How a Wrong Turn Caused this Airbus A321 to Crash | Fatal Approach | Air Blue Flight 202 | 4K
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- Find out why a wrong turn and a series of other mistakes and violations by the pilots, caused this Airbus A321 to crash into a mountain area in an attempt to land during dense fog in Islamabad.
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Hard to imagine how someone behaving in such an idiotic way managed to log 34,000 flight hours without crashing into a mountain before this.
I was thinking the same...
This is hardly a believable tale. The findings of the investigation teams of Airbus Co. and ICAO have not been made public yet. The Civil Aviation Pakistan and PIA have made it a habit of putting all blame on the pilot's for any and every accident that takes place simply because they cannot walk into the courtroom to refute them. Why has the CA and PIA not made the recordings of the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Data Recorder -- called Blackbox. The level of corruption is so high in both the PIA and Civil Aviation which hires incompetent people, wrong man for the wrong task. How could a 61 years old man with years of experience suddenly feel challenged by a young man without n much experience of flying A380, particularly when it is common knowledge that combat pilots have very different set of skills from commercial pilots and the flying policies and techniques too are very different. This planted story is simply to cover up corruption in PIA and CA, negligence by incompetent, untrained personell and nepotism at all level, from recruitment to delegation of duties to supervision and management. No SOPs are followed. Old dilapidated, damaged aircrafts are pushed into service. All these short comings are responsible for the murder of the plus two hundred passengers on Pakistani aircrafts.
In some countries, Pakistan is one of them, 20% of pilots have fake pilots licenses. If you fly with those airlines or in those nations, there's literally a 20% chance that the guy flying your plane bought his flying license.
@Mario Antonio Crespo Possibly. Not all psychopaths want to kill people. Many psychopaths are just people who take their job extremely seriously and want to be the best at it and earn the most money.
It's the aircraft that has 34,000 hours, the Captain had over 25,000 only
Imagine the shame the captain's family would feel upon hearing the recordings of such unprofessionalism.
Yes, I do feel sorry for that family for sure....
The captain son challenged the government's report on the crash, defending his father, saying "He was an extraordinary pilot"
That’s sad....very good point. Would be so hard to hear.
@@hassansaeed3053 extraordinary shitty pilot
@@hassansaeed3053 yeah....extraordinary stupid arrogant pilot!!. Like father like son.
For those who think they know too much, pride comes before a fall. This captain killed 152.
They both did. The First Officer was also responsible
As an Airbus pilot, this is one of the most incompetent pilots I’ve ever seen. Even after all his screw ups, and even with that 86 degree selected heading, if he had gone to TOGA and full aft side stick he probably would have been okay. He had plenty of advanced warnings to avoid terrain. What an arrogant and dangerous asshole. So sad he had to take all the innocents with him.
It is as you say. I can't understand how an airline puts an arrogant captain next to a submissive first officer... and more importantly, why they hire arrogant and pedantic people like this asshole.
I go crazy. Really.
It is human lives that they carry on board... Come on!
classic muslims, such arrogant dangerous scummies
But for the bloated ego and infallibility complex of one man, this flight would have been a normal one
03:51 ''Harsh words in snobbish tones while speaking to him''... yup that's Pakistani for you (and I'm Pakistani born myself btw) ... destroy the dudes confidence, put him down, don't let him up, kill his self esteem, don't let him get back up, for the fear he might excel you, all due to jealousy, envy ....
Such a shame those were the last things the first officer ever heard
As a Pakistani also, I completely agree with you.
The Lord of Reddit Yeah, but on a positive note, his memory of the entire ordeal has been erased forever. RIP
I agree as a pakistani
There was a video on a training flight landing at Dubai airport by a PIA flight. All throughout the landing, Captain was literally abusive to the First Officer who had to land a plane there for certification maybe. Luckily he didn't let the abuses affect the landing procedure and everyone was safe. But it was calm weather with modern landing instruments. Had the situation would have been more challenging then anything could have happened.
I remember the day this happened. I was outside Islamabad and it was heavily raining. It was such a sad day for all of us. There were some brilliant students on the flight, a newly wed couple coming for their honeymoon to Murree and so many more individual stories I remember haunted us all for so long.
Some of my relatives went to the crash site (it was difficult to approach by vehicle as there were no roads or pathways so first to appear at site were locals and civilians followed by Pak army helicopters and rescue teams) and they narrated the horror of the crash site and what they saw of whatever was left of the plane and the bodies.
Every plane crash is so horrible and tragic, but I would admit it becomes personal when you know the region or the people and their stories.
The first officers wife is a brave woman taking care of their children. After a decade, she still writes about how courageous and amazing her husband was. Seeing margalla hills memorial for the crash victims always brings back memories of that horrific day.
I hope they all rest in peace ❤️
Tayyaba Javed I hope they all Rest In Peace except for the captain tbh
Thats true! It was an unforgettable one, hence i watched this video after nine years. It was raining continuously for three four or more days. Even the sky was crying.
It still aches my heart thinking about that crash. What a waste of lives.
It was/is really hard to take that crash off our minds. I’d say again, one of the unforgettable crashes.
I was so touched by the incident that till the time i was in Pakistan I had this incident’s reminder in my phone, it still would be there, (It might not make sense to a few people) 😢
My khala was the air hostess in that flight.
Ahmed13 Inam 😥
@@shadowknight00 ...so sorry for your loss.
The captain was on a major ego trip and was jealous of the first officer who used to be a fighter jet pilot.
True. Fighter pilots are the elite and the first officer was an ex f16 pilot to boot.the best aircraft they have.
Christina Williams EXXXXAAAACTLY!!!
In my old company the First Officer would have given the Captain some lattitude but would not have allowed that situation to develop the way it did & WOULD HAVE taken positive action & control to avoid this disaster. It's called Crew Resource Management.
@@graemewilliams1308 yeah, and if nothing else, self preservation should've prompted the F/O to act. I wonder what the hell kind of culture was prevalent with that airline at the time that a F/O would become so submissive as to watch this whole turn of events transpire without taking over the flight controls? Especially in the last few moments before the crash. As presented in this video, the pilots had SOME degree of visibility, but maybe that was not entirely accurate in terms of the actual event. It's hard to fathom that the first officer would be about to see the higher terrain approaching and still not take over and take evasive action. I assume they tested the Captain's remains for signs of drug or alcohol use. It's hard to conceive of such an experienced pilot behaving like such a complete asshole.
