Elementor vs Gutenberg - Are Page Builders Obsolete?
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Elementor or Gutenberg, the block editor that comes with your WordPress installation. In this video I take a look at how they both stack up to one another in terms of their usefulness and long term value.
Overall, Elementor was a compelling page builder for WordPress when it came out. Not only could you visually edit your website in real time, it was one of the first front end page builders. Front end meaning you could see the changes you make in real time. Previously, with themes like Headway (now defunct) you had to edit, save and check. A tedious process for sure.
WordPress listened and they moved away from being just a text editor with themes like the way Blogger is. Instead, Gutenberg and WordPress allow you to edit and design your website in a very intuitive way. Calling into the question, do you even need page builders anymore for WordPress now that Gutenberg keeps getting better?
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00:00 Intro
01:32 Price Points
02:36 Limitations
04:14 Learning Curve
05:36 Page speed and web vitals
06:17 Design takeover
07:07 WordPress Themes
08:08 Popups
09:30 Final thoughts
11:02 Subscribe!
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I'm not a fan of Gutenberg. The blocks always end up looking like a hot mess on the user end. So I moved to Elementor, which is just easier for me to use.
Do you use free versions of Kadence or Astra? If yes, do you think the free versions are good enough for a simple small business e-commerce site?
@@lostinlore523 Same here. I tried building a website with Elementor, Gutenberg, DIVI and Oxygen. I was always 3x faster with Elementor.
I like Elementor for the possibilities in design. I hate it for how horribly it slows down my website. They should do something about it if the want to be a good page builder still in the future. Right now Id rather have a fast, neat and simple website than super pretty and super slow annoying website.
I can see the appeal for Gutenberg if you're an affiliate marketer or a blogger, but if you're making custom designed website for clients, I think Elementor is the much better option. I'm an experienced web developer and the process of building out websites takes exceptionally longer if I'm building with Gutenberg.
I would love to use Gutenberg for my website builds because it's more lightweight, but it's still not quite there yet.
See, he mentioned where and how Gutenberg is useful. Elementor is good, actually very good. But the shocking realization you get when you meet the free version in use disappointing. Is it me that I am still struggling with learning with the free one that will then add paid learning curve to it? What is the essence of free if you can't get a header and footer for a website even? I think that should be taken out of the limitations at least.
@@internet4543 I am complete newbie. I can't but agree with you, the analysis I saw shows so. Thanks for reaching out too.
@@internet4543 he said he can’t but agree, which means he agrees.
I really don't get why people love Gutenberg so much. I'm trying to redo my brothers website with it. Following David's instruction from another video and first, most of the option he has, for some reason I don't have them. Also it's so incredibly slow and buggy, my laptop sounds like it's going to explode and the page crashed several times already. I know my laptop is to blame for some of it but still, I just hate the feel of it. Having to constantly go back and forth between the editor and the page and having to reload to see changes is just so annoying as well. I just really really hate it so far.
Meh .. you just don't know enough about Gutenberg to be able to use its full potential .. -_-
Thanks for your honest review. As a beginner, I was quite confused about themes and page builder. Your video helps answer some of my questions
You are absolutely right. I got here because of that learning curve and unexpected, sudden realization of that limitation. So my research led me to a lady(Excellent Learning or so, who taught "Building a one page website with stackable and two other plugins, and I loved it. So, wanting to know more got me to you. Thanks for this clarification. Though, I really love Elementor, but i doubt if it is for beginners like me.
For beginners, I can agree. For professionals with clients that will require specific needs, custom queries, filters and layouts, Elementor makes it very easy to do this, granted you need to have coding/php skills which I do as a seasoned developer. Also, as standards change and mobile first capabilities become more extensive, it's a safer bet to go with Elementor and the few other plugins you might need as Elementor will stay updated with all the CSS/Javascript. Going the other route means you either have to code and maintain standards yourself or rely on the developers of all those plugins you are using in tandem to accomplish the task that 1 plugin is doing. So if you are hobbyist, or it's for a personal site, go WP. If you have clients and do this professionally, Elementor is far superior.
I already have 48 posts I made with Astrapro and Elementor Pro. Now I am trying to add Ezoic and they are suggesting that I remove these to improve speed, but to change over 48 posts seems like a heck of a lot of work. Will it help my site speed if I change say half of those? And then use Gutenberg going forward? If I deactivate them, does that mean I cannot edit anymore, the ones that are made with Elementor Pro and Astro Pro? This is very confusing. I wish I had known about the speed issue before I listened to the recommendations for Astra pro an Elementor pro
I like very simple templates. For the longest time I have used Colinear template because it can be arranged many different ways. Now as I'm getting more familiar with how the full site editing works in Wordpress, I'm building a whole new website template using nothing but blocks in the Blank Canvas template. I have a lot to learn still, but there’s a good chance I'm probably going to wipe my current website out and start with a template I customized myself. It's kind of amazing what kind of template you can achieve with the basic blocks, and no plugins.
