Tories are ‘completely deranged’ to think moving to the right is a vote winner
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- “The idea that swimming even further to the right would be a vote winner is completely deranged and I think most people would agree with that.”
The Conservatives need to reclaim the centre ground to have a chance of returning to government, agree Anthony Seldon and Flic Everett.
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It’s over. The Conservative Party, arguably one of the most successful political parties in the world, is about to disappear, hopefully forever. 🎉🎉
Be careful what you wish for, if it dies it's because it's too left-wing. Any replacement will hopefully be a proper right wing party.
They so good at winning elections that Labour are responsible for everything.
Go woke, go broke.
That’s what was said about the Labour Party in 2019
You might be right
If the Tories move any further to the right, they'll be mostly appealing to people who ain't going to be voting for Rishi Sunak - and that won't be because of his policies
They are woke progressives and there is zero Conservatism in the party today.
You are having a laugh 😂😂😂 tories are so far left they make Labour blush 😂😂😂😂
I’m not sure it’s quite that simple. There are a lot of people who are nationalists on cultural grounds rather than racial grounds.
The kind of hard-right conservatives who are arguably bigoted against Muslims, but really admire Suella Braverman.
Their shirts are brown, their policies stink! 💩
@@user-wj7cv9hb5j explain your point. They're currently trying to deport immigrants to Rwanda. Sounds right wing enough, what do you want? For them to publicly flog people on the street?
Deranged??? ... I think you're being kind. ... I'm sticking with Incompetent, work avoiding, self-serving and scandalmongering. ... any better bidders
People how they think - delivers the same.. If they think good - delivers good.. If they think of negative - delivers negative… Now a days - negative people are more like this commentary..
Corruption comes to mind
The Tory Mp is deluded 😂😂😂😂
no....totally deluged !!!!
Not "The" but All Tory MP'S are delusional 🤪
Why would any sane person give any credibility to Suella Raverwoman?
Insane people are the only ones that do listen to her.
The Tories are 'completely deranged' indeed. They're good at Kleptomania though.
and mythomania
Picking on sick and disabled. Is far right.
They are picking on the genuinely work shy, no one else, and what is wrong with that?
@@reggiesmith3866 If they want to pick on people who don't do any work, they should look in the mirror first
@reggiesmith3866 are you seriously that nieve
@@reggiesmith3866And who are the arbiters of the " genuinely workshy?"
well said
The Tories also need to accept its *not* Sunak. It’s all of them. 14 years in power, and everything is objectively worse. Workers are poorer due to wage stagnation not keeping up with inflation. Schools have been underfunded to the point there’s kids who never stood a chance. The NHS is on its knees due to ideology driven chronic under funding. Though I voted Remain, I’m not so much upset that Brexit went ahead in the end. I am upset the architects of it have done so in seemingly the most incompetent way possible. And all they’ve done is allow the headbangers and swivel eyed, detached from reality nutters in their party call the shots.
Everything they’ve touched, they’ve broken. Sometimes through malice, sometimes through incompetence. And in the case of Johnson and Truss? Malicious incompetence.
We’re had enough. They’ve had power for far too long, and we need a change.
The uniparty torrie/wig.
@@3-DtimeCosmology the uniparty Cons/Labour
Open border fools & neurotic wokeness, metro focused corruption/greed enablers, institutional bloat & complexity parasites… are among the most detrimental.
You almost have to admire the seamless way The Times can pivot from "Susan Hall is probably going to win! It looks terrible for Khan" to "It's probably going to be a hung parliament! It looks terrible for Labour".
"You almost have to admire the seamless way The Times can pivot from "Susan Hall is probably going to win! It looks terrible for Khan" to "It's probably going to be a hung parliament! It looks terrible for Labour".
Yes, "A different bias" pointed out that commentators have degrees in humanities and have zero understanding of statistics. Yet they pontificate on statistics like they understand it.
Hence the meme that went round about Susan Hall winning, with zero basis in facts. And the commentators ended up looking daft. Whereas anyone who did understand the polls and statistical methods could see that the meme was nonsense.
You say "seamless" and I hear "shameless".
