US vs SE PRS Silver Sky: A Luthier's Comparison | Teardown & Review
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- Ben and Josh are comparing two PRS Silver Sky guitars. What's the difference between the US-made guitar and the SE?
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0:00 Introduction and The Guitar Show
0:45 Chatting about the differences between the two PRS Silver Sky guitars
15:13 Necks are off and the inspection begins
19:31 After great deliberation Ben and Josh prefer ........
23:15 The radius and the headstock
26:08 Back together and a little work on the necks - off camera
26:28 All together - matching strings and pick-up heights - what's the difference?
29:37 Conclusion
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I have the silver sky se in the same color as the video. It is the best dang guitar I have owned. I have flat wound 11 strings for jazz. It sounds amazing, ridiculously comfortable to play and looks pretty decent. I highly recommend it
I have a PRS 245 SE which I bought recently from Andertons for the ridiculous price of £399 as it was an end of line for the 2022 range. It is a superb instrument, in fact unbelievably good for that price, I have no idea how they do it. It came perfectly set up out of the box, I haven't touched the action or the nut and both are perfect. It looks beautiful and plays beautifully.
Great video! Would love to see video of Ben modifying and upgrading his Silver Sky SE! Even some of the relic techniques, etc. Loved the detail in this vid. Thanks!
Love this video! I love the way you brilliant chaps go into the esoterics of guitars that most people never pay attention to, that is, if they ever notice them in the first place.👍
The American pups have more chime. Id never buy the USA version but I want an SE
Great video. Thanks!
I've been eyeing up the PRS SE hollowbody Piezo for quite a while and your brief comments on how amazing it is has only cemented that desire.
He's not lying either. That is one hell of a guitar!
I'm not even a guitar player. But I enjoy this content. The craftsmanship that goes into the guitars, the choices made to lower prices on the SE versus the US.
I think an interesting comparison would be the SE vs a Strat at the same price point (MIM). I might have seen one hanging on the rack toward the end of the video. As to the comparison between the SE and the US version, early in the comparison you were talking about a possible tone difference between the rosewood and maple necks, but with two different sets of pickups would that difference be noticeable? The SE was definitely ‘warmer’ to my ears but is because of neck or the pickups? In any case, the brightness of the US version can always be tamed at the amp (or any combination of pedals should one lean that way).
More videos like this on the other big names might be fun for everyone, especially as the museum collection grows while all these other guitars pass through GGG. Speaking of which, time to place another order. 😂
Great video, thanks for all the info. I like both guitar sounds, the USA has that chimey sound that allows for more articulation in the higher frequencies, so that is my choice. However, the SE sounds just great as well. I played both at a store, the American version has a more open sound. Differences include standard tuners vs Locking tuners, Synthetic nut vs bone nut, 635JM S pickups 635 JM (2021 and forward - version 2). 2 point tremolo vs 6 point tremolo, Poly finish vs Nitrocellulose, Multi ply neck vs Scarfed neck, frets are larger on the US version, 8.5 radius neck 7.25 radius neck, polar wood vs alder wood. Wood grain on the US version looks better and the SE version poly looks a little plastic in comparison to the US version.
My usa made silver sky was made in 2018. When I play it and my finger touches the pick guard… it can have a static sound coming through pickups. Interested to see the difference here.
Great review and comparison ! Which one did you end purchasing ?
I dug the SE and believe it's a really good guitar. Not just bang for the buck, but good period. I would have no problem gigging it and think it would make an excellent workhorse. It was ultimately the gateway to a core model Silver Sky and I don't think they're even close. The chunkier neck (on the 21 or newer rosewood model) is so good. The fit and finish is objectively better, in every regard. The frets, the fret dressing, the rolled fingerboard edges, the nitro finish, the locking keys, the nut, the acoustic resonance of the wood. The pickups are the best strat style pickups i've played, including vintage and Fender custom shop models.
Just seems to me that you can get roasted maple neck, flame maple tops, stainless steel frets, locking tuners, seymour duncan pickups, nice tremolo and controls etc on ~£600-800 guitars from the same factory - why would anyone opt for the deliberately munged PRS SE that's only munged so that PRS can flog a £2k guitar that's probably worth about £50 more than the SE version? It's not even like PRS designed anything here - it's a Fender copy. "Americans have to eat" - well not really they're 350lbs.
