Best Grind Setting for Espresso - Dialing In
Vložit
- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- What's the best grind setting for espresso? It's the most important variable in making excellent espresso and often misunderstood by beginners. Learn how to dial in grind size for espresso in this video for beginners. Select the right coffee, learn time espresso extractions... about tools including scales, tampers, distributors and levelers. Find out how much coffee to use, get tips and techniques for easy espresso success. Learn how to weigh and measure coffee and espresso and how to kinda get by without a scale.
Related Videos:
Flow Control
2 Easy Flow Control Profiles: • Better Espresso Using ...
How To: Improve Espresso Using Flow Control + Bottomless Triple Shots: • How To: Improve Espres...
Advanced Espresso Flavor
How to Make Better Coffee and Espresso: Basic Flavor Concepts: • How to Make Better Cof...
How to Fix Espresso Extractions: Timing, Taste & More: • How to Fix Espresso Ex...
Dissecting Espresso Extractions: TDS, EY & More: • Dissecting Espresso Ex...
Learn more & shop products in this video:
Crema Wave Whole Bean Coffee: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Lavazza Super Crema Whole Bean Coffee: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Maromas Orphea Whole Bean Coffee: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
ECM Mechanika Max Espresso Machine: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Ceado E6P Grinder: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Acaia Lunar Scale: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Shot Pitcher: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Tampers, Distributors & Levelers: www.wholelattelove.com/collec...
Chapters:
Introduction 00:00
Coffee Selection & Tools 01:42
Starting Grind Size 03:27
How Much Coffee? 04:23
Tamping & Leveling 05:51
Shot Timing 07:20
Dial In 10:58
Tips for Success 11:53
Talk to our experts via chat or email: www.wholelattelove.com/contac...
Whole Latte Love on Social Media
---------------------------------------------------------
► Follow Whole Latte Love on Instagram: / wholelattelove
► Follow Whole Latte Love on Twitter: / wholelattelove
► Like Whole Latte Love on Facebook: / wholelatteloveonline
#wholelattelove #espresso #coffeegrinders - Jak na to + styl
Another excellent vid. Not only is the delivery and presentation top notch, the video quality and editing is fantastic!
Hi PSW, Thanks for the kind words!
Marc
this guys voice should be on national tv or something
I could honestly listen for hours. Its the perfect tone.
One of the best videos I've ever seen for my skill level. Thank you
Hey d, thanks a whole latte for the comment!
Marc
Great video for reminders on the basics too! Always good to review and reflect on current workflow to make sure you're not lacking anywhere.
Absolutely! Thanks for the commet!
Marc
Thank you for the video. It is the clearest explanation and demo on how to dial in.
Hey JL, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Thanks, Phil!
Brilliant video. Thank you very much for the helpful tips.
Hi TYV, You are most welcome!
Marc
WLL is the GOAT. Thank you for years of education and insights!
Best video quality on CZcams. Congratulations to the WLL team!
Hey c, Thanks!
Marc
Mark, you always present meaningful and helpful videos. Thank you.
Hey William, you are welcome - glad you like them!
Marc
Excellent video to the new espresso beginner like me. Thanks!
Hi Brian, well thanks for the comment - happy to help!
Marc
Thank you! I'm all ears!
You're so welcome!
Marc
Thank you
thanks for the information
You bet!
Marc
Great video - hats off to this dude!
Hey seafox, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
You are great man!
Hey CL, Happy to help!
Marc
Great, great video
Glad you enjoyed it - thanks for the comment!
Marc
very very very interesting and useful video for beginners
Glad you liked it!
Marc
Great video. One other variable that I have not seen mentioned much, alongside grind size, is brew boiler temperature. I had been getting a lot of bitter espresso no matter how I adjusted the grind. Then it was suggested by a barista (for the coffee I was using) to decrease my brew temperature from 202-203 range down to 198. Now the tasting notes of the coffee are very present. I had been cooking them out with the higher temperature.
Hi AA! Brew temp makes a difference for sure! Any chance your favorite coffee is in the dark range? Typically those do best at cooler temperatures in the 195-200 range.
