AMD X870E and Ryzen 9000 : in short, do not waste your time (or money) on it.
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- It is the equivalent of a tech Groundhog Day. We are in October 2022 all over again. I can’t believe that we are seeing the same specs in renamed products, 18 months after their initial release.
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In fact, this is a good opportunity for people who are thinking of building a PC this summer. Especially those who want to buy AMD's 65watt processors. However, those who have already purchased a 7000 series processor recently should not worry because you have not lost anything.
AMEN to that !
AMD doesn't have 65W processors anymore. Only chips that boost until they begin cooking slowly to death at 95C
so it's a win win scenario :) positive thinking
It's still better. Why act like it's not? Chipsets are better, processors are 1nm less with IPC improvements. I wouldn't buy these anyway because the X3D is so much better.
Let me put it this way : "Not better" enough for a generation 18 months in the oven.
And that's 18 months of our tech life wasted :(((..... How will we get to Mars in time ????
Plus the X870 chipset comes standard with USB4, which I think is really nice to have. Sorry but Laurent is just being dramatic and overreacting
Because with the possible exception of the 9950x, they aren't better than last generation's X3D chips.
All I care about is improved memory overclocking. If it actually doesn't allow for 6600+ gear 1 or substantial bandwidth increases with 8000+ gear 2, then X870 is pointless. Perhaps a more readily available 2 dimm mobo will be available. X670E only had the GENE. It was itx only and quite difficult to get.
Well yes, I do get ur point, and agree to an extent.. But USB4 was already available and widely availed on X670 chopsets.... I mean... This is not new... Or relevant for 2024.
When was the last time an entire chipset upgrade depended on the adoption of 1 more USB plug... Which was already available anyways ?
I've been praying for a 13% increase in performance!!! 5800x3d will be good for another generation!
Absolutely
Absolutely!!!!
AMD's commitment to platform longevity that big win all round for both AM4 and now AM5 going to 2027 and my bet beyond
That's really a good news
So another year wait until ryzen 5 gets 8-12 cores standard.
I upgraded over the holidays and got a 7800x3d with Rog Strix B650e-f on sale. Doesn't look like the performance upgrade will be worth it for now. The 9000 series will likely drop in price within the first 6 months so no reason to rush out and grab it at launch.
Amen
Yep, people who already are on Ryzen 7000 have no reason to upgrade. But that should be normal with only a generational uplift
Curious if they’re saving the bigger uplift with the 3D v cache variants to take the crown from Intels products later this year.
the architecture is completely different yes clocks are the same but IPC has been improved as well as power usage I think the 870 870E are also improving memory speed
This guy: 7000 series 5.7ghz = 9000 5.7ghz = worst than a refresh. Thats why intel get to push 300watts (threadripper level energy usage) to go to 6ghz while doing nothing else.
The memory speed is increased marginally (5200 to 5600 MT) and only tries to close the Intel Gap.
The CPU has some improvements...
But missed the most important part......... More PCIe 5.0 lanes.......
The 9000 series is exploiting the same architecture. There are some gains, but after 18 months of development, they are way below what a full generation upscale should be.
The fact that we are using identical chopsets should give u a big hint and somewhat of a pause :)
@@Laurentschoice well I am still on AM4 with a 5900x 32 gb ram @ 3600 cl 16 and very happy with its performance still so I guess it is all irrelevant to me I wont worry about upgrading until Zen6
good news for someone like me who's still on am4 and wanting to upgrade to am5, zen 4 cpu's and boards will hopefully get price cuts, can't wait for 7800x3d, been watching your videos and recently discovered and subbed to you because of your extremely thorough motherboard reviews, thinking about the strix b650e-f because i'm on a b550 f rn and don't have any complaints and wouldn't mind that, or the "eee-eeee!'' strix board either, also does anyone have any thoughts about either open box from microcenter, and/or amazon warehouse, because for me the b650e-f is like 160ish for "like new"
Im a user of b650 motherboard and no plan of changing unless there's a big upgrade like b550 vs b450 that have support of pcie4 vs pcie3.
I bet 0.5 % of people benefit from getting x670 over b650. mobo prices are a scam now days.
