Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying on Sex, Gender, and Preparing Kids for Adulthood
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- In part two of my conversation with evolutionary biologists Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, we discuss what evolutionary biology can teach us about sex, gender, adulthood, and religion. With the recent explosion in transgender identification across American society, along with the censorious condemnation of any criticism within polite circles, we must reexamine the nature of human individuality and our fundamental understanding of male and female. Bret and Heather give a thorough explanation of why biological sex evolved in the first place and how it’s actually defined scientifically. We then zoom out to see how this particular issue is just one facet of a broader cultural trend that’s undermining our ability to become true adults who are capable of leading productive, fulfilling, and moral lives.
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Outline:
[0:00] Why going outside really matters
[4:41] Gender is the software of sex
[13:45] Human flexibility vs inescapable biology
[22:48] Monogamy, birth control, and casual sex
[29:12] Transgender dogma undermines women’s liberation
[37:21] Valuable diversity and the scientific method
[44:32] The provisional role of scientific authority
[46:59] How media twists true data to spread false narratives
[52:29] What does it mean to be (and become) an adult?
[1:01:45] Kids destroy your life…and give you something better
[1:10:28] The purpose of traditional rites of passage
[1:17:50] Adapting religious orthodoxy to the 21st century
[1:24:13] Faith, Catholicism, and morality
[1:33:43] How do we justify human dignity?
[1:38:25] Be grateful for and protect what we have
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#evolution #evolutionarybiology #gender
Hello again, friends! For those discovering this video who haven't seen the first part (or subscribed to the channel, which I ask you kindly to do!) here's the link so you can check out part 1. czcams.com/video/gwQHLHNsKvw/video.html
In this conversation, we get into some tougher stuff, and Heather even turns the tables on me when it comes to questions of faith. I hope you enjoy this, find it useful, and stick around because we've got some awesome conversations coming up including Peter Boghossian, Russ Roberts, Wilfred Reilly... and even former NYC mayor Bill de Blasio!
Here's the chapters of this video:
[0:00] Why going outside really matters
[4:41] Gender is the software of sex
[13:45] Human flexibility vs inescapable biology
[22:48] Monogamy, birth control, and casual sex
[29:12] Transgender dogma undermines women’s liberation
[37:21] Valuable diversity and the scientific method
[44:32] The provisional role of scientific authority
[46:59] How media twists true data to spread false narratives
[52:29] What does it mean to be (and become) an adult?
[1:01:45] Kids destroy your life…and give you something better
[1:10:28] The purpose of traditional rites of passage
[1:17:50] Adapting religious orthodoxy to the 21st century
[1:24:13] Faith, Catholicism, and morality
[1:33:43] How do we justify human dignity?
[1:38:25] Be grateful for and protect what we have
Great talk I learned a lot about the new weight loss trends on Ticktock and which bicycle tires are best. I think Brett and Heather mentioned something about biology in there somewhere but I'll certainly be ordering that new barbell.
Compelled speech.
They want to FIRCE you to speak words that you know are false, to think thoughts that you know are false, to see 5 lights instead of 4.
It is a FEATURE of any Communist regime that it insists that you speak lies.
"Live not by Lies."
-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Oh my, you've got my eyes blurry! Bret, and his beloved Heather have truly helped so many of us navigate through these "funny" times.
#BlessedBeThee🐦
You seem unaware that the New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant, and that the Talmud says Jesus is in Hell boiling in feces, and that America is Israel's little bltch.
YOU EXPERTS NEED TO LEARN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS. PRIMARY BIOLOGICAL. SECONDARY FEELINGS MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY. YOU ARE NO EXPERTS 😂😂😂😂
The rare joy of listening to sane adults/humans. If the Nobel prize were still worth something, I'd nominate Heather and Bret for humans of the decade. #Sanity
I concur! Intelligent, lovely, American Heroes. Truly.
That prize is just as political as the cover of Time magazine.
You can’t change sex and the legal system and laws should reflect that. Laws should not enforce fiction or lies.
You don't care about biology or law. You just hold bigotries and hatred due to your extremely poor character.
Same as Bret and Heather.
Do you deny the relationship between HIV and AIDS like Bret and Heather do as well?
I was a tomboy. I had so much freedom to literally play in the dirt and get filthy, grimy, sweaty, hurt sometimes. It was bliss, and toughened me up. I still play in the dirt, but I am a real woman, feminine, and so glad to exist/be exactly as I was created. Let girls be/exist, let boys be/exist. Stop pushing this confusion on children, not even in high school. It is grooming.
I wish they could see my standing ovation for everything they are saying.
Sit down, incel.
I think what we've lost is the idea that life is sacred. Life is miraculous.
I absolutely love how respectful Brett and Heather are of each other. Notice how they never interrupt each other. Adore both! ❤❤
I noticed that, too.
I really like this interviewer, he's endearing and smart. He's open to learn but also self expressive. He's a bit different, his character comes through and I personally like it.
You made my day with this lovely comment. Thank you. I understand those who are like “hey buddy, why don’t you just shut the hell up” too. Different strokes!!
Phew
😁
I knew Heather and Bret, would be brilliant. As usual, thoughtful, soft spoken, prepared.
