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Good work Scotty, look forward to one day meeting you in person again, keep up the good work!
By chance, have you checked out Rich Rebuilt's recent video on charging stations? And No this is not another Tesla video story.
I think Tesla should give you an electric car to use for a year. Then you can tell us what you think with a very detailed breakdown.
I got a 2006 Saturn ion 2.2. I'm fixing change the ignition switch any special way after I change to get it set right to start it?
Evs will be the biggest environmental disasters in human history
The minimum range should be considered as the "worst case" range. Meaning, in freezing winter (deduct 30%), after 10 years of ownership (deduct 25%), and on the highway (deduct 20%). So if you know you need 150 miles range, you'll actually need a 360 mile battery. If you need 300 miles range, you'll need a 700-mile battery.
ICE cars are rated in best case scenario situations as well.
How aggressive is your percentage distributions?
@@spoton4711 And also lose MPG in cold weather. If you can start it.
More likely you will not see a 10 year old electric car because of the cost of replacement or the vehicle burnt to the ground because the battery shorted out.
lol, thats why they put on new Semi 500 miles.. which means you will see a lot of them stuck out of charge:)
My biggest concern isn't the range, it's how expensive it is to replace those cells, and the environmental impact on replacing and manufacturing these battery cells.
To me, the flexibility of the gas powered car is so much better than the anxiety of an EV - I made a wrong turn on an outing awhile back, and ended up in the boonies, such a nice feeling to be able to quickly fill up with gas, and head back without range anxiety.
Tesla has turned off fast charge for cars that they feel are unsafe (repaired and salvaged) or if you get behind on payments. I do not someone in an office 2000 miles away turning off my ability to travel
I hear what you're saying but you really do get used to it after a while.
This is why we need hydrogen EV, like europe and japan. They hydrogen cells refill in 5 to 10 min, and have a far superior range. Watch a video of two brothers driving one from poland to Portugal, driving in shifts. Two fill ups the whole way. Look into people, hydrogen is the real future.
@@PD-yd3fr Why not? Americans happily accept pharma companies "cutting off" insulin when someone can't pay. Only in America...
@@alextryon9227 The problem is, where does the hydrogen come from? Not very easy on a national scale.
You didn't talk about battery life, materials needed to rebuild the batteries, were to get those materials, diminishing capacity, extreme temperatures, lack of infrastructure, vandalism, increased likelihood of total loss in accidents and finding mechanics that can work on the vehicle. I appreciate your channel! EVs are not going to be for me for a long long time.
Eight years ago we bought a Chevrolet Spark EV that had a range of 84 miles. Keeping in mind that it was a cheap car that used early battery technology, now at 55,000 miles, the range is about 60 miles. Still, almost all the driving we do is in the Spark. And I've spent zero dollars on maintenance. Our gasoline powered Mazda MX5 is only occasionally needed for its increased range. It's mostly driven because we need two cars. We fill the tank about once a month. Another benefit: the Mazda has required fewer oil changes and it has very low mileage on the odometer. It's been a total win for us. (BTW, at 6¢ per kilowatt hour for charging after midnight, it costs me 2¢ per mile to drive.)
Lol, there is a problem when you turn to an MX5 to solve range issues! P.s. i have a Mk3 mx5 that has a max range of about 300 miles
The ideal of "less is more" seems to have disappeared in American culture and my local family shows a textbook example of that with everyone who can drive owning their own set of wheels which is usually a pickup or crossover that weighs nearly 4000 lbs. Yet, here I am with a mk-IV MX-5 (not a hybrid) that weighs around 2300 lbs and I get the same mileage as these hybrid trucks.
I am like you in 2022. Got a 2016 Spark for 13k. This Summer it was doing 99 miles of range but now that its cold I am doing roughly 68 miles with heat off. I bought it with 31k miles in May now it's December and I have 34k miles on the odometer. I basically try to use it for all my trips around the city I even do some things I probably shouldn't with the car and I put some things in the back that I shouldn't but the whole idea is to avoid going to the gas station. Unfortunatly this car will not accomadate a small trailer. GM will vold the warrentee if you do that. I have a extended warrentee and the verdict is still out that I can get a battery replacement if I goes bad. But that is what I am hoping for when that day comes so I don't want to gambl e with a trailer hitch.
@@schwarzwolfram7925 and here I am with my corvette with a V8 getting almost the millage as your mx5 only my car is fast and can go around a corner
@@nathantrafford8912 corvettes get good highway mileage.
I have a 1961 Jaguar MK2 still running beautifully. Still can get parts without a problem. Wonder how many current EVs will be around in 20 years nevermind 61.
Scotty is 100% correct about the fact that the infrastructure to support EV's is simply NOT in place at this time................. Thanks again Scotty
It depends on your circumstances. I can plug-in my EV every night in my garage if I want. My commute is about 65 miles each day. With 280 miles of range, it is no problem for my car. I never have to waste time at a gas station and the electricity is much cheaper than gasoline for a comparable size car. Sure, if you live in an apartment or otherwise do not have access to an outlet where you park then it may be impractical. It all depends on your circumstances.
I just went on a 950 mile trip to Alabama. I didn't need charging stations but more rest stops. Screw the charging stations we need porta potties on rt81 especially in PA. Old guys pee a lot. BTW I made the trip in a 23 year old Subaru. EV would have needed 2 expensive battery swaps.
