Kove 450 Rally Pro vs KTM 450 Rally: Dakar Pro Mason Klein Weighs In!
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2023
- Very few riders ever get the honor of throwing a leg over a real rally motorcycle, let alone racing one at Dakar, Sertoes, AND Thousand Dunas, but Mason Klein has! He is also one of the few people on this earth to have ridden both the KTM 450 Rally and the Kove 450 Rally Pro. The young and immensely talented pro gives his honest thoughts on the two bikes, Dakar 2024, and more in this homebrew interview!
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Guys, I sincerely apologize for all the Kove content. I've gotten too many comments from old friends who are tired of hearing about Kove. I've been excited about the bike for a long time. I firmly believe that it has the potential to change dual sport as we know it, and I'm stoked for Mason at the Dakar. But frankly, I'm tired of talking about it, too. I'm tired of talking about horsepower and specs and all the other BS that other channels cover so much better. Not just on the Kove, but on any motorcycle. I don't care about motorcycles anymore. I care about *riding* them. I care about the *people* on them. CZcams has become a soulless dong waving competition, and now the "promote" button means it's pay to win, and I won't pay. When it comes to motorcycles, you can have fun on a Hawk 250, you can have fun on a KTM Rally Replica. Who cares which one you're on as long as YOU are having fun? I'm so tired of CZcams. So tired of social media in general. It's toxic. I plan on reinventing the channel with a focus on mental health, and even though those videos utterly bomb, I hope it has the potential to help somebody. That's what I'm about. Not about which motorcycle strokes your ego... but about *people* and what motorcycles do to *connect* us... not pull us apart.
I don't think you understand how much these videos help people's mental health already.
Absolutely...people over product..I just rode with a group of older guys at a new offroad park here in Texas...we never really talked about motorcycle brand..it was all about the trails and stories and fun..without our internal joy and care for each other the bikes don't matter. As a veteran thank you for sharing about your mental heath challenges. Love ya brother 😊
Eh it seems to be a small minority that have a stick up their arse. Do want you want. You helped change my mind on Chinese bikes. I used to hate them like everyone else. I now own a CFmoto 800 Ibex and really want to get either a Lifan KPX or a GPX FSE 250 E.
They've come a long way and so have you.
Too many other channels focus on the BS like the TransAlp because they go off of polls, you go off of your gut and that has brought you further than them tbh. It makes you a better person tbh.
I actually like the Kove, but it comes across as shilling.
Always watch your videos. Keep up the great content.
It was a massive honor to spend the day with you guys.🤘🏻🤘🏻 epic job on the video.
Also
Don’t forget watch nbc sports
The Dakar will be on tv for 2 weeks set everything to record. It’s going to be epic.
I was following you last year, classic to finish first, first you must finish, and a lot of people that never done it think of it just as a sprint race but longer, there is so much that goes into it and being so far from everything intensified the feeling.
Have fun out there.
Good luck!
Good luck Mason! You got this. Bring the Dakar trophy home bro!
Great interview!! On top of your game yet down to earth. Best of luck!!
@@wobblysauce thanks dude
Keep making the videos YOU want. Whether you do or don’t, they will judge you anyhow. Appreciate you Tyler.
Wish Mason all the best and hope that Kove can be successful!
Amazing. 22 and on his third Dakar--wow. This was a great, informative video.
I love seeing how much Mason has matured both as a rider and young dude. I think he was a shy 17 or 18 "kid" when I first met him (and he left me in the dust chasing him and Skyler across the Mojave). Absolutely stoked for him and I know he is destined for great success. We'll be watching every second of Dakar and supporting him all the way 🤘
this is a huge video for KOVE, bravo to you, I think a lot of people are keeping tabs on this bike and to know from a racer that it is competitive to KTM
It's not like reliability could be worse 😂
Mason has an amazing future ahead of him, He has the experience to know what to expect, he has the mechanical knowledge to know what he can and cant push on the bike. most importantly he is humble and realistic about his goals, which can be rare not just in motorcycle racing but across all motorsport. you can see it in his eyes, he has what it takes
Stoked for Mason!