Where was this said by The Times? I can't find it. When you say "The Times can pivot from "Susan Hall is probably going to win!"", are you referring to when a guest politics professor said "It’s possible that Susan Hall could run close. And it’s even possible she would win."? Or possibly another video where they say "it would be pretty remarkable and in fact so remarkable that I would put quite a lot of money on it not happening"?
@@Woodzta They didn't say she was going to win. They were headline baiting but have repeatedly, explicitly rejected that likelihood in every other context. Simply put, this opening post is a falsehood. They wish to make The Times look bad since that section of the media doesn't specifically represent their narrative. It's very much a "with us or against us" mindset.
I'm starting to think the tories actually believe what they're saying
Did no one correct Suella that there is a cap on illegal immigration. It's capped at zero. That's what illegal means.
And that's the best the Tories have to offer.
Sunak is completely deluded, typical of his private school education and life of privilege and never seeing the consequences of his mismanagement
Never interrupt your enemy... 😊
Agreed.
Could have ended the title after "deranged"
It would be also true but I think the title, as it is, conveys a very important message.
Upon what doorstep is Maria Caulfield standing? She has not been anywhere near mine, and she is my MP. Won't answer my emails, either.
Sunak thinks there will be a hung parliament......desparately clutching at straws 😂. It's absolute cobblers , the hung Parliament is based on the Tories gaining 26%.......In 1997, the Tories lost heavily on 30.7% of the vote, gaining only 169 MP'S.
They're only projecting that on the local election results, in which only some of the UK's constituencies got to vote. So, no, it's not a remotely accurate prediction based on that limited data set
The only way that the Tories could possibly stand any chance at all in the general election is if Reform decide to withdraw all their election candidates from Conservative held constituencies, the same way that the Brexit Party did in 2019. The theory being that since around 85% of Reform supporters voted Conservative in 2019, they will come back to the Tories if they can’t vote Reform.
I'm 27 and am never going to vote Conservative until they start doing something for young people. Build some houses, broadbrand infrastructure, support young people in the renting market, lower taxes on working people and not have every policy aimed at pleasing pensioners and you might get some votes from under 40's.
So factually speaking, you'll never vote for the Tory's then (well, maybe not until you are a pensioner, but heck they're even beginning to lose that constituency at the moment).
None of that will make their donors and lobbyists happy though. So you will never have to vote tory!
The Tories do not have your interest at heart. They promised everything delivered nothing. Give Labour a chance.
My question is after all that has gone before in the last 14 years and especially since the Brexit why would you even consider voting for such a obscenity?
I don't think any party will provide you what you want! I can still remember the 70's when if you think today is bad just think of interest rates of 17%
Tories are ‘completely deranged’ thats not exactly news, i knew that when boris got the pm job
What's the urban definition of insanity again? Making the same mistake again and again, yet expecting better results each time. Culture wars, my dear Tories, do not pay the gas bills. ;)
Blackpool South had a swing of more than 26%. Thats an awful lot of people who "chose to stay at home".
Blackpool South General Election 2019:
Scott Benton (Conservative) 16,247 votes
Gordon Marsden (Labour) 12,557
Blackpool South By-election 2024:
Christopher Webb (Labour) 10,825 votes
David Jones (Conservative) 3,218 votes
The Tory Party has a high low opinion of the electorate. It is up to the electorate to prove the Tory Party wrong.
The Tory parliamentary party considers the electorate to be their '"little playthings".
Tories out.
Next question, why did they stay at home.
I stayed at home because the Conservative Party is no longer right wing.
@@LewisSkeeterplease keep it up
The most ridiculous thing ive seen today was suella braverman saying after losing badly 2 years in a row with cruel politics lets have even more and even nastier instead of problem solving or helping a struggling public no no lets go fascist.
fascist is left wing lol - Mussolini the hard left guy who spent all his career before following fascism wrote for the Avanti, the hard left Italian newspaper lol. It does not pay to be ignorant. "everything inside the state, nothing outside the state" literally is a left wing thing
@@James_36 You should follow your own advice 'It does not pay to be ignorant'. Learn some actual history instead of regurgitating some far right BS you've read on the internet. You're just embarrassing yourself.
@@StrangeTapes state ownership is left wing lol.. you are rather simple
There could be a hung parliament?
There could be a asteroid hit direct in Westminster?
There could be a turn around in Brexit Empire fortunes? Well maybe not that last one is a bit far fetched?