But in order to expand EV charging infrastructure, people have to start buying them. People who buy EV's in 2022 are essentially sacrificing convenience for a better future for the planet. I don't know about you but the idea of breathing in wildfire smoke for 8 months of the year sounds a hell of a lot worse than not being able to drive my car more than 200 miles at a time.
@@rhysmckinstry3620 wildfires are due to prohibitions on tree cutting needed to halt fire spread. If you are into the CO2 coolaid EVs are still powered by recycled dinanasors.
Again, totally depends on where you live. I have a friend with a Tesla in LA who rents an apartment. He and his wife have to do more planning on where to park/shop when they are out so they can charge up, but gas was almost $7 a gallon, so they are saving a ton of money, even paying for 3rd party charging.
That’s how changes started here in Norway. An EV for commuting and a gas car for long trips. Then charges begun popping up everywhere. And now EV sales are at around 80%. Gas only at 6 %. Rest are hybrids.
Out of curiosity, are your gas prices really low now because of lack of demand?
@@jlsheppard2329 Could have been I guess, but since the outbreak of the war in Ukraine prices on both electricity and gas has spiked.
California is the only state that has enough chargers for Tesla's . The grid can't take it , they tell people not to charge during peek usage hours.
EVs were heavily subsidised and gas cars heavily taxed. That had a massive impact on EV take up.
@@Backs4more Just to correct you a little, EVs were exemted from taxes, not subsidized. That policy has somewhat changed lately though as taxes are partially brought back.
I wish that there was a car maker that specialized in selling vehicles that consumers can easily repair themselves...like in the old days when cars were much simpler. Thank you Scotty!
That used to be Ford. Then then California started forcing more electronical things for "feul economy " and "protecting the environment"
Sono motors and Aptera both want to be that company. They're years off from that being a reality
@@pixelfairy And Aptera isn't really a car, so be sure to check all the safety regulations they get to avoid before putting anyone you care about in one.
@@Vlasko60 their current model is not a car. The next one on their list is planned to be.
There is Bollinger. They're really expensive though.
I know a guy who took what should have been a 12 hour drive and because he was on the east coast there was no chargers . In that area What should have taken 12 hours took him 36 hours because of the slow charging AND when he was charging it was costing over $100 for about 3/4 range plus excruciatingly long time charging . THEY AINT WORTH IT!
Lmao! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm not surprised
Find out the route and the car. Go onto "a better route planner" and check it out. There are so many fast chargers these days. If this was several years ago there were far fewer chargers AND charging speeds then were much slower. My grandpa drove a model T from Minnesota to California after graduating from high school. I imagine his top speeds were 40-45 mph, if the roads were decent. Should I apply that to ICE cars now?
my sister has a tesla model 3, standard range. It took her 7 hours to get from LA to Vegas, with two stops for charging. What should have been 4 1/2 hrs at most.
If it took that much more time they certainly didn't have a Tesla and probably had one of the slow charging EVs (there are definitely some). The sad truth is that if you want to be distance running an EV, you kinda have to do Tesla. Other options don't tend to cut it.
For some people, the Tesla will be just about as fast. For others, it won't be (5 minute fill up vs 30 min), depends on driving style.
We have a 2011 Leaf and a 2012 RAV4. The combination has been perfect for us. We live in a small community where what might appear to be a limited Leaf range is plenty to get around with for daily use. The RAV4 is for long distance/camping and has only 72,000 miles thanks to the Leaf that has picked up 68,000 miles. As said, one electric, one gas is the way to go if you can. Side note: I would replace the Leaf battery before I'd spend the excessive amount needed for a new EV. The advanced tech is overkill. Get what you need, no more, no less.
I think that's why the dual fuel hybrids, like the RAV4 Prime, make a lot of sense. Get the best of both worlds in one vehicle....if you can get your hands on one. Range isn't so great at about 40 miles for running purely on electric, but it's probably good enough for most local driving.
The whole "ElEcTrIc CaRs DoN't HaVe EnOuGh RaNgE!!!!" always struck me as a weird argument. Not that I think they have enough range for cross country trips, but most families have a big family vehicle that goes on all the vacations. Then there's another, smaller vehicle which one spouse uses for their daily commute and running errands. When I was a kid, we had a Suburban and an AMC Javelin. I don't think the Javelin ever went 50 miles in a single day. So sure, I couldn't see owning only electric cars at this point, but it would make perfect sense for one out of two cars for most families. Now the actual environmental impact, that's a whole other can of worms.
The difference between EV and gas for me is that when I drove from NY to MO _"non-stop"_ I only stopped for gas which is only a 5 minute stop, as you said. With an EV I'd have to stop for a few hours collectively to make that trip, at least.
NY to MO is roughly 1,000 miles. If you drive 250 miles per charge, then you'd make three stops, for a total charging time of about 90 minutes. Your final charge, a fourth one, would be at your destination. During such a long trip, if you do it safely, you should make occasional stops anyway ... like, maybe every 250 miles. Just sayin'.
@@donaldstinnett5630 try lindenhurst NY to ofallon MO
Rent a car for those longer trips!
Most EV cars now charge to 80% in 30 minutes or less (charging station allowing). Some are down to half of that. It is the last 20% that will take ages. So it makes sense that you wouldn't fully charge the car. In the time that it takes to go to the lu and get a coffee and a snack you have another 200 miles of range which at 65 miles per hour is another 3 hours of driving.
