Indeed, this paper and the new Baryta Matt are stunning new options. Hahnemühle did a great job. The Bamboo Gloss is not for every image, but if it fits, results will be fantastic. It’s quite warm by the way. The Baryta Matt is my new benchmark for matte papers. Great detail in the shadows, a punch which is close to semigloss papers and huge color gamut.
I don’t have numbers and it highly depends on the printer/ink used. There was a recent photo show with a booth from Hahnemühle in Hamburg. They showed some color gamut comparisons of new Baryta Matte vs. Photo Rag Ultra Smooth and the newer performed better. Other improvements might be tonality in shadow areas and sharpness, based on the Baryta component in the paper coating. Have also a look for the Baryta Matte video series from Fotospeed. They did some intro videos around the Hahnemühle Baryta Matt but also the new Fotospeed Matte Baryta (definitely not identical). They give some more information.
Great as always! Would love to see the upscaling/image processing video for this magnificent phograph. When you said that "all" you had to work with was 8 megapixels my appreciation for the final product grew even more.
Are you using the latest version of Gigapixel AI, which I believe is now 7.0 or the upscaling within Photo AI, which is now 2.3? Or perhaps another upscaler?
As always Keith your insightful views concerning the art of the print is second to none. I have this paper as cut sheets (13x19) and printed a beautiful print of my daughter visiting a Christmas using the ABW mode on my Epson P800. I heard you mention you used Premium Luster not Premium Gloss. I was wondering why Luster? Secondly, what is your thoughts on using the Epson Print Layout software the most current version being 1.5.8? I have notice a huge difference with the print between say using the Hahnemuhle ICC profile and the ABW neutral print. And lastly how could I get a profile for the Bamboo Gloss Baryta for my P800...cheers!
Thanks! Premium Lustre[260] is just the media setting I used for profiling [and for ABW] it may be different on other printers. In general, profiles are not so good for B&W printing - ABW does not make use of them. As to the profile - no idea I'm afraid, the printer is likely too old for Hahnemuhle to support it - that means you need to find someone with the printer, making their own profiles, and using that paper...
cool video, thanks for sharing, seems to be an interesting paper. The paper almost getting stuck at 7:27 was tense to watch, hope this was by accident and not by (faulty) design of the printer's output tray...
Thanks I do, but quite rarely, so not something I'd express particular advice or expertise in ;-) The most useful thing I've got is a Logan mat cutter, which I picked up cheap at an art supplies shop closing down sale about 15 years ago ;-)
On the P5300, almost never. Potentially for some tones/tints, a good profile might help, but for what I've seen for this printer, that's about it. Some less standard papers might show issues, but none I've tested.
Hello Keith, thank's so much for your advices and testings.I am interested to know how a low resolution image can be worked to use it in a big print? Daniel
I'll have a video about this image later this week, but in the mean time see www.northlight-images.co.uk/printing-low-megapixel-images/ and this related video czcams.com/video/7vZ2TGgJJ4A/video.html
Keith, I am impressivly stunned by the reflectivity of this paper, but the texture may be too much for some images, and as someone says it has low whiteness. I just found online that Hahnemühle just came out with this paper too: Photo Silk Baryta X 310. Have you tried it? It also seems to be reflective and punchy through the pigment ink, and has less texture and brighter whites. I'm wondering if this could be the perfect paper? Also, have you tried putting any water on the Bamboo Gloss Baryta prints, to see if it repels it somewhat? I'd love to find a paper that wouldn't need to be sprayed with a coating or covered with glass, and still hold up fairly well. I still don't have a printer right now to try it myself.
Yes - glad the texture was visible in the video - it would be more than I'd want for some prints, likewise the lack of OBA whiteness. I have some baryta matt to test. Note that I cannot afford to buy stuff for such testing, so am partly restricted to what people ask me to look at Water on prints does not go well...
@@KeithCooper Since you like OBA whiteness, you may really like the Hahnemühle Sustainable Photo Satin paper that I just now see that you also have to test (your new Canon printers' video). It looks like you have 3 of the 4 new Hahnemühle papers to test, but don't have the one I'm most interested in. Hahnemühle says: "Photo Silk Baryta X - new version of the classic Photo Silk Baryta." This paper will be white, but not as white as Sustainable, which has more OBAs, but I'm thinking may be white enough. The new Photo Silk Baryta X also is glossy, like the bamboo paper, but less glossy than Sustainable, according to their specs. Sustainable Photo Satin could be amazing if it's not too glossy. All four of these papers were introduced by Hahnemühle last September, according to their website. You may be missing the best one: Photo Silk Baryta X. I hope you get to try it too!
@@KeithCooper Interesting! The Grafisk-Handel CZcams page shows the four new papers in four, 20-second videos. The Bamboo paper does look more reflective than either of the Satin Bar or the Silk Bar X papers. But they seem to have a significant sheen. Hahnemüle's specs say the Satin Bar has a "gloss value" of 20, and the Silk has a value of 16. The Bamboo Bar doesn't have a number. They just say "high gloss." I really like the look of the Silk Bar in Grafisk's video!! It would be incredibly fun to test the three papers side-by-side, and see what they look like hung on walls in real life I'm looking to see the colors pop, like what happens in metal prints, with the dye ink allowing the reflective surface to project the image. Dye ink paper printers aren't big enough, and prints would have to be protected by glass or spray. I'm loving these options instead of going that route.