Very good comment - "resistance in the pots" (sic) what else should variable resistors have?
Your vids have kept me sane since we got power back (I'm in Napier, NZ... had a bit of flooding recently). BTW I prefer the SE irrespective of price, though I woul;dn't say no to either 🙂
The SE might be a little warmer but my ears hear a a distinct improvement in clarity across the tone range on the American giving it a cleaner sound.
And if you want the American to sound warmer, just roll off the tone a little, doesn't work the other way around though.
Awesome video, IV played both, the USA one is awesome but I can't afford one. I'm going down tomorrow to pick up a stone blue se, unless they've got a used USA. I will be happy with the se if that's what I get I know. They are just great guitars. Thanks for the great look at both. Awesome job guys, I learned a lot. IV played for over 50 yrs. What a treat to see what makes up a good guitar. Subscribed. Take care.
Yes the pickups are different but would the saddles and nut play a big part in the sound difference?
Does anyone know why the USA silver sky has resistors on the pickups?
great video !
Thanks!
Which Canadian guitar company was it that did the routing after finishing? Godin?
what is that pointy headstock in the background attached to?
Can you let us know what you do to your SE when you mod it? Thank You! Great video.
can we see a compare/contrast vid of relic finishing between putting the finished body in a freezer V's using plumbers freeze spray, please?
Great vid! Kind of liked the sliver sky pups better more, less boom or “mud”. But would want to eq the amp a bit before giving up on them. Would love to put a humbucker in the se. I will say tho the local shop has the green one (woof on the colour for me :0) but desperately needs a setup and it sounds almost dead strumming unplugged. Strings likely dull but when u strummed the se unplugged it seemed to have similar qualities from this side of the vid. Hoping new colours send existing line up plunging in used prices. Would love to grab a used se to goof with.
Did you make a note of the value of the resistor in parallel with the US pickups? It'd be interesting to try them with it disconnected
It appears to be a way to get consistent loading by the vol pot, IMHO a bad idea, it will cut the highs slightly (use the tone control), and a resistor in this position is a noise generator. They should insist on tighter tolerance control from their pot supplier. The wiring diagrams I found on the net have a single 3m3 resistor across the vol pot; the move to the PU is prob. also an attempt to get consistent output from the PUs. Designed by an accountant?
Was watching this with my Strat in hands, not playing and almost got a heart attack when there was a note playing around 25:25 and 25:40, not knowing where it came from^^ Great video though!
P.S. As far as i know PRS uses Switchcraft switches and CTS potis modified to their likings (some plastic washer missing inside or so, making them turn almost without resistance)
Is there any difference between those 2 colors? They have different names but not sure if the same?
The USA sounds brighter, has more clarity, almost pristine tone. The SE has a warmer tone. I think they both have an incredible sound in the neck+mid position!
Also on that resistor on the back of the US pickups... I think the goal there was to replicate a humbucker by paralleling a resistance. A coil is simply a resistive load that creates an electromagnet when energized. 2 coils in parallel cancel the hum by inverting the sine waveform to oppose the first coil's wave. While this doesn't replicate a humbucker, it does work to replicate the signal canceling effect of a humbucker.
@@allstopblue5717 agreed
Wow! How revealing! The SE was amazing and often preferable too, shockingly! When you refinish your SE neck, it would be great if you could film the process! Would you retain the logo…..? 🥰🥰🎸🎸🍷🍷
So the sort of finish that's on the american one will age and "relic" with play and use? I've got nitro on a les paul and I don't see any wood popping out any time soon, but some nitro guitars supposedly look like they've been through war after a couple of years. Which one is this?
i just bought the exact colour SE so looking forwards to seeing how that goes when it arrives... Im lucky to own a 63 Strat so it will be a thorough comparison..
What were your thoughts?
listening to Paul (PRS) describe (guardedly) the process they have gone through designing the pickups, Both the difference in sound and the resistor across the pickup make a lot of sense from that view point. I would be interested to know if all pickups have the same value of resistor or if they are hand picked for each PU. The pickups are a tuned resonant filter of their own sound (according to PRS). This why some pickups (and pickup makers) have a reputation, I think. The body wood or the nut material (not sure which) makes a difference in the acoustic sound. PRS makes a big deal about how long a string rings. While you may prefer the "warmer" sound of the SE, I suspect the US model gives the guitarist/mixer more to work with (more harmonic content) in the first place and the US model may be easier to place in the mix.