I don’t know why I didn’t see any of the problems with Elementor before I built my website with it and 48 posts! Now I am trying to add Ezoic and seeing how it slows things down. Can you tell me: if I very slowly work on one post at a time, converting to Gutenberg, but leave the pages as they are, will this improve my site speed with Ezoic ? Ezoic doesn’t tell you up front that this will be a problem and while I was researching pagebuilders trying to figure out how to do this on my own, I never heard one bad comment mentioned about Elementor. I also have Astra which is supposedly an additional “problem.”
Hey David, thanks for the very detailed comparison. I've been testing out Gutenberg and wondering if there's a way reduce or elimate spacing between some blocks?
I don't think so. There are blocks to separate and increase space but not the other way around. You can always thrown in some custom CSS.
That's what I had to do on Website Creative Pro in order to make the blog posts less wide on desktop.
Thank you for this! I was trying to decide if it was worth learning about Elementor since I already know Gutenberg. I'm not creating websites all the time, so there's no need for me to dive into that. You just saved me some time!
Well said. Designers and agencies get a lot of value out of Elementor.
Thank you, I'm new to WP (signed up yesterday) and thought elementor was standard. Very frustrating hours. Needed to hear these points
me too
Did you rly compared trial version of plugin 2 full version of plugin?
very very great beneficial video, great thanks to you David
Now, I know the difference between both and what works the best for me.
Thank you for your great effort
Keep Going.
Exactly!
You really speak about things you do not know!
Thanks, you provided an answer to my confusion. But in case we need it , can we add multiple plugins say elementor and siteorigin etc along with gutenberg?
No, it's Elementor or Gutenberg, you have to pick one.
@@DavidUtke thanks for ur kind reply
@@DavidUtke I don't understand your statement about having to pick one or another. If you use Elementor on some pages you can still make other pages with Gutenberg. What am I missing. Please elaborate. thanks
1:06 that transition is cool
elementor when i edit it gets slower the more you put design or plugins
Thanks, David.
I appreciate your take. subscribed bro
Happy to help out.
So looking at 5.9 features and it all comes down to speed. Should I toss Elementor?. Please review
My main issue with Elementor is exactly that. It's a framework on top of a framework (WordPress block system).
I don’t like elementor I’m more page builder fully with acf and I use Gutenberg for blog post but I just cannot get into elementor even if you can extend the elementor widget
thanks
For us professional IT people in smaller shops, Elementor is perfect. I maintain about 10-20 campaign sites at my small/medium non profit and it makes things much easier. Simple to teach to our non-technical comms team without having to pay for that squarespace premium. Only $250 or so for a year for 25 sites. The kits and design fragments they have make getting a site up quick!
Appreciate the feedback, love hearing a different perspective. Majority of my audience are beginners looking to focus more on content marketing than the nitty gritty of design work.
THANK YOU!!! I was getting frustrated with ELementor and reset my website and now no more Elementor for now at least!
Some people love Elementor others can't stand it. It's a great page builder but not for everyone.
Commenting as I watch this vid. Under Limitations, one of your big digs on Elemetor Free is you cant edit headers and footers by default but there are workarounds and you can in the pro version. But if I understand it correctly you cant edit headers and footers in Gutenberg at all.....period. That would be advantage Elementor there wouldnt it?
Good point. I can use Astra or Blocksy and edit the header and footer and use Gutenberg or elementor. I should have been more clear that I was thinking of the hello theme when I said that.
Header and footer builder for elementor plugin is so good for this.
That's weird. I use Gutenberg and can edit headers and footers. Maybe things have changed since your comment. 🤷🏻
for gutenberg do you suggest astra or kadence?
Great questions. It depends on which you personally like more to be honest as both are just tools. Personally I like Astra more. Try both out and see which one you like.
Do you have a link for Stackable Plugin? Such a helpful tip!
Just search for it. I will be coming out with a tutorial video on creating a website with Stackable soon. In about 5 or 6 videos.
I am a novice. I tried building my page with elementor and kept hitting a wall. the last on was, you guessed it, the blog page. I Searhed for Elementor Vs Gutenberg and your video was at the top of the page. needless to say, I am going to go with Gutenberg. Thank you for your help. I hit the like button and subscribed.
Elementor is a good framework but it's not for everyone (myself included). Glad you found the video helpful.
I am too a novice doing the course on Udemy and that makes me wonder if I should toss Elementor and crocoblock because page load is sloooow
Nice
I built an entire website with many different looking pages using just one page in Elementor with dynamic conditions to show or hide sections and data coming from a custom post type with custom fields. The entire site is one page on the backend and other than a small amount of css to style things up, no code was required. Show a video doing that with Gutenberg.
Sounds cool, so your site works a bit like Carrd dot co then?
@@DavidUtke LOl!
Nice post
Thanks
Of course you do. Can Gutenberg design a theme template? Can Gutenberg design an archive page?
You actually can do all of this with Crocoblock
Yeah. I was feeling it on the speed when I had Elementor activated on my site. I just got rid of it and I'm feeling much better now.
