This is even more heartbreaking when you learn Elizabeth is Booker’s daughter. She isn’t some girl he ended up getting attached to anymore, that’s his daughter and he’s been subjected to watching her suffer time and time again. Can’t imagine how that must feel.
The reason why they held back was because of the prophecy of Comstocks, "The seed of the prophet, shall sit the throne and drown in flames in mountains of man" basically once Eizabeth had taken the thrown only then would they attack. The reason she hadn't attacked until now was because she was waiting for Booker to save her. As she says "Time rots everything,even hope". once she had given up that's when she followed Comstocks prophecy.
@Josh Edrick All true. But even with that. Rdar was invented by WW2. Columbia was likely located by this point. I f not radar the satelite. The US goverment would see this coming miles away and likely wreck the city before the reached New York. Canada woulf probably help too. Unless... that timeline has either Jack turn evil at the end ofi Bioshock 1 oe Eleanor at the end of Bioshock 2, leading Raptue to attack the surface, Seriously where could US Armed Forces be xD?
@imaracisthomophobic bigotsnowflakebitchfckmylife I know but a lot was from tears caused by Elizabeth, that allowed Fink to observe more advanced timelines and even cooperate with Suchong in Rapture. They probably could make Stealth planes, perhaps Airships too but I doubt you could make a huge ass city be Radar proof.
Don't worry, man, I get what you're saying. If there are infinite universes, then that would mean there are infinite times that Booker took the baptism and became the bad guy, so it was kind of futile for Elizabeth to kill this one particular Booker. Still, like you said earlier, despite the logic problems when one thinks about it, it's still a great game with an emotionally memorable and moving (if not airtight) ending.
WastedPo they both said they needed to "smother the bastard in his crib" That's when Elizabeth said she knew all the doors and what lies behind them, she knew who he was, he didn't. Because he's the Booker that said no to baptism
if she kill the booker before he went to the baptism that would eliminate all multiverses with comstock as it eradicates all chances that baptism every took place. However, there would still be bookers, as there'd be bookers who never took the path to ever consider the baptism. So those branches keep dividing while Comstock's are seared off.
Then again we have that consistency problem with Columbia being around in Burial at Sea ep 2. I deem it as canon fan service. As the main game was enough. Columbia remains a memory. Xd
Comstock was able to use the tears to hop in and out of different realities, that's how he was able to take Elizabeth in the first place. So even though he's dead in one reality, that doesn't mean he's no longer a threat to Booker and Elizabeth. Also, Booker wanted to redeem himself for selling his daughter over to Lutece and practically ruining her life, I'm sure any caring father would take back that decision if they had the chance.
This explains why its OK that Elizabeth disappeared in the end, because even if they chose to go to Paris, the world would end up as it is shown here by Elizabeth herself. It's best that she lives as Anna DeWitt, atleast she will lead a happier life this way, a much happier life.
So the tear in which Elizabeth is old is the original tear in which Dewitt and young Eli were just right before the Songbird. What changes is the fact that as Eli flies off with her guardian, she enters another world, possibly the original one at the beginning or something else entirely. I assume this as Dewitt does not enter any tear in that stage of the game. What elder Elizabeth then proposes is to save her before she can turn into what Comstock wants her to turn into, that is, the one who "shall drawn in flames the mountains of men". So she brings him back into another reality where Elizabeth is being exposed to this experiment to forbid her from opening new tears, as the voxophone of the surgeon reveals. Yet there is a time gap: if the tears from which you eavesdrop those conversations are from the tear which you enter after the scene with the elder version of Elizabeth, then a few months have passed since Songbird took her away. I hope this helps: perhaps it is not even 100% correct, I'll see if I agree with this version as I finish my second playthrough of this awesome game.
@R3d Dr3 yes she was the one to pull him to her universe and the one to send him back. That universe timeline is more advanced than the original, but no time jumping accured. Booker is confused because "the mind of the subject will create memories where none exist" so he thinks he was on his way to save his eli while really a different old eli pulled him away before he even started.
I haven't played Infinite in a long time so I don't remember well but I guess this is an alternate Elizabeth that Booker never saved. You can see Monument Island still intact.
