@@JoelDerPro Devuan with i3 on a very old Pentium III and 512MB of ram On my main computer, I just have arch and KDE with 128GB of ram, and it currently uses 34GB of that ram (firefox + chrome with hundreds of tabs, 4 VM, steam, blender, discord, spotify, thunderbirds, libre office with 5 documents open, file manager with dozen of tabs, pdf reader with 8 documents open, a good search engine one (allowing me to search in filenames, inside the files, in applications menu, or internet), and an ide. There is a reason for that much ram too, when I'm doing 3d render, or some builds, sometimes, I have also Cura, and krita, inkscape, gimp, opentoonz open too, it sometimes used almost all the 64GB of ram I had, so I decided to double that capacity (I still never passed the 64GB used, but it's future proof at least, and I have a good margin x)
Yeah I tried to get back into it a few months ago, but I kinda forgot all the commands and stuff though the real bummer is that some applications or games just wouldn't run properly or at all and that is such a chore to fix... I use WSL now though, I kinda forgot what I used to do with the terminal and stuff but it's there at least. The only thing I remember properly is that I used to just run hollywood or cmatrix whenever my siblings are around. It was also a huge scare for me because I was struggling to go back to Windows again, I was so confident to have Linux back and I only had one USB I could use to install stuff and that USB gave me back my PTSD from when I was a kid when every computer component used to shock me. Man why can't we just have Windows XP2 or maybe Windows Chi-Rho as a fun little reference though that may conflict with people. Win11 was kinda great, problem is that it's too bloated, I had to link my MS account to everything for some reason, the added animation things made it less snappy, everything looks like it's for phones just like with Win8 again. I just don't get it. It's like Valve inverted.
@@vvesonot really. it's just vendor lock in. windows has been terrible for over 20 years. so terrible then on older hardware people started developing their own OSes because windows would freeze and they couldn't get work done.
@@glock888 4GB ram seems pretty useful for me. With 4GB ram, I probably don't have to use Wise Memory Optimizer every 7 minutes. I'll try upgrading my ram to 4GB as soon as I can.
@@glock888You need compatible memory. You don't know where they live, if they have the time to test the RAM or if they even have a slot or supporting motherboard. Sorry for saying this, but I remember my first 2 sticks of 2GB were 1/4 of a salary.
@@xl000 I have used linux since 1997, and still use linux for a server. But as a desktop it is buggy AF, crashes, problems, no coherent unified APIs, etc.etc.etc.
@@deckard5pegasus673 I guess it depends on what you work on. For me this is quite the opposite . As a software developer in the field of 3d applications, everything works perfectly. Obviously I choose the hardware I’m using.
It gets pretty good once you get over some humps. I won't dissagree that is requires you to give up some time and sanity but for the most part, it's a one-time investment.
Windows is the OS you learn at school, so it is THE OS in your mind. Linux can use whatever program its user wants to use even for system management, but htop is just lightweight, popular and powerful so it is probably why it was used for this video.
@@rorkeslayer3925 The terminal literally looks more modern than the Windows one. Nobody is forcing you to use the terminal as a resource monitor, in fact open the gnome system monitor and it looks not that different from the Windows one.
the gui version would show no difference. The cli version is just more commonly used for simplicity and clarity. Sometimes its just the first one you use when learning the system and you use it out of habit. If you look closely they're using the terminal from within the desktop environment, similar to running the command promt in windows.
the UGI (User Graphic Interface, or GUI for the lazy ones) is only fancy for the "DOS LIKE" aesthetic, but yes, could be reworked to be more inteligeble for the average user.
Back then, drivers on Linux was headache, drivers on Windows was a breeze. Today I don't really need to install any driver on Linux, meanwhile some printers and old USB-serial-TTL stuff are headache on Windows.
It's even worse when your hardware is particularly old. Apparently the drivers for my laptop's graphics card were no longer supported for some reason and after almost three months of trying to install and make th run anyway I decided that I can't deal with it anymore and switched to linux mint. Not regretting this decision in the slightest. Almost actually cried tears of joy when it just worked out of the box.
I’m enjoying having to mount and unmount, create cron scripts set mouse polling through a config..trawl through documentation for ever single thing oh and start up schedulers are a paaaaaain
@@Romanchelli-ci9on my guy, if you're creating cron scripts, then you would be automating functions in powershell anyways. Automation is automation, doesn't matter if you use PowerShell or tmux.
@@brucerain2106 I guess this is some kind of misunderstanding because gpu fans controlled by bios, and I don't think it's possible to OS be incompatible with fans
@@Anariston I kid you not, tried like 10 different alternatives and the god damn thing couldn't detect my fans. It's mostly Nvidia's fault though, their Linux drivers are trash.
Actually, Linux will use the whole unused memory as buffer cache, in general, leaving only a minimal memory reserve required for low-level kernel allocations.
Before DMA was implemented, no IRQ would be assigned if the mouse had been disconnected and then connected to a different port. Therefore, if the mouse was moved... Yeah, you guessed it. Related IRQ shenanigans: _"Keyboard not detected. Press F1 to retry or F2 to abort."_ This one is a bit more infamous since it was seen much more often.
@@rigen97 Prior to DMA all ports were IRQ-driven. Interrupts were allocated specifically to drives and functions, hence why Windows has reserved names like PRN. Dropping a file into the PRN folder would route the file to whichever port had a printer assigned via IRQ. PS/2 ports were holdovers from this era because they were integrated with the chipset, which made them harder to abstract away via DMA. I've also used a computer with a mouse and keyboard that used some kind of serial port for both. So, PS/2 wasn't the only port in existence, and I presume this had to be handled as well. Unless they didn't bother, which I admit, I do not know. I don't remember what OS that computer had anymore.
Windows 11 uses more RAM compared to Windows 10 but a lot goes into unuseful pre-loaded system stuff (Link to your phone for shared clipboard/screenshots etc, background services for telemetry when something crashes, background apps even from your laptop manifacturer) RAM usage is not an issue if it uses well caching and CPU, but the issue is that Windows 11 does not (even compared to windows 10 and 7). Windows 11 is a lot stable, but when you look into low spec systems, standby usage and idle usage, you will be terrified.
@@unixuser I've tested that a lot and yes, it is a lot more stable, but resources wise, it is not. For example Windows 10 had a lot of issues with trasparancy and the Taskbar crashing, clunky animations, etc. Windows 11 does not crash, I've never seen a single Bluescreen on Windows 11 and a lot of bluescreen people report are from Windows 10, but it is way heavier. Not a bit, a lot. I use it on every feature a lot. I remember perfectly the Windows 10 and the Windows 11 launch and Windows 11 on release was a lot more stable compared to Windows 10 and still is. People who say that it is like Vista are completely Wong because these people usually don't have W11 because of TPM limits and they love to use online posts as main arguments.
My Windows PC :- 4.6 GB / 16 GB My Linux PC (KALI):- 468MB / 16GB , Swap Memory 232MB/1024MB My Android 13 (Custom Rom) :- 1.5GB/2GB, Swap 422MB/1024MB My Jailbroken IOS 15( iPhone 6s ) :- 1.7GB/2GB
@@willowspov Linux with the SELinux extension, very strange file structure, toybox coreutils instead of GNU, custom display server, custom C library, etc. Android is using the regular old Linux kernel at its core, but everything else is different compared to a normal Linux distro.
