Ep. 50 - Catholicism
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- How is being Catholic different and similar to being Protestant?
Barry, Sissy, and Isaac are back and talking about Catholics and Protestants. How are the two similar? What about the differences? How did they both originate? What about purgatory and confession? What is a misconception Protestants have about Catholics?
The crew wraps up the episode by talking about their experience being in the path of totality during the solar eclipse.
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Interesting comment around the 6 minute mark about having 16 centuries of common history and that the first 16 centuries wasn't Catholic history. I would beg to differ. Protestanism wasn't around. It was Catholic History under the Pope or Orthodox History not under the Pope. Protestants cannot claim Catholic History for there own unless they are willing to accept what the Pope is and the teachings of the first 16 centuries of the Church
Interesting how most of Christendom was under a pope for all of Christian history, yet it wasn’t the Catholic Church around the whole time. I don’t understand how someone can genuinely revise history and believe it.
The early church, even before Constantine, does not look close to modern Protestantism.
@@Jerome616 The NT church does not look like the roman catholic church.
@@Justas399 you are right, The difference is, we believe the authority of what was passed down and developed. In acts, we clearly see the development of the church, the use of authority, the development of doctrine, and the process of sharing the gospel. As a Protestant, you really don’t hold to the development of doctrine, because you don’t believe the Holy Spirit guides the church, if you did, their would not be denomination after denomination, their would be only one church, with sure teaching, and authority to reprimand those teaching falsely.
These aspects are part of the Catholic Church, and thus, just as it was in acts, we see the Catholic Church formed in the NT.
@@Jerome616 Jesus never promised that the Holy Spirit would guide a church. Jesus nor His apostles ever identify the church as the roman catholic church.
I appreciate the civil discussion.. It would be great to get a Catholic on your show. A few clarifications:
Papal Infallibility does not mean that everything the Pope teaches about scripture is infallible. It is a very misunderstood teaching of the Church
Faith Alone: If you believe we cannot receive grace from the sacraments or "works", do you believe that we can lose grace and salvation? Catholics teach that there is nothing we can do to merit our justification. True faith involves works however. We can't just say we have faith, and then go on living our lives no differently. As James tells us in scriputre, Faith without works is dead. St. Paul gives us a list of sins that will take away our salvation. So if we are saved, and then commit one of these sins and not saved anymore, are we just damned?
Confession: We don't earn our forgiveness by going to the sacrament of confession. It is through the sacrament that we receive assurity of forgiveness. And this forgiveness comes from Jesus through the ministry of the priest. It is a direct utilization of the power given to the disciples of Jesus to forgive sins. I think we can all agree that Jesus dispensed that authority to his disciples. This is how the Catholic Church utilizes this authority. A person can be forgiven by going directly to God, but how are we assured that this forgiveness has happened?
Praying to Saints: This one is really simple. If we shouldn't ask those that have gone before us for prayers, why do we ask those on earth for prayers. It is a bit hypocritical to criticize this practice of the Catholic Church if you ask for prayers from friends/family/strangers that are still on Earth. We do have scripture to back this up. Especially in the book of Revelation.
Comments on Sola not meaning only but meaning the ultimate....this may be true for you 3 but you can go down the road a mile and find a different opinion. But what authority do you have to say what all protestants mean by sola xx?
Purgatory: Evidence in scripture-Rev 21:27 ; II Maccabees 12:39-46 ; Matt 12:32 ; Matt 5: 24-25 ; 1 Cor 3: 11-15 There are others as well.
In conclusion, I do greatly appreciate the care and civility at which you all spoke about the Catholic faith. I'll add that one of the great things about the Catholic Church is that our beliefs are easy to find in the Catechism so I would encourage nonCatholics to look into the Catechism on a topic and not rely on what they think the Church teaches
Purgatory is a denial of Colossians 2:13-13; I John 1:9
@@Justas399how so? Are you suggesting that we need not repent for our future sins? God forgives all our sins, but failing to ask forgiveness when we sin again is an even greater sin. Purgatory is the state of those who fail to ask for forgiveness, they are not condemned to hell, for Christ has saved them, but they cannot be forgiven to they have repented. Purgatory is simply the repentance that God is owed.
That sola= ultimate doctrine
Sure is popular lately.