Right as the crash happened in my city and the mountains in my profile pictures are the one this plane crashed in. 😔😔😔
In Medical field this is called Galen's error.The senior thinking he's always right and not listening to his subordinates.
But there the life of the patient is at stake and not the doctor himself.
saadd just like the lives of these passengers were at stake.
He should have retired earlier.
As a senior person, 62, im not closed minded, and am willing to take suggestions from other people, and orders from aircraft tower!!! This captain with his demeanor, should not be flying, and the young co pilot should not have just sat there and watched this moron fly right into a mountain. Which he did. Seems they both forgot about the nearly 200 lives that were depending on them.
Not only in medicine ; in every profession / walk of life there will be such idiotic seniors. Given a chance they will definitely try to spoil the career of the junior. This idiot has finished every one.
I’m addicted to these videos but every time I watch one my heart breaks, so many could have been avoided but especially this one 💔
I feel the exact same way. I binge watch a tonne of these then go about my day with a heavy heart 😔💔💐
Same here I like watching the videos but heart breaking coz I want to know what happened coz my friends are captain and I never want them to think like that
Me too love these I get very sad
I feel more sad when the pilots tried everything and still crash....!
i become more fearful of flying
The captain was so right he flew the plane right into terrain. He knew what he was doing.
First officer Ahmed, moments before the crash: "You arrogant ass! You killed us all!"
Bonovia to Tupolev.
It wasn't a wrong turn that caused this crash it was an arrogant and belligerent commanding officer.
You imbecile Islam made a very big contribution in human rights as compared to other religions....... More than 55 percent of the total scientists around the world were Muslims..... Indeed the Muslims learnt science from the Greeks but bcz of them the Western band European civilization learnt 500 years of knowledge from the Muslims........ Al Azhar University And Cordoba housed many non Muslims students Jews Christian's during caliphate years
@@jorgecallico9177 don't talk about something you don't know any thing about, and you are a racist talking absolutely bs about a religion.
Jorge Callico I’m sure you’re trolling, but in the off chance you’re not...
Muslims invented:
1) coffee
2) clocks
3) cameras
4) universities
5) flying machines
6) surgical instruments
7) algebra
8) maps
9) chess
10) crankshafts
11) windmills
12) vaccines
13) our number system
14) formal astronomy
Also, you started your comment with a sweeping, derogatory generalization about “middle eastern men,” and you then proceeded to critique people who consider you racist.
I’m atheist, so I don’t have a horse in this race. I just pity you.
@@mlc2016
You don't "pity" anyone. You're just an arrogant college leftist with undescended testes.
JohnnyG not the first time these kind of men cause an accident!
After this captain gave his co pilot an hour long verbal barrage on how "inferior" he was he had no intention of ever embarrassing himself by listening to his co seat no matter how dire the situation. Everyone of us is familiar with people like this in all of our work places. In some scenarios this mind set can kill.
Narcissis personally disorder
@@MrLinkiscute The Co Pilot needed to grow a pair . Him being a punk was all I needed to know that he was worthless
dan that's why im working for myself don't have to deal with low self esteem people like that
Exactly. Any FO need to have balls to challenge Captain, when Captain is doing wrong, unprofessional, reckless stuff.
@Darius Kang I was born and brought up in India. I agree with your statement that south Asians have this mind set. Everyone there wants to show off their position.
I remember being woken up by the impact of the crash because I lived near the Margalla Hills.. it was terrible. Many passengers were students flying in from Karachi to appear in a university entry test in Islamabad.
Fahad Humayun Chohan Yes my friend’s mamoo was in the crash RIP
Sorry to see this happen brother. Condolence from India.
Feeling really Sad for the Students who were traveling 😢
You guys know the exact coordinates to the crash site?
33°44′23″N 73°3′29″E from Wikipedia
One can only imagine what this Captain's home and personal life was like.
The title of this segment should be "Captain from hell" or "How to not captain an airplane".
or the demon pilot from hell
Andrew Lohbihler captain Van zanten killed 583 people for a delay
@@sanabashir8763 it was not his fault, he got an unclear takeoff clearence from the ATC, that is why he crashed into the PanAm aircraft
@@kaisus2137 no, the atc didn't gave him permission to take off, the atc after that asked them to standby for take off but the klm crew did not hear it due to radio heterodyne as at the same time pan am 1736 told the atc that they are still at the runway. the klm flight engineer did expressed his concerned about the pan am still on the runway and he told the captain that pan am 1736 still on the runway but he simply reply 'oh yes', had he listened to the flight engineer this disaster won't happen.
@@sgtransportations7103 yup i watched this air crash investigation episode many times an i know the whole story
I lost my Elder Cousin Ali in this Crash . His Marriage Ceremony was Very Next Day . Cant Believe that a Captain who had So much experience can show such ego and unprofessional Attitude . May Allah Bless those Passengers !
Hopefully he is resting in heaven 😭😭😭😭
allah akboob
I’m so sorry
I am sorry for your loss...yet hopeful he has found his place in he afterlife. Apparently he was to be spared the decay of goodness and morality. That's a good thing....right???
He died a Shaheed❤️
i swear if i was the first officer of that flight, the flight would've landed at alternative airport with the captain having a few broken teeth
And a nose and both jaws to go with it
No need for alternative airport it was safe, but yes 100% broken teeth with a few bones as well
Unfortunately, that's not how aviation works. You don't beat up the captain in the cockpit. :-D
I would have planned to lose my job that day because there's NO way I'm dyung because of you. I would be snitching to ATC and taking the controls. I understand being berated hurts but death is worse.
Ikr... its so stupid how the captains cockiness lead him RESPONSIBLE for everyones death. The first officer would've done something if the captain wouldn't have been so mean
How can some one with 25,500 hours of flying experience make such a culmination of blunders? I am compelled to believe that his flight records were falsified. Like Dan said, I had to work with some one like that. They berate other people in order to hide their own incompetence.