@@droopy_eyes uhh... they did, a computer can't function without some kind of volatile memory (well it can just read everything off disk, but no one ever did that because it's EXTREMELY slow) but yes, 70s system had between 1K (low-end systems) to 64K (very high-end systems) of RAM
I run linux on a laptop with a Ryzen 9 and 3080 with 64 gbs of Ram. I can literally have hundreds of tabs open a game running in the background a couple virtual machines Running and random videos playing and I can’t slow it down on Linux to save my life . I’ve actually reasonably tried .
Teach me the ways, master. On a more serious note, do you think I can have a reasonable gaming experience on linux? If so, would you recommend dual booting or a VM if something doesn't work?
@@MrDollgramOfficial Cancelled what? understanding humans? Being a normal human being? Using Linux? To make a contra argument you need to write in complete sentences, not be a retard and think everyone knows what you're talking about. Oh wait, are you a bot? Did daddy Google or moma Apple say they were going to give you more megs of RAM to finish your thoughts if you are able to get me off your case?
It’s a big more complex and nuanced like that, that figure on Windows on its own doesn’t say if it’s RSS only or also contains cache. We don’t know what services are running. We don’t know if any applications have been loaded previously. But sure Windows generally hogs more memory.
Windows runs Edge on startup after I disabled Edge from running on startup. Either that or it runs it later to make up for it. So yeah (by runs I mean it's in background).
Tbh, Linux is just the better OS now. No big company trying to shove their half-baked bloatware down your throat, no unneeded use of system resources, and ultimate freedom in what you use
@@s1l3nttt An open web page would hardly use any CPU but take up lots of ram, also, if the user loads a memory intensive app, and then quits it after it 100% the ram, there would only be like 800-900 MB of usage, so windows can stop hogging if it needs to.
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Bro I have a laptop with 8gb ram and downloaded windows 11 and used for few months. Now today I have to revert back to windows 10 because of too high ram usage in windows 11
Unused RAM is used by the operating system to store cache, known as the Standby List. This cached memory doesn't appear as RAM usage in system monitors.
So, then ... by logical extension, unused storage space is wasted storage space? Does this mean that every closet, every room, every hallway, every storage unit, every warehouse should be packed to 99.999...% capacity -- otherwise it's a "waste of space"? By the same token, should we be waiting at each empty elevator until enough people arrive so we can essentially play "telephone booth" every single time?
About the "unused ram" argument. Here's the thing: The yellow bars in the Linux PC are actually file cache. i.e. memory that's being used to accelerate access to some files if those specific files happen to be accessed. You get ramdisk-like speed when accessing them, but the memory can be reclaimed at any time if it's needed for other purposes. By the way, those yellow bars are not counted within the 800 MB shown as being used. And actually, that's also the case for Windows. Windows also has a file cache, and also excludes the file cache when showing memory usage in task manager. Point being, neither is wasting the opportunity to accelerate the system with the spare ram. But leaving that aside, Windows is still using more ram for no good reason.
You can get Windows RAM usage to as low as 450 MB by disabling tons of services like themes and print spooler. for me the biggest RAM hog is steam and oculus cuz of VR.
They like to load that Swahili font just in case you might decide to type something in a language that you have never used. It's just a few more MB. What's the harm ? Oh... and have another piece of spyware too.
Windows ram system is very complex especially after windows vista , there are a lot of useless stuff in ram just in case you need them , and when you need more ram it will remove the useless stuff and clear the ram for you; on Linux you do what you want with the ram , only your running software, a ram disk , some random software cache etc , both are pretty interesting and intelligent software
Thats true! If you also have more Ram, it uses it more... In Idele my System Hovers about 12GBs of Ram i think from the 32 i have... And thats more than i had with 16... Windows adjust the Page file of the System based on the amount of Ram you have
Ye ofc if u need more ram space other stuff will move to make way for it, but i have a 4 year old laptop and windows runs at a crawl. Ubuntu runs like lightning for the same functionality. Windows’ complex ram clearly doesn’t compensate for its expensive resource sucking
In my company laptop, with the addition of company spyware and bossware, it idles at 4.5 GB RAM usage, which is over 50% of the computer's total RAM. Crazy
You just said idle, so what's the problem here exactly? Just like in this video, the computer is idle. If you're not actively needing that free RAM, why does it matter if the OS utilizes it to help performance? The claims about Windows data collecting being the cause of this ram usage is dubious at best, since nothing changes if you disable all telemetry services in Windows.
Modern computers cache stuff in RAM in case you need it. If that RAM is needed for a running application, the operating system gives it to it. But it's quite a bit faster than fetching data from storage and the downside of this kind of memory use is exaggerated by people since it uses memory that is not is in use by any other application.
I have noticed that I save up a crap ton more ram just being on steam OS compared to my Dell laptop, which by the way would be idle after just powering it on and I would be using four of my 8 GB😂😂
windows will dedicate half of available memory for superfetch, which can boost performance with launching applications. When more ram is utilized by a single program, it will be reallocated accordingly. While it would be nice for this to be optional in windows for benchmarking's sake, it doesn't affect system operation as much as you might think it does.
@@RenderingUser yep native windows search is extremely slow but you can install programs on windows that search for stuff insanely fast compared to windows search. 'Everything' by developer voidtools is one great example. Microsoft is just bad at improving their native apps, it took them a million years to add tabs to the native file explorer too :/
@@RenderingUser as a happy windows user, I have to agree with laserslime.... windows search is just bad. I think it honestly hits #1 in my cons list for windows.
Windows holds on to RAM, it will be treated as available - but it is a caching strategy. This changed in like windows 10, no idea why they didn't update resource manager to better reflect this.
@@RossWasTaken there are settings that maybe you didn't check but also if you have multiple monitors that don't have the same refresh rate then things get a bit funky. or maybe your computer is exceptionally bad but idk
I am a Linux user personally, but I do have to point out that these numbers are slightly misleading. Windows will hold on to some of the memory as standby memory, which doesn't show up as free memory. This will be released to other processes if they need it. However making the OS switch is well worth it, not just in terms of performance, security and customizability, but honestly many Linux distros have a better and more accessible user experience these days.
@@nathanwhitley967 Just like me, who tried Linux 3 times, you will probably regret it after trying to install simple programs that work fine on Windows and failing 85% of the time.
@@ASDER-qs6yn 2.2 GB on KDE Plasma 5 with 2 brave tabs and 1 terminal window running htop. Usually idle on startup for me is around 1.5 - 1.8 GB, but I have some apps autostart.
I'm on plasma x11 (arch) idling at 1.3g/16g. I have wallpaper engine on and firefox w/ youtube. Also a few widgets like clearclock and some taskbar latte widgets.
@@WingMaster562 EAC does run on Linux. If the game ur playing doesn't work then either the developer is to lazy to switch implementations or they just don't want you to play on Linux. Simple as that. Also u don't have to believe me give it a google and you will stumble on a reddit post with a direct steam link where valve addresses this.
@@somedudeonyoutubefrfr That's not how that works, and your AI models are going to need your GPU's VRAM more often than your system's RAM. And if your AI models were taking up that much of your system RAM, then everything else was going to get killed anyway. AI models require an extreme amount of resources.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Um yes, that’s how it works. Because I don’t have a hefty gpu, I have to use my RAM as well. I’m not a person with a A100 in my setup. And no, the model crashes, not the other stuff. Seems that you either have no clue about this or you don’t know enough of it… Or you’re running a rig with an rtx for image generation…
@@potatoe4221 Yes, skill issue. Sorry, but my luxury cars, butlers, maids and houses don't pay themselves. The real skill issue are your bad edits on tiktok ^^
20 years ago, the Linux community was still boasting that Linux actually uses the RAM, while in Windows the philosophy was not to use it if possible, so that RAM was still free for newly loaded software. Today it's the other way around and now the Linux community is accusing Microsoft of this as a disadvantage.