You seemed too convinced that your Booker can only be the old Booker. So let me explain what you should have learned in the middle of the game. When one person crosses into another universe, they are morphed with the one that is already in that universe. That is why when Booker crosses into another universe while he is In Shanty Town he remembers burning down the Hall of Heroes with Slate and helping the Vox. (cont.)
Booker wanted to give Elizabeth a chance to grow up normally and live the life she was meant to have. If you actually sat through the credits you'll see an epilogue of Booker waking up at his desk with Elizabeth in her crib. Since Booker was killed off at the end he kept Comstock from ever existing in the first place, which means that Comstock no longer exists in any reality so he could never take Anna from Booker. Booker's baptism is what set all this shit in motion in the first place.
Yes, the plot itself. It is so excessively horrific that it ends up working to the extreme detriment of the book. Also, I consider O'Brien/Big Brother/the government itself to be the single most despicable fictional "character" of all time.
By the time Booker meets them, they have become quirky multidimensional beings as a result of Comstock's assassination of them. In the Voxophones they were still just a couple mortal scientists.
Simply put, different history. the 80's of our history and the bioshock universe version of the 80's just cant be compared. For all we know the world , with the exception of Columbia may have slowed its military progression before WW1. for all we know, the bioshock world may not have had any major wars and thus the U.S. military cant handle Columbias onslaught.
What are you talking about? This is not an aircraft battle, we’re talking about floating citadels you can’t shoot down since they use particles that ignore gravity. Columbia had quantum knowledge and rapture tech by 1912, and since they can steal tech from the future through tears who knows what they had achieve by 1984, you can’t even safely nuke them since you wouldn’t want nuclear fallout raining all over you.
remember Columbia had advance tech since 1912,. They were already decades ahead of the world. would be so far-fetched that Columbia's tech kept on progressing just as the world did trying to keep up
Elizabeth did say that "this isn't the same place" as if he was already in the reality, where he chose the baptism. But how can that already have been predetermined before the actual baptism? This would indicate, that the realities had to have been split before he got to the lake. So the "first cause" for Comstock would have happened before he even got to the lake. Oh wait.. this fact actually solves my paradox. Never mind, lol.
So maybe I'm late to the party here. Is there a logical story reason for Old Elizabeth to give you the piece of paper with a cage drawn on it rather than, say, indicating that they're notes to call Songbird? I realize it's to set up the "eureka" moment Elizabeth has when she realizes the cage refers to musical notes, but, if Old Elizabeth wanted Booker to succeed, why be as vague and nondescript as possible?
Whether Booker succeeds when he goes back in time wouldn't matter to the Old Elizabeth. She won't pop back to being a young lady in the "Present". An episode of Doctor Who called 'The Girl Who Waited' would handle more of the context behind the logic. If you've got the time the episode's worth checking out.
Dramatic impact and writing mainly. Though I think it’s also to keep up with the idea that Elizabeth is far more logical and intelligent than Booker is. She can decipher things easily, like Old Elizabeth said: “she’ll know how to read it.” Old Elizabeth could’ve easily told Booker how to stop Songbird with the notes C-A-G-E, but I think it was integral somewhat that Elizabeth figured it out herself.
Read my comments again: 1. The ending didn't make sense, because they are drowning the old Booker, which would NOT kill Comstock 2. Even if it magically did according to quantum mechanics the possibility of Comstock CANNOT be destroyed therefor there will be an infinite amount of possibilities, how Comestock could exist. Therefor you would be "saving" some finite amount of people vs an infinite amount. If that is not fruitless and in vain, then I don't know what is.
If you really think about it then the ending doesn't make sense and it's up to your imagination to fill in the gaps. Regardless it really got me emotionally and I loved the game.
You didn't seem to get my point. You CANNOT kill every Comstock, because there are an infinite amount of them. As there are an infinite amount of everything in the multiverse. Unless she literally meant that the Bioshock universe has about a million million words and not infinite. Also we have the grandfather paradox. If she ceases to exist in the end then who killed Booker?