You never stopped to eat, stretch your legs, or even use the restroom?
My gripe with battery powered e.v.s is two fold. One, and most important to me is the longevity. I'm alot like Scotty in that I hang on to my cars for a long time, I do the scheduled maintenance and I pretty much expect the drive train to last about 25 years/300k miles. My 1996 strait 6 f150 with 250k miles still runs like a top. E.v. batterys just aren't gonna last that long. If I pay $50-60-70k for a car, I need it to last more than 10 years. And secondly, after the batterys do go bad, now we are left with a huge pile of chemical waste that can only be partially recycled.
Sounds like you should stick with a 19 century horse 🐴
Batteries are much better than they used to be and getting better all the time. The longevity concern should be a non concern for a modern one, though time will have to ultimately tell. They're actually highly recyclable ... 95% plus. The key will be actually doing it, which does need major improvement.
I'm driving a Leaf for 9 years now, got a battery upgrade for free to 30 kw/h battery and have maintenance costs every 2 years of maximum 200€. Meanwhile I almost got into debt because I drove a shitstain of a petrol powered car. Granted, I didn't know Scotty's channel back then but the EV has seriously helped me.
@@tanyodachi170 I'd be interested if it makes it to 15 years. When was the battery replaced with the upgraded one?
@@jeremygagnon9277 2016 when the 30 kwh batteries launched. In those 6 years the new battery is in I've lost 5% of battery power overall.
The second biggest problem with EV’s and road trips is there are usually no places at hotels to charge up. Huge limitation in terms of a trip car which doesn’t even factor in the limited range. Most promising car I’ve seen so far is the one that doesn’t need to be charged by plugging in. Now that makes sense!
A lot of car engineers are scared of not having enough business to survive that's why they are so hard on EV's the difference between gas and electric is minimal!
Have you inventoried hotels for their charging stations lately? You might be surprised. They are called destination chargers. Even grocery stores and movie theaters have them now. The lodge in a nearby state park has them. Even the National Air Force Museum in Dayton has them.
@@shan5445 the difference between the two is massive if you look beyond urban areas which, one assumes, are completely outside your realm of understanding. Places where it's hundreds of kms between charging stations and even villages. Try looking at a map of North America in detail some time.
@@donaldstinnett5630 Hmmmm. Did a lot of road tripping this year, approx 6000 miles both east and west and didn’t see charges at the hotels that we stayed at. Also note, these were not Motel 6 types. Wife considers that roughing it and worse than camping. LOL!
A related problem is that most publicly available charge stations are 220V AC charge stations that will take 3-6 hours to fully charge a vehicle. Range would be less of an issue if there were more 440 DC fast chargers being installed. I think most people would be willing to take a 1/2 hour break every few hours of driving. I wish the gas stations installing chargers would get the message.
I'm from montana and there or in most of the western half of the country, things are far apart. You rarely drive to visit someone less than an hour. It's one thing if you live in the suburbs and commute to work, but people in big cities don't understand that evs just aren't practical when a weekend visit to grandma's is a 100 to 500 mile round trip
Still waiting for a study on the powerful batteries and what the effect is on the body when sitting over them for hours a day.
I’ve been exposed to batteries my entire life. I’ll be 64 in a few days. So far I have zero health issues. I use a cellular phone at least 4 hours per day and have since 1999. I wonder what you were expecting a battery electrical field would do to a human? My study of my entire life is it does nothing. I do have some information that high voltage power lines can have negative effects on the brain in longer studies.
@@brentwoodbergmann8842 good to know, glad you are fine. Do you think these big modern batteries will be safe? Especially sitting right above them?
Scotty, you never mentioned the depreciation cost of EVs. I think most people would be reluctant to buy a ten year old EV. My gas powered Volvo is 25 years old and still going strong.
A ten year old used EV will cost you the price of the used car and the price of the replacement battery
@@theGermanrabbit Exactly
An EV that is ten years old is going to need a battery replacement soon…expect to pay 25K for a Tesla battery…need to figure that into the price if one is considering a second hand decade old EV
Got the Bolt EUV 4 months to help with our MASSIVE $500-600 petro bill (just me, every month). Apparently I'm comfortable with 247, lately i have been fine with 170 miles i get out of the 80% charge at the rather significant reduction of range form the cold Michigan weather. I live in Detroit and work in Lansing so my daily commute is 115 miles plus errands. The range anxiety is starting to go away but it is saving us hundreds every month! I was fulling 10 times a month at 50 bucks a tank. I charge every night now at 6 bucks. The cost to get to work each month went from $500-600 to $175-225. Also, we hav a cottage and it is 135 miles away. The hatchback is perfect for 6'3" me, my 6' GF(she from TX), our 5yo child, all our luggage and the 50 lbs dog in the back!
Scotty said: "have more than one vehicle", we have 3 (1 EV 2 petrol) and it works out great!
I think a small runaround EV would work well for grocery store type trips, or the odd occasion I need to go into the office - so 200km (125miles) would be enough. As Scotty says then, a petrol vehicle for longer trips.
The problem is the cost at the moment - for a 'cheap' EV in my country I could buy a far better petrol car. We also generate our electricity with coal-fired plants, so a petrol car is actually more efficient.
Unless we figure out a better way to generate power, EV's will likely never become mainstream - the energy demands are just too high.
I thought for sure that you would mention the overall cost of ev ownership from mining the ore to disposal of the battery. I would like to see a comparison to gas/ev.