Marc
Awesome!
Glad you think so!
thanks for NOT playing an annoying music loop in the background. very informative with your professional amazing voice :D
Great knowledge sir🎉 huge respect 🙏🏻
Hey SG, So nice of you - thanks for the comment!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage its my pleasure 🙏🏻 ☺️
I had a Breville/Sage grinder and just purchased a Mahlkonig X54 to accompany my new Bezzera Aria. Can't believe how finer the grind I can now achieve and how that translates to fantastic coffee extraction. I was having real problems getting good results as just couldn't get the coffee fine enough, now I can really hone down the finer elements for that perfect coffee.
Hi Elfin4, Thanks so much for sharing your experience! As I mentioned in the video with grinders you get what you pay for!
Marc
I also had a Breville grinder and upgraded to a Baratza sette. I can't believe the difference! Completely new coffee experience with the same beans.
Thank You Marc. I am starting to see less and less light as I look up. 🤔
Great videos as always. Problem I seem to always have these days are shots coming out too slow then rapidly coming out towards the middle/end. If I try and dial in courser the shot just comes out even faster. Even puck screens don't help.
On my Breville Touch Pro with a 54mm basket I’m set at a grind of 12 at 19 seconds on a bottomless filter with a porta screen and get a perfect double shot pull.
Thanks mark from whole latte love. I know you did a video on single shots but would be nice if you expanded a bit more on it.
Hey j, you are welcome. I always suggest beginners start with doubles as singles are trickier. But process, timing, etc. is exactly the same. Need same brew water contact time with the coffee as for doubles.
Marc
I think all grinders should come with a calibration that indicates what the burr separation is, in microns (0.001mm), for the graduations on their grind dials. It would then be a good starting point for transferring settings from one grinder to another.
Hi Ross, Thanks for the comment. Great idea!
Marc
Hi there. I’m using rocket appartamento tca coffee machine and varia vs3 grinder and when I use 18g dose I get out 36g in about 25-30s but I only get around 30-40ml of coffee. Should’t I get 60ml for double shot espresso?
4:21 working with a brand new Gaggia classic pro.
Opus grinder.
On my 10th try and no matter what beans I use, the espresso is pretty much undrinkable.
Very bitter and bad taste.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Another great video Mark, thank you. I have a question about timing my shot, my machine has quite a long pre-infusion, when do I start timing?
Hi SJ, You are welcome! When you get into long pre-infusions, flow profiling, etc. you're kinda beyond using timing. Still relevant for sure but it's time to let flavor be your guide. When I'm doing higher level extractions I tend toward using 1st drip to start timing. It's really just a reference point that only means something to you and your variables. For instance I often use very long low flow pre-infusions on fresh from roast specialty grade coffees. I may not have 1st drip until 15 seconds after pump on. No way my extraction will complete by 25 seconds after pump on. I'm often over 40 seconds total from pump on.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much Marc, sorry for the spelling error, helped a lot as usual.
You’re welcome! No worries on the spelling. C or K it sounds the same!
As to my experience, grinders do have inertion far beyond a couple of seconds grinding after having changed the grind size. My Silenzio stabilizes on a new grind size normally after having processed 3 times 18g.
Hi e, 36g - very excessive! Not my experience. When adjusting grind size the distance between the burrs changes immediately. Should only have to push out what's partially ground between burrs and any ground coffee remaining in channel after burrs to delivery spout. In a Silenzio maybe a few grams max.
Marc
Single dosing is the best way :)
Hey man, first of all, thank you for sharing your experience with us. im ready to pull the trigger for a eureka mignon specialita or barazza sette to pair with my Gaggia classic and improve my extractions. Currently i use a cheap gaggia md15 and i think its killing the taste of every coffee in the market.