Been waiting for this. Thanks for the good content. These two need more eyes and ears.
CZcams and the establishment won’t allow it. But that doesn’t mean they’ll stop or that we’ll stop seeking them out!
I’ve not been astute enough to voice my opinion on the changing gender roles from the 70”s to now. Heather, well said!
Religious principles of living a good life still apply today. I also think that going back to the roots and traditions is very valuable even in this new world. And I also like that this has not changed. The older we are the more we go back to our roots. My grandfather was an Orthodox priest, and I’m more drawn to his life and teachings than ever before. And this is somehow liberating. I live in Canada and I’m probably going back to my roots.
Not a practicing Christian but totally agree. Now more than ever as our secular 'educated' population creates other things to worship.
Traditions came about for a reason! Traditions solve problems.
It is human nature to sacrifice everything for your highest priority. Most people do it accidentally.
To me it looks like adulthood comes when one makes the conscious, voluntary decision to sacrifice everything for their highest priority. That’s why it is so often triggered by parenthood. Suddenly that child is the most important thing in the world, and every sacrifice can be made for the child’s benefit.
This is brilliant. Love HH and BW. And as a raised Catholic, the same nun who taught us religion (she included all major religions in senior years in a positive, never disparagingly) taught us biology, including evolution. And we had a Quaker teacher (Geography), a Jewish teacher (mathematics, commerce). They were given holidays for their "feast" days. 1970s.
Excellent conversation with these two wonderful humans. ❤️💛
I finished listening to the rest of the podcast after I made a comment, but need to add, Bret and Heather really complement each other. Bret has always had a way of describing highly intellectual thinking in understandable language for everyone to grasp.
“We don’t know what’s jeopardizing it.”
The jeopardy comes from misaligned priorities. Human beings will sacrifice everything for their highest priority, and right now we prioritize safety, comfort, and convenience. The species got this far by prioritizing courage, authenticity, and excellence. Those are the “traditional values” that have been lost, but it’s not too late to reclaim them.
Cooperation. Humans thrived with cooperation and social bonds.
@@llkoolbean4935 VOLUNTARY cooperation
I gave this a listen because I love Bret and Heather and boy, I sure wasn't disappointed! I took a lot of notes. ❤As an ex-Christian, podcasts with great conversations like this have become church to me. It feels great to quench my spiritual and intellectual thirst at the same time.
Much love from Canada, the land of the not-so-free. ❤
Thank you for this amazing comment, even if it’s making me a little uncomfortable to be a religion replacement. A high compliment to be sure!
P.S. sorry about Canada. It seems even farther down the road to serfdom than the US. Gulp.
I too thought this was a great podcast, thought provoking in so many ways. I’ve read “Man’s Search for Meaning” many times over the years and that aspect of no matter the circumstances, we are ultimately in control of our thoughts has always stuck with me. I’m not religious but I can see how expanding your mind and listening to other perspectives could be so helpful. I live in Canada too and I agree, the now not so land of the free and especially so here in B.C.!
@@lizanneward1484 Well sending you extra love then because I am also in BC! Eastern Fraser Valley. What about you?
I’m from Vancouver but live in Victoria now and so we can both relate to the craziness of what is going on not just from the Federal Govt. perspective but also the Provincial Government!
I too enjoyed this and I’m a Christian. I’m curious about your ex-Christianity though.
What happened?
The problem here is that Bret and Heather think that logic is the coin of the realm. When you're up against postmodernists, that's bringing a gun to a banana fight. That is why it is so important to follow James Lindsay
You've gotta be kidding
@@KGS922 no
The problem is logic?! Oof... I think the problem is people confusing PERSONALITY with gender/sex... Humanity is a species with a distinct, intrinsic binary divide: male(man) and female(women) - there are biological, mental, emotional differences all based on the very genetics, capabilities and body compositions of these differences.
@@JustinVillemure postmodernists don't acknowledge logic
This is correct. The arguments being offered by the woke are emotionally motivated rationalizations.
At least part of the truth is extremely politically incorrect. Many of the conversations we must have to sort out the truth these days are, but the rise of women is society has lead to these emotionally charged illogical ideologies. Not sure what to do about that though …
Thank you for this marvelous video! Three exceptionally learned people NOT trying to sell me an ideology But instead candidly offering their personal observations and insights and offering well thought out suggestions on how to approach the pressing issues of our time. And leaving me with much to think about!
Polished!
Thanks everybody. Great convo
Brilliant conversation! As a nurse who is EXTREMEMLY interested in scientific mysteries. What Ive witnessed the last several years has been nothing but some sort of social science experimentation on people claiming science as the irrefutable god made me horrified and terrified.. I grew up fighting cultic doctrines and survived, knowing full well how they work. I could see very clearly the fear, the redefining of foundational literal words to fit narratives being made up without foundations. Anyone knowing how to READ and understand the science can clearly see how the data is being manipulated for exploitation. It made me embarrassed to be part of the medical profession. I now just care for very few people in my family that are very keen on "the science" seeking vision beyond this fake overton window we are being sold as the ONLY WAY.