Good vid, my man. Keep on keeping on. 👊🏾🙂
Glad to hear. Elementor is good but it's not for everyone.
ur right, pop-ups are a pain in the ass of user experience
They work, just make sure to not use them on blog posts that rank and get traffic.
I agree with the cons of Elementor
Your clarity is admirable 💁✨🪷
You live in Taipei right?
Vietnam, previously Bangkok then Bali.
@@DavidUtke oh I see. I’ve been in Vietnam. It’s a very nice place.
There in Taiwan is good too. I suggest you to come check it out. Very safe here
I’ve been to Taiwan and mainland China actually. I travel quite regularly. I really want to check out Mongolia actually.
@@DavidUtke I haven’t been there but I thing Mongolia is very interesting.
Finally i fiound someone who is not pushing affiliates links :) thank you so much. What do you think about Kadence theme with gutenberg?
Your review is extremely biased and leaves out a ton of important information, such as using other FREE plugins that go hand-in-hand with elementor. There's a reason why out of 3,500 reviews, Gutenberg has 2 stars. It's trash. Elementor is much easier to use and allows for much more customization - all you have to do is watch a quick CZcams tutorial.
Don't listen to this guy, do your own research.
I am struggling with my new website bcos of the Elementor limitations. No footer and header, no way to design blog page etc.
@@ayojoy1443 Lol
Pro Elements is the solution for a lot of your elementor criticisms
💛 your honesty David. Might as well use CSS Hero if you want all the features of Elementor Pro, but don't want to pay $50 for it. CSS Hero is half that.
Pop ups work well if the visitor scrolls all the way to the end of a longer one pager site. It’s a nice animation for someone who is looking for more info on your site . Never , ever, top load a pop up. It is obnoxious.
Yes, unless you're running an ecommerce site and it's super clear what your site is about and you're offering a coupon code.
For blog posts I use exit intent popups or popups showing the top offer if the user is on a buying guide.
what i think all page builders fail .... they missing the CLIENT .... no one of the builders have a clean panel for clients and custome editor elements whitout a plugin .... for example something simple like disable some WP buttons like ADD NEW PAGE.... they should work on that, hope to see a revolutionary way to design websites with wp or any page builder
I like Oxygen builder with Gutenberg
Just out of curiosity, how come you keep deleting my comment? I don't believe I was rude or anything.
Maybe it's getting marked as spam? I did not delete anything. I want comments on this video.
Pricing seems to be a strange argument against Elementor considering it's just $49 per year.
Will you pay the $49 for me? I will appreciate this. I have a website that I used Elementor free version and I have been struggling with it. I have not been able to complete editing till date.
Not sure on your impartiality
You have a load of videos for how to use Gutenberg. Hence you have a vested interest in not recommending page builders.
Also, if someone wants to really control speed and design, why not spend the time learning CSS inside out? It's free, fairly easy, and will be supported for much longer than any theme or plugin
I'm quite skilled at CSS and HTML. I make content for non-technical people who just want to create something effective. Elementor is good for the right person or agency. But in general I'm just not a fan of a framework on top of a framework.
@@DavidUtke I'm putting together a complex build and there's a load of learning before golive.
I'm on same page regarding avoiding bloat.
Using Gutenberg straight out of the box is fine with me as I don't want to create a load of technical or design debt in the future.
Elementor may be fast initially but I foresee a whole world of pain when I want advanced functionality and could get too reliant on the premium plugin. Yuck
Meanwhile, Oxygen laughs at both their limitations.
Ha, great comment :)
Still haven't figured out how to add parallax whatsoever
@@benreed2166 In Oxygen?
I think you're wildly overcomplicating the learning curve of elementor lol
I wish you actually went through the differences on screen
I have the exact experience with Elementor(free). I can't edit footer and header. I have this website for over a month but I am still struggling with the different pages. A long steep learning curve.
Price doubled since this video uploaded. F elementor
Yepppppp.
So many things in this are just patently false. I'm looking for real reviews and comparisons between the two, but anyone with even beginner knowledge of these two options should be able to tell that this is not a fair review.
“Exit intent” pop ups are like someone blocking the door as you are about to exit.
It’s rude and annoying in real life, as it is online. Just don’t do it.
Depends. I've tested it out on specific affiliate posts and it really works. But I get what you mean and agree with you overall. Do it tactfully, not in an annoying way on every single page or post.
No.
This is extremely inaccurate and misleading. The WordPress block editor simply cannot compete with Elementor for advanced projects unless you' re talking about very simple informational blog or brochure websites. The Hello theme is simply a blank canvas. It doesn't limit you like you say. Instead you can custom-build your own theme from scratch, which you cannot do without Elementor. The only way the WordPress builder can compete with Elementor is with the GeneratePress theme together with Generate Blocks which are becoming a very interesting alternative. But I don' t think they're there yet.
Gutenberg is trash, are you f'ing serious? Show us the Gutenberg sites you sold to clients!?
Take a breath between sentences, it helps with intonation.
I do, I just cut it out in post. Thanks for the feedback.
Bro you're absolutely saying right elementor is a shit if anyone wants to developed a fast loading website.