The difference between Christianity and Judaism Jordan Peterson
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2022
- The profound professor appears in a discussion with Ben A. Shapiro where he discusses the inherent differences between Christianity and Judaism. The esteemed philosopher Jordan B. Peterson makes brilliant points that Ben Shapiro seemingly agrees with.
I wish shorts always had links to the long-form version
It's not that difficult cos you just have to link the video that you downloaded and edited for which you need the link of the video. But for some reason... there's rarely any link.
It’s so frustrating ain’t it…especially when the next short is a human being in a dog mask claiming to be a wolf….
I think it is an automatic failure on the short channel's part for not linking it. Keep shaming them into doing their job properly.
Until then here is the link: czcams.com/video/1opHWsHr798/video.html
@@DJC3PO thanks!
I love the way that Ben is civil when his religious belief is discussed by someone that doesn’t share it. And of course Dr. Peterson is once again displaying his unbelievably high level thinking.
High level thinking? Why so?
Jordan is clueless when it comes to religion, and he seems to think that modern day Jews are virtuous. He's a Zionist, or he sides with Zionism, and he's making money from aligning with them as well.
Your niave
There are plenty of Jews who are happy to sit down for this kind of conversation. Until today there were not many Christians who tried to talk to Jews at eye level, they always talked about Judaism and not with the Jews.
@@user-bj7kt9vm2c boohoo
That's actually one of the main reasons the Jews did not (and still not) acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah. Because they were (and still are) waiting for a "political" Messiah and Jesus identified himself as a spiritual one, claiming the Kingdom of the Heavens and not the Kingdom of Israel.
Many Jewish persons accept Jesus as Messiah.
@@torbreww No, they don’t.
@@torbreww You are right. When I said "Jews" I meant the religious group more specifically, not the whole etnicity. Messianic Jews are a thing.
@@chrislaz111 I’m friends with a messianic Jew, very similar to Christianity since they believe Jesus was the Christ
@@jawill-2396 yes, it's an amalgamation of both dogmas.
I love the way Jordan changes his posture when Ben encourages him to have this "Dangerous" conversation ❤️❤️❤️ muh heart
😂🤣
Sometimes dangerous conversations need to be had. Ben trusts jp enough to give him time to talk. And hopefully to listen also
Shapiro never encouraged anything he just sat there stupid like a caveman would when confronted with the time machine.
Why is it dangerous I’ll tell you why because they the Jewish community knows for a fact that they are the synagogue of satan facts f your holocaust
Both men are an example that these conversations can be had with much respect on both sides.
peterson never ceases to amaze me with his thoughts.
They both give respect where respect is deserved and don't give respect when it is underserved. Kudos to them.
I've seen Peterson give a lot of undeserved respect.
Thats what TRUE Intellectual discussion sounds like.
I like how excited he got when he realized Ben wanted to have that dangerous convo he's never had a chance to have.
What do you mean by 'thats', what do you mean by 'what', what do you mean by 'true', what do you by 'intellectual', what do you mean by 'discussion', what do you mean by 'sounds', what do you mean by 'like'.
Have you watched jordan peterson and Mohammed Hijab?
That’s exactly right and I don’t behave my way into heaven I behave correctly because Im grateful for having a personal relationship with Christ…
That’s an important distinction that most people don’t understand.
I did a year and a half as a Pentecostal, and in that time, I didn’t see Jesus as some unapproachable figure that I had to reach through priests.
I saw Him as my best friend who shared my sense of humor and love for everything in the Universe. However, he was a friend that did nobody any wrong and was punished for all the wrongs that I did. It hurt to see him on the cross. So, I STROVE to be perfect so that he had fewer of my failings to be punished for; not so that I would be perfect.
Moreover, striving to emulate Him meant that I could be that much stronger to help others with some of their burdens, but not strong enough for ALL of their burdens. That was how I created opportunities to explain how I saw Jesus: not as a Savior, but as a friend.
Being Saved was a consequence of being His friend FIRST. That’s what acceptance is. That’s what every child strives for: acceptance; to have friends. The ONLY way to be saved was to ACCEPT Jesus.
Amen. Out of response of love.
