Predestination, Chosen, Elect & Free Will Explained
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Pastor Steve Waldron, New Life of Albany - Albany, Ga
Presbyterianism, Calvinism, or Arminianism? God bless! One of Christianity’s biggest theological questions!
newlifeofalbany...
Thankyou for explaining this i have been wrestling with this for a while
Very articulate and clear presentation- thank you and God Bless.
Thanks I enjoy these educational videos.
Denying predestination is akin to denying God's sovereignty. God knows what is going to happen well ahead of time...it does not mean he "made it happen." It boils down to a stern message to live in covenant relationship with God and to live righteously.
A friend once to me that when Adam and Eve sinned, God was disappointed. Such are among the repurcussions of denying absolute pre-d.
No choice involved except as God by his prevenient grace sets in order before any personal choices are made. Several verses back this up, including Rom. 9:16, De. 32:36, Jer. 10:23, Ps. 110:3, Rom. 8:20, Rom. 5:6, etc..
A W Pink explains this topic well..
One Jew to another: " Do you believe in free will?". Second Jew: " I have no choice".
We cannot and will not come BUT Jesus invites you to come and HE WILL NOT cast you out. We must just come and after we do come we KNOW God chose us
A pastor, mentor and fellow CZcamsr and someone I know in person sums it up succinctly: "just because he knows it will happen doesn't mean he made it happen, but in his permissive will he allows it to happen"
This is incorrect because of
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)
@@booyaka870 Things, not occurrences.
If a mechanic knows the brakes on your daughter's car needs to be replaced but he allows your daughter to use the car with her promise to return to his garage the next day and she has an accident and gets killed and you over hear the mechanic say to a reporter I knew the brakes were faulty. As the father of the girl that got killed would you not blame the mechanic.?
I was just thinking about the difference between the Jews & gentiles, and choice.
[And this is just my own understandings, which may be 'off'!]
When my manager selects one of us to head up a project, it is not necessarily that the rest of us have been rejected, or that he detests the rest of us.
1) He wants to get the job done.
2) There might also be other reasons, known only to him. And he's the boss!
It occurs to me that when we approach a door, we decide which hand to use to turn the knob. Do we say that it is 'The Chosen Hand' and revile the other hand, that we will cut that unused hand off at first opportunity? No, of course not.
So to be 'chosen' might only relate to purpose, and not a unique quality.
Analogy:
A few months ago there was a person on YT that was insistent that other watchmen accept them as a fellow watchman. And this person was upset! It was laughable, if it weren't so pathetically indicative of faulty motives and understanding. Because being a watchman is what you ~DO~ which is sounding the alarm. Not a status!
So being 'chosen' should probably not be thought of as a special status, but more like ~something you DO~.
[Like I said, these are just my own musings, NOT the Word of God.]
I was actually thinking along the same lines as you. Makes perfect sense. Our “job” as having been “chosen” is to preach the Gospel to those who have not heard it yet so that they may receive the Truth. God does not need us but He involves us which is in itself a GIFT FROM HIM. He knows everyone’s hearts. ❤️ God Bless!
You reject Calvinism?
You reject Jesusism?
New Life Of Albany Ga. no
Predestination is not exactly same as foreknowledge. Predestination is more of foreordaining what should be by a divine will or decree. To establish or arrange a course or pattern.
The predestined sons are the chosen sons of the 12 tribes of Israel. The freewill sons are the sons of Ephraim. And no one knows who is who. No one should boast cuz anyone can be cut off the tree.
Salvation has nothing to do with us. God does and knows everything. Our lives were already plan in every detail. We have free will but God already knew your free will. God does not think or reason like us. God's understanding is not our understanding. Not even close. God is not in time. This life already happened. We just do not know nothing.
Thank you for explaining this! Finally I am able to understand.
Would you ever consider a video on 1 Corinthians 11? Head covering with a second covering vs uncut hair being my covering. Just something I have wondered about. Thank you for your great videos!
I’ve done a couple of videos on that, but it’s been a year or 2. God bless!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa oh great I will browse through your videos thank you! God bless!
If a man knows that something bad is going to happen and has the ability to prevent that something bad from happening then in my opinion that man has a moral obligation to prevent that bad thing from happening. Is it not true that allowing something to happen when the ability is there to prevent it from happening has to be considered part of the cause of it happening because if it wasn't allowed to happen it wouldn't have happened. Therefor since God both knows and allows someone he is creating to go to Hell has a moral obligation to simply not create that person because if that person hadn't been created that person wouldn't be in hell. Therefor I suggest now I am not saying this is what the case is but if what I suggest is true than my suggestion absolves God of causing anyone to go to hell. So I offer this suggestion. Just as God has the ability to have selective memory so that He can choose to forget our sins and remember them no more "You will cast out all our sins into the depths of the sea. King James Bible ... For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more". Micah 7:19 KJB so to does God have the ability to selectively not know what choice his creatures will make in regards to their salvation. In this case God is not in any way the cause of whatever choice one may make in regards to their salvation.