@@draco5991rep I'm a Linux lover myself but I can't say Windows is shit, even if I hate it due to the amount of resources it consumes. The system would be perfect if they just stopped updating when the user didn't choose it (to hell with Windows Updates) and made the system more lightweight, but the money is all they care about. Can't blame them, I think I'd do the same...
@@lewisfalm I feel the same. However from a security perspective (which is pretty much all of the updates) it is pretty important to get those patched in as soon as possible. My biggest reason for having a linux device is the massive amount of spyware microsoft uses.
@@lewisfalmwhy hate it for the amount of resources it consumes? It’s better tot use 90% than 5%. If you have the capacity, use it. It’s a waste of power if you don’t. And windows does tend to use it for either caching, indexing, preloading things that might be relevant, and yes, downloading security updates. Something you should be doing daily yourself otherwise and it doesn’t restrict you in anyway. So why the hate? 😅
@@LiegeMaximo favourite phrase of average windows lover, but program usage depends on its code and OS logic. now explain me why windows is so bad at it
@@fantik86 I have used both. Currently i am back on linux mint. The thing which i dont like about windows are the ton of telemetry that consume alot of resources which in turn slows down the system as a whole. But my major reason to come back on linux is because of programming and some core level stuff in general. But that doesn't mean ill recommend linux to a normal user. Nope, linux is still not in the phase to be recommended to a normal user who just wishes to browse or do such tasks. The whole concept of cli can be very confusing to them. Plus several stuff like the wifi and sound card can sometimes just stop all of a sudden ( have faced both issues ). Just yesterday I had issues setting up my new tp link dongle. Spent 1-2 hrs to fix it properly.
@@LiegeMaximo Ok I was generalizing but the only people who care about windows are maybe the sys admins who use Windows server or something.Average Windows users don't care about windows .They could be running Chrome OS for all they care.They just need their browser.While in the linux community,everyone is passionate about it to some extent and they actually know the definition of an Operating System
I don’t understand how you could enjoy using Windows for anything. I get hating Mac and Linux a decade ago when Windows was good, but it is objectively terrible now. It is Borderline unusable for most work environments, is unbelievably unstable, and just eats up electricity doing completely meaningless tasks. I guess if you don’t use your computer for anything useful or are an engineer, then it could be a mediocre experience instead of an objectively horrible one.
@macicoinc9363 "and just eats up electricity doing completely meaningless tasks." Yeah, like the Microsoft Store downloading the HP Smart app for no apparent reason.
@@actualblack gentoo can be nice if, say, a browser ships with some feature not compiled in you'd like to have. If you have a remote building setup, it can also be a boon for embedded setups with architecture peculiarities you can accommodate using gentoo. Also, with RISC-V making a serious break into the market now, gentoo might be a reasonable choice for RISC-V workstations, particularly those with a high core count.
@@actualblack theres actually quite a lot of people who use gentoo, mostly femboys tho. im not sure how they all unanimously agreed that they should use gentoo, but yeah. those people exist. other than that, not many.
I use Linux for work and Windows at home, gotta say my experience is kind of the opposite. Not in idle of course, but when I open things like Slack, IntelliJ, Gitkraken and a browser I quickly use up all the available memory in Linux while windows usually manages quite well.
Where can I find work like yours? I have to use Windows at work and I have a 64Gb laptop that's constantly using like 40Gb. I use Linux at home obviously, so my experience is the opposite. Except with my RHEL based home-lab, it uses a lot of RAM.
linux tries to use 100% of RAM if you continuously work with the machine, browse files, compile code, ... caching everything is Linux' thing. Ever played a 6-7 GB RAM Game on windows? after closing it windows will use about 900MiB of RAM, because it will clean its caches and stop caching while under pressure - just like linux
@@Kirides Windows tries to utilize around 30~40% of RAM in the BACKGROUND. Independent of what you're doing. This is for the operating system itself. Not compiling, not gaming, nothing but the OS. It's contextually obvious, and I shouldn't have needed to specify this. What you have stated here is essentially nothing. You can make any system hit 100% utilization of RAM by doing shit on the system. Do I really need to state this? Why am I even responding to this?
@@balen7555 That's not being stingy, that's exasperation. You won't get far in life with that lack of intelligence. This doesn't even require textbook level knowledge, you just google one thing, but I guess that's too difficult for people in 2023.
@@randomguy15865 hover over the "memory composition" part here. You'll see that it consists of 4 parts: in use, modified, standby (cached) and free (most people won't even have this). As you see in hover info, the number shown corresponds only to the first section.
@@NucEn windows doesn't include cache as used memory because cache is a lower priority that apps it'll be deleted from memory when the system needs more ram to run a game or something.
For those who couldn't read the Linux GUI.
Windows used 3.4 GB / 8GB
Linux used 800 MB/ 8 GB
And linux use 800Mo with a heavy user inteface, I use less than 60Mo on small computer with a very light user interface and distribution ^^
Is it same in windows 8 or 7?
@@ckngmad1357 no it takes more than 800mb
Correct value I don't remember
@@antocmartinaemzWhat distribution and interface are you using?
@@JoelDerPro Devuan with i3 on a very old Pentium III and 512MB of ram
On my main computer, I just have arch and KDE with 128GB of ram, and it currently uses 34GB of that ram (firefox + chrome with hundreds of tabs, 4 VM, steam, blender, discord, spotify, thunderbirds, libre office with 5 documents open, file manager with dozen of tabs, pdf reader with 8 documents open, a good search engine one (allowing me to search in filenames, inside the files, in applications menu, or internet), and an ide.
There is a reason for that much ram too, when I'm doing 3d render, or some builds, sometimes, I have also Cura, and krita, inkscape, gimp, opentoonz open too, it sometimes used almost all the 64GB of ram I had, so I decided to double that capacity (I still never passed the 64GB used, but it's future proof at least, and I have a good margin x)
Pros of Linux: It'll use less resources
Cons of Linux: It'll use you as a resource if you want to run things
Yeah I tried to get back into it a few months ago, but I kinda forgot all the commands and stuff though the real bummer is that some applications or games just wouldn't run properly or at all and that is such a chore to fix... I use WSL now though, I kinda forgot what I used to do with the terminal and stuff but it's there at least. The only thing I remember properly is that I used to just run hollywood or cmatrix whenever my siblings are around. It was also a huge scare for me because I was struggling to go back to Windows again, I was so confident to have Linux back and I only had one USB I could use to install stuff and that USB gave me back my PTSD from when I was a kid when every computer component used to shock me. Man why can't we just have Windows XP2 or maybe Windows Chi-Rho as a fun little reference though that may conflict with people. Win11 was kinda great, problem is that it's too bloated, I had to link my MS account to everything for some reason, the added animation things made it less snappy, everything looks like it's for phones just like with Win8 again. I just don't get it. It's like Valve inverted.
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So truth..
Honestly, as long as you don't do media editing or play multiplayer games it's okayish in terms of time consumption.
100% true
Windows has a really elegant and readable UI to let the user see how terribly they manage his ressources
which is a big reason why it still has a foothold.
@@vveso Pop.OS has a very readable and good U.I
Same with Linux Mint
@@vvesonot really. it's just vendor lock in.
windows has been terrible for over 20 years. so terrible then on older hardware people started developing their own OSes because windows would freeze and they couldn't get work done.