Hi t, I used the Gaggia MDF grinder years ago but have not used the MD15. Did take a look and it has very limited grind size precision so a grinder upgrade should make a huge difference! At a glance the MD15 might be okay for lower quality extractions using pressurized filter baskets and that's about it. The Sette is a very good appliance grade grinder. It is loud, plasticky and uses a conical burr. For espresso you def want one of the Sette 270 models for precise control of grind size. The Mignon Specialita is a machine grade product and uses 55mm flat burrs which are generally preferred for espresso over conical. It will not grind as fast as the Sette but it's far quieter!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Mark thank you so much you for the info, I really appreciate it and I will definitely take it into consideration especially since these two are priced the same here.
Hi Mark, great videos. I been using the Breville Barista Express and I just got the Mechanika and for the grinder the Eureka Mignon Specialita. Im currently using Lavazza Super Crema. I got from you guys Maromas Orphea Whole. What grinde setting can you recomend me for those beans?
Hi Carlos! Nice setup and thanks for the comment and question. As I mentioned in the video, unfortunately I can't tell you what grind size to use. Your variables like coffee dose weight, filter basket used, coffee age, brew temp, etc are likely a little different than mine would be. Follow the steps in this video to dial in to a grind size that works for your variables. From there keep in mind grind size is not set and forget. If you change coffee type or other variables it will need slight adjustments to produce the best possible espresso.
Marc
I subscribed
Hey nd, thanks and welcome to the channel!
Marc
I haven't a clue how much coffee I use in an Aeropress, I use two scoops of a 1/8 cup 30ml scoop and just fill it up with water at the top. I don't know if that is a single shot or a double shot but what is the difference? You mentioned and suggested to use a double shot filter basket and that the traditional is 14 grams but today is 16-20 grams and went for 18 grams. Should I just get a scale and use that with the aero press? I am moving this month and I am looking to get my first espresso machine but I get confused with all the technical stuff and the lingo 😵💫 it makes my head spin.
Thanks! Very helpful for a beginner like me. One question: I have both double wall and single wall filter baskets. I typically use the double wall because the single wall always tastes too strong. I have to grind so fine to prevent it from brewing too fast. Should I only use single wall or is double wall just as good which slows down the brew time even at a less fine grind size to get the taste right? Hope that question makes sense...
Hi Michael, you are welcome - happy to help and thanks for the question. Sounds like you're using a Breville (aka Sage)? They refer to the standard non-pressurized filter baskets as single wall and pressurized baskets as dual wall. Dual wall pressurized baskets are most typically used with pre-ground coffee - coffee you did not grind yourself. They're a bit of a cheat using the basket to create the restriction needed for the espresso brewing process rather than the grind size of the coffee. The espresso they produce is almost always of lower quality than that produced by a non-pressurized single wall filter basket loaded with properly dialed in freshly ground coffee. If you have a grinder and are willing to take the time to dial in your grind size I would definitely use the non-pressurized single wall filter basket.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Why am I hearing beganers? Cool video though.
...because the rest of us are too. 😊 Honestly... Mark could be saying ‘cah-fey’ or ‘esprEEsso’ and I’d absolutely forgive it. 🙃
I’ve learned so much from your videos over the years Mark, thank you.
Lol - it's a local accent thing that pops through every once in awhile 😜
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, Marc, this is NOTHING in comparison to these guys in Northern Ireland…
I saw a video the other day, and they were having a strong “e” instead of “i” damage that would even have such a strong impact that you almost did not know what they were talking about ;-)
@@anotherguycalledsmith Lol! So long as someone is understood - that's what matters.
Marc
Hi Mark - I just bought the Gaggia Magenta Prestige and the pucks are soupy on the finest grind setting. Shot tastes very bad too. I’m using the Crema Wave beans
Hey TT, finest grind setting, max strength setting, shot size 1.5oz or less. Give the machine about 4-6 shots to adjust to your dose and coffee. It reads grind resistance and adjusts. Shots will get better.
Marc
Hi very informative one question I’m timing my extraction when can I tell when it is done? Am I looking for clearish water at the portafilter? Thanks
Hi V, thanks for the comment and question. In basic timing you're looking to finish at a 1:2 ratio by weight in 25-30 seconds. So double the weight of coffee used in that 25-30 seconds.