I would suggest the difference in price is a mix: labour (both cost per hour and hours per unit) and materials. The machining is likely identical... just 'cause it would cost more to do it different.
Both guitars sounded good but different to each other. I do wonder though if you compared two USA Silver Sky guitars back to back and two SE models in the same way you’d notice a difference in tone, I suspect that you would. In my experience no two guitars ever sound exactly the same. Incidentally I’m not in the market for either as I own far too many Stratocasters.
Something seemingly as minute as the differences in the wood's grain patterns can make the same kind of guitars sound differently, and even if one had been sanded ten seconds longer than the other guitar then that too can also make a big difference in tone. That's why each guitar is different, sounds differently and is truly an individual.
Not sure if PRS uses TCI process on US core silver sky… I know with the McCarty cores that have the TCI pickups, you shouldn’t really notice a difference since they’re all tuned to get that signature sound.
What’s the Canadian brand you mentioned Josh? I’m Canadian and follow/love the brands we have here.
When Ben said he only played it a few minutes before switching to another guitar he’d brought home, I thought it was going to be another YT “let’s bash on the Silver Sky” video, but then he said the other guitar was the Piezo II SE, and I thought, “Oh, fair play.” I have both, and that Piezo II SE is an absolutely astounding guitar, and proof that guitars made in China can be just as good as any build elsewhere in the world, if not better.
Great video folks.
China? Aren't SEs made in Indonesia?
@@rovidelarosa I believe most of theirs are now, however the HB II Piezo SE was made in China. Lots of folks had a problem with that when it released... especially as it was (is) an expensive guitar to be coming out of China. However I feel it demonstrates that if you allow a shop the time and the components to make a quality instrument, you'll get one regardless of where it's made (including China). I love mine.
The '63-'64 neck carve are based off of John Meyers personal '63 and '64, from what I've been lead to believe
I think I heard the same. And 635 pickup designation because they're in-between his 63 and 64 sets.
Say that again about the new SE surf colours? Where did you guys hear that? Also: I have the original and my frets are not sharp, or noticeable so I think you guys might have a poor example of US fretwork.
Bravo Guys《☆》The USA model sounds absolutely Silky more FENDERish👍🏾🇺🇸🤳The bridge pickup actually sounds like a Humbucker. I'd put a WRHB on the SE just for giggles✌🏼😎☯️
I’ve got an Se Silver Sky & for me it’s an awesome guitar, my only electric & really doubt I’ll ever need another 😏 really admire the design & engineering effort PRS & JM put into creating an affordable version of the SilverSky but like the Santana SE it’s not a ‘cheap’ & ‘nasty’ by any means 👌
Of course you'll need another guitar, we always need another guitar. I own 11 guitars so far and i'm desesperate to buy, at least, 3 other to expand the collection.
The appropriate number is "at least one more".
Love to see an SE relic for sure.
These guitars have really grown on me
I like Alpha pots & have kept them in some of my guitars.
The SE pickups also come from the factory as the Squier pickups. They have basically the same stickers. Just a fact I’ve noticed neither good or bad.
I can’t afford either at the moment unfortunately but I would get the SE if I could.
Cort make some bloody good PUs, those on my Bullet Mustang are great
During the tone test it is obvious the audio was not the same clock time as the video clock time as you would pick one guitar and move to the other palm that guitar before you pick it and the ringing tone from the previous guitar would stop.
I'd like to see a US Silver Sky compared to a US high end Strat! You don't have to be a John Mayer fan to appreciate how good he is when it comes to playing guitar. The dude has swagger! Not Ben Swagger but Swagger none the less! The US sounds like a strat, the SE doesn't! Close but not quite. Nice video my brothers. ✌️ & 💕
They have done comparisons of Silver Sky's to Genuine 1963/4 era strats, custom shop Fender Strats, Similarly priced Fender Strats etc etc - there was a LOT of video's around after it released... Tim Pierce compared it to a vintage strat himself if you want to check out what a 'genuine' 60's Fender Strat that costs about 60k these days...