Indeed, the last one... and the second last one... and the first one
Institute of Export and International Trade have said some industry experts have highlighted the positive impact that could be had overall for UK business with the BTOM (border controls) giving a level playing field for UK exporters. Still you'll not want to know that, just stick with what the BBC/Guardian and Labour tell you.
@@heathercooper6043 ' some ' industry experts?
Some people think the earth is flat ?
Some brexiters, king of Brexit Nigel Farage described Brexit as a failure, the king is on video saying Brexit failure. Some say !
Many of us would be happy with option 2... Preferably when they are all there !
My God! Are these the best pundits you can attract!
Flick just spoke for all of us. We are SICK of hearing the whole discussion in terms of what works for the Tories politically and ALL NOTIONS of what the country NEEDS and what SERVICE they could render. Lurching right would be a final act of self harm. It’s the Cruella Braverman root that has destroyed them in the FIRST PLACE!
No chit!!! Being reckless and un-conservative has broken Britain. Carry on Even More Deluded is just ridiculous.
They have been deranged since 2016
Some would say that they have ALL been deranged since BEFORE Thatcher !
Hung parliment are they deluded or what YouGov had them on 18%, and the later they leave it the more of their voters move on to the great gig in the sky
I think I'd listen to prof John curtace over thrasher who said if he has a quid everytime a party said they lost because voters stayed home, he wouldnt need to do analysis. Says it all really.
thrasher by name, pisher by nature
Agree what kind of political analysis ignores how the Scots will vote especially when the SNP are in disarray making Labour the fallback.
Run out of road? You mean those that we used to have before they became patches between potholes.
I find it funny they think they lost due to their voters not coming out, Its gonna get worse for a GE as its the same for labour, young voters who are voting Labour and more progressive parties also didn't come out for the local elections. I know this being the father of a 20 year old in university. Her and her friends didn't vote for local elections but will be at the GE. They all recently applied to vote and are eagerly awaiting the next GE.
The young and full time employed didn't vote in the locals. They will vote in the GE and most of those below 40 feeling the worst of an adult life of austerity won't be voting tory. The chickens are coming home to roost.
They should go full right wing and let the public decide.
They did and we have. Bye!
The problem with the Tory party was not "swimming even further to the right" but overpromising and massively underdelivering. If you are say you are going to tackle contentious issues like Brexit and immigration (and thereby get the left and globalists all hot and bothered) you'd better do it. If you don't you end up alienating both ends of the spectrum. The Tories will lose because their vote either won't come out or will lodge a protest vote with Reform.
It's both. The Tories are incompetent but there are nowhere near enough radical right extremists in this country to make policies like the Rwanda scheme and the Kami-Kwasi budget viable, regardless of execution.
Tories resorting to their usual tactic - gaslighting 😂
Ironic coz last time hung parliament benefitted the Tories the most !
The arrogance & delusion of Caulfield to even think all those who voted for them in 2019 would vote for them again is nonsense 😂 isn't it funny that Labour got there's out. Even for a by-election this close to a GE.
It is difficult to have a vision for Labour by ignoring the white elephant in threroom.
Excellent discussion. Glad The Times is at last finding it difficult to defend the indefensible - the Tories' failure has been entirely self-created - and is getting sensible people, rather than the potties, on to comment.
Pathetic political manoeuvring.
Just call the election and iss off to America.
Is it just me or is times radio totally unhinged
Yeah thats right ,they have no beleifs except getting more money
I hope the West Midlands mayoral election is used as an example for politics in the future. I am relatively far left but commend how civil Andy street and Richard parker were. Politics shouldn't be "which group is destroying society" and should be a group of people who understand everyone is part of the same country and is discussing how best to run it
So far removed from the life struggle out on the street, don't worry, won't be long a lot of you will be out on the street get your cardboard box ready
Abolsutely deranged at this point. They're just squatting in No. 10.
Simply moving to the position of conserving things would be a nice change of pace!!
This is an excellent video, two people who understand both history and the benefit of a "centre party".
Sunaks inlaws are pretty decent people. They will hate the Rwanda policy and the attack on the sick 😫. It's just cruelty.
Sunak suggesting there may be a hung parliament is just as likely to motivate apathetic Labour voters as apathetic Tory Voters, so I don't think it’s a smart thing to say at all.