I raised three kids. And as environmentalists, we lived very simply. Education and experiences are the things we spent money on. We unschooled. They shared rooms. Spent time outside. Kids are not that expensive if they don't need a new iphone every year. And then we have three adults who live light on the earth and can follow their passions because they're resourceful and know how to support one another and live in community. And you know those kids with iphones and the latest games. They now don't seem to know how to work and have relationships. Raise your kids close to the Earth.And they will help solve the future and they will be happy. Also we come in this world with death as a known outcome. So why bring children into the world??? Enjoy and bring goodness and peace to the world while you're here. There are never any guarantees.
neat little slip into anti-natalism there.
What a relief to actually see and hear some sane and aware adults for a change.
I just discovered this channel; I’ll be listening to more. At 1:40, you just blew me away! And Heather’s answer: “I don’t know how to answer that question.” Ha! Nailed it!
Welcome aboard, my friend. Glad to have you here!!
I watched the previous episode with Bret and Heather and was incredibly turned off by the amount of ads. I took a chance and watched this episode and was pleasantly surprised that the amount of ads was significantly less. Much better viewing experience. Cheers!
No such thing as gender! Let’s stop using this unhelpful term.
Sex is the correct term to describe the TWO types of human.
The idea that all humans are equal didn't come from religion, except perhaps the retconned story of religion we use these days, where it's all peace and love, rather than persecution, mass murder and xenophobia as it was for a long time when the religious were in power. The reason we can consider everyone equal these days is, it seems to me, because we've discovered how we all share an evolutionary origin, how all of our thoughts and actions are (increasingly) connected, and how horrific the results of hate and violence (whether motivated by tribalism, nationalism or religion) can be. We've learned through living with the consequences of our own mistakes, and by discovering the origins and nature of ourselves and the world around us.
Thank you so much for a fascinating and stimulating conversation. I’m a British man, lucky enough to have been married for nearly 51 years, with three daughters and seven grandchildren. I’m increasingly aware that their world is very different from the one I grew up in. How do we ensure that they live productive lives with hope and belief that the society we live in, though far from perfect, is far better than almost all others and it’s worth trying to live full lives and ones in which they will bring up their own families?
I guess be present... care. Love. Ask. Build a family culture that will draw them to meaningful things and people. Don't let them withdraw into their own little worlds and show them that THEY MATTER.
At least I hope that's gonna work, other than trusting God that's pretty much the plan over here.
I love Bret and Heather... I could listen to them talk about recipes for apple pie and be thoroughly entertained and engaged.
What a beautiful start to the conversation by Heather. She was on point and very descriptive on the subject of sex/gender. Bowie was great. A 'genderbender' was the appropriate word, but still a man. As a baby boomer myself, I can relate to those awesome times of the 70's,80's and 90's, Heather touched on. The difference was,no social media.
Bret and Heather are Brilliant....I am always amazed by how much they know and can articulate in words that I can understand and learn...thank you for shared intelligent conversations...keep it coming
Thank you all three of you for such a wonderful, in-depth and lengthy discussion.
🙏🏻💜✨
I would never suspect evolutionary biology would be so useful in helping to make sense of so many seemingly unrelated topics, especially complex systems. Very cool love these two
Fantastic talk. Everyone on the planet should listen.
why do we need the "gender" concept at all? why not just "sex roles"? Heather gave an elaborate academic answer but didn't really answer the question. just in case you are able to follow up on this.
I think the reason for the gender question is that, if the radicals can make everyone believe that there’s no such thing as male and female- then you’ll believe absolutely anything else they cook up. There is no more fundamental truth in the entire universe than “male and female”.
As far as I can tell, the work “gender” got substituted for “sex” decades ago because it seemed more neutral and less emotionally charged (“hehehe teacher said, ‘sex’”). So because we already had two words for the same concept, one of those words could be co-opted by people with agendas.
Because if you done use gender you can't play the silly word games if base and switch where you start by discussing presentation through gender and end up using gender to describe sex.
Or just "personality"
The only plus I can see is in pointing out regressive unscientific roles and norms, calling them gender and then working to eradicate them
mainline protestants and even more liberal catholics have tried to modernize and that backfired spectacularly
Yes, trying to change the natural order of things is never a good idea
@@big_red_machine3547 Do you know why it backfired?
I believe these religions have modernized significantly. Can you explain some of the reasons you feel that has backfired? I may agree.
@@barboglesby2162 Sparkle Creed. Cratering of attendance.
I also believe it has backfired, I know my reasons but I'm in a different country, I'd like to know your reasons.
~ Hi. Excellent honest discussion, both parts one and two, thanks! The 18:9 Ratio is Great!
This couple are both accomplished scientists, researchers and parents whomever would be of great benefit to civilization must have a response to their point if view concerning the questions of: "What is the reason I am here, what is the meaning of existence, why does it matter what I think, or what I do in this expanse of a cosmos?" Considering the trajectory of the lives of these two educators who in instances have uncovered real issues that challenge modern thinking about science and scientific ideology itself, are still being ignored or actually canceled by those who were challenged, it is rewarding that the average person like me is able to hear and understand this point of view that although counter to what I may have had or still have as biased beliefs, to become more critical of my own logical conclusions and able to entertain even the most ludicrous of the post modernist's spaghetti logic, but still can discern truth and a signpost to the way forward, with courage to take that path.