Exactly. Any "cradle to grave" estimates I see do NOT take into account what happens to the vehicle when it gets to EOL. For the ICE, you basically let it sit for parts, then eventually strip out major components, and melt the iron and aluminum right down into something new. With the EV, it will have the exact same process EXCEPT for the battery.
Right now, there is no economic way to recycle even the bulk of the battery back into core components/elements; it seems the most cost effective thing is to shred the entire battery, chemically leech out the cobalt, and incinerate the rest. Doesn't seem so environmentally friendly to me.
@@bairdjc It's regulated in the EU. 50% of the battery must be recycled. But most companies are able to achieve recycling rates at over 90%. This includes battery recycling plants in India. If the US is unable to achieve this, then this is your own problem.
@@britishmalayasociety Hmm, nice if you to boast the EU sending their toxic trash to India ( a coyntry well known for its high tech recycling facilities), and in the same breath accuse the US of being helpless?
The EU is not recycling, they are pushing the problem on someone else.. And I live in the EU.. just saying.
@@bairdjc there isnt much on an EV that can be recycled. the body is mostly plastic. some interior parts might be swap-able but computers and other stuff will be tied to the vin number on the car and cant be used. theyre starting to pull that crap with ICE vehicles too
I drive about 500 miles 1 way every weekend from nyc to Ohio I rented a 2023 suburban and I was able to drive entire trip without stopping for gas which I was extremely surprised I had about 130-150 miles left until that 30 gallon tank was empty
That is the point.
650 miles and the daily drive is 13 times shorter.
The long drive is exactly what everyone wants.
The short daily drive is what everyone does.
Both are good.
So, the daily drive in the EV is extremely easy to top up daily.
Like the horse and cart days you keep the horse fed daily.
Now that huge reserve stored capacity can be traded on the grid in the future for money and profit. Grid stability will be a big payer as more renewable energy feeds into the national grid.
Tesla is doing it now in Melbourne Australia.
You tell you're EV computer what your daily deal is with the grid and make money.
Your home pv roof can feed excess electricity into the grid.
It is the long drive and daily drive EV capacity that will be the 'killer' cause of big changes.
The existing grid will be the perfect size.
Yea but for me personally any given day I’m on the road and usually when or if I stop for gas 5 mins or less is preferred
@@i80Avery the USA is similar to Australia.
20million vehicles in Australia
300million vehicles in the USA
1million new vehicles imported annually into Australia, so it will be a long time to change over.
Petroleum will probably drop in price first, and 2nd hand ICE vehicles will be cheaper too.
Plenty of time
Spending a little time charging an EV once on that trip sure would save you a lot of money.
Sorry for you dude living in that suburban
If everybody had an electric car the electrical grid could not handle it
Everyone would be broke too.
And not enough child-slaves to strip-mine the lithium either
People might have said the same thing about washers and dryers in houses too, but the grid handled it back then.
Not now, but EVs are our future.
Right, we adding to the front end of the grids with new heavy loads; while we reduce the backend power supply by shuttering dozens of power plants.
Looks like we’re being setup, folks!
That was superb, Mr. Scotty! Thank you so much! Your advice about having "one of each" makes perfect sense. Minimum EV range for me would be from Mount Shasta to Sacramento, or about 369 km.
Great video! You did an excellent job.
Owner of a 2018 Smart for two electric for city use ONLY range of 60 miles summer 40 winter. I charge it overnight on my regular home plug. Do not need more range on a daily basis. I have not gas up for the last 45000 Kim’s. The cost of ownership is less than a monthly public transport. Nevertheless still rely a on my Jeep for long distance
That's funny because the Teslas I've seen charging are still there charging after I've been in the store for an hour
That doesn't mean anything. The stores usually have L2 which are slow chargers. L3 chargers are usually near highways. In addition make sure that a driver is sitting in car waiting for it to charge and it's not a situation where the car finished charging and it's waiting for a driver to finish shopping. When we do a road trip with our kids the car usually finish charging before we are ready to continue (food and restroom break)
One thing to remember is that cold weather adversely effects EV batteries a lot, in some cases as much as 1/3 of range is lost. My personal prefernce is a Hybrid, you have gas powered range but for journeys under 30 miles battery only is fine. When the battery is depelted it automatically swaps to ICE power and starts to recharge the battery. At home the charing is completed overnight.
Here in Canada, at -25C you could reduce the range of 45%......
300-400 miles is plenty, great educational video by the way! Thanks again
I have a 2006 Ford five hundred limited I bought new and it has now around 162,000 miles. I drove more the first few years, than later.
Now I may only drive a couple hundred miles a week. If I had an EV I could probably charge it at home once a week to cover the driving I do now.
The technology now would cover my driving needs. It's just the price nowadays, and do I really need a new car. Most of my running is picking up Grandkids from school, or grocery, or small local errands. Good video. John
@@jamesvandamme7786 They are too small for me. I drive my Grandkids around often.
When we bought our first EV, range anxiety dominated, so we got the Chevy Volt. Run out of battery (53 miles), the gasoline engine kicks in. After 3 years, 95% of our driving was on the battery only. When we replaced our second car, we had no anxiety in buying the Chevy Bolt with 200 miles of range.
Our next car will be the Aptera, so aerodynamic it can squeeze 1000 miles out of a 100KWh battery (10 miles / KWh, compared to our Bolts 4 miles / KWh).