You don't have to use btop the best UI is probably gnome and apps using gtk
linux has about 100 different guis you can download
"unused RAM is wasted RAM"
-me with one 6GB ramstick and 5.5GB usage 🗿
Mine is 2GB ram and 1.8GB usage, and it's DDR2 🗿
I guess you didnt check prices for long time,one 4gb new stick cost 10euro.unless you like to suffer
@@glock888 4GB ram seems pretty useful for me. With 4GB ram, I probably don't have to use Wise Memory Optimizer every 7 minutes. I'll try upgrading my ram to 4GB as soon as I can.
I swear the people that say that get free Taiwan visas.
@@glock888You need compatible memory.
You don't know where they live, if they have the time to test the RAM or if they even have a slot or supporting motherboard.
Sorry for saying this, but I remember my first 2 sticks of 2GB were 1/4 of a salary.
“A computer is like air conditioning - it becomes useless when you open Windows.”
- Linus Torvalds
Emotional damage
*italian hand emoji*
@@killjaqular 🤌🏻
@@CZghostSteamOS is based on Linux and I'm pretty sure most games work on it
@@CZghost Yeah, its a prank, i hate linux XD
The fact that pingu looks exactly like Linux logo
it's called tux
You meant the mascot Tux?
no it doesnt
pingu and tux are both penguins lol
the fact that pingu and tux are both penguins 🤯🤯🤯
Linux:
Pros: Uses little to no resources to run
Cons: Your time and sanity are the main resources
can you give two concrete examples ?
@@xl000 I have used linux since 1997, and still use linux for a server. But as a desktop it is buggy AF, crashes, problems, no coherent unified APIs, etc.etc.etc.
@@deckard5pegasus673 I guess it depends on what you work on. For me this is quite the opposite . As a software developer in the field of 3d applications, everything works perfectly. Obviously I choose the hardware I’m using.
It gets pretty good once you get over some humps. I won't dissagree that is requires you to give up some time and sanity but for the most part, it's a one-time investment.
@@deckard5pegasus673Which distro do you use?
Windows example = looks like a desktop OS
Linux example = looks like a 1990's air traffic controller terminal screen
Yeah, there are lots of GUI system monitors in Linux too, that look way better than Windows TM, but htop is so powerful everyone uses it instead.
Windows is the OS you learn at school, so it is THE OS in your mind. Linux can use whatever program its user wants to use even for system management, but htop is just lightweight, popular and powerful so it is probably why it was used for this video.
@@rorkeslayer3925 The terminal literally looks more modern than the Windows one.
Nobody is forcing you to use the terminal as a resource monitor, in fact open the gnome system monitor and it looks not that different from the Windows one.
KDE 6 and Deepin look better than literally any windows version to date
the gui version would show no difference. The cli version is just more commonly used for simplicity and clarity. Sometimes its just the first one you use when learning the system and you use it out of habit. If you look closely they're using the terminal from within the desktop environment, similar to running the command promt in windows.
"Unused ram is wasted ram" -Arch wiki
Windows: it's fun time
Gentoo users crying now.
It will come handy to open extra chrome tabs
I was about to say that.
@@cd.NekOwareLGBT No you are too late
I paid for 64 GB of RAM and I'm gonna use 64 GB of RAM goddammit!
Use it wisely
I guess u can... interact with kernal terminal
64 gb where, how much did it cost😮
@@___justASH I paid around 320$ at the time, four 16gb ram sticks
@@kaurt9954 i will, thanks :D
I thought I was watching the Stock Market stat for a second there.
Learning curve
Everyday a linux user it's like a mormom trying to convert you.
Have you heard the good GNUs?
@@icantcomeupwithnames469the gnospel
😁
try linux mint
😂
Everybody gangsta until the ram usage when idling is measured in megabytes
😂
nahh everybody gangsta till the ram goes to KILOBYTES
On windows 7 if i'm lucky my ram usage will be just under a gig
It is on the linux one...
Its 800megabytes, or 0.8 Gigs
@@jonateez640k will be enough
me trying to find where the memory number is in linux 💀
Same😂
Same
804M/7.61G
the UGI (User Graphic Interface, or GUI for the lazy ones) is only fancy for the "DOS LIKE" aesthetic, but yes, could be reworked to be more inteligeble for the average user.
Look where it says Mem it's in the top left section under the numbers. The numbers are the bars for CPU but they're all at 0%.
Back then, drivers on Linux was headache, drivers on Windows was a breeze.
Today I don't really need to install any driver on Linux, meanwhile some printers and old USB-serial-TTL stuff are headache on Windows.
It's even worse when your hardware is particularly old. Apparently the drivers for my laptop's graphics card were no longer supported for some reason and after almost three months of trying to install and make th run anyway I decided that I can't deal with it anymore and switched to linux mint.
Not regretting this decision in the slightest. Almost actually cried tears of joy when it just worked out of the box.
I’m enjoying having to mount and unmount, create cron scripts set mouse polling through a config..trawl through documentation for ever single thing oh and start up schedulers are a paaaaaain
@@Romanchelli-ci9on I believe you're beyond normal computer user.
@@Romanchelli-ci9onWhat exactly are you trying to accomplish that is giving you a tough time?
@@Romanchelli-ci9on my guy, if you're creating cron scripts, then you would be automating functions in powershell anyways.
Automation is automation, doesn't matter if you use PowerShell or tmux.
Linux: perfect for the kind of people who never stopped playing Dwarf Fortress
DF has dropped raw text support since the Steam release, unfortunately.
@@icantcomeupwithnames469 I like the steam release
@noahnemec5711 I'd like it if it still had ncurses, but since it doesn't, may as well just play rimworld if I need a graphical environment anyway
@@icantcomeupwithnames469Lmfao 😂
Imma bout to speedrun Zork on that.
Not much Ram is used when you don't have spyware running in the background
to be fair, you agreed to this "spyware"
you can also disable it with one click in settings at anytime lol
@@Denomote Process hollowing use technicals even you imagination how its work
@@09NwEdG??
@@Denomote except the fact that that button lies to you, there's still a lot of telemetry being sent with it off
@@Denomote oh how naïve
My laptop stopped to behave like an airplane when I switched to Linux
Same, but it was because Linux is incompatible with my GPU's fans so it almost fried my card 💀
@@danclypselmao why do people even use it then
because if you are smart, you know how to use it without frying your card@@brucerain2106
@@brucerain2106 I guess this is some kind of misunderstanding because gpu fans controlled by bios, and I don't think it's possible to OS be incompatible with fans
@@Anariston I kid you not, tried like 10 different alternatives and the god damn thing couldn't detect my fans. It's mostly Nvidia's fault though, their Linux drivers are trash.
"I paid for the whole RAM stick, Imma use the whole RAM stick"
-Windows users
You called yourself a massive idiot and you don't even realise it.
tho stock windows 11 literally closes your apps if memory is overloaded
Actually, Linux will use the whole unused memory as buffer cache, in general, leaving only a minimal memory reserve required for low-level kernel allocations.
actualy ram is better than any storage. that why today people used ram as storage (ssd/nvm)
Windows: Page file go brrrrrrt.
Did you notice that, the linux has 8G of ram and 16G swap space (zswap, swap on zram)?
"You moved the mouse cursor. Restart Windows to apply changes." we said jokingly in the mid 90s.
Before DMA was implemented, no IRQ would be assigned if the mouse had been disconnected and then connected to a different port. Therefore, if the mouse was moved... Yeah, you guessed it.
