Can Indie MMORPGs Save the GENRE? (Less is more, right?)
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I’m a full time Graphic Designer, Game Dev, & CZcamsr. I specialize in making cute, colorful games in Godot and telling my story through my videos. I also run my own little game studio called Firith. My dream is to hire my friends and make Firith a full-time job. I’m known for games such as The Keeyp, Wizbirds, Snomes, and Dewdrop Dynasty.
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I wanted to use gamemaker but its not for linux :(
Video legal mesmo não sabendo inglês
Try godot bro it's the best game engine
What software do you use to edit your videos? Such great editing.
Oh, hey. My game is the thumbnail and mentioned. Appreciated.
The best game mentioned obviously.
Nice - you should do some dev videos; def would be interested in learning about builds for games like that
Hey, just asking here because i can't find any info elsewhere, but how do i get in to play Agos? Whenever i visit the website it just shows how many players are online and nothing else.
@@polychrome2838 same
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Club penguin is actually a banger game, I wouldn't be ashamed of playing it
It really was :D
I use to play it and it was awesome
Sadly I am a year too late to the club penguin age. I tried it but nobody I knew played it.
Oh yeah! Which it was the only one he listed I played...
hell yeah mate
He'll yeah
Ayyyyyyyyy Jabrils the man here. Love your videos man
;)
Yea
yeah
8:31 It might look hard at first, but really it's like learning a new programming language or a game engine you will get used to it over time (It used to be a pain working with networking a few moths ago, but because I've worked with it so much it is almost the easiest thing in the world for me)
nice job i hated every moment of it and since than im working on a medroidvania 😆 (no networking)
Definitely! It's totally worth it!
I started watching you for tips, then i just started watching everything you put out.
Lmao same
SAME his content is just so fk good
:D
same!! c: his content is top tier
Inspiring video 😁 my favourite MMOs were Habbo Hotel, Adventure Quest Worlds, and Poptropica. In future I definitely want to make a Poptropica inspired game, there really wasn’t anything else quite like it.
Heck yeah!
I remember playing aqw and poptropica with my brothers good times!
Dude, I loved Habbo Hotel!
This video was very insightful. I’m very new to coding and am currently learning how to use Godot, so watching tutorials and videos like this is very inspiring. Battling with my ADHD and being overwhelmed with my stressful full time job makes things difficult sometimes but watching this video is just what I needed as a motivational boost.
I know that I eventually want to create an RPG game about shapeshifters. One where you go through a story and fight enemies and collect loot to get stronger and stronger for both your main form and your shapeshifter form. I haven’t seen a game like that yet and I know it’s something I would love to do as my eventual big future project. Just need to practice making smaller games first lol
Heck yeah!
While not quite the same as your concept, you should check out Kameo (an old Rare game about an elemental shapeshifter) and the original ben 10 game for inspiration
110% agree with your point on the unique/weird gameplay. It's why I like playing indie MMOs; the devs usually don't feel bound by needing to appeal to a huge audience, and as a result a lot of fun, interesting things can be created.
I think I've mentioned this before, but I found Fantasy World, and as a result you and the rest of the Firith team, because I one day started trying to look up footage of Stick World Online since I had fond memories of it. Luckily for me, I think you'd tagged some of your trailer vids for FW with Stick World so I found them right away hahaha.
We definitely did! haha
Probably my favourite online game was Graal Online, and now being able to witness fornclake, TheRetroDragon, and the rest of their team make Tetraforce, which gives me the Graal Online vibes, it's just awesome.
Woah! I'll have to check it out.
One of my favourite features of GameMaker is a little less obvious one: Packages.
Basically packages allows you to put any part of a project into a sort of zip file that can be extracted into other projects, which makes it easy to separate certain features that need backup and reuse code without cloning and moving project files.
I also love the structure of GML, it just feels far easier and quicker, and more readable than a lot other languages I’ve used, whilst still having a lot of functionality. And since it is a proprietary language, it feels super easy to make games with it without having to clash with language itself to build the game
Heck yeah!
hmm, I think an MMO that focuses on some form of randomization/RNG(random character designs, items, stats, worlds, etc...) would be cool. IDK if this is just me, but for most gamers today, getting different individual experiences in one game compared to others is something important, y'know what I mean?
Like an example of this is when your friend is talking about what cool item they got or what new unique monster you fought or what new build/strategy you created for unique situations is kind of a cool thing nowadays in gaming.