A Squire can 'sound' as good, but whether it lasts as long physically - things like more fret wear due to cheaper fret wire quality, more wear/tear on hardware (electronics/pots), jack plate and jack connection, will it be as 'stable' - maybe move more with climate or temperature (Start a cold gig in tune, but as it warms up, the neck moves is not great - but 'good enough if you play at home all the time to keep a more consistent climate) etc. Sound is only one part of what makes a guitar 'worth' the money or not. In a mix, it doesn't matter, as long as you are in tune and in time with the others - a 'squire' can still sound 'very' good through a good pedalboard, amp, cab etc - even if its not the 'best' strat sound you've heard when comparing 'dry'.
It's what the whole package offers, sound, aesthetics, quality/reliability, playability, extras (Case/Bag) etc etc and your 'budget' that determines if its 'good' enough for you. If I was 'Elon Musk' or as Rich as he is, a 60k Original 60's Fender might not be 'good' enough when you could buy Gilmores Strat or maybe even a Hendrix played Strat - nothing gets 'better' than the Strats that everyone identifies as 'the' iconic Strat sounds...
If you only have upto 1k to spend, an SE maybe 'good enough' and get 'close enough' to their 'core' counterparts that its not worth spending 'more' on a Core. Another may think the 1 piece Mahogany bodies with Solid high quality flamed maple caps, 1 piece Mahogany necks, Rosewood fingerboards with MoP/Abalone Birds, US Pups that do sound better, Better quality fretwire and fret finishing in general - more polished - made by PRS, not made FOR PRS to PRS 'specs' to hit a 'price-point.' using many pieces to shape a guitar and veneers to look pretty and hide multi piece tops.
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have to say this think the camera person was falling asleep on this one.. good thing we are here for the guitars and people in front of the camera ;)
I have a moon white 1, as well as dessert burst Yamaha revstar, another PRS SE Paul's guitar , a Gordon Smith hss strat with coil split, boost, and Gilmour switching via push/pull pots, another GS double cut with Seymour Duncan P-rails and switching rings , an Eastman junior with a P90, an a second Eastman SB59V coming soon as well as a Koa Breedlove and a Takamine parlour , and a Cort G290 FAT the only maple board guitar I have! I love them all! if you want to relic my silver sky se, let me know??
Apart from the body thickness another thing I like about the SE is the more "rounded" nature of the body, more sucked "sweet" look. It's also what I like about some of the recent Mexican Strats too. I dislike the squared off look. It's just rounding over thing but it make a big difference to looks. Btw I also like Poplar too, ha, ha. On the pickups I wonder if this is why both Seymour and Fender have produced pickups which are somewhat similar to the old "Big Dippers" ? Best, Pete.
Ive noticed the same thing with ltd vs esp. My ltd h-1001 classic is so good, i dont see a reason in buying an esp. The finish with the deep black and full mother of pearl inlays and binding is absolutely beautiful.
Where can I find details of how to send a guitar for a nitro relic.
Contact them via the Crimson website to get a quote.
On the big strums, the US sounded like it had more overtones going on...but...phew...it's all pretty close. Nice job here!
The Pit and the Pendulum ! A fitting end for a Chibson perhaps !
Ben do you have any firefly guitars 🤘🤙
The moon white would look very natural if it was aged. That's what I have and I. Very tempted to age it and mod it.
I have an SE,nice guitar but i noticed the neck pocket is not flush on mine and others.
mine is flush
The switch on US Silver Sky is an original CRL switch, around 30$. I find hard to believe there a Schaller switch on the SE to be honest, cause it is even more expensive than a CRL.
And the CTS pots on US version are a must ;)
Such a good video🤘.I would prefer the Indonesian one. I find the sound more pleasant. It's just a shame that the neck isn't clean, even for the price. Thanks for the video🔥
Thanks for watching!
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Very gladly. I like your videos.
Is there an advantage in the six screwed trem vs the two screw one? It seems odd that Fender tend to use the two screw version for their more expensive US made general guitars (Such as their Professional II and Ultra models), while PRS use the six screw variant on their more expensive version.