Ridiculous to pay $80K for only 350 miles of range. My 2006 Ford Taurus gets 450 mile range, which I need in the summer, and I only paid $6K for it ten years ago (used of course). EVs big step backwards for me.
This is why I chose a PHEV. Public charging is abysmal where I live so any long trip I can just gas and go but my daily driving is all done in EV mode. I think the main problem is these setups are too expensive so it makes more financial sense to just buy a small efficient gas car since the PHEV will rarely ever do enough EV only miles to pay for the difference.
Chevy may have forgotten how to build gas cars, but they have the Bolt with range from 233 to 259 miles. You can charge it when you get home 🏡 Great for short rides, and fantastic if you’re retired.
Is that the Volt? Or a new line called Bolt? Volt never a good idea, high percentage of them catch fire 🔥 😫
Rob. Chevrolet replaced all BOLT batteries in a recall (no cost to consumers). A VERY small number caught fire. I have a 2018 with 72,000 miles. I commute 130 miles daily and charge at work or home. It’s a great car. There are lots of opinions but only one set of FACTS.
Wow I only have to spend $120,000 to get enough range to visit my relatives during holidays, what a bargain.
-Hey mate, that is some nice EV, it can even pull a full camper trailer.
- No, that is not a camper. It is an additional battery...
Apparently $169,000 is the jaw-dropping level for Scotty. Mine was the $80,000 base price.
The most Ive ever spent on a car was 16,000 and its still going strong after 10 years owning it.
Yep real "savings" blowing 170,000 grand on a car.
A loaded 6 cylinder gas Ford F150 can be over 100k, believe it!
@@michaelsacco1463 also bananas! 🍌
Remember the original GM electric vehicles back in the 90s / early 2000s? The first edition of the EV1 had a roughly 80 mile range while the 2nd edition had a roughly 150 mile range if I recall correctly. Not a huge range but for many people and depending on how quickly they charged, could have met the daily driving needs (especially the 2nd edition). Again, for a longer trip one would either need a 2nd gasoline (or gas-electric hybrid) or simply rent (for super long road trips) a gas car.
Most that leased the EV1 didn’t want to give them back. Too bad Gm was so blind they could have used Saturn as their EV brand and been decades ahead of any other manufacturer.
Car rentals for long road trips are $$$.. budget rentals require same store drop off.. if you’re visiting family for a few weeks during the holidays every year; you probably would’ve saved money NOT buying an EV
For a little extra payment a month a dealer could fold in a gas power rental car when you need to go see Grandma.
I don't have to worry about having a gas powered car to sub for a useless EV because my gas powered car can hold it's own when I need to just hop in it and go at any time I want.
@@barrycraig1549Don't have to when I already have a gas powered car that is already paid for.
I like shifting gears and listening to the music coming out of the exhaust.
We are retired empty nesters, we bought a 2012 leaf for $5,000. It had a new battery already installed. It still has a range of 55 miles, more if we just putt around town doing shopping or what have you. We charge at home. We have solar panels. Absolutely love our glorified golf cart! Our other car, a Lexus rx330 for when we go longer distance or have to haul bigger stuff.
I recently waited about 20 minutes to get gas at "club" price. After saving About $6 I felt like a chump for waiting so long to fill up instead of getting down the road.
I can't imagine waiting like this each time I really need to go!
We fuel ICE cars synchronously: waiting while it happens. We charge EVs asynchronously: start it and walk away. No one complains about the time they spend in the kitchen waiting for the dishwasher to run. Instead, they start the dishwasher then go about their business. EV charging is the same.
@@martyscholes119 Then when everyone drives EV's they will take up the spots while they go shopping and you won't be able to charge your EV.
@@Argedis Uh, as noted above, most people would be charging at home, not at the store. This is where it's super beneficial: around town errands or commuting. Never really NEED to charge anywhere but home. Yeah, for road trips it'd be an issue if everyone's doing it, but by that time the infrastructure will be in place for widespread charging. It is the future, it just takes time.
@@martyscholes119 when your business is actually GETTING SOMEWHERE, as it is for most ppl travelling, good luck going about it stuck in a coffee shop waiting for the EV to charge.
@@alan4sure I have never been stuck in a coffee shop while waiting for a charge to complete.
Good information and not the quirky political opinions that pop up pictures. Scotty is an excellent mechanic and I have saved thousands in personal mechanic work and understanding the diagnosis that is revealed in these excellent videos.
Almost everyone forgets the extra battery usage from lights, heaters, air conditioning, radios, internet devices, electric power steering, electric brake boosters, and the list goes on and on. These all reduce battery life. Thus a 300 mile is reduced to about 150 miles. Then it takes 12 hours or more to fully charge the batteries.
Interesting video ! The Mazda Mx30 seems to be a smart EV for everyday use near by home with low range compare to others. Others possibility are hybrid cars too
I'm surprised the car industry is still standing despite so many shakes
Shakes? What shakes? ICE are on solid ground and dependable. No children in 3rd world countries are needed to build them too. Unlike EV batteries.
Cant help but think they are nailing their own coffin with electric cars that nobody wants or can afford
the only industry that makes more money is the oil industry
Okay I guess nobody got the joke. I was being sarcastic
Scotty! I don’t mind us switching things up and doing new researches and all that. What we are doing now is creating a problem and then be tirelessly hunting solutions.