5:26 essentially those without a scale have a scale issue… get it? Skill issue but scale?… I’ll show myself out now.
Could you please recommend a scale or two that isn’t a wallet-buster like the $250 Acaia in the video? Thanks!
Hi Stephen, Most any scale that can measure to 1/10 gram will do. If you want to grind into and weigh portafilter and coffee dose together be sure the scale has the capacity to tare the weight of your portafilter. A lot of cheaper scales can't handle that. This Brewista scale can: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/scales/products/brewista-smart-scale-ii
Marc
Mark, could you please narrate every film?
Lol, narrating nature docs is my second career choice!
Marc
Great video! I dialed in and i am getting around 18 -23 seconds for my pull. I weigh around 18 grams and aim for dubble the output; 36-38 grams. Only problem i run into is pressure, im not getting enough pressure from my machine, i have the d’longhi la specialista prestigio and using medium roast 100% arabica beans from my local barista shop. Only way i get my pressure up is by using more beans so the basket is fuller. Any suggestions?
Hi k, Thanks for the comment. Sounds like your grind needs to be a hair finer. 18-23 is on the short side of timing. A finer grind will increase the pressure and shot timing.
Marc
i've been using a breville Infuser with a baratza virtuoso for a few years without a good scale. 6 months ago, I brought a better scale with a mignon grinder. ah better. i am trying to focus more on ratio of < 4. when I do, way over extracted. I keep lowering the dose amount and still over extracted. I feel like missing something very basic. any thoughts? btw, love all of the videos..
Hi Eric, Thanks for the comment! I think I understand? You were doing brew ratios of greater than 1:4? That's really high for espresso! If so, not surprised you are way over extracted. Too much water going through your coffee. I'd pull way back to a 1:2 ratio. As I recall the infuser uses a smaller capacity filter basket. So if using say 15g ground coffee go for a finished weight in cup of 30g and adjust your grind so you reach that weight in ~25 seconds. Also, use the non-pressurized (single wall) double shot basket if you are not already.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Does the 20-30 second target apply regardless of your brew ratio (ie. whether your using a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio)?
Hi MM, yes basic timing stays the same but you can and should adjust to suit your taste preferences.
❤
Hi JO, Thanks a whole latte for the ❤️
Marc
I have a breville touch and locally roasted beans. What do I do if I am getting 2oz in that 20-30 second range but I am getting in a shot in the upper 40's to lower 50's grams in that time for ~17 grams of espresso.
Hi d, thanks for the question. That's a 1: 2.3-2.9 brew ratio which is perfectly acceptable if you like the flavor. The "normal" espresso brew ratio is 1:2 but some people like it higher and some coffees might taste better there. As you're weighing your output I'd pay no attention to liquid volume output. If you want to bring the ratio down with the same shot timing grind a hair finer or start with a little more ground coffee.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi! I am using flow control, When using flow control and lighter roast, should I fully open the flow control before measuring?
Hi j, Thanks for the question. Would help to know what make/model machine you are using. On most Profitec and ECM machines with flow control opening the FC all the way will produce a higher than stock flow rate which is rarely used. It gets really high, like 3x normal stock flow on those machines with rotary pumps. When dialing in your grind size it's best to use the machine's stock flow rate. On all Profitec and ECM machines you get the stock flow rate by opening the valve 1.25 turns from the fully closed, no flow position. Once you've dialed in your coffee at that flow rate you can experiment with other flow rates and see how they change the flavor. A common profile for lighter roast specialty coffees (especially if within a couple weeks of roasting) is to start with a very low flow rate initially at about a quarter turn open. Once you see 1st drip at about 10-15 seconds from pump on open the FC to 3/4 turn open for a medium flow rate. The low initial flow rate allows the fresh from roast coffee to off-gas locked up CO2 and reduces bright/acidic flavors. When using flow profiles with low initial flow rates you may need to adjust grind a little bit finer than what you dialed into initially. When using this low flow start know that it's not unusual for your extraction timed from pump on to be much longer than the standard 20-30 seconds. 45 seconds total timing is not unreasonable.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Does your 20-30 second timeline include or exclude pre-infusion? I have a breville oracle touch which has a non changeable pre-infusion time of about 10 seconds.