Now to repeat myself ONCE AGAIN xD. They CLEARLY killed the old Booker. In the last scene you can hear his confusion, you can hear him talking to Elizabeth like he knows her. I mean come the fuck on that is the old Booker we are playing in that last scene and then he dies. If they wanted to kill the pre-baptized Booker, then they should have looked for him and killed him, but instead they kill THE PLAYER - OLD BOOKER. What part of this do you not understand for god sake man?
Also we do not know if Anna was in the crib or not at the end. Plus if they had gotten quantum mechanics and parallel universe right they would of understood, that they cannot destroy the possibility of someone existing no matter what. Unless again they made themselves their own version of the multiverse, where there are literally a "million million" worlds and not infinite (then what's with the title?).
Well shit. Finally someone gives an answer, which actually addresses my question. I wasn't trying to prove everyone wrong thinking that I was "right". I just got frustrated, because people were not addressing the specific issue I was talking about and just kept telling me the plot, which I already know, over and over again.
Do you not get it? They killed Booker while he was about to be baptized, therefore, every Booker afterwards (including every Comstock) because he couldn't be baptized because he was DEAD. There's no need to overthink this so just GET OVER IT because it's the ending and it's going to stay that way because every other game in the whole fucking world that played this game sure seemed to like it.
How did Columbia stood a chance against 1984 USA? With radars, supersonic jets, AA missiles...Yes, existence of columbia propably altered timeline somehow, but eighties New York we see dont show any reason why this tech shouldnt exist.
You're assuming that this is a reality where those things exist. The game makes a point of small things having unintended or major consequences - it's not a stretch to think the former.
Bioshock infinite could have easily been the best on the series imo but something about Columbia didn’t sit well for me rapture will always be the true roots of bishock although infinite was my favorite storyline but bioshock 2 will still be my favorite good story characters and even dlc was perfect
What in the world are you talking about? I have explained time and time again how the ending has some things, which make no sense. To this point everyone has been repeating the same thing, which I have refuted over and over again and no one has actually presented any rebuttal to what I have said. Just some new guy jumps in to say exactly the same stupid thing again.
Maybe your explanation about "morphing" is what the game-makers intended. But that still kind of illuminates the idea that the game has some internal inconsistencies. If a person is morphed into their alternate selves when they cross over, then why didn't Booker at the very beginning immediately morph into Comstock? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that maybe the game writers themselves overlooked that.
WastedPo because Comstock was born from Baptism, and Comstock was never at wounded knee. If anything, the Luteces tinkering didn't help continuity. As they fuck with the timeline, making it harder to keep track of everything
"There's no need to overthink this so just GET OVER IT" Hahahah... you say that and yet continue to argue with me on this matter. Also now I have proof that you don't even ready my comments because I clearly said that i still love this game, regardless of the weird non-nonsensical stuff. I take it as art, but that doesn't mean looking for inconsistencies and plot holes is not fun.
You keep telling people to, "read you earlier comments," when they obviously already have and have given proof to show why you are wrong and yet you completely ignore their evidence because you are convinced you're right. I mean seriously, what more do you want?
So you just wanted them to say: "Oh, we could save billions of lives or we could just be selfish and go to Paris, fuck it, let's go to Paris!" Gee, they definitely would look like heroes then....
Oh for the love of... why is it so hard for you people to understand what I am saying? If they wanted to kill off Comstock then they should have drowned the young Booker about to get baptized, but they CLEARLY kill the old Booker, who we are playing. What exactly does that accomplish? Unless the old Booker "merged" with the young one and got drowned and then merged AGAIN with the young booker at his house before the credits. In that case it is getting pretty ridiculous.
Haven't read the book myself, just looked into a summary for about 2 minutes after you mentioned it. What I meant was stuff like cencorship, and also the big brother thing, except what I mean not being on an extreme level. Anyways what did you think was horrifying about it then, just the plot itself?
Maybe, but why Columbia didnt simply attacked in 1912? We dont see ANY technological iprovement for which may Columbia wait for. Ok, this version of 80s might be worse in means of tech. But it is still better than 1912. Why wait?
Umm... how's that? After they kill Comstock they could have just gone to Paris. Comstock is dead and the child selling thing already happened. The tower is destroyed. Everything is fine. Who the hell cares if Comstock still lives in other realities. There are infinite amount of realities anyway. They should have just stopped there. So imo the end was just a senseless death. In any case they got the multiverse thing completely wrong so it doesn't matter.