MINE FINALLY CAME!!! I’ve had it a week now and am loving it. Massively. Go Mason!
A company that actually try to build a relatively affordable rally bike for the people. China or not, this is a rider like us that wanted to create a Rally bike and he did it + plus finished the first Dakar with multiple bikes. It's a no ego, organic branding exercise, no multimillion dollar PR stunts. They are pushing it out the door and letting owners and the bike speak for itself. I like it.
And... everyone that says no to Chinese products, go empty your house.
facts
Very interested in the Dakar. Great video. Good luck to Mason.
Awesome stuff!! Just ordered the standard version. Should be here later this week 🤞. Don't listen to the naysayers. Make the content you want to make. 🤟🤙
I hear you. Social media sucks. Glad to here your recovering decency from your crash.
I like the Kove content. I loke that a manufacturer is trying to build the best bike possible at a reasonable price instead of a "good enough" bike that is ridiculously over priced. I bought a new AJP PR7 for less money than a new KTM 300cc two-stroke...the 300 is an excellent dirt bike, but it is stupid expensive for a weekend toy.
Awesome video! Rooting for Mason and Kove!!!
Your content and channel is top notch. Highlighting and helping bring much needed support and attention to Mason Klein is a great thing for you to do and I believe most of your fans/subscribers see this and also support you in this. Kove is exciting and is a game changer and you are helping shed light on this. But people don’t like change and I think that is what you are up against. I am Mason’s next door neighbor he (and his brother) are solely responsible for getting my 11 yr old into dirt bikes, not only helping with riding tips but also maintenance on my son’s bike!
They are a great family and he is a super talented rider (his brother is no slouch winning the Baja 1000 this year)
I appreciate this video, keep up the good work - content creation is not easy. Let’s see how high Mason can climb on his Kove. It’s going to be a fun ride watching him compete.
Thanks Rich🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Good luck Mason!! I’ve said it before, Kove will hopefully motivate the big four Japanese brands can make a 450-500 street legal rally bike
They will...for 18.000 USD
@@MERMBRAMAthat’s way better than KTMs 450 factory replica rally’s for 35-40k
@@myturn9745 and much worse than Kove 450 rally. And as far as i am familiar with components on Japanese bikes in past years, you won't get a true rally bike.
IMO Kove should have built a standard street legal dual sport instead of a Dakar model. And maybe 500cc.
@@mxbadboy263 well it has. You have a standard 450 rally, street legal. And check for new Kove 800x comming. The lightest middle adventure bike on market. Wet weight is the same, as t7 dry! And it has a central fuel tank, which makes even lower COG
Love the content! My family and a lot of Americans went to war with Japanese and Germans. Doesn’t stop all these Karen’s from riding bikes made by em. Then they get they’re panties in a bunch over Chinese bikes lmao!!! Keep up the content. I’m gonna pick up a Kove as soon as CA approves em.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
To be honest I really miss the old drz400 days of Everide, when it wasn't all about the bike, just the ride and the scenery. I still go back and watch alot of those old videos because the production and scenery were epic. I literally loaded up our bikes in '21 and made the trek from the eastern US to Utah to ride for my son's graduation present because of some of those earlier episodes. No problem though, interests and obligations change, I get it. But, I do want to say thank you for those videos that left such an impact on me.
He brought all the negatively on himself. He did become a shrill and he was making $250 each time someone bought Kove through his affiliate link. This happens to most of the motorcycle reviewers on CZcams. Dork in the road has become a total sell out.
@@mxbadboy263I've noticed that lately as well, especially with the Transalp 750.
@@slowlane7822 And before these bikes it was the Norden 901.
Tyler's channel is hands down the best source of motorcycle riding encouragement!! Keep up the Kove content, I stop my day to watch when you pop a video. I'm so excited about getting on a Kove. Go Mason!!!! I'll be supporting and watching. Did I mention the Kove?