Many people see the IPC gains and compare that to 7000 series X3D-parts which is just nonsense... 9000 series X3D-parts will be enormous, hopefully AMD changed the way how a CCD is connected with the extra 3D-V-Cache... 16 and 12 cores with shared Cache sounds delicious 🔥
Welp, sounds like the double v-cache won’t be happening this generation
Wow thanks I have a B650E Aurous Master so I'm good to go... Nice to have an honest review, everyone else is saying how great the new motherboard and Cpu's are! I thought my 7800X3D was still good cause the gaming numbers increases wasn't impressive even on their own charts! So we have the $3000 5090 to look foward too.. Yippie... SMH
frankly, i feel like a lot of them are already sold out and trying to save their chances of an AMD sponsoring. I know i just buried mine :)...
Aaand we got PCIe 5 GPUs? (I mean like those that don’t cost over 5.000$)
Planned to upgrade from ryzen 5000 to ryzen 9000 and ended up going 7000 and will probably get an x670. Then i am on the am5 platform and will wait till zen 6 for a new cpu.
The Frenchy is stocked in the past.
Currently running a Ryzen 7 3700X on an ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming mobo (w a 1080 Ti too haha) and just picked up a Ryzen 9 7900X3D near me for a little under $300! Def just gonna keep this steal of a CPU but I’m really considering going for an X870E board when they come out since: I’m doing the upgrade anyways from AM4, I’m not in a rush to make my new upgrade build, and I wanna take advantage of that Gen5 NVMe speeds with the 4TB one I’m getting >:D
Excellent info Laurent, enjoyed it a lot !
Cannot wait to upgrade my 7800X3D for the 9950X3D.
LMFAO! Waste of Money
@@NBWDOUGHBOY Broke people behavior LMFAOOOOOO
Aren't we a happy bunch :)
@@hdz77
Well that will probably become my new goto for the platform upgrade from my 5800X3D,
as i could use a few more cores, with generally much more power and keep the cache for gaming.
Not to mention all the extra improvements they made over the then 2generations uplift, so quite worth it then. :)
Ah yes because you're broke for not blowing 1K on 15% more fps in specific CPU bound situations.
As I sit here watching this with my X670e motherboard with a 7950x3d.
Cool.
Well I ended up with 3 revised poducts, i5 14600k revised 13600k and AMD 7800XT
revised 6800XT.
Even revised Gigabyte Arous Elite X Z790 Wifi 7 from Gigabyte Arous Elite AX Z790 the motherboard you reviewed , revised lol.
what about intel 14 series. is it better than 13?
It's about the same kind of tactic :) ...
@@Laurentschoice ty 🤍
@@Laurentschoice 💀
Good video. Thank you for covering the differences. But I think you missed the part about EXPO supporting higher RAM speeds.
I initially covered that... And removed it while editing.... Bummer. In short I was saying that the EXPO upgrade was marginal (5200 to 5600 MT) and..... Failed to close the clock gap we saw between the x670e and the z790 platform
@@Laurentschoice Yes, that is marginal. But suppose I'm building a system now and since Am5 socket is going to stay for few years, shouldn't I wait one or two months to buy the X870 series?
You have no clue. They tested the 9000 series wit low power settings (65w or 105w... not 160-200w).With pbo enabled I bet you 100€ that the average performance gain will be way over the 8% number you pulled out of the air.
i have 4080 super and im going to buy soon the 7 7800X3D but after this announcement im not sure which motherboard to chose ,msi X670E msi B650 or X870E
B650E is the best in terms of features / values. Strix E in particular. Reviewed it few month back
@@Laurentschoice the only available B650E is the gigabyte aorus master and the asus strix but in this gen I've heard bad things about the asus so i have 2 options msi or gigabyte ,buts msi have only the b650 the mpg carbon or the x670E mpg
Reviewed that one too. It's an awesome ...gorgeous board !
@@Laurentschoice i know ,thanks to you I have chosen the current motherboard Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite you make very good and detailing video, and now its time to upgrade because with my 4080 super on 2k i have big bottleneck , anyway which of the three motherboards would you recommend, the msi b650 mpg carbon, the X670E msi mpg or the gigabyte aorus master B650E?😀
Master B650E !!! Obviously :)))
usb 4 has been hard to find
I feel sorry for you man. I am using a 5800X3D and there is never an update coming for my chipset. I hung onto my board and ram but changed my CPU and GPU. I am fine for a few more years. RX 6800 was a good deal at $358 NIB so I bought one. I may never upgrade a "gaming" PC again. If I quit buying games and only play my backlog I will be very old when I am done. lol
Amen to that !