This is even more heartbreaking when you learn Elizabeth is Booker’s daughter. She isn’t some girl he ended up getting attached to anymore, that’s his daughter and he’s been subjected to watching her suffer time and time again. Can’t imagine how that must feel.
Well, add on the suffering is also brought upon her by essentially himself...albeit a different variant. But shows what he is capable of.
And suffer by his own hand even. For a father, that must be it’s own form of torture.
"Songbird, he always stops you"
Best and scariest part. Seriously, this was like Bioshok 1 memory lane.
Anyone else notice the billboard in the background? The year is 1984.
+Oscar Dighton lmao you were supposed to
Big brother is watching you.
The reason why they held back was because of the prophecy of Comstocks, "The seed of the prophet, shall sit the throne and drown in flames in mountains of man" basically once Eizabeth had taken the thrown only then would they attack.
The reason she hadn't attacked until now was because she was waiting for Booker to save her. As she says "Time rots everything,even hope". once she had given up that's when she followed Comstocks prophecy.
2:29 Troy Baker appreciate moment. This one small line says it all. So much emotion in just one delivery of words
If that's new York in the 70's / 80's... Wouldn't America have Apache gunships? So Zeppelin's beat Apache gunships?
jx592 I suppose the ones from Columbia must've had some extra tech by that point
I find it hard to believe Columbia wouldn't advance and all.
@Josh Edrick All true. But even with that. Rdar was invented by WW2.
Columbia was likely located by this point. I f not radar the satelite. The US goverment would see this coming miles away and likely wreck the city before the reached New York. Canada woulf probably help too.
Unless... that timeline has either Jack turn evil at the end ofi Bioshock 1 oe Eleanor at the end of Bioshock 2, leading Raptue to attack the surface,
Seriously where could US Armed Forces be xD?
@imaracisthomophobic bigotsnowflakebitchfckmylife
I know but a lot was from tears caused by Elizabeth, that allowed Fink to observe more advanced timelines and even cooperate with Suchong in Rapture.
They probably could make Stealth planes, perhaps Airships too but I doubt you could make a huge ass city be Radar proof.
Yes.
George Orwell's "1984", the single most horrifying work of fiction ever created.
Wow this aged superbly
@@joekaz5198 What did I say?
Almost a decade later and my guy correct.
best part "time rots everything" could not agree more!!!!!!
Don't worry, man, I get what you're saying. If there are infinite universes, then that would mean there are infinite times that Booker took the baptism and became the bad guy, so it was kind of futile for Elizabeth to kill this one particular Booker.
Still, like you said earlier, despite the logic problems when one thinks about it, it's still a great game with an emotionally memorable and moving (if not airtight) ending.
WastedPo they both said they needed to "smother the bastard in his crib" That's when Elizabeth said she knew all the doors and what lies behind them, she knew who he was, he didn't. Because he's the Booker that said no to baptism
if she kill the booker before he went to the baptism that would eliminate all multiverses with comstock as it eradicates all chances that baptism every took place. However, there would still be bookers, as there'd be bookers who never took the path to ever consider the baptism. So those branches keep dividing while Comstock's are seared off.
@@boffgirl yessir. The possibility of Comstock ends if Booker isn't even presented with the opportunity be baptized.
Then again we have that consistency problem with Columbia being around in Burial at Sea ep 2. I deem it as canon fan service. As the main game was enough. Columbia remains a memory. Xd
Comstock was able to use the tears to hop in and out of different realities, that's how he was able to take Elizabeth in the first place. So even though he's dead in one reality, that doesn't mean he's no longer a threat to Booker and Elizabeth. Also, Booker wanted to redeem himself for selling his daughter over to Lutece and practically ruining her life, I'm sure any caring father would take back that decision if they had the chance.
This explains why its OK that Elizabeth disappeared in the end, because even if they chose to go to Paris, the world would end up as it is shown here by Elizabeth herself. It's best that she lives as Anna DeWitt, atleast she will lead a happier life this way, a much happier life.
1 question about this scene, so did booker go back in time to save elizabeth, or did he enter an alternate world and save a different one?