Hi NL, Thanks for the question. Are you certain you cannot turn off or adjust the pre-infusion time on the Oracle? It's been 5+ years since I've used the Oracle but I'm fairly certain PI can be turned off or time adjusted. When I do higher level extractions I tend to reference 1st drip as a starting point for timing. But, that varies a bit. Say I'm running a long low flow pre-infusion on a very fresh from roast specialty coffee. I might not have 1st drip until 15 seconds after pump on. On top of that, I've likely already dialed in the coffee using a normal extraction and in the case of a long low flow start I've probably made the grind a little finer than what's used for a normal extraction. Running shots like that I'm well beyond thinking about time - total time from pump on often exceeds 40 seconds.
For a basic dial-in in your situation I'd move your target time to the higher end of a 25-35 second range. But of course taste the espresso and adjust as needed!
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage . Unlike the Oracle, the Oracle Touch does not allow adjustments to pre-infusion. . I will stick with 35 or so seconds including the 10 second pre-infusion per your suggestion. I am also considering on moving from the OT which I have had for almost 3 years to an ECM, Lelit or Decent machine.
I have the Mekanika Max like in the video. The vertical space between the portalfilter and drip tray isn't great. I am worried that adding scales will mean the measureing shiot glass won't fit. WDYT? I cannot afford the Acaia scales 🙂
Hi MY, There's 3.75" clearance from drip tray to portafilter spouts. Acaia mentioned fits NP. While it does not have all the features of the Acaia Lunar, this Hario scale will fit and is more affordable: www.wholelattelove.com/products/hario-v60-drip-coffee-scale-timer
Marc
In regards to the scale which one under $100 or which ones can you recommend that would fit my portafilter on it to weigh it? thx
Hi Sue, Here's our current scale selection with prices. The Brewista has excellent reviews: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/scales
Marc
Hey I have a question. I’m having 16g in and 32g out in 28-30secs but still it’s very sour. Should I increase the water out? Or I should add more coffee to my dose. Thanks
Hi Lloyd, Sour generally indicates under-extraction. But maybe it's in the character of your coffee? Any chance you are using very fresh from roast beans? Brightness inherent in those might be interpreted as sour flavor. Not knowing machine etc, Some things you could try: increase brew temp, increase coffee dose, if you have pre-infusion use it and/or increase PI time, if you have flow control use a very long low flow rate start to the shot so first drip happens at ~15 seconds then return to a little below stock flow rate. If doing that you'll want to decrease grind size a bit as well.
Hope that helps!
Marc
I have another question I have a rancilio silvia and wondering if it is necessary to back flush? If yes, what do i need to backflush? Is this item correct for my machine - Blind Basket Insert for Backflushing - 58mm
Hi Sue, Yes the Silvia should be back flushed. I believe they ship with a circular piece of rubber that will sit in the double basket for back flushing. If you don't have the rubber then you do want a 58mm blind basket like this: www.wholelattelove.com/products/blind-filter-basket-backflush-disc-stainless-steel
General recommendation is plain water back flush 1x per week and back flush with detergent like Cafiza every 120-150 brew cycles or 1x per month whichever comes first.
Do you also extract 1:2 ratio for 25secs from pump on for milk based drinks?
Hi there.
Great question. Some people use different recipes to make a coffee stand out a little more in milk-based drinks, but once I get my espresso dialed in to my liking, I will use that recipe for all drinks.
Mark I just got a new Home Machine. How much do you charge for a zoom session since i live in Florida.....?
Hi Steve, How does free sound? You can book a 1 to 1 zoom session with one of our coffee experts using our CoffeeCast service right here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/coffeecast
Marc
Hi Marc, I recently got a profitec pro 500,upgrading from single boiler delonghi machine. My grinder is breville smart pro. Pulled couple of shots, and I noticed the brew pressure is not reaching even 8bar on the dial. Tested with blind basket, machine shows rightly about 10bar. Is it my grinder too coarse? Also I'm using my leftover coffee aged about 2+ months old.