Related IRQ shenanigans: _"Keyboard not detected. Press F1 to retry or F2 to abort."_ This one is a bit more infamous since it was seen much more often.
@@Mavendow isn't that a problem with ps2 ports? Since they interrupts CPUs directly.
@@rigen97 Prior to DMA all ports were IRQ-driven. Interrupts were allocated specifically to drives and functions, hence why Windows has reserved names like PRN. Dropping a file into the PRN folder would route the file to whichever port had a printer assigned via IRQ. PS/2 ports were holdovers from this era because they were integrated with the chipset, which made them harder to abstract away via DMA. I've also used a computer with a mouse and keyboard that used some kind of serial port for both. So, PS/2 wasn't the only port in existence, and I presume this had to be handled as well. Unless they didn't bother, which I admit, I do not know. I don't remember what OS that computer had anymore.
Still Windows are so much more convenient to use rather than Linux it's like wearing clean trousers compared to s💩ted ones.
@@draxoronxztgs1212 something something I refuse to consider anything that's not already on my plate
„THE NUMBERS MASON,WHAT DO THEY MEAN?”
A better user experience
Perfect quote for this
`man htop`
Nothing, those numbers means nothing unless you are a computer illiterate
800mb, top part of the screen, the progress bar
Windows 11 uses more RAM compared to Windows 10 but a lot goes into unuseful pre-loaded system stuff (Link to your phone for shared clipboard/screenshots etc, background services for telemetry when something crashes, background apps even from your laptop manifacturer)
RAM usage is not an issue if it uses well caching and CPU, but the issue is that Windows 11 does not (even compared to windows 10 and 7).
Windows 11 is a lot stable, but when you look into low spec systems, standby usage and idle usage, you will be terrified.
"Windows 11 is a lot stable" thats where youre wring my friend
@@unixuser I've tested that a lot and yes, it is a lot more stable, but resources wise, it is not.
For example Windows 10 had a lot of issues with trasparancy and the Taskbar crashing, clunky animations, etc.
Windows 11 does not crash, I've never seen a single Bluescreen on Windows 11 and a lot of bluescreen people report are from Windows 10, but it is way heavier. Not a bit, a lot.
I use it on every feature a lot.
I remember perfectly the Windows 10 and the Windows 11 launch and Windows 11 on release was a lot more stable compared to Windows 10 and still is.
People who say that it is like Vista are completely Wong because these people usually don't have W11 because of TPM limits and they love to use online posts as main arguments.
@@TrioLOLGamers oh yeah use tiny 11
It runs edge on startup after I disable edge running on startup.
@@samuelllakaj5439 it doesn't run Edge, but still it weights too much... The issue are not background processes, are windows services...
My Windows PC :- 4.6 GB / 16 GB
My Linux PC (KALI):- 468MB / 16GB , Swap Memory 232MB/1024MB
My Android 13 (Custom Rom) :- 1.5GB/2GB, Swap 422MB/1024MB
My Jailbroken IOS 15( iPhone 6s ) :- 1.7GB/2GB
iOS is actually just Darwin/XNU which is modified FreeBSD with some features from Mach.
What is android?? @@FurryCuddler
@@willowspov Linux with the SELinux extension, very strange file structure, toybox coreutils instead of GNU, custom display server, custom C library, etc.
Android is using the regular old Linux kernel at its core, but everything else is different compared to a normal Linux distro.
Some of the real minimalist Linux distros can use like 40MB of RAM or less for embedded systems and such.
DSL goes 5-12 mb ram idle
@@xr.spedtech also
TinyCore distro
@@droopy_eyes uhh... they did, a computer can't function without some kind of volatile memory (well it can just read everything off disk, but no one ever did that because it's EXTREMELY slow)
but yes, 70s system had between 1K (low-end systems) to 64K (very high-end systems) of RAM
Who cares
@@TriangularLandum Your mom cares. I installed my big Linux distro in her tight form factor.
Linux users resisting the urge to tell every living being on sight that they use Linux, challenge level impossible
probably some ubuntu peasant. I use gentoo linux. we are not the same.
@@blarghblargh i agree, i use Arch btw
Yea. I use Arch btw
Windows users try not to be braindead and learn 3 console commands challenge level impossible
@@blarghblargh You are like baby, I am using my own LFS (plz send help)
If you use a tiling window manager the RAM usage gets even lower
linux also have their GUI task manager i think its name is "system monitor"
Po por dikush tha që ky është më i fuqishëm.
Me : have 32gb ram
Also me : using wm only so my ram usage can be as low as possible in linux
Dude donate ur ram to me
same lmao so i can use it for games or vms
Same Bro, just awesome with picom
@@Toxikcid Just download some more
I have 128GB of RAM.
The OS using 4Gb doesn't bother me.
Chrome has entered the chat...
the fact that chromium consumes less ram than firefox now makes these jokes irrelevant lmao
Another NT joke, haha
@@shadesoftime im dumb, r u talking about Chrome os or the Google Chrome Bowser.
@@NiceEyeballs chromium is chrome browser with less google stuff
idk y chromium even exits like if ur gonna make a google browser less google then just use a different browser
I run linux on a laptop with a Ryzen 9 and 3080 with 64 gbs of Ram. I can literally have hundreds of tabs open a game running in the background a couple virtual machines
Running and random videos playing and I can’t slow it down on Linux to save my life . I’ve actually reasonably tried .
Teach me the ways, master.
On a more serious note, do you think I can have a reasonable gaming experience on linux? If so, would you recommend dual booting or a VM if something doesn't work?
Have you tried Windows with that rig?
@@samuelllakaj5439huge crash chance even with the setup
Video: noot noot
Text: root root
Linux users typing 500 lines of code to change the wallpaper
its mostly just 1 command, or opening a program and clicking apply on the wallpaper of choice. but sure bub, believe what you believe in.
hey dude, the 90s called, they said they want their jokes back.
@@eivis13 90s called, been 30 years since i cancelled
@@MrDollgramOfficial Cancelled what? understanding humans? Being a normal human being? Using Linux? To make a contra argument you need to write in complete sentences, not be a retard and think everyone knows what you're talking about.
Oh wait, are you a bot? Did daddy Google or moma Apple say they were going to give you more megs of RAM to finish your thoughts if you are able to get me off your case?
windows users digging through 25 websites to download an installer to an installer
Sometimes I’d rather deal with RAM usage than deal with Linux
Sometimes I'd rather deal with Linux than with Microsoft
@@mariozenarju6461 True true
@@slickdrick I use mostly Windows and don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft. But my counterpoint is that Linux is hard.
@@slickdrick Installing programs on Linux is a chore compared to Windows. I keep trying to go more in depth on this but then my comment gets deleted.
@@EricFixalot for most of the time, don't you just copy paste a command to terminal and it install by itself?
It’s a big more complex and nuanced like that, that figure on Windows on its own doesn’t say if it’s RSS only or also contains cache. We don’t know what services are running.
We don’t know if any applications have been loaded previously.
But sure Windows generally hogs more memory.
Windows runs Edge on startup after I disabled Edge from running on startup. Either that or it runs it later to make up for it. So yeah (by runs I mean it's in background).
Pov: you know exactly how well Linux would perform on your own hardware but you work in multimedia field and need to use Avid softwares... ☹️
"Linux users trying to not let everyone know they use Linux" challenge (impossible)
Underrated
@@gemeosnosgames just very old and overused joke
@@Moonlakes youtube users trying not to write "unfunny overused joke" challenge (impossible).