So the tear in which Elizabeth is old is the original tear in which Dewitt and young Eli were just right before the Songbird. What changes is the fact that as Eli flies off with her guardian, she enters another world, possibly the original one at the beginning or something else entirely. I assume this as Dewitt does not enter any tear in that stage of the game. What elder Elizabeth then proposes is to save her before she can turn into what Comstock wants her to turn into, that is, the one who "shall drawn in flames the mountains of men". So she brings him back into another reality where Elizabeth is being exposed to this experiment to forbid her from opening new tears, as the voxophone of the surgeon reveals. Yet there is a time gap: if the tears from which you eavesdrop those conversations are from the tear which you enter after the scene with the elder version of Elizabeth, then a few months have passed since Songbird took her away. I hope this helps: perhaps it is not even 100% correct, I'll see if I agree with this version as I finish my second playthrough of this awesome game.
Why the fuck did you choose that as your name!?
@R3d Dr3 yes she was the one to pull him to her universe and the one to send him back. That universe timeline is more advanced than the original, but no time jumping accured. Booker is confused because "the mind of the subject will create memories where none exist" so he thinks he was on his way to save his eli while really a different old eli pulled him away before he even started.
I haven't played Infinite in a long time so I don't remember well but I guess this is an alternate Elizabeth that Booker never saved.
You can see Monument Island still intact.
This was the first and only time I felt heartbreak in a video game
You seemed too convinced that your Booker can only be the old Booker.
So let me explain what you should have learned in the middle of the game. When one person crosses into another universe, they are morphed with the one that is already in that universe. That is why when Booker crosses into another universe while he is In Shanty Town he remembers burning down the Hall of Heroes with Slate and helping the Vox. (cont.)
the 1st bioshock ending with the girls at the bedside made me cry
and so did bioshock infinite with this scene and the ending
Booker wanted to give Elizabeth a chance to grow up normally and live the life she was meant to have. If you actually sat through the credits you'll see an epilogue of Booker waking up at his desk with Elizabeth in her crib. Since Booker was killed off at the end he kept Comstock from ever existing in the first place, which means that Comstock no longer exists in any reality so he could never take Anna from Booker. Booker's baptism is what set all this shit in motion in the first place.
You could tell that Booker had some sort of relation to Comstock because he had the dream and even told Elizabeth about it.
He is Comstock......
Darrick King Comstock is a version of Booker that accepted the baptism from early on.
Yes, the plot itself. It is so excessively horrific that it ends up working to the extreme detriment of the book. Also, I consider O'Brien/Big Brother/the government itself to be the single most despicable fictional "character" of all time.
What if this is the trailer Elizabeth where how we see Booker die what if she is the one that has grown old and seen him fail multiple times?
I don't get why the Luteces speak in riddles with Booker but in the voxophones they speak normally with people like the elizabeth of this reality
By the time Booker meets them, they have become quirky multidimensional beings as a result of Comstock's assassination of them. In the Voxophones they were still just a couple mortal scientists.
It’s intense to see and hear all the stuff from Elizabeth.
Simply put, different history. the 80's of our history and the bioshock universe version of the 80's just cant be compared. For all we know the world , with the exception of Columbia may have slowed its military progression before WW1. for all we know, the bioshock world may not have had any major wars and thus the U.S. military cant handle Columbias onslaught.
I regret letting this game sit in my library for 3 years untouched
By 1984, the US military had the Tomcat, Eagle, Viper, and Hornet; just a handful of those things would swat Columbia out of the sky.
What are you talking about? This is not an aircraft battle, we’re talking about floating citadels you can’t shoot down since they use particles that ignore gravity. Columbia had quantum knowledge and rapture tech by 1912, and since they can steal tech from the future through tears who knows what they had achieve by 1984, you can’t even safely nuke them since you wouldn’t want nuclear fallout raining all over you.
i have a feeling that Columbia spent the decades developing countermeasures to those. Yes, we have jets. They have *portals*.
remember Columbia had advance tech since 1912,. They were already decades ahead of the world. would be so far-fetched that Columbia's tech kept on progressing just as the world did trying to keep up
only time we see Elizabeth old, sadly She didn t make It that far
Elizabeth did say that "this isn't the same place" as if he was already in the reality, where he chose the baptism. But how can that already have been predetermined before the actual baptism? This would indicate, that the realities had to have been split before he got to the lake. So the "first cause" for Comstock would have happened before he even got to the lake. Oh wait.. this fact actually solves my paradox. Never mind, lol.