Curious why he is not a Baptist anymore and why Protestants have 100s of different belief systems?
What’s wrong with unconditional election
What’s right with it? Is that term in Scripture?
The term "Trinity" is not in Scripture either
Do aa video on the ending of the Sonship as Bernard argues
Bernard has developed his theology further on that.
When you say that some doctrine (about 5 min into the video) isn’t true, are you referring to God’s holy text not being completely true?
No, the Bible is 100% true.
God knows and causes everything thing. Romans 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Nothing about causing.
@@ayls9443 so you don't believe that God causes everything? And believe you have a choice? I know, the KJV makes it sound like we do, but you have to learn the greek, hebrew, culture and idioms of that time to understand what the bible says.
@@derekcooper7400 we do have a choice. Instead of looking at verses to support a theory we need to look at the entire bible as a whole. If the interpretation of the verses comprises the overall message of the bible, God's character and plan we have to then weigh who do we look at for truth. God's word or a theory created by man.
We hurt God when we don't turn to him. Many times God was calling to his people to turn to him. Either he doesn't mean it or the he does. God doesn't lie so the theory is wrong.
The problem I do have is when verse are taken out of context.
If God chooses personally who he will make believe, the counter to that is he personally choses not to save most people.
You can try to argue with read this and look at that but overall you are saying God willing wants most of humanity to go to hell which he directly talk against in scripture.
God at the beginning made a plan that if you believe in his son who he sent you will be saved.
There are two groups, believers and non believers. Two destinations, two choices. On judgment day you will be responsible of where you go. God already told us what will happen to both sides.
Luke 15:7 Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who REPENTS than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no REPENTANCE. Luke 15:10 Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who REPENTS.”
So many times it is inferred God doesn't cause repentance but he did all the work to get you to heaven. He will be glad for every person who chose him. He is a Good God.
Much love
@@ayls9443 So don't do exactly what you are doing.... Learn the bible, but you cant understand if you don't have ears to hear or eyes to see, you see jesus spoke in parables, because the truth was only for his elect.
@@derekcooper7400 I have read it, of course I'm still learning. But I don't need a load of people who have a sense of how special am I to turn around a twist God character.
Stop twisting scripture to suit an theory.
You don't believe believe God causes it. God isn't causal he knows everything doesn't mean he causes it.
Honestly with this theory you have to then redefine what good and evil means.
If you just read the whole bible it clearly tells you he is a good god. He tells you that he wants everyone to turn to him if they don't this is what happens.
It's of own fault if we don't listen to him. God doesn't cause it otherwise when he says if you believe. I come for the lost sheep. Turn from sin. Repent. Its all a lie to fit with tulip. Theory always loses against God's words.
This is an interesting video
Check out chapter 3 of god’s eternal decree in the London Baptist or Westminster Confessions
Why is the term "New Covenant" not found in either of those man-made confessions?
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14.
Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (Acts 2:36)
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The Word “Baptize”:
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
I know that if God had given me the same life as one who dies an unbeliever I too would be an
unbeliever.
But I am a believer because God orchestrated my life in such a way that made it possible for me to
eventually repent.
But without this predestined life I’d never have repented and would have died an unbeliever.
God knew that Paul the messenger to the gentiles would repent if God spoke to him at the right time, right place, namely at the time of his fall on the way to Damascus.
But if God knew that Paul wouldn’t have repented then He wouldn’t have spoken to him and throw him from his horse.
This tells us that predestination which is thrown at us by God is only something that He does if we are indeed going to be one who will actually repent.
Without the predestined life we would not be saved.
Or we can say that all who are saved are predestined.
But without God’s helping hand of predestination I would not have repented and therefore not gotten saved.
But it’s a two way street.
Or it takes two to tango.
I became predestined by God because He knew, if it came right down to it, I would repent.
But for me to come right down to it,
I needed the predestined life for it to happen
Therefore whilst predestination was forced upon me nevertheless God wouldn’t have done so it if He knew I wasn’t going to be up for repentance.
That’s why it’s a two way street.
God only saves those who want to be saved. These are those who at the end of the day, if the conditions are right, will repent.
I didn’t really want to be a believer, but God knew me better than I knew myself, because He knew that if He arranged my life in a particular way, I’d eventually repent, which is exactly what I did.
But those stubborn Pharisees who paid off the guards to say the disciples stole the body while they were sleeping, God doesn’t predestinate, because they are not going to repent, no matter what.