Yes, just like our illustrious "leader"
That is what I am wondering.@Grand Negus
Charles, your concerned are well grounded and I will NOT make any attempts to defend the pilot's behaviour but there comes a certain point in time of every individual when their training and reality clash and if there is EVER an instant of doubt in what to do next, it CAN come down to a total meltdown. After berating the 2nd seat for over an hour, this guy was in no mood to hear ANYTHING as to his deficiencies (and the 2nd seat was in no mood to give him any pointers) and as such the plane was flying with only one pilot. Once a marginally confused brain (caught in a HIGHLY technical environment) is rattled it is hard to gain an overview of the situation. The brain starts to focus or concentrate on only one problem. (why is the plane NOT responding) Once he corrected the problem of the unpulled knob he was so ecstatic that the plane responded to SOME input, he failed to revisit his original input and correct it. The man truly lost his situational awareness...in his OWN cabin.
Darrrow, you make good sense, but to my thinking, his reflexes should have kicked in and it would seem to me the he would have responded if with nothing else but muscle memory where the mind and body take over and automatically do what is needed.
Search for Narcissistic personality disorder on youtube, you will understand
this behavior better.
not a pilot, but i'm pretty sure if the automatic voice said to me "terrain ahead, pull up" I would pull up!
I would of too and dealt with him after landing.like wtf it's co pilot's Job to intervene in this situation it's his life too
except it wouldn't respond, being in "nav mode".
nahhh "let it say whatever it wants to say"
@@MrTLsnow probably tried to lecture the automatic voice too
@@adotintheshark4848 Disabling all autopilot also disables nav etc doesn't it?
Wow, sad.
Lesson here?
Cockpits have no room for cocky pilots!
Seems like a large percentage of crashes involve an arrogant captain.
Exactly
Hence CLR (CREW/LEADERSHIP/RESOURSE MANA@@fgstech4857
true.. just like large percentage of medical errors involve an arrogant surgeon.. sadly, when people get full of themselves they start cutting corners and ignoring policies and procedures eventually making mistakes right and left..
100 percent true. Whats worse is planes are so sophisticated these days that the pilots are basically along for the ride and forget to fly the plane manually when a situation occurs.
MsFortruth this is so very true 👍🏻
I am the eye witness of this tragic accident...I was watching this happened from the 4th floor of my university during my masters in physics...The place where it smashes into the mountains is now a monument in the memory of all those loving people who died...It was something that made the whole country sad....
Which university sir ???
That's ironic? I don't mean 'funny' ironic. I mean, physics class observing a plane crash! 'Traumatic irony'! :(
I'm sorry you had to witness that, I can't imagine what that must have been like. That leaves a permanent mark on a person
It must have been a very crushing experience for you.
This may seem cruel, but I do not believe your sick lies!
He undermined his confidence to the hilt. That's called "gaslighting".
I can’t even imagine how frustrating it would be to sit in the control tower trying to keep track of a runaway plane with a pilot completely ignoring you, how traumatising
Rumor has it the captain's ghost can still be heard moaning out "Why wont it turn?"
I hate you so much for making me laugh ugly
😂😂🤣🤣🤣
and the FO's ghost moaning "Please Pull up"
@@patrickpope343 😅😣
Lmao i shouldnt be laughin i know 😕
That was indeed a disaster created by the captain.. one of my friend was on board who got married just 2 days ago and going for honeymoon..
😔😔😔
Addy Baig 😢🙏😢
Awwh ... that’s so sad
really unpardonable at any cost.i deeply shocked on reading ur words of new couple death on going to enjoy honey moon. RIP
The arrogance and stupidity of the Captain is unbelievable. Reminds me of the Captain of the KLM plane at Tenerife.
Also the DC-8 that crashed at Portland Oregon in 1978. The net result of this was the birth of CRM (Crew Resource Management).
Van Zanten,pilot of KLM 747 at Tenerife crash.
British European Airways 548 comes to mind too.
exactly, wondering how many copilots are quiet under those circumstances in the air. the souls always be the victims of those bad such behaviors...
You show an embarassing lack of knowledge about the Tenerife crash.
Only an idiot would compare the two of them.
When it says "terrain pull up!".... Fn do it immediately!!!
Seems so simple. When it says "pull up" for crying out loud, PULL UP!
Majority of time it’s too late at that point because your in autopilot and by the time you disengage it and try to pull up it’s usually to late
It's easy sit down and type but if you were on that aircraft different story
@@lukabeast1150 in the majority of time yes. Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm no pilot) but according to this video this was really an exception.
@@lukabeast1150 not correct. The old-fashioned GPWS did not have a terrain database, so the available response time could be very short. But a modern EGPWS linked a terrain database, so will give ample time for corrections.
Disengaging an AP doesn't take much time, and depending on the aircraft type, it's possible it can be overridden by pulling the column back hard.
Just because you had 25000 hours flying experience doesn't not give you the authority to scold a FO or do your tricks with the plane....on top of that the FO was a fighter jet pilot so he must have been way better than the civilian FOs....
*25000 hours playing flight simulator
My father had flown Air to Air sortie with First Officer
It seems to me like a tragic blend of a cantankerous aging pilot and a passive co-pilot with very damaged narcissism. It doesn’t add up that the co-pilot was a fighter pilot because a real fighter pilot worth his salt would have punched out grandpa, flown solo, and buttered the bread safely. You’ve got to always put your passengers first, which means doing what your control tower tells you to do. I’m not a fighter pilot - or a pilot - but I’d have sent the co-pilot to go find a seat in the back & landed that plane - and the pilot would have had a broken nose.
I've been an airline pilot for many years and thousands of hours. It's been my experience that captain's like this who treat the First Officer and other crewmembers poorly and quiz them, and are know-it-all's are almost always bad pilots with great insecurities. I've never bowed down to that. In this situation, the F.O. should have taken control and immediately begun escape maneuvers, at the latest, when they began getting GPWS warnings!
Why in Gods name the copilot just went down without a fight is beyond me. I mean over and over and over again, th e crew was told to pull up.
Both of them should have had enough brains to take manual control of that aircraft and climb, but neither one did.
That alone is bewildering.