Yes. And it's funny how this future is STILL a better world situation than that OTHER version of that year.
So maybe I'm late to the party here. Is there a logical story reason for Old Elizabeth to give you the piece of paper with a cage drawn on it rather than, say, indicating that they're notes to call Songbird? I realize it's to set up the "eureka" moment Elizabeth has when she realizes the cage refers to musical notes, but, if Old Elizabeth wanted Booker to succeed, why be as vague and nondescript as possible?
Whether Booker succeeds when he goes back in time wouldn't matter to the Old Elizabeth. She won't pop back to being a young lady in the "Present". An episode of Doctor Who called 'The Girl Who Waited' would handle more of the context behind the logic. If you've got the time the episode's worth checking out.
Dramatic impact and writing mainly. Though I think it’s also to keep up with the idea that Elizabeth is far more logical and intelligent than Booker is. She can decipher things easily, like Old Elizabeth said: “she’ll know how to read it.” Old Elizabeth could’ve easily told Booker how to stop Songbird with the notes C-A-G-E, but I think it was integral somewhat that Elizabeth figured it out herself.
Read my comments again:
1. The ending didn't make sense, because they are drowning the old Booker, which would NOT kill Comstock
2. Even if it magically did according to quantum mechanics the possibility of Comstock CANNOT be destroyed therefor there will be an infinite amount of possibilities, how Comestock could exist. Therefor you would be "saving" some finite amount of people vs an infinite amount. If that is not fruitless and in vain, then I don't know what is.
If you really think about it then the ending doesn't make sense and it's up to your imagination to fill in the gaps. Regardless it really got me emotionally and I loved the game.
My favorite part.
1:54, Bioshock Fallens Edge.( could probably be the next Bioshock game)
This actually works as 9/11 reference; Elizabeth foretold that religious maniacs would one day rain fire from the sky upon New York City.
You didn't seem to get my point. You CANNOT kill every Comstock, because there are an infinite amount of them. As there are an infinite amount of everything in the multiverse. Unless she literally meant that the Bioshock universe has about a million million words and not infinite. Also we have the grandfather paradox. If she ceases to exist in the end then who killed Booker?
Now to repeat myself ONCE AGAIN xD. They CLEARLY killed the old Booker. In the last scene you can hear his confusion, you can hear him talking to Elizabeth like he knows her. I mean come the fuck on that is the old Booker we are playing in that last scene and then he dies. If they wanted to kill the pre-baptized Booker, then they should have looked for him and killed him, but instead they kill THE PLAYER - OLD BOOKER. What part of this do you not understand for god sake man?
Also we do not know if Anna was in the crib or not at the end. Plus if they had gotten quantum mechanics and parallel universe right they would of understood, that they cannot destroy the possibility of someone existing no matter what. Unless again they made themselves their own version of the multiverse, where there are literally a "million million" worlds and not infinite (then what's with the title?).
When did Elizabeth open up the tear which Booker went through to go so far into the future?
Ramon It was old Elizabeth who did that with the last of her strength to warn him and help the young Elizabeth!
Why did she do this when she knew it was wrong?
Well shit. Finally someone gives an answer, which actually addresses my question. I wasn't trying to prove everyone wrong thinking that I was "right". I just got frustrated, because people were not addressing the specific issue I was talking about and just kept telling me the plot, which I already know, over and over again.
Do you not get it?
They killed Booker while he was about to be baptized, therefore, every Booker afterwards (including every Comstock) because he couldn't be baptized because he was DEAD.
There's no need to overthink this so just GET OVER IT because it's the ending and it's going to stay that way because every other game in the whole fucking world that played this game sure seemed to like it.
Is pretty simple they turned a variable (Booker's baptism) a constant so there are no Booker after the baptism
Sounds really interesting, may have to check that out sometime.