Hi M, yes, sounds like your grind is a little too coarse if you want a higher brew pressure during an extraction.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, just got a scale and at setting of 3 on the smart pro, 18g in and 40g out in 22sec.. Seems like some gap in grind settings..
Hi Marc, I’m new to coffee and been experienced some challenges! Having fun though.
I am just in the finest possible grind size but still getting around 20s extraction. Any hint where I am falling on Dialing in? Espresso also doesn’t get much crema!😢
Thanks for the video and an answer!
Cheers
Hi f, Would help to know what grinder you are using. Some just don't grind fine enough. Is it a grinder intended for espresso? If at 20 seconds, then you need a finer grind. If you are certain you are at the finest you can try a higher dose of coffee to slow it down.
Marc
Thanks for prompt reply Marc. Im using a Eureka Dolce Vita, and a Pro500. It should produce good espresso and fine grounded coffee. Surely I’m missing something rather than experience 😅😅😅 im at 20g coffee already. And pressure is not picking up as it should (did a test with blind basket and is all fine with machine!!). Any clue ? Thanks a lot
Thanks for prompt reply Marc. Im using a Eureka Dolce Vita, and a Pro500. It should produce good espresso and fine grounded coffee. Surely I’m missing something rather than experience 😅😅😅 im at 20g coffee already. And pressure is not picking up as it should (did a test with blind basket and is all fine with machine!!). Any clue ? Thanks a lot
Freshness on your coffee can make a huge difference
Question Please - If I have a double shot pull tine of 30 seconds, should I have a single shot pull time of 15 seconds, or is the pull time always the same regardless of the dose?
Great Video - Thanks!
Hey cav, Basic shot timing is the same for singles and doubles. At first glance that doesn't seem to make sense. But single shot baskets have fewer holes so the flow rate is lower.
Marc
Thanks very much, Marc. I didn't know that! I really appreciate your reply.
@@cav7342 My pleasure!
Are you looking for a shot weight that is twice that of the grind weight?
Hi Mc, Yes! That's a 1:2 brew ratio like 17g ground coffee in portafilter resulting in 34g espresso in cup. Note it's difficult to use liquid volume in milliters to derive a weight in cup. The 1:2 brew ratio is just a common starting point. you may find you like a particular coffee at a different ratio.
Marc
Hello! Having trouble dialing in my shot timing. I have a scale with an automatic tare function and timer which starts going as soon as the espresso hits the cup. Given that the recommendation Mark makes is 25 seconds from the time the pump starts, should I adjust down to say 20 seconds as an ideal shot time?
Using the same 18 gram dose with a Eureka Zero on ECM machine.
Hi joe, Thanks for the question. Basic shot timing is 20-30. If your ECM has a rotary pump first drip will come faster than on machine with vibe pump. Keep in mind shot timing is just a reference. So if you pull a shot at 20 from first drip and it seems sour/under-extracted you likely want your grind a little finer. If pulling at 30 and seems bitter/over-extracted grind should probably be a litter coarser to speed it up.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc. It's a Casa V.
@@joetacchino4470 My pleasure. Guessing you know but JIC Casa V is a vibe pump machine.
Marc
I was always told not to fill the hopper with beans, only the amount needed for your shot.
Hi andy, Thanks for the comment. Yes, bean hoppers are not the best place to store beans! Depends on how particular one is but single dosing using only the beans needed is an option. There are grinders made specifically for that purpose.
Marc
I have two questions. First, when using pre-infusion for 5 seconds, should I include this time in the total brewing time, or should I start counting from the first drops? Second, with the same variables, I am getting a brewing time (including pre-infusion) ranging from 37 seconds to 45 seconds. Is this correct, or should I focus on the preparation and packing process?
Hey w, Including pre-infusion time is up to you. Remember shot timing is useful as a reference to your extractions only. They don't mean much if you're comparing with someone else who has different variables. Longer timing is not unusual. Especially if you include pre-infusion time. 45 seconds is on the long side but not out of the question. More important than timing is how does it taste? If over-extracted and bitter I'd go a little coarser with grind to speed up the extraction. Hope that helps!