The extra screws are just to fool the blues lawyers, no difference
PRS also use 6 screws on pretty much every SE except for the SE Sky. It's not just reserved for more expensive versions. The expensive Fiore uses 2 screws. I'd guess the signature models are down to artist personal preference rather than one being better or worse.
But it is curious the two Sky models use different systems when other models are usually consistent up and down the range.
I think this is the fifth or sixth guitar I’ve heard Ben say he’ll buy one of for his own personal collection since the Giveaway started! Does Mrs Bun concur…? 😂😂😂
No mention of fret size?
No mention of neck carve?
RE: the pick ups.... I have a dragonfruit SE. The pick-up windings aren't soldered. They are crimped into the "cardboard" base material. I know this because my neck pickup came apart recently. I squeezed it all back together. Working now.... but yeah... a little walmart-esque
I like both sound wise but the US has a Brighter Attack and clarity to it where as the SE is a darker softer attack with a more mellow ring to it what I wonder is if it is either because of the different pickups so maybe swapping the usa Pickups to the se or if it is the whole maple vs rosewood debate also I wonder if the neck pocket dimensions are the same and if so you could essentialy put a USA Silver Sky Neck on a SE Body and maybe that would be the difference also the acual thickness of the finish could be a factor as well 🙂
The strumming machine just reminded me of a ukulele maker in the US who has built a sound proof box with a get up inside that repeatedly strums his builds . He puts them in the box and has it strum each one a million times and says the vibrations break in the timber to artificially age it and sound more played in mature. Somebody actually did that 🤷🏻♂️ apparently it takes like three days and he can hear it in the background of his workshop all day 🤪
There is a lot of magical thinking in instrument makers ... or rather in their clients that they have to impress. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please make a video with a different finish to the SE!
You guys must have got a good SE then. Mine had fret sprout and the nut wasn't cut properly. Plus, the fingerbord has a sharp edge to it, defintley needs to be rolled. With that said, I will be doing a video showing how I fix mine up.
I like both, and actually like the slightly warner pickups on the SE. What is noticeably different is that the SE is narrower at the nut.... Some may like it but I find the SE is just way too cramped, If not for the narrow fingerboard, I would buy the SE today.
nice to know your eye-crometer is fairly accurate.
my only complaint with the SE is the colors they choose last year. i have a mim strat that is a similar blue. i like that color there but that dragon fruit and green color was not my style at all. ill have to look into getting one when the new colors come out.
Agree. The blue was/is okay. The other three colors are hideous.
I have a PRS se and also a PRS core model.I have had static issues with the core model ,and after changing the nut in the SE model I much prefer the SE model . Sometimes I wish I had never purchased the core model ,which in my opinion is overrated.
The USA model sounds a bit brighter and the pickups have more clarity and note definition. That said, I'd be very happy with either guitar.
It looks like the USA Silversky has a CRL 5-way Lever Switch and the pots are CTS Vintage-Style Dish Back.
In the SE, it look a Oak Grigsby 5-Way Lever Switch.
The real test would be swapping the necks and then A/B them. You're not going to test the rosewood v maple if you don't eliminate the poplar v alder.
Wouldn’t the nut material also make a difference to the brightness
"is he nine?" *checks watch* killed me haha
Whatever happened to the "distressed" Silver Sky SE?
My SG has a lite nitro finish and it resonates like an acoustic guitar. What I am saying is it is loud unplugged.
I can hear the cheap plastic resonate. I don't know if the sound is less organic?
You mentioned resistors on the US guitar. They look like diodes. Can you explain?
My best guess, it’s a capacitor and a resistor … parallel. I think these are newly designed pickups. Haven’t seen them before in a SS.
Fabulous review would go for the SE carnt see spending £2000 more for any difference is the difference any better ???. Have a great set up can not lose .could buy a used a crimson with the change 😅😅😅😅😅
Bought an SE, love it, was thinking of buying the USA one, now I won't bother.
I wonder how much the difference in tone would be if the SE was upgraded to US hardware?
I would check the resistance on the pots first. CTS pots can have 15% tolerance, which is more than enough to account for the difference between these two guitars.
Yeah, the SEs are amazing guitars, but at least in the audio of the video here, the US Silver Sky has definitely more of that bite you want from a Strat. The SE sounds nice and all, but it's more "generic" sounding and it doesn't do the Strat-thing all that well. Might be a different story in the room, though.