I found it really interesting, and will be watching the Dakar with interest, go mason dont listen to the haters there is loads if interest in the kove i own one myself
Thanks for the video Tyler. I really new nothing about how these big rallies worked. Keep up the conent. Your doing good. Focus on you and your family and take care of us last.
Awesome interview, I just subbed to you and mason, to follow in the Dakar etc. I subbed you because of your no BS approach, and dislike for social media, the way it is going. Just ride the bikes and enjoy them. And Mental health issues, I think a lot of us have them but our ego's get in the road of talking about them, great that you're sharing. 👍👍
I really love this video! Mason is such a nice person and really authentic. It’s only about riding. Exactly what it should be. Keep going!
That was a great watch thanks! Keep pumping out videos on things you like!
Mason should be very proud of his efforts in his dakar efforts to date.
To keep up with the really fast guys at that age is a very good effort.
Good luck next year.
Oh, go TP87🇦🇺
Thanks dude
Very interested in the Kove! Hope u win the dakar on it!
As usual. Another great video!! Wish him the best
Getting our first bikes in Pakistan Q2. Your videos have been very helpful in making the decisions
Awesome vid. Good luck Mason!!
That was great !
Thanks Good luck in the Dakar
I've been writing in the comments in all the Kove reviews that Kove needs to partner with an experienced Privateer. I'm glad to see that someone at Kove apparently saw my advice and decided to follow it. In his first Dakar he finished top ten. Last year he won a stage and was running top 10 before crashing out. I hope Kove gives him enough support to equal or better his previous results.
Had you published this video a month or two sooner, we could have started a Go Fund Me to cover those expenses for him that he said he didn't have enough money to pay.
Another great video! Stoked to see how @rallywithmason makes out. Go get em!
All the best for this young man!
Great interview Mason is amazing on a bike ! Very interesting listening to his view on the Kove. Nice one 🇬🇧
That was so cool , great job!
I love to watch everything about kove, rally and Dakar... To find out what it takes for dakar is soooo good and fun... Big fan of that rally...
Keep the vids up man, we're just having fun here and enjoy your content. Looking at this from the outside in, looks like you've become a rather large 'face' for the Kove and that can be heavy, can feel like the criticism is on you when folks talking the bike.
Plus this vid was just as much on Mason/rallying which is a unique form of riding that, as crazy as it is for me, Kove bikes being in the Dakar has kinda got me more into that form of riding. Keep on keepin on (and riding on) man. Hoping I can make one of your rallys next year.
Everide: Merry Christmas to you and your family. Tyler, thanks for the content in 2023. I know you have struggled with health issues this year both physical and otherwise. Hang in there because the world needs you to smile into the camera even while you are hurting. I look forward to more videos in 2024 and this is not possible if you quit. Thanks
Very cool episode. I’ll be pulling for Mason and the team at Dakar for sure.
Great interview, very informative. I will for sure be following him during the race. Be very interesting to see how the Kove does.
Great to hear from you...
Great vid. Thanks.
*the bike i’m racing is a bike you can buy*
Say it all really. !!
Thanks for covering the story of Mason Klein and the Kove sponsorship.
Mason has been my guy for the past couple of years I wil be following him again this year he a local guy for me go Mason good luck
Thanks man I really appreciate it 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I for one love the Kove content! great hearing from Mason about his progress. BTW I would pay $10,000 to be able to ride like Mason for 10 minutes.
best of luck young man !
Hey Tyler,
I can tell you've gotten a lot of mixed feedback on the Kove videos. Personally I'll preface this by saying I'm not a chinese bike hater or a Kove hater. I do think sometimes these videos can feel more like an advertisement but I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. I think this video talking to Mason is pretty cool. It's cool to hear from somebody like him. I think I'd like to see more videos of you and your buddies just going out and riding. You can absolutely be on the Kove or whatever bike you want, but I think the focal point should be the riding rather than the bike and I think that'll make it feel less like an ad.