That's a great idea! Thanks for sharing! :D
Some days ago I started watching some videos about starting to develop a game (due to pure personal interest). And the more I see videos like yours and the comminity involved in game developing the more I'm getting excited to start my own learning journey and projects.
It s you video about your 2 mmorpg made with Construct that really give me confidence in trying to make mine inspired by a game i loved as a kid. Now i'm more ahead in the devlopement that i never thought i could get. Thanks man
That's awesome to hear! :D I wish you the best of luck!
One day im gonna make an indie mmo, its basically my dream
:D Go for it!
A Gamemaker sponsor? Never seen one of those before
I've seen a lot today
I wish Godot would ;)
my favorite feature of gamemaker was the fact that I could make pixel animations and actually learned most of my coding using the drag and drop also how you did goodgis (the other part of learning to code was devoted to brackeys, the ledgend who died basically)
:D
Your thumbnails are so good! :) It makes me go HYPE! whenever i see a new vid by you in my CZcams notifications! :) Keeyp It Up! lol
Thanks so much! :D
This just threw my brain right back into the past lol. Its not quite the same, but i still have really fond memories of realm of the mad god. I was also reminded of this one flash game, i cant remember what it was called but it was a 2d platformer kinda deal where you could just build whatever you wanted from a giant set of materials, the only distinct thing i can say about it is that all of the players were emojis, but like... The old forum board style of emoji
XD
I started out with EQ back when it was just ledgends of kanark. It was so much fun back then. No maps, no tracking, just go kill things and grind. Oh how I loved rushing into Crushbone and getting party wiped only to do it again! Lately I've been playing Legends of Idleon which is on mobile and steam, and links together. It's a pretty fun mmo / idle / rpg game.
I played EQ too, waaaay back in 98-99, the Asherons Call in 99-2000
That's awesome! :D
Runescape is where it’s at! The story of how the brothers made it and how it blew up is super inspiring! I’ve always wanted to play more games like it, but haven’t quite found anything that gives me the same feeling of excitement for adventure.
It amazing, it's one of my favorite games of all time. :D
Hey so I love your content and I looked back at that other MMO video that you did, and I have an idea to make enemies visible to everyone, (I know that you're done with fantasy world but it's an interesting idea in my opinion) which is to make a set of enemies that the player's game controls, then, the game sends the data of the enemies to the server which makes the enemies visible to all, also, this would encourage people to be more close as a community because there would be more enemies when more people joined. Just a thought, love your stuff.
That's not a bad idea, though it is a security issue!
I remember loving NeoPets and a few other more forum-based games. Not truly MMOs, but collections of simple games with a strong community around them. If I were to delve into MMO design, I'd want to create something like you feature here: lightweight, with chat and community being first and foremost.
Heck yeah!
I played a lot of fable quest and other similar games around 2009 and really loved those. I haven’t really played any mmos recently though. The closest thing to an mmo I played recently was this idle gacha game called Aurora legend which is now discontinued in the west (I believe the Asian servers are still up). I do miss the the days of finding great communities and gameplay. I miss the days of playing clash of clans and knowing every individual person (at least by their online identity). The wholesome communities are definitely something I miss.
Heck yeah!
MMORPGs are my passion, I used to play them a lot. but now i'm in uni and i have no free time to do that anymore T-T
It's time for you to make one then. ;)
The moment you mentioned Game Maker, my brain went to Stick Online. That caught me offguard when you actually mentioned it!
Gosh, seeing those shots of Yoyo games and Stick Online is just a tad surreal.
:D
If only all sponsor Ads were like this. You make a good point here about developing simple MMOs. Something realistically achievable by a lone Indie dev.
:D
So much nostalgia for me I have been using Gamemaker since 2009 and seeing other peoples game's always inspired me as well.
I just started with Gamemaker, and prefer it over Unity and Godot! so smooth and makes so much sense
@@paypercutts Yes it is so intuative to work with it would be perfect except the are new updates to the engine are buggy and errors just appear out of nowwhere they better those issues soon otherwise its harder for me to reccomend when this keeps happening with new builds.
@@HonestRogueGames that's really good to know! Thanks mate!
:D
I didn't know GameMaker had such resources, which is sad, because at the time I tried it I knew little about coding, but indeed fell in love with the interface. Gotta get back in!
