These two Modern decks are so broken! | Mono Black Necro vs Bant Nadu | Modern Paper Gameplay | Mtg
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Mengu's Mono Black Necrodominance Decklist:
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4 Grief
4 Sheoldred, the Apocalypse
4 Boggart Trawler
3 Orcish Bowmasters
2 Sorin of House Markov
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
2 Profane Tutor
4 Soul Spike
2 Fell the Profane
3 March of Wretched Sorrow
4 Malakir Rebirth
3 Fatal Push
4 Necrodominance
1 Raucous Theater
1 Shadowy Backstreet
1 Takenuma, Abandoned Mire
4 Polluted Delta
1 Spymaster's Vault
6 Swamp
2 Bloodstained Mire
Side:
4 Dauthi Voidwalker
1 Tourach, Dread Cantor
4 Break the Ice
3 Force of Despair
1 Damping Sphere
2 Engineered Explosives
Tommi's Bant Nadu Decklist:
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2 Teferi, Time Raveler
1 Endurance
4 Nadu, Winged Wisdom
1 Outrider en-Kor
1 Thassa's Oracle
3 Springheart Nantuko
3 Delighted Halfling
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Arboreal Grazer
1 Haywire Mite
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Chord of Calling
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Shuko
1 Springleaf Drum
4 Urza's Saga
1 Lush Portico
1 Shifting Woodland
1 Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Boseiju, Who Endures
3 Khalni Garden
1 Hedge Maze
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Temple Garden
2 Breeding Pool
3 Windswept Heath
Side:
2 Endurance
1 Drannith Magistrate
1 Soulless Jailer
2 Force of Vigor
2 Dismember
1 Veil of Summer
2 The One Ring
1 Damping Sphere
1 Vexing Bauble
1 Soul-Guide Lantern
1 Boseiju, Who Endures
Game one shows why all the top PT decklists cut Thassa's Oracle, so you can instead win via complicated endurance loops with Sylvan Safekeeper and Otawara, Soaring City.
Yess
What’s the loop?
@@benjaminsouthworth5698 After you draw your deck, sacrifice all your lands with sylvan safekeeper (except maybe for yavimaya) and cast or evoke an endurance so that your graveyard becomes your library. Then, since almost your entire library is lands, you can repeat this to get an absurd amount of insects and mana. This truly goes infinite once your entire library is filled with exclusively lands and you bestow a springheart nantuko onto you endurance so that you can make copies of endurance whenever you want. Then, you have infinite mana, and can draw your deck as many times as you want, so each time you draw your deck, you use boseju or otowara on one of the opponents permanents. The result of this is that you bounce all of their creatures, destroy all their non-creature non-basic land permanents, and leave them only with the basic lands from boseju. Since you also get to do this loop at instant speed with bristly bill or outriders en kor, there is almost no scenario in which you don't win
@benjaminsouthworth5698 basically u stack it so endurance dies first so u are putting ottawara, other lands and itself back into your deck so your infinite Nadu triggers giving u infinite ottawara and boseju triggers so your opponent basically no lands left and everything else is bounced back to the hand. Mtggoldfish did a video of Nadu vs hogaak that did a good job showing it and explaining it if u find my explanation confusing.
@@benjaminsouthworth5698it’s extremely weird. You can functionally create infinite mana by sacrificing your lands to sylvan safekeeper and then shuffling them back in with endurance (bestowed with Nantuko to make copies of it), then you can do a complicated setup with Horizon Canopy/Waterlogged Grove *drawing* the Boseiju and Otawara to bounce/destroy all your opponents’ permanents (some of the Top 8 decks also played Wall of Roots to draw), and endurance yourself again to make sure you still have cards in library to not deck yourself.
This is not worth trying to do on Magic Online, you will lose to the clock if your opponent makes you play it out without Thassa’s Oracle. But in paper it’s technically better to not play thoracle.
Whoever thought "pay life, draw cards" was a good idea in a format with Sheo is just insane.
100% agreed
I never pictured myself cheering for the scam deck. But here we are. Great video!
The face you make at 4:45 made me laugh out loud. Sheer perfection!
Agreed. If there is ever a funniest moments compilation, then this moment has to be in it. 😂
Congrats on 20k you all! Cant wait to see what decks are being played at 100k
Modern horizons 4? Ahah
@@MengusWorkshop We'll all work hard to make sure the 100k celebration is Duskmourn prerelease 😉
Since I didn't see it, no, Sheoldred does not trugger from the T3feri -3, as she is out of play before the draw occurs. Very clean play from both sides, I always enjoy this content, regardless of format!
Yep if it was worded in the opposite order like "draw a card, return a permanent" you would take damage. But it happens in the order you read it so it's bounced then draw a card.
4:40 Necro would go into exile
No it doesn't, Boseiju doesn't exile.
@kornkobb420 Necrodominance's replacement effect still applies when it's being destroyed. It's just like blowing up a Rest in Peace, it goes into exile.