Also I will say this about these Chinese bikes. I'm really into dual sport and adventure riding. It's absolutely my favorite hobby and it's what I'm passionate about. The thing that really sucks is I'm 21 years old. Everyone I meet who is into this sport is usually 10+ years older than me, higher if it's just adventure riding. There's nothing wrong with this of course, I don't mind hanging out with and chatting with people older than me. But realistically it does make it hard for me to make friends who ride. Maybe it's just because people my age are usually into enduro or MX or just dirt bikes exclusively.
But the cost of entry is almost certainly a factor. This hobby can be pretty expensive, especially to those who just don't have the information on how a cheap DRZ or DR650 is enough. I appreciate how some of these chinese bikes lower that cost to entry factor, and I appreciate how there's some level of quality to some of the Chinese brands. I'm more than happy to acknowledge that if a newbie buys a chinese bike and it shits the bed, that's probably going to turn them away from the hobby. But at least they'd get a chance to try it. I appreciate that if I was in the position to, I could get a Hawk 250 and let my friends who don't ride try it and I wouldn't have to worry too much about them wrecking.
This problem is only amplified with adventure riding. Adventure bikes are so expensive, and the target market of a lot of them is that 50-54 age range. These people usually have a lot of buying power and are fine with paying the premium. The average college age person is not going to be spending $500 on a luggage system, or $15k on an adventure bike. So I appreciate it when people show off the more budget options. The Kove 450 may not exactly be budget, but specs relative to price seems pretty fair, especially if you compared it to a 701 with a rally kit or something similar.
Writing this turned more into a rant than I intended, but it's all to simply say, I don't think showing off Kove is exactly the problem, in fact I think it's good to show the more budget options in the space. I think it can just come off as more of an advertisement than you intend. I think shifting towards videos of just riding and exploring, and maybe you're on a Kove in those videos, maybe you're not, could be a better approach.
Michael
I feel your pain. I started adv riding at 24 years old. All of my riding friends were at least 5-10 years older than me. I rode a DR650 for about 5 years and then went to a DRZ400. I'm 39 now and only just starting to have the budget to get something like a fully adventure ready KTM 790 or T7, Taureg, etc. But you know what, I'd take a Kove 450 over all of them, and not just because of slightly lower price, but for the capability, specs and performance and less need to adventurize it.
I quit racing at 18
And here I am now.
Dual sport riding is what brought me to rally it’s so crazy but here we are. The only reason I even do Dakar is because it lets me see the world at my own pace with a bunch of my new friends.🤘🏻
My son is 21 as well and if wasn’t for my ability to provide my fatherly help he’d struggle in the endeavor even more. So you are far from alone.
Have you ridden 450 rally? If not,try it. You will see the whole picture then.
@MERMBRAMA I've not ridden it. I have no issues with the 450 rally and I think it's a cool bike.
Why can’t we get Mason a Honda ride with the two other Yankees? Good luck Klein, send er’ hard 🏜️🏁✊🏼
Great interview!
Thanks eveRide. Great content.
My 2c worth. Any Dakar without MKlein and BCox from ZAF ain't worth watching. Never seen 2 riders upset the factory teams like those 2. Keep it pinned I say. Thanks Kove for keeping this champ in Dakar.
Almost time Mason! Show those factory guys whats up. Fingers crossed you pull a stage win on the Kove.
Awesome video! I hope this kid does well.
Good Luck Mason!
That Mason seems like a real down to earth guy. I hope he wins and doesn’t get any major injury.
Harith nova is an Indian rally racer. Winning a stage podium. Excellent partnership.
This is massive for Kove. huge props for backing an underdog.
he seems very mature for his age at least more than me, with 54.
I hope he wins.
power on 450s MX, I tried one last week, it was great, plenty power but the 250 two Stroke that I tried once impressed me more,
I got a DRZ 400 that I bought because of everide to replace my old XR that was broken.