Possibly when he entered the fog, into the snow before getting into Comstock house.
ok
How did Columbia stood a chance against 1984 USA? With radars, supersonic jets, AA missiles...Yes, existence of columbia propably altered timeline somehow, but eighties New York we see dont show any reason why this tech shouldnt exist.
7 years late, but good point. Realistically the longer the war lasted, the bigger the chance of the U.S. hitting back harder.
You're assuming that this is a reality where those things exist. The game makes a point of small things having unintended or major consequences - it's not a stretch to think the former.
Bioshock infinite could have easily been the best on the series imo but something about Columbia didn’t sit well for me rapture will always be the true roots of bishock although infinite was my favorite storyline but bioshock 2 will still be my favorite good story characters and even dlc was perfect
What in the world are you talking about? I have explained time and time again how the ending has some things, which make no sense. To this point everyone has been repeating the same thing, which I have refuted over and over again and no one has actually presented any rebuttal to what I have said. Just some new guy jumps in to say exactly the same stupid thing again.
plus i just love the destruction of the city such a errie feeling
Maybe your explanation about "morphing" is what the game-makers intended. But that still kind of illuminates the idea that the game has some internal inconsistencies. If a person is morphed into their alternate selves when they cross over, then why didn't Booker at the very beginning immediately morph into Comstock? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that maybe the game writers themselves overlooked that.
WastedPo because Comstock was born from Baptism, and Comstock was never at wounded knee. If anything, the Luteces tinkering didn't help continuity. As they fuck with the timeline, making it harder to keep track of everything
best scene ever!!!!!!
is it just me or does this scene remind of the london scene from Full Metal Alchemist
How is it truthful? The closest thing anywhere ever got to that point was Russia under Stalin, and that ended a long time ago.
Columbia has Elizabeth so it can be determined that Columbia had better technology than The United States of America at that time.
"There's no need to overthink this so just GET OVER IT"
Hahahah... you say that and yet continue to argue with me on this matter. Also now I have proof that you don't even ready my comments because I clearly said that i still love this game, regardless of the weird non-nonsensical stuff. I take it as art, but that doesn't mean looking for inconsistencies and plot holes is not fun.
I play in higher brightness and it kind of ruined the reveal for me
You keep telling people to, "read you earlier comments," when they obviously already have and have given proof to show why you are wrong and yet you completely ignore their evidence because you are convinced you're right.
I mean seriously, what more do you want?
So you just wanted them to say: "Oh, we could save billions of lives or we could just be selfish and go to Paris, fuck it, let's go to Paris!"
Gee, they definitely would look like heroes then....
Do you think it is horrifying because of the truth it holds?
Oh for the love of... why is it so hard for you people to understand what I am saying? If they wanted to kill off Comstock then they should have drowned the young Booker about to get baptized, but they CLEARLY kill the old Booker, who we are playing. What exactly does that accomplish? Unless the old Booker "merged" with the young one and got drowned and then merged AGAIN with the young booker at his house before the credits. In that case it is getting pretty ridiculous.
Haven't read the book myself, just looked into a summary for about 2 minutes after you mentioned it. What I meant was stuff like cencorship, and also the big brother thing, except what I mean not being on an extreme level.
Anyways what did you think was horrifying about it then, just the plot itself?
Maybe, but why Columbia didnt simply attacked in 1912? We dont see ANY technological iprovement for which may Columbia wait for. Ok, this version of 80s might be worse in means of tech. But it is still better than 1912. Why wait?
Please don't. It's actually my most hated book of all time.
songbird siempre los detenia :/
El tóxico de songbird 🤣
If they had, why it looks all the same then?
after* the credits
That makes no goddamn sense. Please read my earlier comments.
what are the lutece's referring to here?
Umm... how's that? After they kill Comstock they could have just gone to Paris. Comstock is dead and the child selling thing already happened. The tower is destroyed. Everything is fine. Who the hell cares if Comstock still lives in other realities. There are infinite amount of realities anyway. They should have just stopped there.
So imo the end was just a senseless death.
In any case they got the multiverse thing completely wrong so it doesn't matter.
Obviously everyone in the game cares. That's your opinion though, not mine. I think your over speculating the ending
stop moving the damn camera D:
Call me stupid, but what happened back then?