I really don't understand this shifting to the extreme right or left of a political party.
Any extreme is always a minority. The majority of the voters are always in the centre.
By shifting to the extreme you're alienating your centre base, again where the majority are.
So how does shifting to an extreme help? Didn't help labour, how would it help tory?
the centre? what is the centre? everything likes to think they are centrist but in reality they are not. do you honestly think the nation wants mass migration for example? I want to see a referendum on that and I bet it is easily 80/20 in favour of no more mass migration into the country... that means most the nation is right wing, yet the elites are left wing
Bye, bye, Rishi Sunak and please... close the door on the way out!
If the Torys want my vote they could try serving young people? Like...at all?
I suggest that these journalists should speak more to ordinary people rather than themselves.
they are part of the elite in their minds, you don't think they want to associate with normies do you lol...
Bringing out the old classic ‘coalition of chaos’ line is not smart politics. It’s desperate scaremongering from a loser politician who’s out of ideas
For the last decade, the Tory solution to just about every problem has been 'what if we move even further to the right?'. Admitting that it was a mistake at this point would alienate the right-wing, elderly base that still votes Tory. It would also invite foaming fury among the headbangers who are much of the party itself. It's the Sunk Cost Fallacy in action.
Absolutely.
But I do think it's called the Sunak Cost Fallacy!
what is right wing? what does "moving further to the right" mean considering this tory party is following left wing new labour values
@@James_36 Which is why many of all ages have ditched them.. You're wasting your time with these people they just repeat BBC/Guardian/Independent
What Blair era laws have they repealed?
David Cameron has had his title stripped.
To mister Oink Oink LoL😅...
@@jsd8981 He is no longer a Sir.
He's had to drop the title so he can replace sunak and try to save the conservative party.
@@willswyfte7216 He performs lobotomies on a regular basis. And you guessed it: he's not a doctor either.
@@willswyfte7216 maybe in his deluded nightmares
The historian and teacher needs to get out of the London/Oxbridge utopia and spend more time riding to hounds with Lee Anderson.
Sunak is like a skid mark on the underwear of British political society.
Starmer would be the absolute worst PM in British history.
I don't know... There is a rather long list of candidates for that honour ?
How reassuring to hear normal people?
Normal people facilitate atrocity.
I wont be staying at home but i wont be voting tory reform for me the Tories have let me down big time there's no second chances in my book
I DO NOT CONSENT 😠
A hung parliaments is about as likely as Sunak being 6 foot tall. He's either deluded or a liar or both.
" For instance you know" ??
The Tory fortunes will follow Brexit in the long run....down the pan as more and more people work out how much poorer they are because of it.
How do you know if your voters stayed at home? Maybe most of them switched to Labour and Labour voters stayed at home? The thing is you can’t tell and it’s bound to be a mixture of all combinations.
The Labour vote was down. They won seats this time with fewer votes than they lost last time. So some element of the Labour coalition is staying away; probably Corbyn supporters and Muslims. I think the simplest explanation for the Conservative collapse is Johnson era Conservative voters staying home. Is it possible that Johnson Conservatives are now voting for Starmer, but they’re being more than offset by disillusioned Blairites staying home? Unlikely, because, in that case, you’d see a different distribution of seats won and lost.
@@georgesdelatour
Very complicated reasoning from a set of elections where low turnout is to be expected and is usually dictated by the weather as much as anything else.
Where I was, turnout was no different to the last decade - no evidence anyone stayed at home - the Tories have lost significant vote share over the last 3 years, but those votes are still being cast, just for different parties.
This was a very tactical election. Which meant instead of tories just about clinging on to seats because of a divided opposition vote - the got wiped out.
I believe there were a couple reform candidates standing but they played no meaningful role in the Tory disaster.
@@marktrotter8971
West Midlands 2021 Mayoral Election:
Andy Street (Conservative) 299,318 votes
Liam Byrne (Labour) 244,009 votes
West Midlands 2024 Mayoral Election:
Richard Parker (Labour) 225,590 votes
Andy Street (Conservative) 224,082 votes
Blackpool South General Election 2019:
Scott Benton (Conservative) 16,247 votes
Gordon Marsden (Labour) 12,557
Blackpool South By-election 2024:
Christopher Webb (Labour) 10,825 votes
David Jones (Conservative) 3,218 votes
I don't see any clear trend of 2019 Conservative voters moving to Labour. They're staying at home. They're saying to the Conservatives, "I prefer to be ruled by my enemies rather than by you".