I like the bike, for I replace this bike it could be a KTM 690 but then again it's a KTM and I don't trust it.
I guess I will be waiting for a new Suzuki DRZ 600, or any new japanese similar to the 690.
I don't like the lines of the kove, they are not appealing to me and for me the lines count, I sure like a bike that is good but good to the eyes too, like for example the Yamaha WR 450 or any Japanese bike like that, or ktm.
I don't like fairings on Enduro bikes or dual sport bikes.
I have been training without a rally tower on my Kove it is really nice when you can actually see in front of you.😂
Be safe out there Mason , good luck!
Hey @eveRide, I can’t think of better man than you to go follow Mason to Dakar and make the story. It will be a big hit in the moto community.
he is a good kid.... he will be on top in a few years.
Mason have speedy recovery. Very interesting info
Mason needs to be PAID by Kove as a factory rider.
Best of luck Mason, '"rubber side down" brother. God be with you. 💪🏻✝️🙏🏾💥💯🐞
I got to test ride the Kove for New Years. I agree with Mason about the Kove power. I like it. Fueling is good. It lugs 2nd just fine. It never burps or farts or hickups when im in the wrong gear at the wrong revs. And it rewards you when you do it right. I love my wr250r and the kove power band feels the same shape as that. I hopped on and felt right at home.
I have 20L of fuel on my wr250r and it feels much heavier then the kove because the weight is up so much higher.
In the dirt i loved the gearbox. But on the street i did wish 5th and 6th were a bit taller. Geared 13/51 it was really nice at 65mph and id love that to be 75mph.
Ill get a kove one day with the optional luggage rack and some giant loop siskiyou panniers, A BDR slayer
+1 on the kickstand being pushed down into rocks. I’ve broke several gpx kickstands. Rips the plastic foot off cuz size 13 boots push the kickstand down and then it hits everything
The Kove looks great love the fact it’s affordable for normal people.
What a golden boy!
and the first time a Kove has a real rider the bike breaks, sorry Mason you need to find a team worthy of your skill
I think we will be hearing more from this young man
love the bike...q great bike to start rally racing.
I keep waiting to see a Kove video of the bike blowing up and stuff breaking, other than some bones, but this thing seems to hold together.
"Secret location" somewhere between St George Utah and Las Vegas Nevada.
Loved the video @everide. Thanks for covering things your passionate about . I think your a great story teller and videographer. You could put out great content on anything your passionate about.
YT content for money sounds like a rough game after listening to @dorkintheroad talk about it. Internalizing less positive comments would make it even rougher.
Take care of yourself and keep healing so you can get some ride therapy in.
4:53 imagine chilling in the middle of the desert and than this guy comes along😅
Hey, seems like the link is broken? I’m going to check out the Kove at a local dealer soon!
Its not so much Kove vs ktm as it is they won't give us what we want.
Amen to your pinned first comment ;-) But still one question. Mason is 1,85m , but when riding on the bike around eg. 10 min mark his legs are quite cramped compared to other videos with Kove and tall (even taller guys). Is it because he was testing different peg positions as he talked in that part or is it because that Rally Pro (Factory, whatever) is having them placed so differently compared to regular version? Thanks a lot for info and your time
i watch your channel from Greece cause is fun to see small companies to bit Goliath.....i plan to buy next martch Kove Rally cause is cute to my eyes and i see carefull your videos and other too and i am more close to my goal......only one question what type for oil changes recomment Mason? and how many km with one tank fulling.thank you a lot
I use motorex because they support me in my training and I do believe it is good for the bike.🤘🏻
At my speed you can get like 200km per tank but on the road maybe it’s closer to almost 400. It really depends on your riding style and terrain but generally it goes really far
thank you man for the quik responce,all the best for Dakar rally@@rallywithmason
I know right now kove it’s not going to win a Dakar but I think mason is going to win one or two stages. The bike is so good but it need more development. Good content 💪
If the bike he gets is as good as the factory bike was last year, he should be top 10 and maybe a podium. It all depends on whether the Chinese can suck up their ego and give him a bike good enough to beat their own riders.