@@darklex5150unfunny overused joke
I use arch btw
I just wanted to let you gentleman know I use arch btw
I just wanted to let you know that you‘re not any better because of this
@@dritterregenschirm2324 bro this is a meme
@@dritterregenschirm2324 woosh
Is Manjaro considered arch?
@@kayathecloudkid Considering it DDoS'es the AUR on the regular, I guess it depends on who you ask :'D
Tbh, Linux is just the better OS now. No big company trying to shove their half-baked bloatware down your throat, no unneeded use of system resources, and ultimate freedom in what you use
cant do gaming less software support
i will pick bloatware free windows or i will make it bloatware free
what about freedom in gaming?)
@@androidgaster5002 Proton and WINE. very few games are blocked on Linux if you get WINE and Proton set up properly.
@@hunainraiq9685 bait? you know linux can play 90% of steam games with proton (simple toggle in steam settings) turned on.
@@hunainraiq9685 I game on Linux all the time, it works great.
3.4Gb idle is insane
How do we know that system was idle? There was activity on the network.
@@dylanrobson6737bc it says 0% usage on everything but ram. Network activity is likey some windows bloat ware.
@@s1l3nttt An open web page would hardly use any CPU but take up lots of ram, also, if the user loads a memory intensive app, and then quits it after it 100% the ram, there would only be like 800-900 MB of usage, so windows can stop hogging if it needs to.
My family had an old PC with 4 GB of RAM, and this is why reverted from Win 10 to Win 7. Two Chrome tabs were enough to make it lag like crazy.
try to find custom system, still windows but without things like sending stats to microsoft, my system uses like >2 gb with 50 processes
Use SSD. Its not the issue of operating system
install ssd, setup linux (because old windows versions are both less compatible and risky) and upgradr ram (if possible)
@@atsizbalik sit on linux bottle? Hell nah
@@cra1zer i would rather use linux (good) than a dead and non-compatible windows 7 (bad)
"It's going to be fine, the difference isn't noticeable on modern hardware"
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Those people are lying 🤪😂. I switched to linux permanently on my main rig and finally have some peace of mind
As if that gives them an excuse for their terrible code
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Hey, when the next LOTR comes out ?
@@PsycosisIncarnated was it hard?
I mean, we all know Windows uses way more memory than most other OSs, but this clip gives no context about the processes being run on either instance.
Gaming on Linux's FPS is trash 💀💀
Im running 512MB on arch with fancy compositors and visual effects on idle, what Distro are you running?
Desktop environment:- KDE PLASMA
Running on Fedora 36 Server Install
i'm running arch - gnome , around 700mb
@@copilotguy respect++
This comment's replies are just 'I use Arch btw' in the wild
Manjaro KDE: 1.6 GB (48 GB RAM)
OpenSUSE KDE (Laptop): 860 MB (8 GB RAM)
Ubuntu Server LXDE (Laptop 3): 420 MB (8 GB RAM)
We dont talk about no. 2!
Windows 11 at idle is like "I paid for all the RAM, I'm gonna use all the RAM" on 8gb
It makes sense.
Bro I have a laptop with 8gb ram and downloaded windows 11 and used for few months. Now today I have to revert back to windows 10 because of too high ram usage in windows 11
And it should, everything that's already placed into the ram will load much faster when you need it. Unused ram is wasted ram
@@Gekko12482 some people play games yk and need ram for when those high demanding games come along
use Ghost Spectre
Unused ram is wasted ram
Unused RAM is used by the operating system to store cache, known as the Standby List. This cached memory doesn't appear as RAM usage in system monitors.
your memory better be at 99 or im finding where you live
So, then ... by logical extension, unused storage space is wasted storage space? Does this mean that every closet, every room, every hallway, every storage unit, every warehouse should be packed to 99.999...% capacity -- otherwise it's a "waste of space"?
By the same token, should we be waiting at each empty elevator until enough people arrive so we can essentially play "telephone booth" every single time?
I have a Linux that has 16GB of RAM, only 1GB is consumed
"That is a lot of ram you got there. Would be a shame if someone used half of that idling"
- Windows 10 😂
you need to check for viruses on your windows cuz no normal windows takes anywhere near that much ram
@@meyr1992 Windows 10 and beyond aren't normal, they ARE the virus 😂
@@meyr1992 except when you have 8gigs, nearly half of your ram will be use after boot.
laughs not being poor
About the "unused ram" argument. Here's the thing:
The yellow bars in the Linux PC are actually file cache. i.e. memory that's being used to accelerate access to some files if those specific files happen to be accessed. You get ramdisk-like speed when accessing them, but the memory can be reclaimed at any time if it's needed for other purposes.
By the way, those yellow bars are not counted within the 800 MB shown as being used. And actually, that's also the case for Windows. Windows also has a file cache, and also excludes the file cache when showing memory usage in task manager.
Point being, neither is wasting the opportunity to accelerate the system with the spare ram. But leaving that aside, Windows is still using more ram for no good reason.
You can get Windows RAM usage to as low as 450 MB by disabling tons of services like themes and print spooler.
for me the biggest RAM hog is steam and oculus cuz of VR.
It's like Nokia 3310 vs Samsung S series. Of course the 3310 will use less RAM.
@@kuromiLayfe yes but in this case you can make Linux use less than 100MB if you disable services such as the window manager
@@kuromiLayfe mi linux system 170 mb ram
Don't care
the amount of overhead on windows in insane im literally crying
They like to load that Swahili font just in case you might decide to type something in a language that you have never used. It's just a few more MB. What's the harm ?
Oh... and have another piece of spyware too.
all that bloat and spyware
Mine is around 600-750Mb/5.9Gb. Arch Linux is truly something else...
Mine
Windows ram system is very complex especially after windows vista , there are a lot of useless stuff in ram just in case you need them , and when you need more ram it will remove the useless stuff and clear the ram for you; on Linux you do what you want with the ram , only your running software, a ram disk , some random software cache etc , both are pretty interesting and intelligent software
So tomito tomato!?
@@thamr3669 Potito potato
Thats true!
If you also have more Ram, it uses it more... In Idele my System Hovers about 12GBs of Ram i think from the 32 i have... And thats more than i had with 16...
Windows adjust the Page file of the System based on the amount of Ram you have
Ye ofc if u need more ram space other stuff will move to make way for it, but i have a 4 year old laptop and windows runs at a crawl. Ubuntu runs like lightning for the same functionality. Windows’ complex ram clearly doesn’t compensate for its expensive resource sucking
Did you just call Windows intelligent? An OS that wants to search for a solution online, when you have no internet connection?
800 is high for idle
me and my homies idle on 140
80mb idle on dwm
@@sesei2149 you have a custom kernel, right? I think only the kernel takes about 80MB for me
@@spicynoodle7419 not me somone named mental outlaw but i achieved 120mb on antix linux with dwm
@@tanawatjukmongkol2178 Gnome🗿
Antix OS using only 258 mb 🗿
Install Puppy Linux from a flash drive and run off of an SSD. Behold the resource efficiency!!!
In my company laptop, with the addition of company spyware and bossware, it idles at 4.5 GB RAM usage, which is over 50% of the computer's total RAM. Crazy
god, the old laptop i use for a serverbox only has 4gb total, this is horrifying
You just said idle, so what's the problem here exactly? Just like in this video, the computer is idle. If you're not actively needing that free RAM, why does it matter if the OS utilizes it to help performance? The claims about Windows data collecting being the cause of this ram usage is dubious at best, since nothing changes if you disable all telemetry services in Windows.
because then you only have 3gb for actual tasks vs 7GB if you were using linux @@aephos.overwatch
Modern computers cache stuff in RAM in case you need it. If that RAM is
needed for a running application, the operating system gives it to it.