@@Jerome616 What does "forgiven us all our transgressions" mean?
"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." Colossians 2:13-14
Purgatory is a denial of the gospel.
@@Justas399 can you be more specific? How does purgatory deny that verse?
Do you think that Paul denies those versus? Because Paul said there are sins that will make you not enter the kingdom of Heaven
Hey, I’m a Catholic, please feel free to ask me any questions you have about the Church.😊
Should get a well informed Catholic on for discussing like this
As I catholic I usually avoid discussion about Catholicism from Protestants because they often have strong misconceptions about our faith which is frustrating to watch.
This however, was a very good explanation of parts of our faith (aside from a few parts I would describe differently as a Catholic)
Thoroughly enjoyed this, good job
Jordan - Do you think that avoidance of tough subjects is a practice that Jesus would honor? Why or why not? I ask these questions seriously.
@@robwassler5774the problem is that it’s not a tough subject. It’s just tough and fruitless often times to convince Protestants that their beliefs on what the Catholic Church clearly teaches is wrong.
@@robwassler5774 I’m not avoiding any tough subjects
@@jordanmiller3927 - I am confused. In your original post, you said you usually avoid the conversations with Protestants about Catholicism. Then in your reply, you said you’re not avoiding tough subjects.
@@robwassler5774 I tend to avoid the videos not because they’re tough intellectually but because it’s fruitless. Many popular Protestant critiques of Catholicism don’t actually critique Catholicism
So if it is the Bible alone then what you were saying is every individual or separate church can make be their own authority? Really that is what it all boils down to. Do you trust Christ when he sent forth His apostles or not? In the protestant world people can interpret scripture anyway they want and that is what has given us gay marriage and abortion and a host of other evils. Well done Martin Luther, well done.
List of Popes BEFORE Constantine:
1.-San Pedro (Simón Bar Jona): 2.- San Lino, Tuscany, (67-76). 3.- San Anacleto (Cleto), Roma (76-88)
4.- San Clemente I (88-97) 5.- San Evaristo, Grecia, (97-105) 6.- San Alejandro I, Roma, (105-115) 7.- San Sixto I, Roma (115-125) 8.- San Telésforo, Grecia, (125-136) 9.- San Iginio, Grecia, (136-140) 10.- San Pío I, Aquileia, (140-155) 11.- San Aniceto, Siria, (155-166) 12.- San Sotero, Campania, (166-175) 13.- San Eleuterio, Grecia, (175-189) 14.- San Víctor I Africa (189-199) 15.- San Ceferino (199-217) 16.- San Calixto I, (217-222) 17.- San Urbano I (222-230) 18.- San Ponciano (230-235) 19.- San Anterus (Grecia) (235) 20.- San Fabian (236-250) 21.- San Cornelio (251-253) 22.- San Lucio I (253-254) 23.- San Esteban I (254-257) 24.- San Sixto II (Grecia) (257-258) 25.- San Dionisio (259-268) 26.- San Felix I (269-274) 27.- San Eutiquiano (275-283)
28.- San Cayo (Dalmacia) (283-296)
29.- San Marcelino (296-304)
30.- San Marcelo I (308-309)
31.- San Eusebio, Grecia (309-309)
32.- San Melquiades o Miltiades, Africa (311-314)
33.- San Silvestre I (314-335)
34.- San Marcos (336-336)
35.- San Julio I (337-352)
(After the death or Constantine until the first Canon of Scripture)
36.- Liberio
37.- San Dámaso I (If the Catholic Church was “founded” after Constantine, then the Canon of Scripture that you read today is done under this lie)
Oh my, will have to get Cissy's autograph after the name-dropping! 😊 Thank you to the green couch pastors for addressing a very important and still timely topic!
Ikr? I would love an episode listening to Sissy talk about those conversations that she had.
Holy wow this was an amazing discussion! I ended up slowing down the play speed of my podcast app so I could take it all in. I had forgotten how much rich history there is, plus all the theological tidbits y’all discussed. This is one of my favorite episodes thus far.
Regarding the eclipse, I got to experience this beautiful, amazing event with my son. By far one of the most amazing visual experiences imo.
Take care, stay awesome!!!!
Summary: a high view of scripture, a low view of the eclipse, ha!