@@briangc1972well, only two of 6 riders are allowed to ride on new 450 EX models. Which are faster,lighter,stronger than 2023 models
Mason is one of them
@@briangc1972 I think Kove only cares about winning. That could change in the future but i believe they picked Mason because he is a winner and they are giving him their fastest bike..
@@inrptn That is basically what I said I hoped they would do.
KOVE link not working??
Ahh I remember this guy from the ItchyBoots USA series.
What class is he racing in? I liked the content of this part of Dakar you don’t here about thanks Everide😊😊
I race in “Rally GP”
Unfortunately i saw your video just today (today is the 2nd day of Dakar and mr. Klein is holding decent 3rd place overall). I am totally with him and hope that everything will work out for him. Also, listening the financial side of the story ... i would indeed like to make my small contribution to mr. Klein team efforts - is there some company or bank account or.... how could i support his journey? I would really appreciate if you could let me know! Thank you!
Just saw that masons bike blew up at Dakar, and is out.
Who is that Indian TVS - Sherco racer ?
All about new brands but with his mechanical issues in the last few days. Would have to say he would be on the podium if he were on japanese or the Austrian bike
“It’s all about money” …”it’s not about the money “ …” I don’t want to say I’m not getting paid “ . Sounds complicated
Well we saw how that went, he's riding for Honda .
So which is it? Kove or Kov-aye
I believe I heard Zhang Xue, the CEO call it Ko-vay in a press conference.
I say Kove
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bro, you(mason) are all over chinese media now after winning 3rd place in stage 1
So is it Kove or Kove? idk how to pronounce it meow.
Ford vs Ferrari? Hardly lol
Around 3:50 you can watch Tyler get divorced.
Would someone please set up a go fund me, for Mason Klein.
Kove must pay pretty well if people are making so many "rave" videos about it. Maybe I'll hit them up and see how much they'd pay a former semi-pro MX, enduro, and supermoto rider to pilot one of their bikes
It could be s reseller spiff, or it could just be “the new thing” content, but maybe some really like it and are just excited.
Honestly I have just been totally honest and when you ride these bikes it really is hard to not say good things about them.
I agree. You get on one and feel at home. easy to ride.... and easy to ride fast
Well Kove is for sure not paying me. Low key road driver from central Europe. But was waiting for such bike for years. No one else is doing it, only Kove so well already waiting for one. Followed them nearly from day one and was hoping. Then friends bought Zontes and had no problems during 3 years (while KTMs around were dying like flies 😀). Honda with CRF300 Rally seemed to get close, but then crap suspension and low performance arrived and was another nono (but bought their ADV 350 which is great)
So it is pretty easy. And as Mason said, but you can see that yourself in any racing every vendor have troubles. Same public with enduro riding on KTMs and such. If they are so bulletproof and not "crap" as people pointing against China then why people spend so much money on parts for them? ;-) I do not see any other mark making something similar. Fantic or KTM replica are in completely different price category like is Kove 450 EX. Not any of those 3 is normal bike for regular public and most of them will not be able to use potential of those so having some "detuned" version of the same makes perfect sense even from business perspective. That's where Kove hit the nail on the head hard and everyone else is just in shock out of that.
Yeah you guys with the low rainfall and lack of trees have a ball..here on the east coast, the trails are washed out, we had 70 " of rain last year, overgrown pricklers all over and trees down every week....yeah have fun out there out west, here off road's a joke and you're a criminal for trespassing subject to misdemeanors and worse, seizure of the bike. You'd drop your rally bikes every 50 ft with the washouts, mud etc. and scratch the cosmetics even if you don't with all the invasive rose bushes. Yeah so have a good one...
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