Going way back, you have stuff like MUDs that are basically just a chat with a few bonus bells and whistles. Yet some of them have thriving communities to this day.
I know, those were awesome! I miss the old web.
So relatable. Looks like you played all the same GM MMO's I did. Memories, man! XD
They take me back!
Ohhhh man, Stick Online is such a throwback, I spent hours on that as a kid
Heck yeah!
the main things ive been exposed to are pony town, and scratch, but i would like to try new things!! also if i was able make ANY game at all, i would make one based off of inside jokes with my friends. it sounds fun! thank you so much for being a nifty creator, youre the only one im not scared to write comments to.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing!
One of your videos showed me libresprite. I cannot thank you enough. I started it yesterday, and no tutorials, and I already made a few spritesheets.
Great to hear!
Okay am I the only one who’s weirdly happy Wandersong was mentioned as one of the games in the sponsor?
Not at all. I actually knew about the dev long time ago before they were commercially successful.
Very interesting
I used to sink hours into MMORPGs around OSRS and Maplestory time, but I never encountered the online examples you used here
Now I feel sad I missed out on them, but happy for the future as I truly believe in the Indie MMORPG world and am also trying to get into developing something a bit less massive but definitely in that realm of game experience.
Great video Goodgis, as always.
Thanks so much! Yeah, I'm sad that most of them are gone now. ;(
RUNESCAPE IS SO NOSTALGIC!
:D
Great video! I've been a runescape player for years and have tried out many other MMOs.
I definitely think the small social MMO is missing at this moment but I am unsure if the market actually wants it.
Hopefully someone will give it a go and make a success of it.
Well said!
For a few months i have been thinking about a pseudo city building/ VRSocial MMO.. the concept i have in mind is that players get virtual zones or plots if land (of about 50 km^2 or more ) in which they build a city/town/environment (inside and outside) which can be uploaded to the servers and freely explored in VR, the city building can be done on desktop and exploration and socializing in VR.
Structures can be tagged as shops/clubs/homes or as under construction which will make the tagged building inaccessible and rise from the ground at realistic speeds ( 3 mtr per hour or so).
Now with unreal 5 engine this might be possible.
Sadly no coder and always have these wacky concept ideas :P.
That's a really cool idea! :D
Great video! I should really start making a fun multiplayer game at some point!
Heck yeah!
preach!! I've been thinking this same thing lately about how much fun I used to have in middle school playing runescape, and how different online games have become now .. people focus so much on graphics and giant beautiful maps and less about community and simple things which made games like runescape so much fun. It seems the novelty of meeting people online has largely been overshadowed by all of the innovation and beauty brought into modern games. that innovation is great obviously, but I have much nostalgia for those older, more 'simple' games.. but also to say runescape is 'simple', even in 2007 is probably clunky wording on my end. so much content
Heck yeah!
You have inspired me to start learning networking for godot
That's awesome! Best of luck to you!
How the frick do you not have more subs, ur content is great
Thanks so much! :D
I have a little ambitious MMO Game idea that I want to start putting some work into it. Funny that this idea start by watching some devlogs videos like yours even before this video. However, for now I still need to finish some other personal projects before going deep down this rabbit hole.
Hey, best of luck to you!
@@Goodgis Thx dude
I played so many games from so many genres and platforms growing up but the ones that fit the kind I think you are talking about that I can remember are like gaia online and habo hotel, I did play a lil bit of runescape and obviously club penguin too (don't be embarrassed, it was like the fortnite of the past, all the kids were playing it), there were some more obscure ones that I just can't remember the names of.
Thanks for sharing!
i played Ragnarok online for 8 years as a kid ! and i enjoy any minute of this game! we need back to classic MMORPGs!!
i cant enjoy any of the moderns MMORPGs....
its time for Indie to shiny in this genre!
I adored Ragnarok Online. I can't believe how addicting that game was lol
Classic! haha
It's funny you mentioned RS and Maplestory because I came to this video because a friend and I are setting out to make a Side scrolling Runescape style MMO xD.
That's awesome! haha
Hi, game designer here, I need programmers to supplement my dyslexia and autism, but this is what I specialise at in design
Lol, I feel like Runescape was a part of everyone’s childhood - was all we talked about for a bit. Would love to make a big multiplayer game, the more social side of games is really fun; the real life interactions as a result of a game helps bring people together. Personally, I would love to add a multiplayer racing aspect to my game I’m working on - Classy Train; but have no idea where to start for that side of the dev. Uploading dev logs for the game to this channel, so if I get that far I’ll post about it
That could be super sweet!