That said and assuming both have the same strings on: If you _could_ buy the US pickups and pop them in the SE Silver Sky, you'd probably be 90% there anyway. Sadly, PRS doesn't sell those separately.
Also, it's too bad there's no SE option with a maple fretboard.
You guys tricked me at the sound test. The open strum I preferred the one on the right, oh that was the USA one because that's where it was before. Then I realized no, it has the rosewood board. The slightly warmer sound is more musical to my ears. There are a little more shimmers to the USA model that on certain pickup selections sound better and others not so much so.
I would like to see a telecaster version.
Any idea what the new colors will be?! Great video ❤
Prs DGT SE vs PRS DGT Core next maybe 🤔
Is it just me or does he strum next to the neck pickup on the US and strums next to the middle pickup on the SE? Of course that is going to make a difference in tone... except it should be in the opposite direction, sounding brighter when strummed closer to the bridge. The difference should be even more pronounced when strummed in the same position on each guitar.
25:24 it plays itself, thats nice
Are you guys lying about the fret ends being sharper on the core model? I don't care one way or the other about any other observational comparisons you made because it's a factual and well done vid. I owned a core SS, then bought one SS SE as a backup and I then realised that the fretboard radius was much easier for me on the SE so I bought another SS SE and sold the core because i knew i would never play it again.But my core was some boutique shit,no sharp fret ends , and the pickups were also noticeably better than the SE version but not enough to matter to me.Both of my SS SE's came with sharp fret ends, one slightly worse than the other. This vid is only 3 weeks old so maybe prs have improved quality control in indonesia and gone to the shitter in the USA during that time, because I had a 2018/2019 core model and i also bought my SS SE's in their first run, pre-ordered. I am not a maier fan btw, i just knew they were great guitars.I like him but I wouldn't put makeup and a dress on to be his "main squeeze backdoor supermodel lady" for a night either
I get the feeling that major brands don't mind their import guitars cutting into the sales of their US-made lines these days. Import guitars sell in so much higher volumes that that's where most of their profit is. The US made stuff is probably becoming more and more of a prestige/brand thing and less of a money maker.
I think I saw you buying a US silver sky a few weeks ago!
To my ears the US model seems brighter and more defined than the cheapest version
Love Strat’s, love John Mayer, based on the sound demo alone I wouldn’t buy either of these Silver Sky’s. Both have an ‘ice pick like’ treble side and lack some mid-range, although the SE does have a slightly warmer tone. That’s not to say that either of these Silver Sky’s wouldn’t sound good in a studio situation or live when some dynamic tonal separation is needed in the mix.
I worked at Parker guitars in the nineties. Even back then we were routing cavities into painted bodies.
Funny, on the bench I do prefer the SE sound, however when Josh plays it, I find the US version much more consistent and pleasant.
19:23 Looks like a CRL switch to me ;D
I like the way the SE sounds better and don’t see how they can really justify the price difference.
The PRUS has a much more chimey, silvery sound than the PRSE, almost like a slight chorus a faint reverb/echo. I really like it. It doesn’t sound 2 grand better, but I think it’s more about supporting US built guitars rather than import ones for many.
(And labour in the US simply _is_ more expensive)
Pots have around 10% tolerance, which is more than enough to account for the difference in tone.
@@kitmoore9969 May very well be, or just different voicing-I‘m not saying it‘s a sign of higher quality. It‘s just what I noticed about these two examples and what I prefer about the PRUS.
The American definitely sounded more chime like at the end but not sure if it was 2000 dollars better
Tone difference at the start could be the strings too. Are the 2 guitars strung with the same brand version and gauge?
Are the giveaways open to viewers in U.S.? I thought they were, but I can't remember and I'm usually a wishful thinker.
As to the video, I think the U.S. model sounds better, but certainly not enough to justify the $1,500 increase in price. Once they release a maple boarded SE, I'll find it very difficult not to get one.
The draws are open anywhere it's legal for you to enter. The legal problems arise in your country/state, rather than in the UK. Crimson will happily ship it globally. I know some US states don't allow residents to enter draws even if they're operated out of state - it's all very much down to your end. But also ... How would they know you won it in a draw...