@@SANT14GO You're right, I was still blurry eyed when I commented. Had just woke up.
Super cool to see these decks explained a little more after watching the pro tour! Another amazing Mengu's Workshop veedeo :)
Alternate title:
404 page not found vs 404 page not found.
Great stuff, cheers Mengu and Tommi!
1:56 this is probably going to be the only time I am three steps ahead of Mengu.
Allready subscribed, liked and hit the bell icon. 😂
sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for next premodern video
Glad to see this channel showcase some Yugioh!
Congrats to the 20k. You both really deserve it, I truly like the style of the games and videos with all the explanations midgame. At least for me it created more interest in the formats again.
Also it was a pleasure to meet you personally in Amsterdam Mengu :)
Great games! Thank you Tommy for all your hard work and thanks Mengu for the peek into the workshop! 🎉🎉🎉
It was great to see these decks in action and see just how busted they are! Thanks again Andrea and Tommy
Modern was once my favourite format back in 2012/2013. But man, WotC's continueos push for selling more and more packs really makes me glad that i mostly play limited/cube these days.
A lot can change in 12 years 🤷
@@drakarrx weird that this change only started when wotc pushed for it, huh?
@@drakarrx
Things really just started to change with modern horizons tho.
Gotta sell packs
format was great until 2018-2019. After the first modern horizons set, things started to go downhill
28:00 shouldn't the Sheoldred have gotten 2 +1/+1 counters from the connive?
Yes!
The best paper magic channel posts again, keep it up!
Mengu what about seeing the Premodern decks you guys played in action? Can’t wait! 😃
Yeah! We plan that (we said that in the youtube shorts we made sunday night at the restaurant)
Yeah!
In game 1, tommi main phased boseiju on necro and Andrea drew the second necro in his draw step- he shouldve waited until andreas turn, as necro makes him skip his draw step
Bant Nadu, training wheels edition.
I love you play to the end and show how win cons work.
Don t we do that in this video?
Yeah, that’s why he says he loves it :) I also like it! You really learn a lot watching you play
There was missing a "I love *that* you..." to understand it properly :D
In game 3 you miss the +1/+1 counters on Sheoldred throigh the connive
I love this channel! If you guys want to do more pro tour best decks I would love that!
The idea of a gauntlet would be cool too! Seeing hogak vs Eldrazi vs splinter twin
Only non native English speakers can truly appreciate your play on words Mengu! It's a " I made it" moment each time we make one up! 🤣
Love you and Tommy! Your games are always so much fun to watch!
I love mh sets because of the brewing potential, but a bunch of people seem to hate them. maybe you guys can do a mh-less modern video to give these people a starting point to play mh-less modern? Plus, it sounds like a fun brewing video!
It's because MH throws in a bunch of obviously broken cards that just need to be put into a shell. It's cool to have brewers cards, but Nadu isn't one. Nadu is a binary card, either its broken or its not worth playing.
For some reason players don't like powerful cards anymore.
Your new intro jingle is on point. Nice
Awesome video guys, keep doing it! Cheers!
0 2 token and Endurance token 😂 you're next artists of the wizzy ❤
Both of those decks seem so miserable to play against! You guys drove the content though, making up for the OP nature of the cards! Good work!
OP is fun tho... And I play Dimir Death shadow not very OP at all but still very fun.. Trying out mockingbird in the deck has been pretty good. But I do like the wildnees of Nadu and necro too lol. MTG is just a fun game. Modern 4eva.
Game one could've bisejou in opponent main phase so they skip their draw step (Andrea drew necro a turn earlier because of this) I don't know if it would've changed the outcome but something for people to keep in mind.
Not trying to criticize tommi but it's like lightning bolt tarmogoyf moments that once you see and realize you don't make it again
La faccia di Mengu che pesca la seconda Necrodominance non ha prezzo
Stupendo! Ahah
I got out a long time ago but its fun to see what latest broken thing Wizards printed by accident lol. Seems to happen every year
Fantastic video, thank you so much for providing amazing content!
I really wish Wizards would give up on trying to "fix" Necropotence.
Personally I think necrodominance isn't going to get banned, the deck has a limit to what it can do, unlike Nadu
Great video! I was laughing when you ran out of insect tokens 😂
The editing showing cards in hand is really awesome! But instead of the "404" graphic when the hand is unknown/large it might be better just to hide the graphic. It might be less distracting that way. Though I guess then it would look like there's no cards in hand 😅 maybe there's no good solution..
I didn't see necrodominance in action until now but damn, It has to feel soo good jajajaja im eager to come back playing paper Magic ^^
Connive also gives counters!
It feels alot like legacy watching modern modern lol.
First Time Watching these vidéo. Damn mengu putting some hard work its amazing. Keep it up great quality video
Magic, the way it was intended
Non deterministic combo wincons are always banworthy even if they aren't that dominant, they're just way too miserable to play against. Nadu just happens to be broken too.