Arrogance and a pomposity in the culture is, unfortunately, all too rampant in the cockpit of many aircraft today. The Korean based airline Asiana Airlines Ft 214 with (4) FOUR seasoned pilots on the flight deck drove a Boeing 777 into the end of the runway at San Francisco a few years ago. The problem? Everyone thought someone ELSE was in command and was fearful of making any controversial comments about the fact that the airplane was too low for the approach.
He shoulda knocked the captain out and taken the plane
It's a respect thing
Getting in these airlines with those culture beliefs is no bueno putting ur life in danger stick to Americans carriers
@@andersonrodriguez8258 buh das waycis!
Lack of Professionalism and ego of the captain took 152 lives
Thought he knew it all and to all intents and purposes he should have retired from flying .
Agreed.
apart from the deaths, the most unsettling issue here is that if there wouldn't have been a crash we would not know any of the issues presented here. A lot of people make comments about how the co-pilot should have acted but by the same token it was probably not the first time this occurred. If nothing would have happened the co-pilot would have probably been fired if he went against the captain because the captain would have probably complaint or have him written up, remember this is pakistan not the U.S.A. In those countries (even here in the U.S.) that happens all the time. It is only when something like this happens is that we the public even the company becomes aware of these issues putting people's lives in jeopardy.
@@hmax1591 I totally agree. Even I had this in my mind.
It's happened before many times.
"Planes are boring."
TheFlightChannel: Hold my tray in the upright position.
@@Loulovesspeed Because TheFlightChannel contradicts that simple statement?
@@Loulovesspeed You didn't understand the comment did you ?
@@Aaanze
I didn't get it either.
I detect a hint of sarcasm but it's still going over my head. (no pun intended). Seriously help me out, I'm feeling thick. 🤔
@@jtveg you know when someone says "hold my beer" in reply to someone saying somethings impossible?
bob "usain bolt is the fastest man on the planet... unbeatable"
fred "hold my beer"
fred's basically saying "i'll show you"
theflightchannel is saying "planes aren't boring, 'ere hold my beer"
but dean swapped beer for something plane related.
it's never as funny when it needs explaining, but that's the idea of the joke here.
@@johnwedgbury6817
Yes.
Thank you. 😎👍
This one is particularly harrowing because the crash was totally and completely preventable. So heartbreaking.
Doesn't seem to me like the captain was with his mind there. Almost like he spaced out while flying. I don't know..seems a little suspicious to me.
might have been slightly drunk or hungover....I agree.....doesn't sound like he was ready to fly this day at all....sadly
It's called panic
@@trevorregay9283 not drunk.. he remained awake the previous whole night to perform prayers as it was a religious night. And it was not even a compulsory ritual. Im a Muslim too, but I cannot imagine how he could be so unprofessional as to not care about his work the next day. I mean, he had the burden of so many souls on his shoulders and he did this!
Could he be drunk ?
@@sarat8577 he was drunk only in his prejudice and snobbery
152 lives lost because of one man's crappy and unprofessional attitude. Great.. (thanks for the upload, I love your vids, just hate this captain lol)
Nyx
Well said. I have to wonder if the captain were entering the early stages of dementia. His behavior reflects that.
@@watershed44 Very well could be. He's 61, which is not exactly "old" old (if you know what I mean) but still old enough to possibly display early symptoms of dementia or something of that sort. His actions were so irrational that I don't know.
Ha ha
@Ashok Gopar " the captain didn't turn off auto pilot" Therein lies the problem with most plane crashes. The pilots fail to react to situations accordingly because there's always an additional pilot in the cockpit - the autopilot (which, obviously, is a good thing). Pilots need to be aware of this and always - ALWAYS - pay attention to when it's engaged and not, what it's doing etc. etc. etc. That's good piloting - working mindfully with the tool that's there to provide security and backup.
@@KatjaNX Very well said...
Can't understand how the captain could ignore repeated warnings of terrain ahead and allow the plane to carry on. If I was the co-pilot, I would've just taken over control and saved myself and my passengers from the hands of this moronic captain. Clearly, he is so full of himself and cocky about his rank. If he wasn't dead, he'd be banned from flying indefinitely.
Is it possible to forcefully get the controls from captain?
Harsh1K20 of course it is. Either you try it in the normal procedural way by saying my control ( but in this situation the captain likely would have refused ) or you can press and hold the red button on the sidestick which gives your sidestick priority over his. But the captain could have also done the same thing. But yeah there are definitely ways to take over control.
The standard procedure would be to notify the pilot in control verbally that you are taking over control of the aircraft. And if the plane is in danger (which this was), it is accepted that the junior pilot can overrule the senior pilot and guide the plane to safety. Sadly, the co-pilot in this flight understandably did not challenge his captain. It should be said that in Airbus planes with fly-by wire technology, if both pilots make opposing inputs to the controls (for example captain pulls up and co-pilot pushes down), they will cancel out so the plane does nothing.
Alan Teh well said 👍
As said in the video
The first officer confidence was stripped so he wasnt confident aswell to take over the plane
If he had his confidence he would have probably done something
R.I.P To all those people in air blue who lost their lives that day and in my opinion the lecture and those harsh words were not necessary by the pilot.
did anyone notice the cabin sounds in the beginning "good morning"
Yes, usually they will say salam.
I still remember that day in summer 2010. Heavy rain, heavy flood all across Pakistan and that news of plane crash frightened everyone. It was the most painful and horrible summer of my life.
When my father was forced to retire at age 60; it practically killed him. "One day you're a highly trained, highly experienced, highly respected professional airline pilot, and the next day you're a bum". It was one of his favorite sayings in the thirty odd years of retirement. On the other hand, if someone had the foresight to retire the Captain in this video at 60; both he and 151 other people might be alive today. Berating someone on the job because of a perceived lack of experience and/or knowledge has absolutely no place in the cockpit of a passenger airplane period. It's obvious that this wasn't the first time that the Captain had shown this kind of rude behavior toward an obviously junior coworker. The airline's management bears some responsibility for placing two pilots with such widely differing levels of experience on the same flight.
It will be good to put someone who is experienced to cultivate and pass on experience to a newer pilot. However, the action of this captain did not do that. There are LOTS of people in positions of authority that abuses it...
B.J. Obviously crew resource management was not in effect at the time of the crash or if it was it was ignored by this full of himself captain. So sad for the passengers and cabin crew!!!