Truth is so important and needs to come forward
Considering the topic, our host says “I feel” a lot. I really notice that men who have a feminine proclivity say “feel” and not , the masculine “i think”. Goes to show that men have a feminine side and women have a masculine side. It doesn’t mean that a sex change needs to happen! Just something to ponder
At about minute 53: "Becoming an adult" Max Reisinger, who just turned 21 and runs a four businesses from Austin TX, has talked about this several times in his recent videos.
What do you say to the people who have kids who are drug addicts? Especially in today’s climate with the access to drugs. Not all parents were bad parents who lead their kids down this path.
As the daughter of parents who have watched their other children deal with drug abuse to a life threatening degree, prison and over all horror….. I don’t know if I can or have it in me to pursue parenthood if there is no guarantee that I won’t watch something like this unfold. It’s terrifying.
Not doing something that can bring you joy and fulfillment out of fear of unknown happenings far in the future is not a worthwhile belief system.
It basically comes down to - do you want to do worthwhile but scary things and live to the fullest (and yes, risk some heartbreak), or do you want to "play it safe" and end up regretting all the things you didn't do?
Children are the hardest thing to "happen to you", granted, but they also and even more so the sweetest, funniest, loveliest creatures in the world. They bring joy and life and curiosity and excitement... they challenge you in a good way. They demand everything of you but you will not find a worthier cause to live.
All the best to you. Don't let fear dictate your life. Learn... become wise... you are not bound to repeat mistakes of others or the past. God bless.
America needs to get back to judeo-christian biblical values on marriage sex gender and everything else
Re Judeo-Christian teachings: “A tradition is the solution to a problem that has been forgotten “. Wish I knew whom to credit for that bit of wisdom.
DESANTIS/SEARS (Winsome Sears) 2028 🇺🇸 Done!
@@gj1695 how would a female vp bring in Judeo/Christian culture? Don't believe women as leaders is highly looked upon in the Old or New Testaments. It's a punishment for leaving God.
I think something that is really common(true for most of my close friends) is that many people think that to be human is to transcend nature. They don’t see themselves even partly as animals or part of a nature. These are self proclaimed “inside cat” types that say they’d be happy to never step outside again. Its a transhumanism thats values avoiding discomfort and seeking pleasure as high virtues.
On the having kids thing, a lot of us can’t afford it, we have been priced out of existence let alone raising kids. You can make an argument for doing it anyways and figuring it out however raising kids in poverty usually dooms them to that same poverty and a life of unfulfilled potential. I personally refuse to raise a kid in that environment.
I’ve always thought the same, plus the idea that I didn’t want to bring a new life into such a disgraceful world, and have the child blame me later on
I mean, do you expect to be poor forever? And I don't mean in a "I'm gonna turn things around and be a millionaire" type way but like, you know, figure out a way to live a reasonably comfortable life in a place that doesn't come with the costs of NYC or some other expensive place. I mean, I think a lot of the "kids cost so much" is built up by a bourgeois sense of having to pamper kids to the hilt, but they don't actually eat much, haha, until they're, say, teen boys, but there are solutions for that, too. They don't take up much space, can get 'em a room when they're a little older. It's mostly this keeping-up-with-the-Jones' idea that you have to pay $25,000 a term for private school, buy them designer things, update their iPhone every year, and send them on ski holiday's in Vail or whatever, lol. They mostly take time and attention.
Anyway, I'm not even arguing that people should have kids, but I do think a lot of the talk about expense is driven by people who want to sell something (and then scared parents believing them).
@@brek5this. It’s always useful to figure out who is behind the push to discourage people from doing perfectly normal and natural things (reproducing) and what they would get out of it. Especially hen they have you thinking it’s really *your* idea.
Kids actually cost very little. Its you, the parent, wanting to have name brand goods, expensive cars and a big nice house that is expensive. Children are happy with some legos or dolls or Tonka trucks and hand-me-down clothes and things from Goodwill. What they really need is food, shelter, water, and love. Healthcare and education are provided in this country. So it's not the children who are expensive, it's your personal ideals and the lifestyle you choose.
We were poor when we were first married. We lived in low income housing, and drove an old car with no air conditioning. Our children never cared, as long as they were loved and not hungry. If you shove them into a mentally ill society based on materialism, then maybe they'll be unhappy, but you can avoid that by choosing your friends and choosing your media consumption.
Don't blame expenses on the kids. It's YOU who wants it to be too expensive.
People also try to list higher education expenses as a cost of having children. I call BS. If your children are worthy to go to university, they should have been smart enough and worked hard enough to earn scholarships. If they didn't work hard and earn scholarships for themselves, then they are not fit for college and should just get a job and/or go to trade school.
@@daisyviluck7932 @oneperson5760 Yeah, I mean, I didn't want to seem like I was encouraging OP to have kids or that it's some kind of moral imperative, but having raised 2 and, I mean, not poor but not anything resembling rich, haha, we came out all right, and we're also half raising my niece (long story). But yeah, for the most part, like, I'm making myself a pot of spaghetti, and my 3-year-old niece eats a little bowl that I am not worried about, haha, and it's more about her wanting to stir the pasta or add salt, plus play time with me whether that is with toys or her climbing up and jumping into my arms, that is more the "investment" than any worry about too much spaghetti getting into the pot or if she ganks my brocolli and breaking the bank.