Is there a reason in game 1 why you cast Soul Spike before drawing from Necro? Great games by the way!
Fact that nadu hasn't been banned yet is honestly a embarrassment for wizards. Also fury got banned for Grief's sins but its still not Nadu
Very entertaining and just awesome! Thank you!
Tells you to swap grave and exile
Immediately starts pitching cards to the graveyard for Soul Spike multiple times.
Switching grave and exile is a good idea in theory, doesn't seem to reduce confusion in practice...
Modern is an Eternal format? Nah, rotating format now lmao
Yeaahhh
Yeah… i really wish for a format without mh sets
@abusus75 there's always pioneer or pre-modern... or Standard. Or Vintage. Vintage technically has MH cards but it also just has way more powerful stuff.
Force of Vigor radically changed Vintage
its the way the creator of modern wanted it to go, and i personally like it. But if you don't, what's stopping you from playing old school modern or even just modern without mh3 sets? I'm sure this sentiment is popular enough you could get a decent amount of people to play it with you
Thumbnail be like:
Nadu, Necrodominance, Mengu-shuko
4:47 Thoughtseize bug IRL!
I knew, intellectually, why people hated Nadu, but seeing it played was a whole new level. That was disgusting.
Great video! Thank you!
Da formato più bello a formato più osceno.
La macchietta del Legacy.
i know nadu is gonne be banned but modern looks soo cool!! but maybe its just bc these guys are so nice
Why didn't tommi let mengu skip his draw step and boseiju the necro before end step?
Time stamps?
4:40 - you can boseiju the necrodominance here prior to draw step, but you will give mengu another mana with the boseiju fetch (you can't do it during draw step because, well, that step is skipped, and the last possible time before you would get to the end step is the postcombat main phase, which means mengu still gets to use the mana)
I agree I think boseiju but letting them skip the draw step is probably best
really good veedeo mengu!
Mengu I will always watch your videos because they’re incredible but modern - and formats using mh3 cards in general - are just so unexciting to watch at this point. Can we see more pauper or premodern or vintage? Even pioneer is more enjoyable.
Connive should have given Sheoldred 2 +1/+1 counters right?
Necro isn’t ban worthy Nadu Is
Commenting for the algorithm gods
Hooray!!
Should boseiju necrodominance in mengu draw step, sl mangu dosnt have a draw that turn
Mono nero mazzo vero 🎉
I hope they ban Nadu; the pro tour was a pain to watch. Too many Nadu mirror matches.
Didn't nadu decks remove oracle?
There is something funny about profane tutoring a basic land.
Why Thoracle
Will you two handsome young men be commentating Tommy's pre modern games from this weekend?
I wish
Love you mengu and tommi
I doubt it they created them, probably knowing they would exist. Hell, it was all in the same set
Like before watching as always!
Question: In a mirror like Nadu vs Nadu, how much is it luck, how much is it skill and how much who goes first?
I think that if both players know how to play the deck than its mostly luck and also depends a LOT of who goes first
Die roll is huge but post sb you definitely have a lot of tools to fight opp with disenchant and removals
@@user-ie2gc7xs7l That's what I understood from watching the Pro Tour Top 8.
This right here just shows one of the core reasons why Nadu needs to be banned. With a clearly HUGE speedup, the combo still took almost 5 minutes to pull off. This easily would have been 10+ minutes in real time. There's no reason any deck should have a 10+ minute turn.
cool 🎉🎉
GG.
Praise the algorithm! Praise the bird!
everyone is sleeping on the actual best deck in modern, who wants to play with Tucan Sam whos been on a drug Binge???? Step away from the bird and join me in playing some Izzet Prowess, the eternal best deck of modern, deck never stops getting better lol that's the joy of being in the best 2 colors in MTG. Silliness aside its actually very well positioned right now and and it has some really good hate cards for the meta decks, and a fast clock to get under the slower eldrazi n tron stuff
Ban shoku ban soul spike
modern now a days is insane. having to cheat card advantage like that in starting turn 3 is too early. in old days they banned cards because magic is supposed to be turn 3 format and if you can win consistently in turn 3 that card will get banned. but even if these cards wont get you auto win in turn 3, it feels like it once its on the battlefield.
Hello.
I appreciate you making him play it out. Nadu players need to suffer ;D
25:00 why not bestow sheoldred to stabilize?
can also bestow grief to race but bestowing sheoldred turns off necro topdeck
bestow can only make copy of creature you control
@@charlman4944 that makes more sense, thank you
19:55 you think this sh*t is perfectly fun and balanced, WOTC?
The True Scam XD
I think Necrodominance needs to be banned also along with Nadu. Do you think so also Mengu?
God Nadu seems so boring to play against.
Modern is just miserable now.
pls ban the bird, ty
New decks! Too bad they are op lol
Been loving the paper magic videos especially the modern videos! Im new to Modern and I've been binge watching the murktide sunday veedeos :D Would love to see you play murktide in paper!