Same with we ATC's. Once we hit 56 we're done with working aircraft. One day we're enjoying the job and the next we've got bupkis! I really miss the work!
The situation reminds me of the crash of British European Airways flight 548.
I wonder how much any possible medical situation influenced the captain on Air Blue 202.
That is so fuckin idiot about the company nowadays because of these "AGE LIMITING" they're killing a man's family too! In the PHILIPPINES Shipping Agencies alibis are the European Principals! But onboard ships...like Greeks there were more older than 60's etc. Fuckn people they all are.
It’s like pilots forget how to fly after relying too heavily on automated systems. Terrain ahead pull up is not ambiguous, pull the damn yoke and add full power!
The point still stands, but there is no yoke (it's an airbus)
Side stick
Believe it or not. This is why unlike Airblue's main competitor; PIA use Boeing aircraft. They believe Airbus putting the computers infront of pilots can make them 'lazy'.
@@majorskies7091 Give me a computer over a pilot everytime. Especially after this video. And if the pilot is lazy, then thats down to training, not Airbus.
@@andrewthomas5540 unfortunately in this instant it was a case of pilot bullying first officer, the first officer knew what he was doing the boomer of a pilot decided to berate him for seemingly no reason. As far as training is concerned it was in the line of pilots professionalism. It saddness me either way as this has happened way too many times.
I could not have sat there knowing as the co-pilot did that they were about to die because the aging Captain was having a bad moment. Self preservation has to take over
Indeed. It's in the F/O job description to intervene and take control if the captain is acting erratically.
exactly i don’t understand how if death is staring you in the face you don’t do something to prevent it.. terrain pull up dammit!!
Sorry but in a lot of places culture like "respecting the elders" is more important than life. I am not joking. There is some Hindu belief that if a married man dies then his wife should be burnt alive as a sacrifice. This practice is known as "Sati" or something idk search in Google. Culture is much more important than life.
@@sanjay_swain my life is more important than anyone’s culture
@@56WagonWheel I understand.. but unfortunately there are people who don't..
The more videos i watch, the more i dont want to fly anymore :(
I'm lost for words with regards to what I think of this "Captain," but that poor co-pilot and everyone else...😞
This is a very good reconstruction of what happened. Age had nothing to do with this---pilots have been flying up to 65 regularly--and in some countries even longer. The question to ask is: "Why did the captain behave so irrationally." He was very religious and that day was supposed to be his day off but he was picked up when another pilot was unavailable. He had planned to fast on that day.. We have no way of proving that he was fasting on this flight but flying and fasting are against the law. When fasting blood sugar decreases and can lead to hypoglycemia. This is a subtle form of incapacitation that results in temper loss and confused behavior.What the capt showed was typical of this condition. I had devised a back up system in case, on a visual bad weather circuit, contact with the runway was temporarily lost. This was practiced in good weather to test it out. It consisted of using check points derived from DME distances from the VOR at certain radials. It worked but was not official and was only used as a back up as marginal weather can sometimes deteriorate,. It would never take you near the Margalla Hills. I usually flew this procedure manually so I had a good "hands-on" control. I was retired when this accident happened, but every copilot that I trained on the DC 10 or 747 were expected to assert themselves in such situations. A very experienced captain does not make mistakes like not pulling the knob to turn and is obviously incapacitated When terrain warnings come he HAS to alert the captain and if there is no positive response, assume control of the aircraft. People suffering from hypoglycemia will usually respond to firm orders. Whatever went on, after the warnings they should have MANUALLY taken control and turned the plane ---this is no time for confused fiddling with the auto pilot. My briefing to a new copilot was:" I have thousands of hours in command on this type of aircraft and I am a senior instructor BUT I CAN ALSO MAKE MISTAKES--your job is to point out anything that you feel is wrong. It may not be critical but I will thank you for pointing it out." Berating a copilot is the sign of a bad pilot. Every copilot is a potential captain and should be treated with respect. I feel deeply for the families of the deceased passengers. They did not deserve to be let down by an irresponsible and selfish pilot.
Looks like you hit the nail on the head. Very disturbing.
Excellent response!!
@Treyft Newman Yes indeed, even if I didn't like the person sitting next to me in the cockpit, safety always overrules personality. Even if I though they should not be flying at all, I still listened to any input they had and treated them with dignity and respect.
Sometimes it wasn't exactly easy but it sure beat crashing a plane.........
Hypoglycemia is not a subtle form of incapacitation. It can completely wreck your ability to function normally. I think your analysis is pretty spot-on.
There have been studies on the effects of hypoglycemia. Basically it happens when the body has low sugar levels. This was noted by the USAF when the (then) new fighters, the F14,F15, and F 16 began to have crashes on early morning training sorties. The pilots behaved normally in briefings but inexplicably lost conciseness in high G manoeuvres. It was found that they id not want to eat breakfast so early in the morning and were vulnerable to subtle incapacitation. In our airline we had a normally competent captain who tried to land a DC-10 at night, in poor visibility (with the airport aids not working) on the Cairo Airport road. He was fasting and his body had not time to recover from the meal he ate at top of descent. I banned fasting and flying in the airline and later the CAA followed suit. Subtle incapacitation, in aviation parlance means that the person can behave normally (except in some cases when loss of temper is apparent) but is unable to make coherent decisions. @@dbarless
On a more professional note. I just discovered the Flight Channel two days ago and have watched a few of these wonderful videos. For someone who was an expat, in years gone by, I flew in and out of 13 different countries on many occasions in North America, Central Asia, North Africa, the Middle East, Singapore and Indonesia. So I've been a passenger on hundreds of flights. These videos take me back to those days. I have nothing but respect for the creator of these videos - stunning - and the graphics are just sensational. Thanks!