Similarly, with education, I mean, there are expenses, but I found them all manageable, but again, the biggest cost in terms of my life was time... like when your daughter comes home at 11 years old and says, "Well, we learned about this thing in class today," and you engage with them and the material, not even "help" with homework (although that's a thing) but just getting them to think about things, making them discover their interests and deal with hardship/obstacles. Yeah, you have to turn off your podcast or whatever and read with them or have a discussion about some issue.
Anyway, I'd say any economic hardship I've had (which there's been some--again, I want to make it clear this is not a "Don't be poor" post) has been mostly of my making and not due to the kids. And the pro tip for teen boys (especially if they are athletic) is buying in bulk and buffets, haha. Fill 'em up at the buffet, even if you'd like to be eating a dainty meal at a boutique restaurant, haha.
This may sound strange, but I have rediscovered my faith multiple times after it had waned. I have undertaken several extended water-only fasts, refrained from engaging in sexual activities, maintained purity in my thoughts, prayed, and immersed myself in spiritual readings. Like clockwork, on the 29th day of fasting, I consistently experience a connection with God. I believe that those who have never experienced a connection with God may find success by following this method. It is important to exercise caution and possibly consult a healthcare provider while engaging in these practices.
Outstanding! 👏👏👏
Generally a great interview. Not sure why the interviewer felt the need to cut off Heather when she was very respectfully expressing her opinion on the human population versus the resources required to express it. I was wondering what the end of her sentence was.
I liked the talk about rites of passage. Being born in Michigan, and growing up, we really did not have rites of passage, nobody, did around where I lived. But, you could see it in the movies, like with some young Indian Brave...etc. and later when I moved to the East (Japan), kids actually have several rites of passage in stages, ultimately after their 20th birthday, when the "coming of age" ceremony is held. I was thinking, that it might be better if we had rites of passage in the west like that. I wondered if like Scotland did Celts have rites of passage that we lost when Christianity came. I wondered. I mean we kind of have some rites of passage, like turning 16 and getting your drivers license and turning 18 and being able smoke (legally) and voting for the first time, and finally turning 21 and being able to drink. Those as rites of passage just seemed kind of weird compared to some powerful cultural rites of passage from different cultures that I witnessed later.
My kids being Korean, their first rite of passage is when they were 100 days old! Because in the past there was so much more infant deaths it was really something to celebrate if your baby made it past 100 days! It kinds of signified that you finally made it out of the weeds and from there the going forward could be....I don't know, but like the initial roughest part was now behind you.
I just realized some rites of passage that, at least I had as a young boy in the scouts. Each year, we could graduate from like a Wolf to a Bear Scout, etc. and we had Scout Jamborees. Also, just before you became a Boy Scout, you could attain the "Arrow of Light", the highest award that a Cub Scout could achieve...So, I think that the Scouts actually filled some of that rites of passage for young boys. It is a sorry state that has become of the scouts these days. It will never be for young boys what it once was. It was also, one of those things that was culturally meant for boys.
Leaving elementary school to Jr and high school? Big change in expectations with each change.
...Oh My, I just LOVED this!
#BlessedBeThee🐦
There's a book called Future Shock that describes the psycho-pathologies which one would expect when change becomes extreme and the levels of information a person would have to integrate go parabolic.
24:29 re: the birth control pill: “Instead of encouraging more men to act like women at their best, it has encouraged more women to act like men at their worst.” This is an amazing thought.
“The Science” phrase is equivalent to the 80s horror movies that blamed evil on “The Comet.”☄️🎬
Trust the Voodoo!
13:47 "I like dogma." I feel philosophically minded as well, which is why I despise dogma.
Almost everything of central significance has at some point been upended and overturned.
After the host said this, he has an uphill battle gaining my confidence in him and his thought.
18:56 LOL Heather couldn't help but laugh.
James Lindsey is excellent and complicated at times
Justification for the equal dignity of everyone-BECAUSE THAT IS THE WORLD YOU WANT TO LIVE IN.
There are a lot of reasons to not have kids today and I would have liked to hear more pushback from Bret. As an evolutionary biologist it would be nice if he approached the possibility of our near term extinction due to overshoot and loss of biodiversity instead of simply saying that “the models are trash”. Which models are trash specifically? IPCC models? Sea surface temp models? Loss of biodiversity models?
I think it’s possible that he wants to believe they are wrong because he has children and wants grandchildren, etc. He may also be hiding the fact that we are unable to solve climate change because he may think if people knew the truth that mass chaos will ensue and will cause collapse even faster. It’s no different than what the MSM is doing by distracting us with all sorts of divisive rhetoric.
Personally though, I think people should be informed especially when making decisions for other people such as we need to do for our children. They don’t have the choice to be here in this mess. Only we can make that choice. I think we should be able to make it an informed one and most young adults have some time to wait.
Take an indicator like plastic pollution or world wars or collapse of the food chain, or addiction etc. and every year evaluate whether or not they are improving or getting worse. If the future looks bright then maybe it’s ok to bring up a child or maybe they will decide it isn’t.