1 year? Bro, Ryzen 7000 came out in 2022
Totally right :) ...even worse
it may feel like a tick-tock refinement step, but i'm happy anyway, because i won't be upgrading from x670. i will be upgrading from x570 :)
You're missing something. Power efficiency. The 7700X is a 105W cpu of TDP and the 9700X is a 65W cpu. It will be easier for air cooling in small cases, for example. Not everyone needs to overclock or has a budget for liquid cooling.
Lets all hope the RTX 5090 is the big thing to look forward to coming out
4 sticks of ram needs to work on these new boards and processors that's all that really matters. If the new stuff will do 128 or 192 gb's of 6000 mhz ram then it's golden in my book.
Happy my first pc last year I chose to build with a x670e mobo and 7800x3d. Now when i go too upgrade ill just wait till 2028, keep my motherboard and just get a discounted cpu cause by that year, the 2027 cpus being the last on the socket config will be cheap as fuck.
Frankly .... There is no reason to buy anything until then. NONE
I would only build something dirt cheap with Ryzen rn so if 7500f gets discount or if 9600x is really affordable, get the cheapest possible mobo and wait till Arrow Lake
I am only going to buy 8670e just for usb4 for my home server build.More cheaper boards will come with usb4/ thb4 connectivity, I was waiting for this. That's good for certain people who didn’t upgrade in last 10 years.😅
Or get a B650e. Same PCIe lanes, USB4 .... Not much of a difference
@@Laurentschoice Unfortunately any b650e with usb4 is not available in my country Bangladesh. I will wait for the new upcoming components. I am closely watching the videos of computex 2024.Lets see the pricing and what comes next.
@@Laurentschoice ...you can get near USB 4, 40gps by using pcie to usb 3.2 gen 2x2 addon card.. 20gps...still bloody fast and backward compatible... on the other hand get if you have an existing board with usb 4 option then buy the addon card to use it, either Asus USB4 PCIe 4.0 Card or MSI USB4 PD100W Expansion Card.... Gigabyte has one too... GC-MAPLE RIDGE
But if you're on 5000 like a lot of us, then upgrading to 9000 is gonna be a sweet 35% - 40% boost in core performance.
I think this is the same as 400 series boards. Just replacing the current stuff.
The video could have been handled with a different tone to get people on your side better
%15 more ipc is nice but its almost certainly not going to justify the inevitable %30-%50 price premium over the current discounted stuff. But there is no reason to be negative about this since it's just mediocre generational progress and prices will come down like they did with Zen4.
Significant IPC gains with huge energy efficiency vs last gen? That's a huge upgrade. If you have already a 7000 series cpu that is more than enough for years to come for the majority of regular consumers. But these new ones are great upgrades. If you want more PCIe lanes, get an entry-level threadripper...those are there for a few reasons and expansion and PCIe increases are one of them.
Meh... People are satisfied with so little these days.... Sniff
@Laurentschoice that's my point, most people don't need so much. I myself, I need more, so I recently built a 7980X workstation with 192Gb which totally satisfies my needs for work. :)
Just bought new motherboard and Ryzen 9... All new good stuff to keep spending money on techies! I like it!
Thanks for the good news Laurence ❤
Most people, myself included, don't need PCIe 5.0 and cannot tangibly benefit from it. I'll be using a B650E board for my 9900X build, but not because of the E. The one I've selected is simply laid out better.
Agreed... But the new gen of GPUs are around the corner... And PCIe 5 is about to gain some relevancy :)
Are you of Italian origin? 🗿
i would prefer waiting 2 years and see solids products (well though out) rather than crap ones like for example 14th gen intel chips. Companies should take this philosophy
Still starved for PCIe lanes, seeing motherboards with only 2 PCIe slots, that will run x8x8. But, USB 4 is very welkom
2:04 That is not new. Some boards already did that (e.g. high end Gigabyte B650E boards)
X870 is literally just B650E with USB 4
U my dear, are my favorite comment of the day !
Greetings, Laurent.
I take issue with rumors 9000 series is Windows 11 only. No windows 10 drivers support
This is the type of people that i expect to comment in this videos of no sense.
Ah... I would not think so. The architecture being so titely identical to it's predecessor, it'll run x86 all around :)
Eeeeh I find you pretty pessimistic here!