I know nothing about piloting an airplane but if the FO had taken control would the Captain had put up a fight and tried to take controls back and made it worse?.....if it could have gotten worse:(
IMHO the Captain premeditated at some point during his take-off humiliating FO lecture that he was going to ignore certain headings and shake up the FO even more than his tirade. The Captain was consciously hell-bent on exerting egotistical power and control over another man. He internally plotted to take the FO for the "ride of his life". The Captain, by mixing the controls up a bit, now holds the keys to life and death, the ultimate power trip. His premeditated actions were meant to instill fear and control over FO. The Captain then surmised that in the end, he would augment his power by being a hero and saving the day with his AC knowledge and flying prowess. The Captain secretly believed that after this journey, the FO will know for certain who is "top dog" and "alpha male." Unfortunately, the Captain got in too deep with his little game and then could not dig himself out. As Captain, he believed he had power and control over the FO. Ironically, the Captain falls victim to his own devilish devices. Something greater than him, i.e. the weather and the automation of the aircraft become the ultimate power struggle winners in this drama. The Captain, haughty and proud, just seconds from disaster is humbled and eventually crushed and broken as the AC crashes on the side of a mountain. The FO is redeemed in this story by the ultimate humiliation and destruction of the dominator.
Yes, bang on point! That's exactly what seemed to have happened. Captain felt somewhat threatened because FO was a fighter jet pilot. How sad and unfortunate.
So true and very sad
@FSS2000: "IMIO"?
1st officer is NOT redeemed, because his actions of NO ACTION, killed all the passengers and crew!
Captain was 5’7 FO was 6’1. Captain suffered from the WORSE DISEASE IN HISTORY… NAPOLEON COMPLEX
There’s captains like chesley sullenberger and malcolm waters that can save planes from almost certain crashes, then there’s guys like this captain who are just as talented at turning a completely safe situation into fatal disasters
Believe it or not, my dad used to work for the airline back in 2010 and this Captain, (Cap. Iqbal) was one of his favorite captains to fly with.
Normal Human did you dad say why?
Laus R everybody makes mistakes he didn’t want to kill those people. But he was being negligent
The first Officer should have removed the crash ax, split the Captain's head in two and assumed command of the aircraft...
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Why did u say that, I'm laughing when i shouldn't lol
You made me laugh. Probably wouldn't have been a big loss.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami would’ve likely saved 151 lives tbh
I just picture the hound from game of thrones.
"TERRAIN" "pull up" "pull up"
'ta hells wrong with this autopilot...?
LMAO 😂
@SwiftSpear The FO remained quiet because the captain tried to humiliate him and scold him which made him depressed and under confident, that's why he did not dare to question his judgement.
I remember the shock, the horror and the chaos when this happened. It was one of the most horrifying tragedy to witness. Thank you for your hard work on making this.
Captain should not have berated his F/O like that. Even when the F/O is new, the captain should act professionally and teach him in a polite way. Everyone starts from zero. Eventually, the captain's ego led to their death.
Today is the 9th year since the plane crashed. May all passengers and crew Rest in Peace
The captain can go burn in hell
Except for the captain
if my superior was about to run into a mountain with me on board i would have become very confident.
So tragic when someone's ego costs the lives of innocents.
I would like to know if the Captain's behavior was typical for him? If yes, there must have been complaints from other flight crews. If he wasn't known to be a jerk, I'd wonder about something neurological going on. With so many flight hours, I can't believe how confused and rattled he became.
This Captain had serious problems with this particular first officer. The first officer was an ex F16 pilot, a younger man.. And this Captain didn't like him.
In an event before this, the first officer had confided to one of his friends that "baba jee (urdu word for elderly man) is gunning for me and will kill me someday".
In this particular event this Captain had strayed way off and found a chance to vent his anger at the man he hated... And that hate took him and others down.
Problem is, when people don't learn, because there are Captains in this and other airlines that prevent themselves from taking corrective CRM lessons, for them autopsy is fine, prevention is not.
Green Cresset, thank you for the explanation. So the Captain suffered from ego above all else. Tragic.
Quite enlightening that. May I know the source of the information you provided regarding the Captains attitude towards the first officer?
From what I remember, he was one of my dad’s favorite captains to fly with. My dad absolutely loved flying with him and always looked forward to it, so I’m guessing it wasn’t typical of Capt. Iqbal
That's a really good question. When I was still a basic EMT I went on a call to an office complex for an "unconscious person." When we got there an office manager was laying in his desk with his shirt off. Coworkers reported that he was really angry and short with them all morning and broke the lock off of the thermostat to lower the room temp. He apparently yelled at the facilities Dept on the phone about how hot it was in the building before laying down on his desk, having some focal motor seizures, and eventually passing out. Later, after we brought him to the emergency department, a CT scan revealed he had a brain tumor the size of an orange. It was removed the next day and found to be benign.
Due to the cultures in some countries where the guy in charge is perceived as "all-mighty and not to be questioned," many of the airlines in those countries (e.g. South Korea) have instituted cockpit policies that authorize the FO to take over FULL control of the aircraft in cases where the captain's actions endanger the safety of the flight.
GOOD!
GOOD! I'm sick of the 'woke' saying there is no difference in attitudes culturally, there just is!!! The arrogance and superiority of this Captain was unbelievable, and unforgiveable. He killed so many innocent people because of his self-assumed 'status'😦
@@2760ade
No one in the “woke” community has ever said that. In fact they’re the ones most likely to acknowledge that cultural difference. Stop trying to turn basic common sense into an ideological battle when it isn’t.
IMO the weird first hour session suggests the captain was having some sort of mental breakdown -- which ultimately manifested itself at the end.
Nah just a major ego trip. Probably because he’s jealous of the F/O being a former F-16 fighter pilot and he’s Just a shitty old fart with only 25,000 logged hours at 61 years of age. I’ve seen 35 year olds with twice the amount of logged flight hours.
He was just being himself.
I'm inclined to agree. I find it incredibly hard to believe this level of unprofessionalism would have gone on as long as it did without a single one of his coworkers filing complaints or taking things up with management, yet there's so record of such.
It's noteworthy the captain was *hospitalized* two months prior, (diabetes, hypertension, cardiac issues) but had since passed his annual medical.
The CAA also, for some incredibly asinine reason, *did not perform autopsies* on either pilots bodies.
I'd also read somewhere that he had originally planned on fasting because he'd supposedly had the day off, but the scheduled captain became unavailable last second. (I can't find a definitive, credible source for this claim, so you may want to take it with a grain of salt.)
All that said, hypoglycemia would certainly fit all of his behavior.
*edit:*
TFC left out at one point, _strangely,_ the captain even mixed up the Islamabad and Karachi airports, as though he'd forgotten where he was going.