But it's quite a bit faster than fetching data from storage and the
downside of this kind of memory use is exaggerated by people since it
uses memory that is not is in use by any other application.
@@aephos.overwatch The problem is the moment you have the gall to start using the computer and running programs.
telemetry man, it be doing some things
We promise it's good things...
No, we won't talk about what things exactly, stop asking!
@@shrouddreamer MS: it's a good thing... _For us_ . Oh how about you? Well that's a story for another day 🙂
I thought the same thing.
prefetch actually
@@shrouddreamer Til you disable and lose your Windows features because telemetry told them users don't use it enough
I have noticed that I save up a crap ton more ram just being on steam OS compared to my Dell laptop, which by the way would be idle after just powering it on and I would be using four of my 8 GB😂😂
Laptop battery on Linux: So anyway I started draining.....
windows will dedicate half of available memory for superfetch, which can boost performance with launching applications. When more ram is utilized by a single program, it will be reallocated accordingly.
While it would be nice for this to be optional in windows for benchmarking's sake, it doesn't affect system operation as much as you might think it does.
Then why does windows search take like over 10 times longer than krunner on Linux while also producing worse results?
@@RenderingUser yep native windows search is extremely slow but you can install programs on windows that search for stuff insanely fast compared to windows search. 'Everything' by developer voidtools is one great example. Microsoft is just bad at improving their native apps, it took them a million years to add tabs to the native file explorer too :/
@@RenderingUser because windows search is just bad
@@laserslime but hey it sure takes up some RAM
@@RenderingUser as a happy windows user, I have to agree with laserslime.... windows search is just bad. I think it honestly hits #1 in my cons list for windows.
Windows holds on to RAM, it will be treated as available - but it is a caching strategy. This changed in like windows 10, no idea why they didn't update resource manager to better reflect this.
There's linux tools to do something similar. And this "caching strategy" always slow down the pc, because it requires cpu speed.
Cached data aren't counted in calculating the memory used..
@@miguelhervaspalomares5978Huh? Your pc slows down? Is this some kind of poor joke?
This. This right here.
@@TheIronSavior Nope. Task manager doesn't show cache as memory usage. Windows really is bloated.
One of the distros I use is antiX and I enjoy seeing 200-300~MB RAM usage when I log in desktop
I can't remember the name of this musical piece and its killing me. Would anyone be willing to help?
I am seeing 60 FPS for the first time thanks to ArchLinux
I could never get Gnome to run at over 60fps, couldn't figure out why - only thing keeping me from giving Linux a proper go
Wait until you experience what 144hz is like. You’ll never want to go back.
@@Peter-xo6hx xfce looks like cancer
@@RossWasTaken there are settings that maybe you didn't check but also if you have multiple monitors that don't have the same refresh rate then things get a bit funky. or maybe your computer is exceptionally bad but idk
@@inconnn Yeah main is 144hz, secondary is 60hz so that may have been what caused it.
I am a Linux user personally, but I do have to point out that these numbers are slightly misleading. Windows will hold on to some of the memory as standby memory, which doesn't show up as free memory. This will be released to other processes if they need it.
However making the OS switch is well worth it, not just in terms of performance, security and customizability, but honestly many Linux distros have a better and more accessible user experience these days.
Bro.... Linux does the exact same thing of caching memory.
@@RenderingUser no shit, but it's displayed differently
@@collegeoffoliage6776 depends. Some process managers don't show. Some do.
@@RenderingUser fair. My main point is that the ram utilization on windows is very misleading usually
@collegeoffoliage6776 what linux os you use
I still get nightmares about that linux penguin 💀
why does windows show 7.9gb usable, and 7.61gb on Linux
Music - Lacrimosa by Mozart
🗿
Windows Idling be like: 6 Gigs of ram and 10 GB of committed page memory
1.8 gb for me while idle
Checked mine one time and it was at 22GB of page memory. Gotta jump to the Linux train some time soon
@@nathanwhitley967 u can just bring down the amount of page file or make it bigger
@@nathanwhitley967 Just like me, who tried Linux 3 times, you will probably regret it after trying to install simple programs that work fine on Windows and failing 85% of the time.
@@nathanwhitley967
You just need more RAM then
The Pengu noots are too accurate
It took me a solid 25 seconds to make what I was looking at.
What's crazy is that even Android uses more memory.
804m is actually a lot for linux if it is on idle
It’s actually pretty standard for most eye candy DEs like Gnome
@@LessThanPeachy Gnome 2400MB right now. 1 terminal window and 2 tabs in msedge.
@@ASDER-qs6yn 2.2 GB on KDE Plasma 5 with 2 brave tabs and 1 terminal window running htop. Usually idle on startup for me is around 1.5 - 1.8 GB, but I have some apps autostart.
I'm on plasma x11 (arch) idling at 1.3g/16g. I have wallpaper engine on and firefox w/ youtube. Also a few widgets like clearclock and some taskbar latte widgets.
Yeah, I run minimalist Gentoo which only uses 50MB idle, that also factors in dwm.
It hurts being unable to switch to Linux bc of the industry I’m going into not having software available 😢
IKR? While WINE has been relatively stable and easier over the years, some things like EAC and DRM stuff means it can be run.
@@WingMaster562 EAC does run on Linux. If the game ur playing doesn't work then either the developer is to lazy to switch implementations or they just don't want you to play on Linux. Simple as that. Also u don't have to believe me give it a google and you will stumble on a reddit post with a direct steam link where valve addresses this.
QEMU/KVM?
@@SimplyJeevs it's not only the game always. drivers can also suck and the game experience can suffer
@@Dr.Trustmeonthisone This is the answer to software issues. Use a full GPU passthrough VM if need be. Most everything works.
It also depends on the distro
Windows: you see RAM usage.
Linux: You see RAM.
Windows likes to keep stuff in cache (ram) in case you might ever need to access it again, rather putting it into swap.
Which is shitty... It kills my 32Gb RAM too often... Can't even use my AI models most of the time, without killing everything else...
@@somedudeonyoutubefrfr That's not how that works, and your AI models are going to need your GPU's VRAM more often than your system's RAM. And if your AI models were taking up that much of your system RAM, then everything else was going to get killed anyway. AI models require an extreme amount of resources.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Um yes, that’s how it works. Because I don’t have a hefty gpu, I have to use my RAM as well. I’m not a person with a A100 in my setup. And no, the model crashes, not the other stuff. Seems that you either have no clue about this or you don’t know enough of it… Or you’re running a rig with an rtx for image generation…
@@somedudeonyoutubefrfr Sounds like user error. So basically, skill issue.
@@potatoe4221 Yes, skill issue. Sorry, but my luxury cars, butlers, maids and houses don't pay themselves. The real skill issue are your bad edits on tiktok ^^
20 years ago, the Linux community was still boasting that Linux actually uses the RAM, while in Windows the philosophy was not to use it if possible, so that RAM was still free for newly loaded software. Today it's the other way around and now the Linux community is accusing Microsoft of this as a disadvantage.
Up toVista, Windows swapped the RAM file cahe to disk, which is retarded.
Welcome to the Linux community, where everything is better than other operating systems even if it isn't
@@draco5991rep I'm a Linux lover myself but I can't say Windows is shit, even if I hate it due to the amount of resources it consumes. The system would be perfect if they just stopped updating when the user didn't choose it (to hell with Windows Updates) and made the system more lightweight, but the money is all they care about. Can't blame them, I think I'd do the same...