Few get saved and many perish because they are absolutely not going to repent no matter what.
Hence the reason why they are not predestinated.
Without God’s intervention with the orchestrated life of predestination, we could not have repented. The powers of Satan would have just been just too much as we see in the lives of those around us who are perishing.
But in our favour we were always going to ultimately become a willing party, willing to go God’s way, if He could set it up in such a way that we could go His way.
And He did set it up and we did repent.
It’s called predestination.
Is it wrong to say that God allowed Satan to be here to tempt us to rebel against God, in order that we might prove our allegiance to God,
And therefore those who overcome, via the ransom paid, being the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, inherit Everlasting Life and become sons and daughters of the living God.
God alerts us to the existence of predestination as an explanation to believers as to why there are mysteriously so many unbelievers.
And as Michael and the holy angels being two thirds of that heavenly realm proved their fidelity to God with all obedience, by fighting against Lucifer’s rebellion, so too do we prove our allegiance to God with our repentance, which is also a fight against Satan.
And as Lucifer with his one third of the angelic realm that rebelled against God were cast out of heaven, so too is Satan now cast out of our midst, because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ who died on a cross to save us because He loves us.
Human beings NEVER seek after God or HIS claims on our lives
Yes we do. I did.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Sir, THAT is denying scripture. It's dangerous to deny what God says about us just because it doesn't fit what we WANT. !!!! 🥺
Not in the least. God said to seek Him while He may be found. Was God lying?@@Over-for-now
Mathew 22vs 14. Many are called but few are chosen.
Which, I think, could read "but few respond."
Isn't this so extremely sad?
God plans out the best way, making provision for all of us through His EXTREME efforts including sacrifice of His only son, but few listen, and fewer answer the call.
@@grintrap4455 the gospel call goes out freely to all but its the Holy SPIRIT that regenerates.
Hawk 1 - I didn't say anything different to that.
God does everything, and all the glory goes to God!
All we have to do is to let the seed grow that is planted in our soil.
@@grintrap4455 AMEN
So some people will go up, some will go down and it's all going as planned. Sounds like some people are going to hell no matter what.
Not if you watched the entire video.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa watching the entire video isn't going to change anything inside of it, but I did. There are several contradictions in the concept, it's not just the explanation. No one so far has an answer and that's because the two cannot coexist. Possibility eliminates a guarantee every time.
@@desmondbishop5808 Who said anything about guarantee? If you watched the video you know I am against individual predestination.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa I don't dig it either. I've never heard anything that makes it work or proves a God one way or the other.
I’m not at all agreeing with this pastor. Typical Pentecostal preacher trying to explain away the reality that God did create some people for destruction. Sorry pastor , but you can’t rewrite scripture to make everyone feel better about predestination.
I’m all in Scripture.
ARTICLE 3
THE SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST
1322 The holy Eucharist completes Christian initiation. Those who have been raised to the dignity of the royal priesthood by Baptism and configured more deeply to Christ by Confirmation participate with the whole community in the Lord's own sacrifice by means of the Eucharist.
1323 "At the Last Supper, on the night he was betrayed, our Savior instituted the Eucharistic sacrifice of his Body and Blood. This he did in order to perpetuate the sacrifice of the cross throughout the ages until he should come again, and so to entrust to his beloved Spouse, the Church, a memorial of his death and resurrection: a sacrament of love, a sign of unity, a bond of charity, a Paschal banquet 'in which Christ is consumed, the mind is filled with grace, and a pledge of future glory is given to us.'"135
I. THE EUCHARIST - SOURCE AND SUMMIT OF ECCLESIAL LIFE
1324 The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life."136 "The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch."137
1325 "The Eucharist is the efficacious sign and sublime cause of that communion in the divine life and that unity of the People of God by which the Church is kept in being. It is the culmination both of God's action sanctifying the world in Christ and of the worship men offer to Christ and through him to the Father in the Holy Spirit."138
1326 Finally, by the Eucharistic celebration we already unite ourselves with the heavenly liturgy and anticipate eternal life, when God will be all in all.139
1327 In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: "Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking."140
II. WHAT IS THIS SACRAMENT CALLED?
1328 The inexhaustible richness of this sacrament is expressed in the different names we give it. Each name evokes certain aspects of it. It is called:
Eucharist, because it is an action of thanksgiving to God. The Greek words eucharistein141 and eulogein142 recall the Jewish blessings that proclaim - especially during a meal - God's works: creation, redemption, and sanctification.