What’s important imo is to not pressure our youth into having children if they don’t want to do so. It’s not fair to our youth nor the children they most likely won’t be able to take care of in a world that cares more about profit than people and nature which we all depend upon in order to live.
Also, I think Bret and Heather know collapse is possible because I recently saw them in another video where they discussed the possibility of collapse with a different host where they discussed it from an evolutionary biological perspective which makes a lot more sense than discussing simply as an emissions issue.
It looks like you drank too much of the climate propaganda. Antibiotic resistance if far more scary. The first world should be having more children than the 3rd world. Don't buy their bs. Have kids.
I theorize that biological realities were basically denied in psychology after WWII due to fear of what happened in Germany...And Skinner's black box, with the Blank Slate theories dependence upon social constructionism became the gold standard...
I was adopted (my mother was coerced) I believe the confidence of removing babies from unmarried mothers for placement with more ‘suitable’ couples and making contact between mother and her child illegal was also due to the ‘blank slate’ belief. It’s just not true, I was nothing like my adopted family. Total misapplied theory that one!
@@HellCatt0770Certainly when I was at university, the nature side of the nature/nurture debate was a No No.
I agree
Firstly, I want to express that I appreciate this video so much…
In regards to the discussion on sex and gender: the comparison of hardware and software is wonderful… but I would be very curious on their thoughts regarding how society has enforced gender roles and gender “ideals” that resulted in people feeling they are transgender in the first place? Also the psychology behind individuals, like drag queens/kings, discover they feel more themselves when dressed in as a female or male illusion and feel at home being referred to as the opposite pronouns? And discussion around intersex individuals- I know there are exceptions, and seeing as the human population has risen immensely over the past 100 years, so the pool of exceptions is higher than ever… but all questions that should be answered and discussed. From a biological standpoint, all this makes sense to distill it down to our function, but we need to have a psychological and sociological perspective here as well for a 360 view. We are far more complex organisms than fish, plants, etc…and we then need to also discuss what does it mean to be a woman? A man? Feelings of not associating with either? Beyond our function and our parts… beyond specific cultural specifications… Genuinely curious to hear more!! I personally wish we were not so attached to labelling everything and boxing ourselves in. We can appreciate Bowie and gender-bending, rock n roll/punk rockers wearing make up, and accepting girls being just “tom boys”- but let’s be real- these things were not widely accepted. They were heavily criticized and you were accused of being a “f*g” or bullied. I liked the direction of gender-bending, but it was never truly accepted- especially if you weren’t a celebrity. And this was just in the Western world. Until we can completely dismantle expectations on sex roles/gender roles- this is the growing symptom that people are trying to find ways to push back against. The sex roles are limited and different based on which country you live in and the cultural and societal aspects you are surrounded by growing up.
Regarding the choice to have or not to have kids… aside from some people’s reasons regarding the environment, “hating” kids, etc… people who have kids that shouldn’t, people who have kids that didn’t want them or don’t deserve them… there are some who want kids (like myself), but financially cannot fathom making it work. Or maybe there’s health factors that don’t allow for kids and lack of access to care to resolve it. When our human basic needs of housing, food and health is seen as a privilege to be worked for and for most, still unable to reach it, instead of a basic need… I’m a socialist, so this would be one of the biggest things the world needs to address. We want to “pull our weight in our community”, but it does not naturally look like how it is being utilized now by capitalism.
I am curious about the religion you feel is key… since “the old ones” are not Christian/Catholic, etc… these are religions that wars were fought for… or are we discussing true ancestral religions- nature-based religions, like Drudism? There is a great movement of the “spiritual” and connection with nature and humanism within a more pagan frame. For me, this is more peaceful, open-minded and natural, but I will not say any one way of being spiritual is correct. Only to do no harm- mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually to others for the sake of your own beliefs.
you and putin should have a competition for world's longest answer (referring to the last one at about 1:30
i jest, i loved it, such raw honesty.
how does "bisexual" make biological sense?
For women it gives pair bonding to care for the children
Makes more sense for women, biologically and emotionally speaking. Historically, they could still enjoy sex and companionship when men were away for war, and still procreate if the opportunity arose. For men, perhaps they get double the fun 🤭
@@big_red_machine3547 Pleasure without procreation?
Absolutely love Bret and Heather . Great conversation.
However - human nature never changes. People are - as the Bible describes -weak, evil , selfish , and sinful . It’s why we need God Himself to save us from evil . He did this through Jesus Christ . We are dead in our sins and trespasses and are born at enmity with God . He paid the ransom with His own life so we can a right relationship with God through His sacrifice.
God is the same yesterday, today , and forever. Human nature doesn’t change . The only things that change are our fashion and toys .
Tip of time who is singularity? Keep watch! What is "I AM"?
On the recent No Agenda podcast (Algo Juice), they talk about a landmark study from England's National Health Service on gender affirming care (jump to the 28m mark).
Well done!! I'll be back.
Doesn't the argument fall apart if we go back to the times before humans knew babies came from sex? And in small tribes didn't everyone take care of each other? Was it the albatross that was recently shown to be socially monogamous but sexually promiscuous by DNA testing the chicks? And the most successful pair turned out to be lesbians.