We’ve owned a Model 3 for 5 years , it has a range of 325 miles. It now has 90,00 miles has been on 5 cross country trips. We have never had range anxiety and since we charge off our solar roof we leave home every day with a full tank. On cross country trips Superchargers are everywhere and costs about $8 to fill up. We generally travel 200 miles before stopping for restroom breaks and getting something to eat. At first it took 45-60 minutes to charge which was great because it gave us a chance to eat and look around. Now charge times are so fast we barely have any time.The Model 3 has regen which means it slows by lifting the accelerator, as a result you rarely use the brakes, I doubt I’ve used 10% of pad life in the five years. After 5 years the car looks and drives as new and has only two sets of new tires as maintenance. Our car is number 10,400, an early model but no issues, in 55 years of driving, I’ve never had a better car.
The range of an E V use to also be affected by the type of driving and driver, i.e., as in lead food and or high grades. Is that still a consideration and if so , how much?
Keep in mind that the battery if an EV will last longer if you don't charge it completely or drain it often. 2 months in now on a new Model Y and I've had an exceptional time with it. Driving it is too fun and I have no anxiety keeping it within 20%-85% on a total 340 mile range. And my old beater Camry is a great backup if range ever becomes a problem.
I agree, 1 EV and 1 Gas vehicle is the way.
Thank God for candles I am watching this video and we have a complete power outage !!!!!
What happens to the range in winter when you have to keep the heater on?
Very important to share!!!
Very good video Scotty! Alex just did the same breakdown on his channel yesterday talking about the Bolt being the best deal in North America. I need 1 ev (Bolt) and a Prius or Corolla Cross Hybrid. Stay well old man.
I'll stick with my 97 powerstroke diesel. I have enough fuel for 800 miles, which is enough for 2 weeks going to work
In order to extend the range of my ‘02 Superduty diesel Ford pickup truck I carry along two 20V DeWalt rechargeable batteries.
Works terrific!
A recent newstory EV in accident on fire. Firemen had very difficult time putting it out. Batteries kept relighting. Very dangerous.
350 in real world driving. Most EV cannot achieve their EPA rating especially on highway or in cold/hot climate. Also, most EV suggested you to use only between 20-80% of battery unless its needed. So you really only have 60% of usable battery range.
Our ID.4 AWD has an EPA rating of 250 miles. But charging to 80% you only get about 200 miles. For my commute to work, it's sufficient to last a week without charging if I do not have any other plan (and I do not have level 2 charger at home or at work BTW).
However, if you took an detour to buy stuff or visit someone, you'll ended needing to charge it during the week. For long trip it's actually okay. All you need is planning ahead and stick to your plan. And plan extra hours of trip for charging.
Agreed. Like if we had an EV Nascar race. The race would last a week, with all the EV charging times.
Check out FIA's Formula E. The driver swaps cars for pit stops. Comical.
Where can I put an dynamo to keep the battery charged ? I just read a 1964 Land rover had a Dynamo to keep its battery charged. How big would it have to be, even to give enough charge from the battery to get you out of trouble?
My Chevy Volt had both gas and electric power. Four hundred mile range. Over night charging in my garage, eliminated gas stations except on trips. Use air travel and rental cars for most trips. In eleven years this car saved me almost twenty thousand dollars. The main problem was that the car was good for another hundred thousand miles but the Chevy dealer wanted twenty thousand to replace the battery. Five thousand would have been totally worth it. Great driving experience while it lasted!
Can you get a replacement from the junk yard? Do they have third party vendors that does these repair? I used to have a 2014 and 2017 Chevy Volt, but, never had to replace the battery. I now have Tesla Model S. But, I'm curious if you have looked into that.
I'll pass on an EV . Imagine the strain this will put on the grid
tezzla an over hyped, n way overpriced rolling microwave oven coffin.
Well, we'll just turn off everyone's heat in their homes, then we have half the power we need. Then we can develop the matrix and enslave half the people so they can produce enough energy for the other half. It will work if everyone would just quit fighting it. Then the world will be perfect and we can live in a perfect society where there's world peace and world hunger is gone. Everything will be roses and rainbows!
Me too. I cannot wait to see all the EV owners stranded on the side of the road with a dead battery. It's gonna be epic! Lol.
Just seen a used Tesla Y for sale, 76k.
Imagine the strain on moving crude around the world that finally comes out of the tailpipe as pollution and micro particulates that cause cancer ♋️
I'm driving a 1957 Chevy Bel Air and a 1967 Camaro. Infinitely repairable and simple. Paid for. Their value goes up every year.
Most people don’t understand what you are talking about because they don’t have any tools in their garage. It’s full of battery powered lawn equipment and dumb stuff that makes them feel good about their life. Nothing better than what you have in your garage. 😆
@@yetimonster2586 Yep, I buy tools with what I save from buying EVs.
have you done a video on the Solo car . it's a single seat electric car for commuting to work
As always dead on and right to the point. Thank you.
If you lived in the last century…..
@@phileasler5401 Yeah, I mean of course a guy who's life has been working on ICE cars is going to drag his feet kicking and screaming into the future technologies. Can't blame him really.
If you want to pretend you're "saving the planet" just get a hybrid or plug in hybrid and get 50-80 mpg.
How much driving range do you need when the power grid goes out?