Maybe they should test the pilots' behavior from time to time so that they can sort out such pilots.
Its unlikely he would have behaved that way in front of doctors
US based carriers most certainly do.
As part of CRM (Crew Resource Management), all crew members are interviewed on a fairly regular basis. Not only for their own mental health but they are encouraged to report possible trouble signs of other crew members.
No, it's not tattling on others, it's more like professional communication based on concern for safety.
@@rrknl5187 I wish someone had "professionally communicated" about Andreas Lubitz. :(
@@ThatClassic70sGirl No kidding!!
The problem here is that if there's a mental health issue, the medical certificate will be suspended or revoked. This means the end of the flying career.
Of course, no one wants that so they'll hide the issues as best they can. Unfortunately, this can lead to.....well.....rather unpleasant surprises.......
I don't know about any other country but in the US, as part of crew resource management, we're taught what to look for in terms of mental health and reporting these issues is always confidential.
It is the countries they're from in the middle east is the reason they act this way. South Korean Airlines had a similar problem and were almost banned from flying over our air spaces. It is a culture problem, not a personal problem.
Long time ago I have been witness of this kind of madman and what I can say is that their behavior is because this kind of person suffered of alcoholism or a great frustation due personal failure on his entire life, or both. What's is awesome is how on their aeromedical and psicological periodical test they are not detected and rejected.
juarez. vivo I was thinking that the pilot must be having some kind of personal crisis either family or medical. How tragic that instead of taking himself off duty that day, he got in the cockpit anyway.
Hard to imagine that the airline wasn't aware that something wasn't right with this captain.
I'm so glad that these videos don't affect my desire to fly one way or another... When your time is up it's up.
Still remember that day almost 9 and half year ago when the news of this plane was all over the news channels in pakistan .. it's just like yesterday ..May their souls rest in peace
How could a former F16 fighter pilot tolerate verbally being talked down to by the likes of captain kangaroo, you would think with his military training he would of ripped this captain a new one and guaranteed an ass whopping upon landing, if this would of been Amercian or Russian military pilot that's exactly what would've happened.
But in the military you are taught to respect your superior officers and obey their orders even if you disagree with them. It's called military discipline.
Plus the F-16 is a single-seater aircraft, so this former fighter pilot wasn't used to having a senior officer in the cockpit with him. Had he been a C-130 Hercules pilot, he probably would have reacted differently, since the Hercules is a transport with 2 pilots, and he would have been used to flying as part of a team.
Culture in Pakistan of too much deference and brown nosing of your bosses.
Job scare my friend in Pakistan seniors in any rank can get you fired for no reason,that Asshole was a senior Captain he could have him fired anytime
jenbill1602......you are talking complete nonsense - and on so many levels it's untrue! There are countless instances of First Officer's being scared to death of their Captain irrespective of nationality, culture, age, seniority,, experience etc etc. [in fact, 'lack of/breakdown in communication' on the flight deck is one of the most common causes of airline crashes - due to a 'subservient mentality' towards a captain by many co-pilots and first officers].
Unfortunately, I cannot recall the actual incident - but there was a very notable air-crash involving an American airline where this was conclusively found to be the cause of the crash. Following the post-crash investigation, psychological and psychometric profiling of pilots was strongly recommended - which a number of airlines subsequently implemented.
Indeed, South-West airlines, regularly involve their senior pilots in the recruitment and interviewing process for new pilots to determine how 'communicative' and capable they are when interacting with them. South-West have recognised just how important good communication and relationships are in their workplace - and particularly on the flight deck!
viva la france
If this plane had not crashed could the First Officer have reported the Captain without being ostracized by his fellow pilots or the company?
Yea he could have reported, resulting in the superiors coming to conclusion that First Officer himself was not worthy to be trained, and he would have been fired.
Perhaps he COULD have reported the behaviour but consider this, had he done so do you suppose that the SAME degree of superiority, smugness, and arrogance was waiting for him in the corporate suite? And WHO is to say that this was not the first time this pilot decided to 'exercise' his importance and rank in the cockpit. We never HEARD any reference to that behaviour in the report which leads me to suspect that fear was a dominant emotion not only in the cockpit but the company lounge.
There's a saying, one who doesn't protest or stop a wrong doing, is the *actual* cause of the consequences.
TBH, I don't expect these things to be reported. In Asia ( from Japan to all the way to middle East) harsh behavior from elders or more experienced is often tolerated. If this was reported the response probably would be "he has more experience than you do, just listen and learn without complaining".
It's extremely common for these kinda senior bullying in workplace across Asia, irrespective of the region.
@@asimsparks me being from Indonesia, your reply is sadly very accurate 👍🏻 there are exceptions, of course, but in the majority of situations? Yes he would be the black sheep
I'm really sad...most of the time when the pilot/first officer realized their mistake/error, it's already too late... 😢
Me and my family travelled on Airblue 2 days before this crash. I was 2 and we were going from Islamabad to Dubai. My mom screamed when she turned on the news that day.
"The Captain"
Asking for why his bird is not turning while in NAV mode, ignoring multiple GPWS AND officer's suggestions, executing visual in IMC... Even as a CM2, I'd spit in his face make him blind and took my priority.. At least everyone would survive.
u r my kind of woman
So much for his advices and lessons. Silly man snuffed life off hundreds with his sick attitude
Sadly another Crash in Pakistan of PIA A320 AP-BLD yesterday in Karachi :(
May the departed souls rest in peace
THANKS FOR CREATING THIS ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Oh that was such a sad day. Seeing pictures of those air hostesses who served us few days before that crash was very painful. May all of them rest in peace
I still remember that unfortunate day as being a employee of airblue, 28/7/2010,I was doing duty from night and it was havey raining in this morning, passengers of this unfortunate plane were calling us to find out about the flight schedule ,Some of the words that I still remember of these travelers were very angryly asking how it is possible that the flight is on time the rain here is heavy in Karachi and the weather is also bad in Islamabad.And it was a surprise to us also that the flight had to be on time in such a bad weather.
Wow captain being a duchebag and totally losing his mind control and awareness all together..... Age isnt everthing... This vid tells me that. Poor 1st officer
In some cultures you just do NOT question your superiors.