West Midlands 2021 Mayoral Election:
Andy Street (Conservative) 299,318 votes
Liam Byrne (Labour) 244,009 votes
West Midlands 2024 Mayoral Election:
Richard Parker (Labour) 225,590 votes
Andy Street (Conservative) 224,082 votes
Blackpool South General Election 2019:
Scott Benton (Conservative) 16,247 votes
Gordon Marsden (Labour) 12,557
Blackpool South By-election 2024:
Christopher Webb (Labour) 10,825 votes
David Jones (Conservative) 3,218 votes
The torys are going to go mad chasing they've own tails, and its fun watching them do it..on course to have a hung parliament, dont think so i wouldent believe anything sunak says, sunak has to say that because thats all hee's got left, he has nothing left, and he hates losing and this is goi g to grind on his bones for years to come no matter where he is no matter what he is doing ..
and what do you think labour will achieve precisely?
Clutching at straws - ha ha ha ha ha - call a general election and we will see.....
Congratulations Mayor Khan 👏 🙌
Maria Caulfield: "... On the doorstep." I'm one of her constituents and I've never seen her anywhere around my doorstep in the last 15 years.
Amanda Abbington is a Saint. She is divorced from Martin Freeman and is also not looking.
Your understanding of what it takes to be a saint seems a little weak to me.
@@kalebdaark100 It's not a 'what it takes' thing. Who do you work for?
Is it the Vatican?
@@CatherineElizabethCharlesworth Well actually, it really is.
Bit late for all that.
If we had a properly democratic system most of our governments would be coalitions and we would avoid the smug incompetence we suffer from at the moment. Get rid of FPTP and you get rid of the illogicality of tactical voting, and you ensure that every political tendency is heard. After the events of 2015-2024 we should never again hear the old argument that 'we need strong government'.
Yesterdays people with yesterdays views
On the buses! That’s her isn’t… Arrrfffffur!!😂😂😂
Tories are Toast 😂😂😮😮😅😅
Thats a shock, didnt expect to see my ex headmaster when i opened this video
Labour is the largest party in local councils in England & won every Mayor election, but 1. Labour is polling 1st in Scotland & Wales, too. The UK is tired of the Conservative Party. Labour offers public ownership of rail, cheaper energy bills with a UK energy company & a Real Living Wage. It's time to invest in Britain.
Nor does Labour
And THE WOKE don't get me started!
I wouldn't mind a coalition government, as long as the Tories aren't in it.
Another utterly delusional tory.
"Maybe tired political scene?!" Is that a joke?!
Very poor from Selfom
Most hated political party in the world.
It is hilarious to me how people here fail to realise how far left the UK conservative party actually is.
The vaal got boris' delusional syndrome 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Perhaps how well Labour does in Scotland will determine whether they get a majority.
We’ve not had a proper conservative government since Cameron left. May was a socialist, Sunak is a big state, high tax, hi regulation fiscal Brownite, and BoJo was a centrist who made it up as he went along. The exact reason the Tories are a hot mess now is because they’re trying to be a social progressive party rather than a right wing Conservative party 🤷♂️
A Hung Parliament! someone is having a laugh!!!! 🤣 🗳
Party first.... country & its people last ..... out of steam , out of ideas ,out of time , now just want them out
That “ research” by Thrasher is utter b/s . Why allow himself to be used like this …..Let me think?
Boris Johnson instead of Rory Stewart, the beginning of the Tory end.
tories go to the right and stop the boats
The Tory party is full full of it !
That's what the historian was hesitant to say LOL
The problem for the tory party is..
They are blaires new labour.
call an election now for goodness sake ........
Tories gets in, we're doomed!
Labour gets in, we're doomed!
The political plates are moving, the earth is shifting, rocks are falling. and gravity is doing its bit. At the foot of the mountain little rishi screams this is not going to be a landslide!
Another deluded Tory Minister. Where do they find these very poor excuses for politicians? There seems to me no talent whatever left in the Tory party.