1329 The Lord's Supper, because of its connection with the supper which the Lord took with his disciples on the eve of his Passion and because it anticipates the wedding feast of the Lamb in the heavenly Jerusalem.143
The Breaking of Bread, because Jesus used this rite, part of a Jewish meat when as master of the table he blessed and distributed the bread,144 above all at the Last Supper.145 It is by this action that his disciples will recognize him after his Resurrection,146 and it is this expression that the first Christians will use to designate their Eucharistic assemblies;147 by doing so they signified that all who eat the one broken bread, Christ, enter into communion with him and form but one body in him.148
The Eucharistic assembly (synaxis), because the Eucharist is celebrated amid the assembly of the faithful, the visible expression of the Church.149
1330 The memorial of the Lord's Passion and Resurrection.
The Holy Sacrifice, because it makes present the one sacrifice of Christ the Savior and includes the Church's offering. The terms holy sacrifice of the Mass, "sacrifice of praise," spiritual sacrifice, pure and holy sacrifice are also used,150 since it completes and surpasses all the sacrifices of the Old Covenant.
The Holy and Divine Liturgy, because the Church's whole liturgy finds its center and most intense expression in the celebration of this sacrament; in the same sense we also call its celebration the Sacred Mysteries. We speak of the Most Blessed Sacrament because it is the Sacrament of sacraments. The Eucharistic species reserved in the tabernacle are designated by this same name.
1331 Holy Communion, because by this sacrament we unite ourselves to Christ, who makes us sharers in his Body and Blood to form a single body.151 We also call it: the holy things (ta hagia; sancta)152 - the first meaning of the phrase "communion of saints" in the Apostles' Creed - the bread of angels, bread from heaven, medicine of immortality,153 viaticum. . . .
1332 Holy Mass (Missa), because the liturgy in which the mystery of salvation is accomplished concludes with the sending forth (missio) of the faithful, so that they may fulfill God's will in their daily lives.
Total depravity no one can choose god
I wonder why Elijah said choose ye this day? Why did Joel talk of the valley of decision? Why did Jesus say come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden if they couldn’t choose to come?
New Life Of Albany Ga. oh
New Life Of Albany Ga. Eph 2.1
New Life Of Albany Ga. why did he say no one can come to him unless the father draws him?
@@davidclark6172 Because the Holy Spirit draws all men... If God unconditionally elected people to save, wouldn't Adam and Eve not taken the fruit? They Didn't even know what Sin was? Calvinism makes God responsible for sin. Which He most certainly is not.
Weak.
Really?
Choose this day who you will serve...God desires All Men to be saved. God can harden whom He wills, but remember the King of Egypt... God knew he would harden his heart and not listen... So God in turn hardened even more. The fruit Adam ate was the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. Not just evil, but good.... God said that the whole earth was wicked and deserved to be destroyed... But Noah was a righteous man and the Lord saved him.
The Israelites are the 144,000
Proof
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Revelation 7
New International Version
Note: Proof that Christ only deals with Israelites and no other Nation.
Revelation 21:12 (Note: Which Gate shall you enter? Based on this scripture; how can you enter these gates to Heaven if you don’t come from that tribe?)
2 Esdras 6:56
“As for the other people which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like vnto spittle, and hast likened the abundance of them vnto a drop that falleth from a vessell.”
Note: Spittle means Spit.
Psalm 147:20
New International Version
He has done this for no other nation; they do not know his laws. Praise the LORD.
Note: He is saying he don’t deal with people outside of Israel Bloodline.
Please show scriptures that shows I’m wrong??? I can prove to you with multiple scriptures that Christ only dealt with Israelites and only used Israelites.
And what does the Bible say for oppressors future?
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Isaiah 14:2
New International Version
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.
Note: This verse hasn’t ever been completed yet in history. Israel has never took all the Nations as slaves. But Christ says it will happen in that Bible verse.
Please prove me wrong with only scriptures only scriptures.
But you may say - “My Pastor said he died for the World. “
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Isaiah 45:17
“But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.”
Note: This Bible Verse proves Israel Bloodline is only seen as the WORLD. And Gentiles are Israelites who no longer live in Israel and no longer practice their Israel customs.
Hebrews 13:8
King James Version
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Note: What he says is what he always means and will do.
I can prove everything with scriptures and not what I feel.
And Jesus Christ wasn’t English since English didn’t exist. He is a Israelite. Everything was translated to have Americans fit in.
You need to Learn how to read the bible.. You seem to don't know how to.. I'll give you a starting point.. Always you need to know who is talking (God or human) , also when God/ that person is talking ( is it old testament or new testament), and to whom God/that person is talking to ( the Israel's or all humans), why God/that person is saying what is being said.. And just a head up, old tastament was between God and Israel but the new testament is about God with the whole wolrd..
Mark 16:15-16
[15]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[16]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.