Marc
This is exactly what we ended up learning, early on we were so focused on the 25-30 second shot that we missed out on great coffee. We use 23g in a 25g Pullman basket and get 45g of espresso in 40 seconds. It was by accident that we actually tasted (latte) the longer running shot and realized it was amazing! So don't get hung up on the time, just taste everything and you'll be surprised at what you may actually like.
How much time for a 9g single espresso?
Im strugling with crema on my espresso, bearly any, even when the coffe is runing slow on fineer settings. Bad coffe? bad machine? I tried different coffee already
Hi CLK, Thanks for the question. Basic extraction timing is the same for singles and doubles. Lack of crema may be due to type of coffee used. Not all coffees produce a lot of crema. If looking for good crema producers try traditional Italian style bean blends like Lavazza Super Crema or other blends with some Robusta coffee in the mix: www.wholelattelove.com/products/lavazza-super-crema-whole-bean-espresso-coffee
Why every time I switch my beans from light to dark roast I need to grind finer for espresso to be able to build the pressure when everywhere it’s says it’s supposed to be opposite.
Hi Vee, there are other variables involved that may have an effect. Like if you change the dose weight of coffee grind size will need to change, as coffee ages grind will change. Are your light roasts fresher than the dark? As coffee ages it generally needs to be ground finer. Keep in mind grind size is never set and forget! Also general guidelines are just a guide. Best thing is to dial in your grind size to match your variables.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I do single dose and usually go with 19g. Puck prep, no channelig. Shot always look good. I’m roasting my beans so coffee is very fresh. I just notice every time I change the beans from light to dark roast I have to grind finer. Theoretically it’s should be opposite
Excellent videos. Your explanations are simple and really easy to understand both for a beginner and for someone more experienced.
Indeed the type of equipment is there for several factors, notably the infusion time... The quality of the grinder you use etc.
When you use a manual espresso machine, you need the basic equipment...
The scale, a good grinder and a good temper and leveler. It is also necessary to know the bases also concerning the radio of coffee beans in the grinder and how many there will be in the filter holder compared to the basic time of infusion compared to the number of milliliters of coffee...
Whether it is a radio 1 of 2 or 1 of 3 as I use... Don't let go of your excellent work in teaching how to use the different equipment and others...
Well done, very nice work.
Hey Gil, Thanks for your support! I appreciate your comments and reinforcing points made in the video. Basic equipment/tools improve consistency and results in the cup. For ratios, like grind size there is no one size fits all answer - why one must always taste even if it appears to be a bad extraction.
Marc
My machine (Lelit Victoria) vibrates too much, so the scale does not work so great. Any tips for a work around?
Hi SH, What kind of scale are you using? I've used tons of vibration pump machines with scales and that's never happened. Is your pump in contact with the housing inside the machine? If you're comfortable doing so I'd open the machines up and see what's causing the excess vibration. If no resolution there maybe try a small cloth, towel etc under the scale to reduce vibration.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thanks for your reply. I bought the Timemore Basic Pro (so that I could also measure the flow rate). Now this expensive scale is only being used to weigh coffee beans before it goes into the grinder, which is for sure a waste. I think I should consider opening my machine, cause even some coffee cups tend to vibrate off to the side.
@@CaptBadLad My pleasure! Extra vibration is often caused by something like the pump or a pipe in the machine making contact with the case. Might be a super easy fix!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I found a "fix", which might be useful for others who will come across this issue in the future. The Timemore basic pro is insanely sensitive and just go whack when something is touching the side of the scale. I moved it about 0.5 cm away to the side, and now I can measure it perfectly (weight and flow rate).
If a scale is so important. Can you recommend one under $100? or even under $75? thx
Hi Sue, Here's our current scale selection with prices. The Brewista has excellent reviews: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/scales
Marc
Does dialing in 36g (double shot espresso) is made for one cup or 2 cups? Let's say you wanna do 2 cappuccinos, is 18g espresso on each cup enough really?