Amen brother 💙 definitely agree. May god bless and keep you 🙏🏼
I wish I could talk to people like this
You can
You can
A good step is finding a location to which minds like this frequently gather
Next is to familiarise yourself with some people there
Then have conversations to learn and educate others
@@ghosttheprogram6973 In which kinds of places do these people gather? (Honestly asking)
Morally you can. Some of us are not mentally fast enough to present a forensic challenge on this stage. Be fun to try though. Both men are pleased to knock you off the log without personal assault.
I love watching JP finding a subject he can open up in worthy company. Must have been like this watching Mozart writing.
Go to pretty much any cigar shop and there are people sitting there, puffing on cigars, talking about things just like this pretty much any time or day.
When these two talk , I have to have a dictionary next to me. And also Tylenol.
😆😆😆
🤣😂
I feel the same 🤣
I cannot over-state how much joy it brings me to see two such significant intellects having discussions about such highly-contentious material (this is just a snippet). No screaming or talking over one another, genuinely listening to the argument, actually considering it. This used to be much more common. Today, it is almost non-existent. Makes me feel better knowing that there are still thoughtful, learned men in the world.
These two together...I could listen for hours...this short clip was such a tease!!
This man is one of the deepest thinkers of our time...
The difference is kinda obvious when you compare. I think you get hypnotized by his language which is very academic and that gives the illusion that it is a complex idea. But it's very simple perception to us who study different religious systems.
I really want to see the full version of this.
Love this conversation, brilliant.
It’s accurate but incomplete. Judaism has nothing to do with a salvation narrative.
Cut off too soon. Need a little further explanation
Men like Peterson and Shapiro are like those great philosophers of early human world history that we used to read about in school.
Hahahahahahahhh
How lucky are we , that we can listen in.
What advantages does Shapiro have except speaking fast and winning debates against 18 y.o. students? Just curious
@@anisrajabov1725 Imo, logic and rationale
@@senioraces wow I guess I'm also one of those great philosophers you read about then. Can you name some real property that would make him a philosopher?
My 2 favorite speakers in the same room. I Love Both of them
The more people that Jordan speaks to the smarter he gets the smarter we get….
Two people with common sense in the same room that’s almost never heard of! It’s definitely a red letter day!
I’d love to see this discussion in its entirety. I have great respect for both of these men.
Please the whole version please
I'm fairly sure you'll find it on The Daily Wire. It's a subscription channel, but I've found it well worth the monthly cost since it has an excellent group of regular contributors, news, broad topics and now they're making movies and also content for youth to fill the space open from people who fled Disney when they went so woke they were basically grooming kids.
It's on Dave Rubin's chanel 'the Rubin Report'
It's honestly astonishing how many Jews are still waiting for a Messiah who's already come and paid the price they're waiting for. Christianity owes its very existence to Judaism, so I have a deep respect for Israel and her people. That said, it seems to me that if the Jews would compare the prophecies about the Messiah to the life of Jesus, they'd find an uncanny amount of similarities. There's no historical doubt that Jesus of Nazareth existed, so the next step is to study his life, compare it to chapters like Isaiah 53 and meditate on what those similarities mean. I just hope that God's Chosen People all find the completion of their faith someday. I'd love to be able to have a conversation like this someday!
Messianic Jews like myself belief Jesus is the Messiah and that he died on the cross for our sins I recently converted from a Christian to a messianic Jew once I learned of my Jewish Heritage and ancestry
Jordan Peterson is one of the bravest intellects in the world today. I greatly respect both of these men...for different reasons, and I love that they're able to have a calm discussion. A very rare thing these days!
Juat one of the most active on social media who loves rhe spotlight and controversy. Most of the best intellects aren't in it for fame and money.
How does he get more handsome with age☺️
He changed his diet. Last I heard, he eats only beef salt and water.