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I almost lost it when they cut back to Bret and Heather. I was surprised they chose the very diplomatic responses that they gave, to say the least, cause it looks pretty obvious from that cut that they're dying to say something a bit more unwelcome to someone who is that religious, lol!
Heather, GO OFF. ❤
As you have implied, another part of adulthood is eschewing the thrills and chills of Catastrophism.
Surely a significant aspect of this excellent debate is the critique of Brett's statement (at about 25mins) that our civilisation has been advanced by the creation of the pill and 'freeing up' of women from child birth. Eg Mary Harrington's debates on 'progress' and feminism.
Leaving aside the ideas that ALL of THIS is just another arena of created conflict for the plebs while the fleecing of all of us continues at pace!
I think it’s a question of what is and is not “progress” from a human perspective. And the answer is complicated… and there’s more than one. Material progress is one thing. Progress in psychological/spiritual health and well being is related but distinctly different in kind. And not everything that has empowered the former has been wholly good for the latter.
@@DadSavesAmericawell said!
@@DadSavesAmerica explain how birth control brings prosperity. My husband and I married as teens, he immediately joined the Air Force to get training while earning a living. He used these skills throughout his civilian career and is near retirement age. I had our 10 kids and homeschooled them. They have all been out of the home for over 10 years now. Most are raising their own big families. All make between 80k-300k per year with one income homes. That's a lot of productivity coming from our marriage. My husband's brother stayed in college 10 years for his 4 year degree. He married but they didn't want kids. His wife worked. Together they had a nice life, investments etc. But they are also hitting retirement age. What now? They are bored with traveling since they have always traveled. Me and hubby can now start traveling. And we have 30 grandkids and counting. In a few years we will most likely have great grandchildren because we started our own family young. On a strictly financial basis there is no comparison. And why limit a family to 2 or 3 kids when the mom is staying home? Why not have 5 or 6 or even 12? Being a homemaker doesn't limit women but enriches all facets of their lives.
This was outstanding. I applaud you and your guests. Excellent. I would say the response to modernizing religious belief based on the current way of thinking is the problem not the solution. Your guests suggest that orthodoxy is a pattern linked to its time and place and can’t be used outside of that. Those truths, rights of passage for example are processes transferable to any time and place Science and scientists have a place in our world but its amazing to me two extremely intelligent people don’t engage in conversation with intelligent religious people. I am catholic too and you gave a great testimony that fell flat at their feet as to say the science is settled. At the end of the day this was fantastic. Thank you very much
There is nothing new under the sun. Traditional faith does not need to change to suit the times. Modern people need to read and understand how to apply its wisdom. I am also becoming more Catholic. For me, that means I am actually learning and loving God, improving my prayer life, and cutting things out of my life which are offensive to God, and completely having trust in Jesus.
You are a role model, perhaps without even knowing it.
Wish I was as articulate as these two
Heather nailed it on her analysis of woke science. A RELIGION based on a warped and erroneous view of science.
Ok 15 minutes into this I actually like it. Heather didn’t pretend gender somehow really exists and used the term role. Now let’s see what Bret does.
You should have Robert Sapolsky on your show.
I agree with the conversation, but I would even suggest that feminizing of men and masculinizing of women started earlier with radical feminism. Radical feminists would be very derogative about male behavior while “empowering” women to have male roles. Not to say a spectrum of behaviors, but they would say man bad, woman good but traditional woman bad, only radical feminist woman good.
It's possible that it has something to do with the endocrine disruptors in much of our food.
Heather can really get a party started
I would argue that art, science, math, music, any kind of spirituality or religion are, in your terms, 'a lens' into seeking a truth, the one truth we are all seeking. The answer is the same. it is the approach, how we question that truth, that is our argument.
@DadSavesAmerica,
Finally, about time. Lol
Great job on the milking.
I’m teasing ya.
Thanks and good job.
I wish these 2 had the courage to go "all in"!!! It is very evident they undoubtedly comprehend what is taking place in western civilization at the moment..... i presume one could safely argue their level of understanding is far greater then most, which id submit includes myself... however, what is also very telling is their "societal reverence" for lack of better term. What i mean by this is their willingness to dance around this subject which is obviously a result derived from fear!! Given some of the situations they've found themselves in publicly?? I may not agree, but can understand why they may be hesitant to dive in head first. Ive never had my career put in jeapordy by simply speaking "out of turn".. With that being said, we no longer have time for this approach. This is going to take many high profile individuals, ideally if not inevitably simultaneously being willing to die by their own sword! And real quick, maybe my choice of them "dancing around" the subject may not be fair, so if we instead want to land on "treading lighty", im fine with that.. but the levels to which are protecting this institution and the scale its taking place on? Its going take an awful lot of sacrifice in order to curtail this phenomenon. Which in my humble opinion, is the only thing that can save humanity. I don't claim to be a schollar nor an intellectual like they are. But for whatever its worth, i genuinely believe this is absolutely an extinction level problem that must be solved rather quickly!