I'll have the other two HM papers in a video at some point. Just finishing off the 'making of' video for the big B&W print in the paper review [~35 mins ;-) ]
Great video 👍 can you recommend what kind of paper should I use when doing a test print on my canon pro 300? Can I use just the basic standard a4 paper that I use in my cheap printer ? Or do I need to use the cheapest paper from canon?
Thanks You definitely don't need a Canon paper, but you do need paper for which you have a profile, otherwise it's a fairly limited test [unless just for layout]. See: www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
I'm surprised to see so much gloss come through the pigment ink. How is this possible? Does the ink imbed into the paper so gloss is still on the surface? I've been attracted more to dye ink prints lately in order to get more color pop, because dye inks let the paper's gloss come through. But it seems to happen here with pigment ink. What's your take on this, Keith? Interesting paper!
Because the ink on this surface has a gloss... there is a similar gloss to the paper. Gloss with dye and pigment inks is a very complex subject - Quite a few technical papers have been published by Canon and Epson in the past
rawtherapee's got this whole panel of wavelet tools that do fast fourier transform, turn an image into a collection of sine waves that can be manipulated, looks ever so complicated though, I've tried scaling a few things up in that with the normal tools, worked pretty well
I had a look at some of the adobe AI examples, seemed to struggle a bit generating new bits of rooms and stuff but detail is probably a better use @@KeithCooper
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Indeed, this paper and the new Baryta Matt are stunning new options. Hahnemühle did a great job. The Bamboo Gloss is not for every image, but if it fits, results will be fantastic. It’s quite warm by the way. The Baryta Matt is my new benchmark for matte papers. Great detail in the shadows, a punch which is close to semigloss papers and huge color gamut.
I have a box of the baryta matte, but am waiting for ink from Epson ;-)
Any idea on the difference or potential improvements of DMax on the new Baryta Matt compared to their ‘standard’ photo rag?
I don’t have numbers and it highly depends on the printer/ink used. There was a recent photo show with a booth from Hahnemühle in Hamburg. They showed some color gamut comparisons of new Baryta Matte vs. Photo Rag Ultra Smooth and the newer performed better. Other improvements might be tonality in shadow areas and sharpness, based on the Baryta component in the paper coating. Have also a look for the Baryta Matte video series from Fotospeed. They did some intro videos around the Hahnemühle Baryta Matt but also the new Fotospeed Matte Baryta (definitely not identical). They give some more information.
Great as always! Would love to see the upscaling/image processing video for this magnificent phograph. When you said that "all" you had to work with was 8 megapixels my appreciation for the final product grew even more.
Thanks - I'll have something up later this week
Are you using the latest version of Gigapixel AI, which I believe is now 7.0 or the upscaling within Photo AI, which is now 2.3? Or perhaps another upscaler?
Nope - GP AI 5.8
Waiting until I'm using my new Mac Studio for doing a review of 7
Lovely Keith. I was wondering about this paper, and you’ve definitely sold me on it now after watching this. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! I'm not normally a big fan of glossy finishes, but this one is interesting...
A beautiful print! I am looking forward to your video about making the image.
Thanks!
Good review Keith and nice photos
Thanks!
As always Keith your insightful views concerning the art of the print is second to none. I have this paper as cut sheets (13x19) and printed a beautiful print of my daughter visiting a Christmas using the ABW mode on my Epson P800. I heard you mention you used Premium Luster not Premium Gloss. I was wondering why Luster? Secondly, what is your thoughts on using the Epson Print Layout software the most current version being 1.5.8? I have notice a huge difference with the print between say using the Hahnemuhle ICC profile and the ABW neutral print. And lastly how could I get a profile for the Bamboo Gloss Baryta for my P800...cheers!
Thanks! Premium Lustre[260] is just the media setting I used for profiling [and for ABW] it may be different on other printers. In general, profiles are not so good for B&W printing - ABW does not make use of them.
As to the profile - no idea I'm afraid, the printer is likely too old for Hahnemuhle to support it - that means you need to find someone with the printer, making their own profiles, and using that paper...
cool video, thanks for sharing, seems to be an interesting paper. The paper almost getting stuck at 7:27 was tense to watch, hope this was by accident and not by (faulty) design of the printer's output tray...
Thanks - Yes, any incompetence is my own... I'd left the flap up [it stops sheets falling on the floor]
Enjoying your videos a lot and are the best ! Do you mount your own photos yourself? And if so could you do a video how to mount an image please?
Thanks
I do, but quite rarely, so not something I'd express particular advice or expertise in ;-)
The most useful thing I've got is a Logan mat cutter, which I picked up cheap at an art supplies shop closing down sale about 15 years ago ;-)
Very interesting as per usual - may I ask, when would you NOT use the ABW mode
On the P5300, almost never.