*The difference is the belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Belief in Christ is Salvation!*
Jesus was a conman
@Yosef Patel Mary was the vessel to grow and nurture the Son of God. Jesus even denies her and his stepbrothers as family, saying every person who believes in Him is his mother, brother and sister. He and the Father are one
@Yosef Patel you need to repent and turn back to the one true God, Jehovah and His Son Yeshuah. Allah is the father of lies. He comes to steal, kill and destroy. He creates nothing but twists and perverts the Holy Father's designs, claiming them as his own. Your worship will not get you into heaven, but your god and false Messiah will be thrown into the lake of fire. I pray you turn away and realize the error of your ways. May the Holy and Righteous Father above have mercy on your soul
@Yosef Patel Mohammeds argument isnt with Christians, its with the Prophet Isaiah.
Well said!!!!
These are my two favorite speakers. I could listen to their discussions all day long.
In the New Testament, Christ explained that the old law and Mosaic practices were fulfilled and concluded by Him.
Matt 5:17
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,
so ist es
@@johntrenn6132 Yes he fullfilled them.
Two giants of our times. Brave and smart
Jordan is looked at as a "dumb man's smart man" so idk
Giants???? How actually have they chanved something in humanity??? Simply rambling for money.
@@Neptunian65 no they educate!!! And they adress things the way it should be done, with courage. What else can You do? Shoot?
Just the two of the most vocal on social media.
@@Cynnas really? What about the context, is it false? Today man have to be very brave to tell the basic obvious trueth. You got to get vocal and angry when basics are broeken and foundations are falling down.
Both of these men are brilliant, and absolutely fucking fearless.
A Jewish guy told me this years ago. Christianity is about salvation between the self and God. The Jewish faith is about the community and God. The exception is the anabaptists. They believe in both self and their community with God.
Two of the smartest guys in media, actually joined forces with Ben's media group
#imwithjordan #imwithben These two are power house men.
No Jordan Peterson is a powerhouse man. Ben Shapiro is an irritable little putz. Nothing more nothing less. It's so uncomfortable to watch him he's so miserable in his own skin. He once stated that he cares about no one's feeling at all including his wife's and children that says a lot about this man.
I love Dr JP and Ben Shapiro together. It is the one time Ben will shut up and listen. And he's a smart man for doing so. You can tell he learns a lot from JP
it is, Christ now reigns in our hearts as individuals who choose to love Him back for our salvation. A person chooses to believe in their own heart, not because their family or nation did but because that individual does. We are called to trust, love and have an actual relationship with Christ! How awesome!
Jordan Peterson on Judaism: “it’s an unbelievably dangerous conversation.”
Why ???
I had asked a pastor friend of mine which might be the best Bible to get. He suggested the Complete Jewish Bible. I took me a while to grasp the significance of the title and its contents…both the Old AND New Testaments (nothing new to most Christians) with the Old being in the order of the Jewish Tanakh (Old Testament). I’ve seen several references that Jewish teachers avoid the study of Isaiah chapter 53 which clearly points the way to the Messiah, Jesus the Christ…thereby rejecting Jesus as Messiah by avoiding it in their own Scripture!
@@fmgreggII you should read what the Jewish Talmud says about Jesus…😳
@@fmgreggII in the Talmud it says Jesus is forever in a pot of boiling semen and feces…
@@hothatch1520 The Talmud is not God’s word. As I understand, it is Rabbinic writings…attempts to interpret God’s Word into laws, upon which I understand the Jewish religion so heavily depends. Christianity is a direct relationship based faith…
My two most followed speakers 👍
Respectful men, having a respectful conversation. No one screamed anything ugly. Love this.
Being a Christian, I know how the story ends. Please, PLEASE come with us, Guys!!! I love You Jordan and Ben❤️
Christianity isn't based on works, it's based on faith. In Islam and Judasim you are not saved by your faith but by your works. Yet that is interesting in its self because we know that the Old Testamnet patriarchs were saved by their faith ,but they didn't realize that it was their faith that was saving them and not their works.
Ephesians 2:8-9
In Islam you are saved by your faith in the oneness of god and your works.
@@paikuhansensei815 Key words. "AND YOUR WORKS". Scripture clearly teaches there is nothing we can do to save ourselves from the sin we have inherent. Christ death on the cross was all that was needed to cleanse of of those sins and accepting that gift is that one needs to do to have eternal life.
@@JohnDoe-zg6fn Scriptures don t teach that. We are teached to improve until perfection and to run this race carefully and with humility believing and looking at Jesus to save of from our sin that meaning to make us free of them.