@@lewisfalm I feel the same. However from a security perspective (which is pretty much all of the updates) it is pretty important to get those patched in as soon as possible.
My biggest reason for having a linux device is the massive amount of spyware microsoft uses.
@@lewisfalmwhy hate it for the amount of resources it consumes? It’s better tot use 90% than 5%. If you have the capacity, use it. It’s a waste of power if you don’t. And windows does tend to use it for either caching, indexing, preloading things that might be relevant, and yes, downloading security updates. Something you should be doing daily yourself otherwise and it doesn’t restrict you in anyway. So why the hate? 😅
well it took me almost to the end of the video to find the ram usage 😅
When my Gentoo install was fresh it used 65mb ram
The music makes it so much more dramatic. This is a masterpiece.
Music lacrimosa - Mozart - i love it.
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people on comments should had your insight to comment here - about the music, not to "fight OS's".
@@vacuxamunita gives me chills everytime i see this, especially those eyes.
@@Danjovisagat ; ehehehe sinister penguin!
When I first started using linux, I loved pulling up htop every time I installed a new distro and marveling at the idle state XD
Me with my Window Manager chilling at 350mb usage
the extensive htop roast in unjustified
AntiX running less than 300MB on idle with IceWM. Gives my 2008 HP a sense of purpose again 🥰
😊
Having task manager open kills the cpu 🗿 🍷
windows is so optimised!
@@fantik86 or maybe your specs are too old?
@@LiegeMaximo favourite phrase of average windows lover, but program usage depends on its code and OS logic. now explain me why windows is so bad at it
@@fantik86 I have used both. Currently i am back on linux mint. The thing which i dont like about windows are the ton of telemetry that consume alot of resources which in turn slows down the system as a whole.
But my major reason to come back on linux is because of programming and some core level stuff in general.
But that doesn't mean ill recommend linux to a normal user. Nope, linux is still not in the phase to be recommended to a normal user who just wishes to browse or do such tasks.
The whole concept of cli can be very confusing to them. Plus several stuff like the wifi and sound card can sometimes just stop all of a sudden ( have faced both issues ).
Just yesterday I had issues setting up my new tp link dongle. Spent 1-2 hrs to fix it properly.
@@LiegeMaximo oh, i have used both too (and now on linux for programming too lol)
windows is more corporative, and linux is more personal imo
Windows don't use so much memory by default. May be you run a web browser on background or you have some virus
It's like the old kbm vs controller debate
linux users when someone enjoys using windows:
Definitely! Also they like pain in their a*s😂!
Is that a joke. I've never seen someone enjoying Windows
@@dramaoppa7099 Then maybe you never saw anyone.
@@LiegeMaximo Ok I was generalizing but the only people who care about windows are maybe the sys admins who use Windows server or something.Average Windows users don't care about windows .They could be running Chrome OS for all they care.They just need their browser.While in the linux community,everyone is passionate about it to some extent and they actually know the definition of an Operating System
who actually likes windows? people tolerate it because it has a monopoly over software compatibility, but who actually likes it??
Im starting to believe Microsoft pays people to disparage linux with some of these comments
I knew it would be a mess down here, but I regret it even more
Neverending war for kids, like xbox vs. playstation or android vs. ios.
Linux better
I don’t understand how you could enjoy using Windows for anything. I get hating Mac and Linux a decade ago when Windows was good, but it is objectively terrible now. It is Borderline unusable for most work environments, is unbelievably unstable, and just eats up electricity doing completely meaningless tasks. I guess if you don’t use your computer for anything useful or are an engineer, then it could be a mediocre experience instead of an objectively horrible one.
@macicoinc9363 "and just eats up electricity doing completely meaningless tasks." Yeah, like the Microsoft Store downloading the HP Smart app for no apparent reason.
Even if i used linux, i still reccomend anyone to use windows because it have more app compatibality than linux.
@@qdzero457 yeah, including spyware, viruses, and trojans. Did I already say spyware?
If you are on Gentoo, everything is fine until you install a package
bruh who uses gentoo tho
@@actualblack hi
@@actualblack gentoo can be nice if, say, a browser ships with some feature not compiled in you'd like to have. If you have a remote building setup, it can also be a boon for embedded setups with architecture peculiarities you can accommodate using gentoo.
Also, with RISC-V making a serious break into the market now, gentoo might be a reasonable choice for RISC-V workstations, particularly those with a high core count.
@@actualblack theres actually quite a lot of people who use gentoo, mostly femboys tho. im not sure how they all unanimously agreed that they should use gentoo, but yeah. those people exist. other than that, not many.
Gentoo is pain to setup but very stable to use once it's done
The difference between the two is that one uses analytical data and the other uses calculations
When you use an AME PlayBook in windows, you have similar numbers.
I use Linux for work and Windows at home, gotta say my experience is kind of the opposite. Not in idle of course, but when I open things like Slack, IntelliJ, Gitkraken and a browser I quickly use up all the available memory in Linux while windows usually manages quite well.
Where can I find work like yours? I have to use Windows at work and I have a 64Gb laptop that's constantly using like 40Gb.
I use Linux at home obviously, so my experience is the opposite. Except with my RHEL based home-lab, it uses a lot of RAM.
Bro IntelliJ is the biggest RAM Hog ever on Linux. If you open it, please don't complain about not enough RAM
Slack uses chromium in the background as well which isn't very ram friendly
linux can be controlled remotely fyi
Irrelevant prerequisites and false conclusion, because in video we see experimenting on the same hardware, while in your situation they are different.
Windows always tries to utilize around 30~40% RAM, except when your RAM is unusually high.
Yep. I found out when I upgraded from 8 to 16 GB of ram.
linux tries to use 100% of RAM if you continuously work with the machine, browse files, compile code, ... caching everything is Linux' thing.
Ever played a 6-7 GB RAM Game on windows? after closing it windows will use about 900MiB of RAM, because it will clean its caches and stop caching while under pressure - just like linux
@@Kirides Windows tries to utilize around 30~40% of RAM in the BACKGROUND. Independent of what you're doing.
This is for the operating system itself. Not compiling, not gaming, nothing but the OS.
It's contextually obvious, and I shouldn't have needed to specify this. What you have stated here is essentially nothing. You can make any system hit 100% utilization of RAM by doing shit on the system. Do I really need to state this? Why am I even responding to this?
@@CyricRO You're so stingy rofl. Won't get far in life with that attitude
@@balen7555 That's not being stingy, that's exasperation. You won't get far in life with that lack of intelligence. This doesn't even require textbook level knowledge, you just google one thing, but I guess that's too difficult for people in 2023.
What linux distro is that???
When I had windows 11 it used 3.8gb of ram on startup, now that I use KDE neon I’m only getting 1.1gb of idle usage
Cached RAM is not actually “used”, it is in use just to load things faster but windows can free it if another process request to
yeah cache is a lower priority than apps it'll be removed when the sys needs more memory plus unused memory is wasted memory
the sad thing here is that windows doesn't include cached ram into this number, so "used" ram is indeed "used"
@@NucEn it does just look a bit closely to the memory's section in task manager
@@randomguy15865 hover over the "memory composition" part here. You'll see that it consists of 4 parts: in use, modified, standby (cached) and free (most people won't even have this). As you see in hover info, the number shown corresponds only to the first section.
@@NucEn windows doesn't include cache as used memory because cache is a lower priority that apps it'll be deleted from memory when the system needs more ram to run a game or something.