My wife has a 2020 Subaru Legacy with about 12k miles on it. I have a 2013 Subaru Outback with about 105k miles on the car. When it becomes time to replace the Outback I'd be happy with a reasonable priced EV (30-40k) getting aa little as 200 miles or so per charge. FYI... both my wife and I are retired; she is 73 and I'm 78 years old.
Our Mach-E after incentives and taxes came to 44K. Car is rated at 230 miles but we constantly get between 220-270 miles of range. An EV is not for everyone but for us it works just fine and better option than the 2021 RDX we almost bought. And all the places we go to have free charging so it’s nice to not pay for fuel.
So your saying that your Mach e is better than the RDX you almost bought. But since you almost bought the RDX how can you make a fair comparison of the two. I almost understand.
@@yetimonster2586 we drove the RDX multiple times and borrowed one for a day. I’m not saying it’s a better car but it is a better car for us. They both do the same thing more or less and have the same amenities we need. It’s just with the incentives we saved about $1600 off the bay. Also we have saved a lot on the maintenance side and we got a lot of free charging so far. My wife only drives about 8 miles a day for work so for us the EV is better. Also helps that we have a garage and can charge at home. If we lived in an apartment for sure we would have got the Acura.
My current commute is just under 40 miles per day in my project car Gen2 Lexus IS350. My primary car is a 2022 Mazda3 used daily by my my medically retired (due to Cancer) Girlfriend and on weekends. I'd consider a 300 miles EV just to travel to work and back. Jeff Grant Mooresville NC
Scotty I think that you missed the picture here. EV manufactures give you a range based on battery capacity but they also recommend that you keep the battery between 20% and 80% of its full capacity to prevent shortened battery life. In cold weather the battery loses another 20% of its rated capacity. And then if you run the heater, headlights and stereo you might be lucky to make it out of your neighborhood….. Data from AAA found that once the heater is turned on, EV range can drop by as much as 41%.May 13, 2022.
What's the range with the air conditioner and headlights on?
I drive from my parents home to my house in Tennessee 12 hours of driving. I do this often.
For now, while you're allowed. In the future you'll "Own nothing and be happy" and the first thing to go will be your vehicle. The only thing left will be an EV that is actually a "subscription" and it's tracked, monitored and comes with a kill switch.
So currently and EV is not for you. But for most people based on average daily driving an EV would be just fine. And if you have two cars, a gas powered on and an EV you can take the gas car for extended trips like that and use your EV for most daily driving.
There's not enough silver to produce all these EVs, so you don't even know what you're talking about.
@@kevinmaskell1200
Apparently neither do you.
Have you seen new Semi from Tesla?
Love your show. Get à lot out of it. You should review the Aptera solar electric vehicle.
Then there’s that whole burning down your house issue…
350 miles in an ev gives range anxiety. but most gas cars don't get much better. my truck had about 420 miles. my current car gets something around 400 as well. the difference is availability of charging stations and speed of charging. because of charge time people want more range. if you get less range but faster and widely available refills than it isnt as big of a deal.
ev very inefficient , n spends most of the time plugged into charger
during winter.
Your truck doesn't lose massive range in the cold, and it doesn't take a lot of range to warm you up.
@@Austin1990 true points. I do not like EVs myself. I do not ever plan on buying one. That said I also don't like trucks.
The entire car indutry has been shocked for 300 times this year, according to Scotty Kilmer.
I'm shocked!!!
I paid off my 1991 Jeep many years ago. It costs more in fuel than an EV, but I could drive it for 20-years before I would spend the cost of an EV & the electricity to power it.
Good info to know
I have no problem with electric cars, it's the battery that I have a problem with, the only way I'll have an electric car is either fuel cell or they finally make a battery that LASTS FOR 20+YEARS without degrading and rechargeable in the same amount of time it takes to fill my petrol tank, also the power grid WILL NOT HANDLE THE DEMAND if everyone has an electric car, you take away the coal plants don't allow any new nuclear power plants, solar and wind suck, WHERE'S THE POWER GOING TO COME FROM!!
Hmmmm Rainbows and Unicorns?
The electricity will come from wind and solar. Renewables in US now produce more power than nuclear and coal, second only to natural gas, but that gap is quickly closing.
I think in a two car household, one EV for local driving and one non pure EV (like hybrid or phev) as a secondary car or long trips. In fact I think if you are able to charge at home, your EV will probably never visit a local charger in its lifetime.
It is true, if you have a garage to put a charger in, or your own driveway, having an EV becomes very easy.
A small gas car for short trips, and a V8 for fun.
@@tonymercer265 that’s one thing I’m going to miss from top tier cars going forward in the future. Sadly it’s extremely tough to beat the power of electricity.
@@jalene150 Don't comply, it's all about control.
EV'S, an Impractical solution to an Imaginary problem.
@@tonymercer265 I’m totally okay with EVs AFTER they figure out the whole charging situation. If they can quick charge a car from
I have a plug In hybrid that does about 20 miles full electric. I also have a decade+ old solar array and a level 2 charger. Most daily outings are under 20 miles. Most time between outings can be multiple hours. My level 2 charger fully charges the car in 1.5 hours. I can go a few weeks before filling up the gas tank which is only 11 gallons. Even at the height of gas prices, my largest gas bill was around $50. I rarely do trips over 100 miles. I also own a 1965 corvette and do most all the engine work. That being said, I will never buy another internal combustion engine again for a commuter vehicle. Being able to charge at home, backed by solar is the ultimate freedom. I now have an electric riding mower and all my yard tools are electric. No more oil changes, belts, fuel mixing, carb issues, electrical issues, smoke, overheating, noise, running out to get gas etc.. Just sharpening blades. That’s it.