Poor EVERYONE they all died. 61 year old captain jealous and angry forced to retire soon and be replaced by a young hotshot fighter pilot "BOY IN MY DAY WE FLEW WITH INSTINCT WATCH THIS"
*CRASH*
The first officer however also failed to protect the plane and its passengers.
Emil Rais absolutely so how can you be a timid first officer if suddenly your pilot keels over with a heart attack what then. Just because he didn’t say anything does not mean he felt inferior who would know what he thought at the time it’s heartbreaking that bad service on a reasonably new plane was not thorough what a tradgedy my hearth goes out to families of all dead.👨✈️🍀✈️🇬🇧🇵🇷💗
Somehow, I feel that the situation was created by the captain's envy of the FO's experience in military aircraft...
The F/O should have taken control of the aircraft when noticing that the CPT was obviousely not able to command the flight in a safe manner anymore.
He should have clearly stated: 'I have control!' and probably saving all souls onboard by pulling up the aircraft.
He even repeatedly asked the captain to pull up the aircraft.
A true human disaster between 2 persons, killing everybody onboard.
May their Souls rest in Peace.
A fine example of how an inflated ego hypnotised by itself and unable to countenance any opposing narrative, dooms itself to calamities that may strike it dead.....literally !
First officer: You shouldn't do that.
Controller: You shouldn't do that.
Captain: How about I do anyway?
They say flying is the safest form of transportation which is true looking at statistics but I feel personally flying isn’t as safe as we make it out to be if procedures aren’t followed properly fatality is certain which puts fear in my mind every time I fly any one can make mistakes but in this case the co pilot should of took control and maybe they would of all survived god bless them all r.i.p
Capt should quickly fired before this... Poor junior.
That junior should be saved.
I feel sad for that junior pilot...
I saw the wreckage of this aircraft after the crash it was very disturbing..
First officer had experience as a fighter pilot, probably started with a wage much higher than the captain did when he started
Captain felt threatened by this younger, better looking, pilot...probably had a bombshell hot wife or girlfriend... was probably happy about life
Captain is old, nearing the end of his career, isjt happy with his accomplishments
Turned the cockpit into a boss/employee situation where what the captain says goes, without question or you'll be fired
Bet captain did this approach HOPING it would confuse the first officer
Making the captain look like hes a better pilot
Risking everyone on board just to bolster his fragile ego
THE HIDDEN X FACTOR VARIABLE… SHORT MAN SYNDROME!!!! He fucking killed those people Due to he was a SHORT BITCH. NAPOLEON COMPLEX IS SEVERELY REAL AND PREVALENT EVERYWHERE
The title should be "How a Pilot's Ego Caused this Airbus A321 to Crash" That's an incredible story. I don't understand how you can be so confused that you don't "pull up" when told by the terrain warning. Presumably he was so focused on solving his problem that he didn't even hear the warning. Also incredible that the co-pilot felt so ashamed that he would not say anything or act when the terrain warning announced. In Indonesia, there are similar cockpit problems because there is a culture of not challenging a superior level pilot. Crazy. :(
The Captain acted as a "I know everything-Asshole"and was severely overshadowed by the co-pilots qualifications as a Fighter jet pilot. Eventually his Jealousy and Frustration made him disoriented and confused caused him to behave like a Jerk and caused the Crash.Actually he has murdered 152 innocent people just by his Sheer Egoistic attitude.
As the saying goes ,"Assholes die hard"
EGO always turns into a disaster (a.k.a : Tenerife incursion by KLM egotistical captain).
Indeed. Napoleon Complex as well
The first person view of crashing always gives me goosebumps and such anxiety.
Who's here after flight 8303 crashed in karachi?
@one world who's here after molesting innocent medical students on delhi bus aka rape capital of the world?
I am here after the flight 8303 crash incident in Karachi..... watching many videos of this channel... found so informative yet so scary........ my heart goes low
Topa hai bey tu
Big fan from Pakistan. Thanks a lot for posting this. 👍
Than WHY are you not in Pakistan?
@@darrowfortheprosecution1404 when did I say I wasn't?
I like how little those 25 000 hours of flying time mattered. This wasn’t rookie mistakes by the Captain, it was sheer incompetence that got them killed. I’m surprised he was able to fit in that cockpit with such an inflated ego.
This is something I have observed in my life (going to sound very general), its that South East Asian men tend to get extremely arrogant and condescending the older they get with their supposed experience. They are unable to process that someone more junior than them can have potentially more expertise than them. The lectures they give out on how great they are is merely a ploy to hear themselves talk.
Who knew because of someone’s personality that plane went down.
First officer should have been the captain of this flight. Rest in peace everyone. Even the hard headed captain!
I doubt it was the first time that cptn pulled that crap. I'm sure the airline was aware of the captain's arrogance and did nothing abuot it. It speaks to a dangerous mentality within their culture that I doubt has changed, but they aren't alone. There's a couple of other of these vids in which a korean captn wasn't questioned by junior officers and they all ended up in nirvana.
Am I the only one who wakes up screaming in the middle of the Night with
the words : Terrain , Pull Up ! Terrain Pull Up !.....echoing in my head ?
I was waiting for this video a long time thanks Flight Channel and feel sorry for departed souls. :-(
Love how realistic this is.
Wow the captain was having an extremely off day it seems. It's really too bad the first officer didn't take control, the captain did SO many wrong things it's absolutely ridiculous.
Listening to a captain's lectures is one thing, but when an automated system (GPWS, TCAS, etc) starts lecturing you............
I gotta say I binge on these damn videos, and these graphics are insane. Nice videos!
This is typical of Pakistan. If someone is in a superior position in Pakistan he more often than not will be derogatory towards his juniors. Workplace and educational institution bullying is in abundance and if someone confronts them about it they usually say "It is for their own benefit" or "They will not forget it when associated with such behavior" especially in workplaces. In reality degrading someone gives them a sense of entitlement and gives a low self esteemed and narcissistic personality which is what most Pakistanis are all about, a justification for their small existence.
A saying that i have for this "A person's integrity can be assessed by how he treats those who he doesnt need to treat nicely"
Spot on. Arrogant assholes
That's a great saying, and very true. If you have to degrade others to feel great, than you are not great at all. It's those who are kind, supportive and encouraging to those around them that earn respect and the genuine support of others.