I'm currently on AM4 (B550), and I'm planning to get on AM5 soon-ish. I'm pretty happy with the mandatory USB4, the only option for X670E was pretty much the ASUS ProArt, or stupidly expensive other ASUS mobos. If the pricing isn't outrageous, I'd be glad to get an X870(E) for that USB4.
As for ryzen 9000, as always I'd wait for the waves of benchmark next month before being overly pessimistic or optimistic.
And get some sleep too :p
I need the sleep..... Ahahaha. I don't know... I guess I was expecting so much more. The lack of additional PCIe 5 lanes really disappointed me
@@Laurentschoice That's fair!
I'm not really sold on PCIe Gen5 personally, appart from NVME, meh...
Who would need four full Gen5 NVME or something. I'd rather have more Gen4 ones with more than 3 PCIe slots for expansion cards.
In my case, I'm all about a bitch of NVME at PCIe 5!! I am constantly video rendering, editing ... It's non stop
I will still buy it
This is a tricky situation. If the X870E and Ryzen 9000 offer better memory controllers and improved performance for a much cheaper then I would take it as a win.
But honestly I might as well wait and see. In the worst case possible it’s not good and the current X670E and Ryzen 7000 get much cheaper.
You are right...sadly they are becoming a bit like Intel as they are now the leader and with that the prices keep going up whilst the performance is only going up in smaller steps. The motherboards on both sides are already expensive. One can only hope that Intel come in with something very good as that will drive the compition on prices to lower....or even Qualcomm copming to the rescue...
What are the 9000 prices?
@@nempk1817 Not sure but will not be less than the 7000 series and probably a little bit more but as always AMD will lower later down the road as they always do. Pretty sure they are holding back the X3D versions to see what Arrow Lake will bring and then launch X3D to counter Arrow Lake.
If you call the Ryzen 9000 a name change, you should probably stop uploading. Not even the biggest youtuber have tested the CPUs and nothing forces a "motherboard change". L video.
Word ! :)
But ... To be fair, been around long enough to know when a company has been focusing their ressources on something else. :) ... And AMD has done nothing in 18 month worth ur money. ;)
And yeah... They can put a bunch of fancy words around it... It's nothing but ur good old 7000 series with a new price tag :).
@@Laurentschoice Man you need to stop displaying you knowledge in this comments 💀
Perfectly summarized. 👍If you already have an AM5-system, you don't need a motherboard or CPU upgrade. For all those who want to build a new AMD-system, they can choose the „old“ x670/X670E mainboards or take the more expensive, but practically identical, X870/X870E mainboards. My decision would clearly be based on price.
I'll stick with my AM4 Ryzen 9 5950X build, with an RTX 4070 Ti Super, and 128GB of RAM. This PC is an absolute beast!!
Ryzen 9 7950X has no 128GB RAM till today... Very sad
@@Fortespyproductions I'm actually looking forward to a 5900XT CPU with 16 Cores and 32 Threads - tucked right between a 5900X and a 5950X. Also might be thinking about a 9700X build. It's only 65W TDP with more processing power!
I hope the X3d is better amd has been making big claims for the new v-catch
Basically not worth an upgrade, wait 10 years lol
Owning 7950x paired with x670e mobo .. and i was like wtf they improving here? lol.. AI AI AI i guess
Not quite sure what is being said here. Granite Ridge CPU has 24 PCIE lanes - 16 for Graphics, 4 for NVME1 (usually), and another 4 for NVME2 (usually) + 4 lanes for the chipset. Doesn't matter how many "promontory 21" bridge chips AMD has on a motherboard, any PCIE devices hanging downstream those bridge chips will still bottle-necked by the existing 4 lanes between the CPU->CHIPSET(s). I'm assuming the USB4 controller will be connected to one of the "promontory 21" chipsets and given USB4 supposedly supports PCIE4.0x4 tunneling - how exactly will it have enough bandwidth when the CPU->CHIPSET upstream connection is being shared with everything else downstream (be it 10 GB Lan, WiFi, third NVME and etc).
Will AMD go with a slightly different layout instead by going 16x CPU_PCIE for Graphics, 4x CPU_PCIE for NVME,. 4x CPU_PCIE for USB4 then the remaining CPU -> CHIPSET bandwidth (PCIE4xLane) will be shared with the 2ND NVME slot, SATA, WiFi, LAN, Expansion PCIe slots and etc?