@@manuelgarrido5602 You basically said the same thing I said. I quoted scripture which is clear throughout that we are saved by grace through faith, not of works. So please tell me how I am wrong? Or more importantly show me scripture that states The verse I quoted is wrong?
@@JohnDoe-zg6fn What I mean is that efforts are needed. Faith need efforts.
Makes sense to me, both are great religions, just christianity is easier to join and be apart of, that's all he's saying.
“Join and be a part of”…….wow. You really need to dig deep and find out what true Christianity is about.
@@jimmock1155 oh wise one please do tell what is this Christianity truly about. Shower upon me your grand wisdom.
It's an interesting conversation nonetheless.
@@jimmock1155 Wow. Relax, bro. This is a YT comment section. Not Seminary school.
@@jimmock1155 well it’s true. There are missionaries literally out in other countries trying to get people to join 💀
I wanted to hear more of this discussion.
I love Jordan Peterson with all my heart, but he has no idea what Christianity is, Christianity is all about Jesus Christ.
No doubt about it!!
Yes, it's called the new covenant
Finally the right word which explains everything . The New Covenant. Praise God!
I would love to hear the rest of this. Sad to only be able to hear this snippet. I’m still looking for a video I saw of him the other day and didn’t think to save but I have gone through all these shorts and not seen it!
Not in your history?
As @Shadow Mancer commented, there is so much more to this conversation. This short is WAY too short.
I'm a big believer that the connection between you and the Lord should be a private one and not be influenced by any groups. Follow your heart and the holy Spirit within you. You don't need to belong to any group to do that.
You sound like a muslim believe it or not.
Shame on you Jordan. I expected more out of you. Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
JORDAN PETERSON CRUSHED Ben ONCE AGAIN! LOVELY INTERACTION 💪🕊
October 16. This is the date to keep an eye on when it comes to Chinese politics.
This is the survival of the fittest again.
This has happened endless of times. From the fall of the Egyptian empire, run by Cleopattra, by the Roman empire, under the leadership of Caesar, to the Soviet Union.
History has shown us that a united power with self governing responsibilities is the more superior way to go, but not without a bloody fight.
The only way the West will come out victorious this time is if we manage to join forces with the Muslims.
We need to learn their history just like ours and understand that "Sunni" Muslim is closer to western values than anyone might think.
I sure hope all those WWII documentaries has taught us a lesson before it escalates beyond repair.
A war is by this point in time inevitable, the question is who strikes first and how long it takes to respond. Right now, there needs to be put in place a wartime leader. There is no going back from this.
Muslims ? Join up with the whole middle east? That's not my opinion at all. But I welcome your opinion and I'm going to research your comment. Take care and be well.
Why don’t porns start this way
Send me location Jessica, we can make it happen
They do but they always cut out that part.
Because if they did...
One would stop jerking off and go tidy one's room
Comb one's hair
Brush one's teeth
Get a job...
Save some money
Move out of one's mommy's basement
Buy a new shirt
And get a real woman
Who will help one with
One's War Drobe
She...
To have and to hold
Battle after battle of the shared life
One that loves you
As one loves she
Making love!
Not just having sex
@@JoseyWales93 They cut out the foreskin too 🤭
well they do cry out to god too
Thank you for your beautiful Heart of Truth Mr. Peterson
I'd like to hear the whole talk.
Jordon is able to articulate complex ideas and values. He can break it down so the layman like myself can understand
I wish I could encapsulate my thoughts as clearly and concisely as JP does.
JP doesn't state the real reason it's dangerous. No body can and still be allowed to speak.
The Blessing and Promise of the Chosen People is inherently tied to Land.
I love watching people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro in the same room. They both are very well-versed in the manners and process of an organized conversation.
Were can I see the full interview?
Jews that practice Judaism do not believe that Jesus is the savior, Jews that practice Christianity do believe Jesus is the savior....
I wish I could listen to an unending discussion between these two men!
So smart, intellectual and informed.