Poor Tarzan
No, they drink the water in the book. It just got tamed for the movie. Cannibalism's common among pagan cultures. The water belongs to the tribe, explicitly to nourish them. It's part of Paul's catalyst to becoming a tyrant. That's typical Hollywood. May even be remnants of the Haze Code still being used.
Yep, Paul definitely is meant to cannibalize his friend. The water belongs to the victor. They'll probably ruin the ending, too. Paul's the villain, that's what makes Dune a Masterpiece. The point is a conflict of the Ethical with the Moral. That's what the book means. The Ethical is what's universal, and the Moral what's necessary. They weigh and store it as currency.
I meant this to go in Genetically Modified Skeptic's video on Dune, but I feel someone may enjoy learning about the novel, here, too.
What really ,truly and honestly sucks is that Dr, fauci, cdc ,much of academics have done is in concert with things witnessed in the 1970s and even earlier than this.
Cdc swine flu vax catastrophe paralyzed thounds of kids the same exact way in the 70s . It was even worse more fringe events earlier in the 1900s.
Even in the fbi they're acting in concert with a pattern of behavior that has lasted far longer than anyone is comfortable with.
I don't think that calling natural processes "SCIENCE" (que the Bill Nye show opening song). Yes, I do "sperg-out" on misnomers in general but there was a cultural consequence in attributing the name of an epistemological procedural framework to the nature or phenomena in study.
trust can be uncomfortable !
How you could say there are not too many people on the earth to all eat a proper diet and have a life of meaning is utterly beyond me. Is there enough space, of course but the obstacles in the way and too much.
I can say it because it’s true. “Too many” is a relative claim. Compared to what? Why? We have 8 billion people and most are living wildly better than the entire planet’s population 200 years ago. Meanwhile, we’ve broadly been doing a BETTER job of returning land to wild, greening the earth, and cleaning the environment in the first world than 100 years ago.
We functionally have unlimited resources because humans don’t merely consume. Biologists get this wrong all the time. We create and rearrange. We invent. We substitute.
This is why Malthus and Ehrlich all the rest of overpopulation cranks got all of their predictions 180 degree wrong every time.
I wonder what Bret would think about Asimov's "Humanism" religion. Might that be a religion with ancient wisdom but "modernized".
We should thank our Lucky Starrs for Asimov's literary and, I daresay, scientific contributions.
All three of these people are socially conservative, and that is fine with me, except that they allow their social conservatism to inflect their scientific views. Why is being generally open to sexual encounter men acting at their worst and being highly choosy women acting at their best? If you take the ‘it takes a village’ philosophy to its reductio ad absurdum or some kind of communist or other collectivist philosophy to its ideologically purest form, the responsibility for the consequences of sexual activity evolve to the state or some other collective body. Richard Dawkins falls into the same trap. This might point to the idea that few if any people are actually purely scientific. Underneath the objectivity there is always a burning passion to exert one’s subjective understanding of how life should be.
I studied agricultural science (and graduated). The thing is, you can't say "a little bit of warming here is ok because we are in a cold period". What is ok in one region might be devastating in another, for example an average temperature increase on land might have minimal impact, but the same increase in an aquatic environment like a coral reef would be catastrophic.
It's the loss of biodiversity that is the threat, not the warming or cooling itself and there are many causes for biodiversity loss. A changing climate is but one source. Human activity such as logging, agriculture, urban sprawl, over fishing and exploitation of the natural environment impacts biodiversity just as much if not more than climate change, but you generally don't hear about it because of profits and greed. That's why I left the agricultural industry. It's a powerful cartel that has one goal, and it's not to provide people with food.
We have the technology and the means to preserve nature and live harmoniously with it. The real cause of biodiversity loss is economic, so in order to preserve what is left we would need to invent a new economic system, which just won't happen. Humanity is far too greedy to save itself unfortunately.
@davesavesamerica you have given a great apologetic for believing, but if given a chance, people need to give the "purpose" for their being good. God defines purpose of existence. 💜
The gentleman's answer to Dr. Heying's question at 1:24:10 was utter nonsense.
I think humanity definitely needs a new religion
Heather makes the argument “don’t destroy something until figure out what you’re destroying” 4:30
Brett does just the opposite with religion insisting it be thrown out unless its uselessness can be upgraded.
I have long said don’t destroy a person’s religion unless you have something better to replace it with.
Great debates from them but now and again he exposes the limitations of his 'liberal'/'progressive' past. I'm not a practicing Christian and supported our secular society ideas (in New Zealand) but now in my late 60's and see we laid the pathway for the now out of hand transhuman push.
Bret doesn’t understand religion’s underlying function*. Chesterton’s Fence. * just a cultural blind spot, not a personal fault.
It's low-key funny how Dad looks like a perfect phenotypical cross between Heather and Bret.
It's sad that none of it matters for Catholics and atheists.
Read Heidegger on Technology . . .
I completely relate to what Jonah says about religion. Really angry with Christians right now, still believe in God, and find that I am still surprised that I take great comfort in the thought that it never changes much.
Bret-here's an arguably better approach. Start with the end in mind, in terms of society/culture and figure out what you need to do to get there. Take a good idea from anywhere but no need to start with religion(did it give you a society you want to live in? Should be able to question religion as intensely and vigorously as questioning science)