Great video Scotty!
The biggest problem I have with EVs is that they have a limited use profile. Fine for day to day commutes and errands. But essentially useless for long-distance travel. "Useless" being defined as requiring significantly more travel time and having to plan, plan, plan to get there and back. Hassle! And especially not worth it given the luxury car pricepoints. As Scotty says: not ready yet.
I know, when I go driving across the United States every day it’s a bummer
@@phileasler5401 as Scotty also points out, most EV peeps have at least two vehicles. I don't drive 100s of miles every day, but when I do, I do NOT want to take one minute longer than I have to. The only limiting factor should be my tiredness level and my bladder, NOT my stupid car.
It all depends on your circumstances. I have an EV and I put all the miles that I can on it. It saves me a butt load of money and time at gas stations. I also have an F-150. I use it occasionally to pull my boat, haul stuff, and on long trips. These vehicles work great for me. If you have one car and live in an apartment, sure it is probably not time for you to get an EV. Although I know of people that use their EV as their only vehicle. When they go on their two or three long trips a year they rent a ICE vehicle. They save a lot of money doing that and only have to maintain and insure one car.
Friday: Electric car analysis with Scotty night! yes!😀
One thing that you should consider is that when you take a trip, no one considers road construction and accidents which an electric vehicle would use power for heat and a/c to keep the driver and passengers comfortable and safe. Think about it.
great video!
350~500 miles is already matching & surpassing many gas powered car's range, anything more is just extra.
My current gas powered volvo for example has a 25 mpg rating with 18 gal capacity, giving it only 450 miles of range.
How long does it take to fill your tank with gas?
@@rwefree9469 5~15 minutes depending on how busy the gas station is, and how quick I'm being.
And the quickest EV's charge in 15~20 minutes as well, so its getting there.
The biggest factor is not how far an electric car can travel per charge, it's how long it takes to recharge and where the next recharging station is. Currently charging stations are not ubiquitous enough to make an electric car practical. I had some interest in an electric car:
1. They are hard to find from a new car purchase perspective.
2. The nearest charging station to me is about 1.5 miles away and is outdoors. I can't sit in a car waiting for it to charge in the middle of a MI winter or conversely on a hot summer day. I live in an apartment and there is not an option to recharge onsite. And as a further note, electric cars are fairly expensive. As an avid motorcyclist, the same negatives apply for electric motorcycles.
If you don't have the option to charge it on-site, buying an EV is a mistake. The whole point of an EV is to charge it overnight and use a charging station only for road trips. The charging station is NOT a gas station
@@rav04o2 That was my conclusion as well. I can't see the apartment complex financing charging stations ever and there is no way or me to be able to install one, so as much as an electric car would be suited to my uses, they remain impractical for me, and for probably a lot of other apartment dwellers, which does create problems for the electric car market/industry.
Of course mileage would depend on the weather....I remember before I retired I drove 92 miles a day to commute to and back from work, about an hour and 20 minutes each way....Living in the northeast it gets cold in the winter and we know cold has a negative effect on batteries....I lived in Chicago a few years and learned all about jumping cars in zero degrees. During a snow storm that hour and 20 minutes could take 3 or 4 hours to get home due to bumper to bumper traffic, I'm sure running the heater drains the battery even quicker....I wouldn't want to run out of charge in a snowstorm....You know for the price of these EVs I could buy a fully restored 60s Mustang and have a car I truly loved and can open up the hood, know what I'm looking at and fix it myself and would no longer be required to get an inspection.
Thanks Scotty great video. Cant wait for the long term ownership video, depreciation would be a lot higher? And can a repair person get electrocuted? More safety training! Anyways keep pumping out the videos. Regards
A "repair person" can get electrocuted on an ICE car too. As battery technology improves, costs will continue to come down.
This past Thanksgiving, I drove with my family a total of 400miles to Massachusetts and back to NJ in my all electric Polestar and I spent a whopping total of$6.47 in charging costs. The charging infrastructure does need to improve and it will. But EVs are simply better and cheaper in the long run.
Excellent overview! Infrastructure definitely needs to be accelerated.
@J Mork He's not the only one making them. EVs are our future.
You need to live closer to work 1 hour each way for me for 40 years was to much. 30 minutes each way would be enough.
@@dcb95sol Not in my future. I have what I need that works great and is dependable.
There's a Lucid Air driving around my neighborhood. I've seen it on the road a half dozen times already.
LOL! Well, Scotty ... you just did more to sell EVs than anyone else I've heard. Great report! My wife and I bought a Nissan Leaf in January ... a 2022 with 150 mile range.
It is a perfect city commuter car.
We use 2012 gas RAV4 for our long distance adventures.
Gasoline cars weren't ready when they 1st came out either! Light bulbs weren't ready at 1st either. PCs were huge and expensive at 1st too. I can go on and on.
Drove 1400 km one way, 12.5 hrs 2 times a week for 4 years to work.
Had 4 days off in 2 weeks, I would have charged enough to make it halfway home and back to work in 4 days with e.v.
Any thoughts on hybrids?
What happens when you roll up to the only charger in 100 miles and all the cables are gone because they've been stolen by copper thieves?