thinking.
Lets all be honest. Charles 100% made weight, that scale was SCUFFED to the MAX.
The scale in the back might have been but the scale for the official weigh in wasn’t everyone weighed in on both and he’s the only one that missed weight (keep in mind the 1 pound allowance for non title fights)
"Move the fighters up and strip all the champions" That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard, you could just up the weight limit of the classes
Correct. You would just be redefining what was considered a welterweight, lmiddleweight, light weight etc.
The champion had a name and he is charles olivera
I think since they’re weighed before they make their walk outs they shouldn’t be allowed to fight if over a certain weight. Like hey, you’re fighting at 170 but it shows you naturally walk around at 220 and that’s just too much.
Yea Conor was “immediately” stripped 2 years later😂