My opinion is that they should have created a new socket with more PCIE lanes from the CPU (maybe a total of 36 to 40 PCIE lanes) and get rid of needing a "chipset". Would be nice to have
16x for Video Card
4x for NVME1
4x for NVME2
8x for expansion PCIE slot (can be used for more NVME, or 25/40/100 Gigabit ethernet, or another Video Card)
4x for USB4
1x lane for expansion PCIE slot
remaining 3 PCIE lanes can be used for 2.5GB LAN, WiFi7, SATA.
Pinning this comment for all to see.
Thanks again for the details comments and breakdown 💕
If you need more pcie lanes, they have that as well in threadripper. Different socket just like you describe. If you really need a large amount of lanes, there is the Epyc line.
The larger packages also make cooling easier
I agree with you that it is surprisingly easy to over run lane count for a serious professional workload.
I felt the whole keynote was boring, I don’t understand why they don’t just release the 9800x3d and charge the same as a 9950x and say, well you wanted it, here it is. Thanks amd, they made intels keynote way more interesting to watch. Good vid btw
Sorry Laurent but you are just being dramatic and overreacting.
Meeee... Dramatic !!!! Aaaaaaaah how dare you !!!!!???? Overreacting !!!!! Nevvvveeeeeer !!!!!!!!!
@@Laurentschoice 💯😜
Oh and for people with Ryzen 7000, the 9000 series is no reason to upgrade. But that should never be the case between two generations
I just wanted more pcie 5 lanes.... Is that too much to ask for ? Sniff.... I'm drowning my sorrow in goal milk.
But yes.. agreed :)
@@Laurentschoice you can't always get what you want, you get what you need 😜🎸 (Rolling Stones)
PCI Lanes for what? SLI|Crossfire Lolzz@@Laurentschoice
Meanwhile i have ZERO reasons to change mobo, my X670E Hero does come with everything that X870E offer.
Refresh? It’s a reworked architecture.
It's the same architecture, literally, optimized thanks to 4nm lithography. But it is the same.
Did you purposefully misspell "waste" in the original title to get people to click on the video?
...because if so, that shit worked in my case, lmao. Well done, I guess?
Wait .. that's is pure (evil) genius !!!
@@Laurentschoice right?! I wonder how many content creators actually do stuff like this? 🤨
Can't wait to see what intel can do with a 120W TDP😂
I can't wait for you review hahahahahaaa
Marko in the HOUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSE ! THE MASTER FAN IS BACK !!!!!!!
The 9600 should be very close to a.7800X3D at only 65w.. that in itself is something to be impressed with... Zen 6 is the CPU that will bring change... Zen5 was always going to be a small refresh fixing issues and latency.
Meh... Well... If that's what gets you excited :)
@@Laurentschoice i'm excited that the older AM5 CPUs may start to drop in price even more... at the moment there is no AM5 budget build.. also compared to intels 13th gen to 14th gen (overclocked 13th gen)..Zen5 is exciting lol :)
@defectiveclone8450 well that was going to happen anyways :) . After 18 months since the last big generational release.. I was expecting a real upgrade. Cores / better iGPU, onboard PCH based PCIe 5 lanes. 3nm lithography. We are far far far from being anywhere satisfying .
@@Laurentschoice intel may have something better coming out soon. time will tell. Not a long wait !
Btw, you suffer from c-19 time travel. 7950x was purchasable end of 2022. So its more than 1.5 years for a refresh
Lol.... Absolutely true !
They consume less power while being faster
Dont try man, this guys looks at the numbers and thinks he knows something.
Yes :) ... But they missed the train when they didn't add pcie 5 lanes which is the nerve of the war this year :)
Been around long enough :) . I think AMD has been focusing some of their development ressources else where ... And yesterday "reveal" reflects that.
@@Laurentschoice if you need a pro station, I'm pretty sure you buy a pro station, not a desktop PC. But that's me.
Not interesting to anyone who already had AM5 system from last gen, but devil is in the details and it definitely would be interesting for those who are upgrading from older jank. 9900K to 9950X seems like a nice small upgrade. +50!
And hey you have to consider the expectations. These companies do not have the resources to do full redo every year. It was always clear that after last year's AM5 new shiny (new socket, DDR5, new CPUs), this year was a small upgrade with nearly identical platform.
Been 18 months :((((((.......
X870 have better audio chipset, these were in short supply , a year ago, when the x670 motherboards came out.