I usually use 14g basket and dial in 28g shot to make my cappuccino, so I feel 18g shot won't be enough to make a good cup of cappuccino
Hi l, really up to your personal taste and how coffee forward you want your cappuccino to be. Personally, I prefer a double shot capp.
I'm beginning to think that it's extremely difficult to make great espresso unless you have thousands of dollars to spend on fancy equipment. Unfortunately, I'm quite poor and paid a little more than $1K for my whole entry-level setup (Eureka Mignon Facile + Rancilio Silvia with a PID) and, after more than a year, I'm a little disappointed. Even though I order beans directly from reputable specialty roasters for diversity and freshness and used to use the scale every morning to develop a good intuition when it comes to how long a shot takes to extract and what the flow must look like, I was never able to make a shot that had the same nuance and depth of flavour as the demo shot the guy who sold me my machine made me. He had a grinder that sells for twice the price of my whole setup (this thing is more expensive than my car) and used my machine for extraction. The only explanation I can come up with is that there is such a world of difference between a $500 grinder and a $2500 grinder but I find it hard to believe.
Now that I'm writing this, I realize that the problem might also be the water quality. I'll try cleaning my machine and buying bottled water as a test but still... I remember buying bottled source water when I first got my machine and didn't really notice any difference when I switched to filtered tap water.
Hi NG, Don't get discouraged - you can do it! Grinders do make a difference but the Facile should be able to grind a decent shot. Between your grinder and the Silvia you should be able to get something good. Not sure if you have an original Silvia with PID mod or the Silvia Pro dual boiler with PID out of the box. Dirty machine can cause problems so cleaning couldn't hurt. Water quality does matter so if your local water has issues using better water could help. Some other tips: Good coffee puck prep. If your grind is clumpy out of the grinder stir it up. Nice level firm tamp. Work with your brew temperature. Do a short flush before pulling your shot and look for smooth water flow. For brew temp its cooler for darker roast and hotter for lighter roasts within the coffee brewing range of 195-205F. So 200 for a medium roast and 2-3 degrees either way for the others. Follow the timing and yield in this video. After your extraction take a look at the coffee puck. If there are holes in the surface those indicate channeling and a deficiency in coffee prep in the filter basket.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot for the detailed tips Marc! I do have an original Silvia with the PID mod but I don't toy around with temperature much, 103ºC seems to be the sweet spot no matter what beans I put in because I'll sometimes get bitterness if I go above that and anything below tends to be a little weak in the cup. The temperature drops 8-30 degrees during extraction depending on grind size, so it's my current understanding to set the temperature a little higher than what I would brew at since it dips so much. Maybe I should experiment more with temperature...
Guess I'm a little bitter because I come from the tea hobby where the quality of the leaves and water plus your technique account for about 90% of the results while the expensive handmade clay teapots and pour-over kettles add a little bit to the experience, you can do very well without whereas the fancy expensive stuff is imperative with espresso! Still, I've come a long way from my cheap Breville and pre-ground coffee beans hahah.
My beans are ground extremely fine and few drops of espresso drips now
Is there any fix?
Hi there.
Sounds like maybe you have ground TOO fine, thus creating too much restriction. Try coarsening your grind size and hopefully that should work.
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for reply
Is there anyway to use the one that is already ground in my espresso machine ?
Still debating a scale….
This was nice but I’d emphasize a WDT tool. That will make a huge difference
Thanks for the comment. Yes, was staying a little basic here but WDT is very useful - especially if grinder is throwing clumpy boulders!
Marc
Beganer
If it takes over 30 seconds adjust grind coarser?
Am I hearing this right? 😂
I think you need to reshoot the video. If someone’s shot is coming out at 35 seconds and they ain’t happy with it, they are gonna hear this. Stop the video. Run downstairs then adjust coarser and get worse results.
Hi ROD, Thanks for the comment. This is basic beginner level dialing in - types of coffee used here are likely to be over-extracted at 35.