When will the whole video of this be uploaded. I’ve been waiting to watch this for a while. This is the second 1 min clip I’ve seen of Shapiro and Jordan Peterson talking or debating. I watch both of these guys
No worries. czcams.com/video/1opHWsHr798/video.html
I find it so sad that we live in a world where thoughts and opinions can be characterized as "massively dangerous" like it was still the Dark Ages or something. Oh, wait. It kind of still is.
I’d say it’s the exact opposite. Christianity places importance on the salvific properties of a man, while Judaism agrees with Ezekiel 18 where he says “no man shall die for another man’s sins”. Judaism places emphatic importance on the salvific properties of performing commandments (Mitzvot) personally.
High Respect to both Jordan and Ben. Jordan knew very well that Ben would not like what he has to say about Christianity but he said his truth and what he believes to be true in the most genuinely respectful manner while admitting he was treading on dangerous grounds as he knows that he has no control over how Ben would respond and Peterson didn't want to provoke anyone.
I really like both these men, this is how you have a debate with someone you disagree with.
Judaism isn't just about being Jewish...it's a way of life!!
I love Jordan Peterson's quest for understanding and enlightenment. He doesn't want to offend but is so curious, and it's great to see him be able to have this experience!
JP so cute how he gets excited to have this discussion. It’s so nice when minds can come together and discuss difficult topics safely and in good faith
Two brilliant and eloquent men there.
I was super interested in this. Lol! Now I'll have to find it to see what he says.
This is also reflected in the comparison of the Ten Commandments vs Cardinal Sins. TC is a set of edicts for incorrect behavior, much like laws. CS are ways of thinking, overall behavior, and would be unenforceable by terrestrial governments.
I'd like to see them discussing the concept of the chosen ones
Where can I find the long form of this video? I want to hear the entire discussion.
Such a massively interesting conversation between two geniuses. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro it doesn't get better then this.
I would like to see the entire conversation
This conversation sounds 💯💪🏾😤 real thoughts and opinions shared over a table as gentle-humen
I would like to see the whole conversation.
Did not the man himself say that the Sanhedrin were the synagogue of Satan or am I mistaken?
The expression can be found in Revelation 2 verse 9 and Rev. 3 verse 9. In both cases it's about people who according to the author falsely claim they are Jews. I assume falsely means that they don't live up to the standard they are supposed to. The New Testament uses the word Israelites for what we now would call a Jew. So who is precisely ment by the word Jews is not certain to me. But it's probably a group within the religious leadership, since Jesus mostly opposes people within the religious leadership (and people who use the temple for the pursuit of money) and not the common man or woman. So the Sanhedrin would be a very good possibility.
I wish I could see and hear a discussion between these two and Joseph Campbell.
That's right, put the text directly in the middle of the screen over his face.
Where can you see that whole conversation I have a feeling it's probably going to be one of the most enlightening conversations anyone could ever listen to two of the most intelligent men that exist at the moment with real morals integrity and standards and a lesson everybody can learn from the conversation is even though the drastic differences and worlds apart that the conversation comes from is had in a calm and intelligent information sharing way that I don't think anybody else in the world is capable of having at the moment
It's interesting he mentions that. No one else I've watched has. It's one of those things we know, but never bring up.
I want to listen the whole conversation.... where can I find it?
A huge difference is Christianity good works can't get you into their heaven. You must accept their messiah into your heart. In Judaism good works like charity, helping others, being good to children and elders and repenting from your mistakes will bless you forgiveness.
Where can I find the full version of this conversation?
Omg finally my boys shooting the breeze
2 amazing men dialoguing
Where is the full video to this?
I want to hear this in its entirety!
Wonderful to see people having a conversation where there is the risk of offence but it's welcomed as part and parcel of a good discussion.
Very well stated to differentiate...!
Touché!
I so love this man's true knowledge that can not be challenged!! Truth just absolute truth!!
You’re humility and honesty in your journey to find Christ is so refreshingly honest.
That's exactly my thought for some years now.
I though the difference between Christianity and Judaism is that Jews accept Jesus as no one not even a messenger of The God and believe that they’re idol worshippers and Christians hate Jews because they killed their God. This is so interesting conversation 🤔
Thanks JP!
My two favourite men in the world together. Awesome