I want the latest and greatest, thats why I want to make more money!
5-10% is better than intel 13th gen to 14th gens 1-3%. Don't buy Any of these. Wait for X3D
👍
Yeah, except, nope: AMD has been pretty close to their claimed IPC with each Zen generation. So, much more likely that they cone close to their claimed 16% than achieving only half of that. 👍
Let's wait for the actual reviews before calling it a pass. Lower power consumption is nice!
It is :) .... For a refresh :(...
18 months.... And we get an efficiency boost.
#awesome
I said this same thing. Anybody who already has a 7800X3D and up. Should not even bother looking at these CPUs For a 16% Increase. Its Zen+ all over again. Leakers were saying 25% to 30%. LOL. Once again. Over Hyped. The best thing about these CPUs to me and why I might take a look at them is the AVX-512 actually being Full Bandwidth this time so It should be way faster in RPCS3 which is all I care about really.
Could not agree more :)
I'll just wait for the 11800X3D lol.
Let's see 3rd party benchmarks!
But, I do believe that Zen 5 will be much better than Zen 4.
It is :) but not enough after a 18 months gestation.... And it's tough love... AMD missed the mark on PCIe 5 lanes supply this time. Especially as PCIe 5 is about to get much more relevant with next gen GPUs
@@Laurentschoice
AMD could've done more, however this architecture change is a much bigger step forward than what Intel offers, generally, at a new launch (gen 13 to gen 14, for example).
You know that AMD was at the mercy of ASMedia for the USB4 controller?
I swear, people don't do research anymore and simply push biased garbage out.
So... The USB 4 was a matter of chance for AMD... they didn't even pushed for it.. it just happen to be there because of ASMEDIA?
What did AMD do for 18 months then ????
I hate to give this rage-bait interaction but:
was Zen+ also „a wasted year“? You know, Ryzen 2x00 which was the 2nd Ryzen gen on AM4. Did we advise 1600 owners to buy 2600? No. Was it a waste of dev time? No! 2600 (and Zen+ based 1600AF) were the go-to budget gamer chip until…
Was R5 3600 a waste and not worth our time? Zen2s IPC gain over Zen+ was only 13% as well. We got better clocks, and more importantly better memory controllers. And all 3 combined made a heck of a difference. 3600 was the budget gaming chip for the next year.
Now I know some want 12C chiplets, that’d be nice. But calling 9000 not worth it is laughable. For 7000 users it is - of course! For anyone else though? Looks promising!
Baby... I made this channel (and this video ) for enraged interaction. Don't be sorry for it.
For the rest.. we both know I'm right . And we both know you my mother in hiding .
I thought we were gonna get that 32 Cores per CCX that leakers were Rumoring. No Core Increases, Minor 1NM reduction, Small IPC Increase. They didn't release anything special. This really reminds of going from a 1800X to a 2700X. Realistically, It would've been better to wait and go from a 1800X to 3800X then to a 5800X3D. Why does AMD Second Generation always Suck? LMFAO!!!
Amen !
+1
Arrow lake is gonna slaughter zen 5, Lunar lake on laptops, nVidia has already slaughtered AMD, the best days of AMD is over.
What about all my stock invested in AMD...
@@jjglaser still good for the short term, let’s see if their AI computing on die “Instinct” architecture will work out, if it will be their “Zen” moment for data center
I and many others will not listen to you and be happy as well.
Yup very disappointed with AMD. I expected much more from them.
Finally an honest review!
Love all around :)
i appreciate your sanity. the biggest change is from 5nm to 4nm from what I can tell. very disappointing chipset and cpu's
I'm here bro if you can see my post
I see ONLY YOU
I’m just here. To read all the comments. As I watch 👀 this video 🎥🍿🧋🇺🇸.
@@Laurentschoicegood to see you can read my post bro me and Google are not beastie no more 🤣🤣🤣 I think I'm going to wait for the x3d new chips next year
Lol !!!!
Stop whining. Appreciate the backwards compatibility. Else, switch to the dying Intel CPUs.
meh. clickbait.
waste..
bouahahahahaahaha... i need more coffee... and more people like you :) Thanks Raymond for saving my .....
Annoying attitude, it's not needed and wastes so much time.
What's wasted is .... AMDs year !!!!!!! (See what I have done there ?)
AMD = Arrived on Motherboard Dead !! 🤣
Bouahahahaahahah.