Potentially for some tones/tints, a good profile might help, but for what I've seen for this printer, that's about it.
Some less standard papers might show issues, but none I've tested.
Hello Keith, thank's so much for your advices and testings.I am interested to know how a low resolution image can be worked to use it in a big print?
Daniel
I'll have a video about this image later this week, but in the mean time see
www.northlight-images.co.uk/printing-low-megapixel-images/
and this related video
czcams.com/video/7vZ2TGgJJ4A/video.html
Totally 'Ansel Adams roll over' stuff!
Not sure if that's good or bad... :-)
Keith, I am impressivly stunned by the reflectivity of this paper, but the texture may be too much for some images, and as someone says it has low whiteness. I just found online that Hahnemühle just came out with this paper too: Photo Silk Baryta X 310. Have you tried it? It also seems to be reflective and punchy through the pigment ink, and has less texture and brighter whites. I'm wondering if this could be the perfect paper?
Also, have you tried putting any water on the Bamboo Gloss Baryta prints, to see if it repels it somewhat? I'd love to find a paper that wouldn't need to be sprayed with a coating or covered with glass, and still hold up fairly well. I still don't have a printer right now to try it myself.
Yes - glad the texture was visible in the video - it would be more than I'd want for some prints, likewise the lack of OBA whiteness.
I have some baryta matt to test.
Note that I cannot afford to buy stuff for such testing, so am partly restricted to what people ask me to look at
Water on prints does not go well...
@@KeithCooper Since you like OBA whiteness, you may really like the Hahnemühle Sustainable Photo Satin paper that I just now see that you also have to test (your new Canon printers' video).
It looks like you have 3 of the 4 new Hahnemühle papers to test, but don't have the one I'm most interested in. Hahnemühle says: "Photo Silk Baryta X - new version of the classic Photo Silk Baryta."
This paper will be white, but not as white as Sustainable, which has more OBAs, but I'm thinking may be white enough.
The new Photo Silk Baryta X also is glossy, like the bamboo paper, but less glossy than Sustainable, according to their specs.
Sustainable Photo Satin could be amazing if it's not too glossy.
All four of these papers were introduced by Hahnemühle last September, according to their website.
You may be missing the best one: Photo Silk Baryta X. I hope you get to try it too!
Just did a profile for the satin - it is a very low gloss. The matt is very matt
Don't have the Bar X though
@@KeithCooper Interesting! The Grafisk-Handel CZcams page shows the four new papers in four, 20-second videos. The Bamboo paper does look more reflective than either of the Satin Bar or the Silk Bar X papers. But they seem to have a significant sheen.
Hahnemüle's specs say the Satin Bar has a "gloss value" of 20, and the Silk has a value of 16.
The Bamboo Bar doesn't have a number. They just say "high gloss."
I really like the look of the Silk Bar in Grafisk's video!!
It would be incredibly fun to test the three papers side-by-side, and see what they look like hung on walls in real life
I'm looking to see the colors pop, like what happens in metal prints, with the dye ink allowing the reflective surface to project the image.
Dye ink paper printers aren't big enough, and prints would have to be protected by glass or spray.
I'm loving these options instead of going that route.
I'll have the other two HM papers in a video at some point. Just finishing off the 'making of' video for the big B&W print in the paper review [~35 mins ;-) ]
Great video 👍 can you recommend what kind of paper should I use when doing a test print on my canon pro 300? Can I use just the basic standard a4 paper that I use in my cheap printer ? Or do I need to use the cheapest paper from canon?
Thanks
You definitely don't need a Canon paper, but you do need paper for which you have a profile, otherwise it's a fairly limited test [unless just for layout].
See: www.northlight-images.co.uk/canon-pro-300-printer-review/
@@KeithCooper thankyou for the reply
Did you convert this to Black and White before printing in the BW mode in the Epson software? Or do you bring an optimized color edited version in?
Printed as B&W with Epson ABW mode - but directly from Photoshop
A 'making of' video is under construction [likely over 40 mins long!]
@@KeithCooper Great! Thanks always
I'm surprised to see so much gloss come through the pigment ink. How is this possible? Does the ink imbed into the paper so gloss is still on the surface?
I've been attracted more to dye ink prints lately in order to get more color pop, because dye inks let the paper's gloss come through. But it seems to happen here with pigment ink. What's your take on this, Keith? Interesting paper!
How is so much shine able to get through the pigment ink?
Because the ink on this surface has a gloss... there is a similar gloss to the paper.
Gloss with dye and pigment inks is a very complex subject - Quite a few technical papers have been published by Canon and Epson in the past
rawtherapee's got this whole panel of wavelet tools that do fast fourier transform, turn an image into a collection of sine waves that can be manipulated, looks ever so complicated though, I've tried scaling a few things up in that with the normal tools, worked pretty well
Yes, there are a lot of tools now - The 'AI' based ones can generate fine details which depending on what you are doing, is a good thing or not...
I had a look at some of the adobe AI examples, seemed to struggle a bit generating new bits of rooms and stuff but detail is probably a better use @@KeithCooper
Yes, they seem to be particularly well trained on tree detail ;-)