Yo I am the original creator of Scandux! Thanks for including me!
I was called Shexoda back then.
Also a fun fact: Scandux was supposed to be a runescape meets maplestory. The mechanic I used for shooting the bow was recycled from a game I made that was similar to angry birds. The reason the game was so glitchy is because I was super inexperienced with coding at the time. The inventory system was made with help from someone, I did not have a clue how it worked at the time. I ended up giving the project to Coollog who ran it for the last bit of time. At some point there was gonna be a Scandux remake with better graphics but I ended up giving up on making games due to mental health issues. Thanks for enjoying my game it really made my day seeing it on this video!
Woah, what a small world! It's so cool to finally virtually met someone who made one of my favorite childhood games. :D
@@Goodgis For you to call Scandux one of your favorite games really means a lot to me! Seeing this video actually got me to get a laptop and start coding again so thanks!
Now you inspired me to create my own game ... I tried in the past but never finished ... now I really want to do it . So wish me luck ! 🥰🥳
You can do it! I believe in you!
I have some questions about the keeyp
1. What exactly is the garden expansion
2. How long is an average game
3. How much is shipping in the uk
The keeyp is ships only in the usa but you print a copy for yourself
average game time is 20 mins and I checked and the game costs £36 with the game and shipping combined
btw you buy the international shipping version by backing the game on kickstarter
Check out our livestream for all the information!
Hey! What program Do you recommend to code games? I already have aseprite for the sprites but im a total newbie on programing games!
Godot is fantastic, though it can be a little tricky to learn at first. I suggest you start learning Python.
I got into game design later in life (possibly to late since I have burned out a lot of my brains creativity grinding through minimum wage jobs in US economy) and love doing simple graphics since it makes modular characters easier.
My problem with Gamemaker was dropping support for 3d. However, the sprite editor tools are still handy for textures.
Cosmindev has been doing some awesome things with GMS 3D recently. :D
If I were to make an MMO, it has to be a 3d Action MMORPG with elements similar to Base PSO2, God Eater Burst, and Monster Hunter. The graphics doesn't have to be ultra detailed, but has the art style of early 2000s anime mmorpgs, or God Eater Burst models.
Trust me, there is nothing I want more than to quit my job and make an MMO. but keeping up good servers costs $$$, I want to do it eventually though.
Yeah I suppose it all comes down to scope and what you perceive as a MMO experience. I say that as there are cloud hosting options as a lower scope alternative like Atavism that charge you $30 a month for up to 100 concurrent users, all the way up to $129 a month for up to 10,000 concurrent users(both are base subs).
Depending on how many players you have, it definitely doable!
@@Goodgis yeah, but see my unrealistic self wants to make a persistant mmo for thousands :(
i am definitely gonna give game maker a shot i have an idea that i want to bring to life
:D
I love your videos! Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! :D
God I loved stick online. I used to play that so much. Have never really seen anyone talk about it before :')
Greetings Goodgis! Just came across your channel and I think Idleon is the perfect fit for you and your channel. It's an Idle MMO created by the one and only LavaFlame2. If you're into slow start games with long term progression, you should definitely give Idleon a try! Also love your editing style 😁
That's sweet, I'll have to check it out!
@@Goodgis let me know what you think 😁 it's inspired by MapleStory
Fantastic video!
Thank you very much!
I want to make a game similar to Minecraft but it's more of a hard survival MMO game. basically, you survive the night from a lot of types of mobs and bosses that try to break your base. but to progress, you need to fight dungeons to make it harder. if you fail to protect your base then you go back once. I also want it to be a multiplayer experience instead of a solo because with friends it brings more fun and enjoyment. I have other games in my mind that are huge than the call of duty. but for now, I'm trying to learn to code but it's too complicated.
Sounds pretty sweet! I wish you the best of luck. :D
I love MMORPG's
Yeah, they're great as long as they aren't like card games. I want real time hack and slashes and interesting quests.
Pereger is a decent example, but not quite what I want, not any lifestyle systems
Me too! ;)
Been thinking about this era as well. I'll make one!
Go for it!
Something with isometric pixel art will be cool (maybe like a Ragnarok Online).
That could be sweet!
I don't know if it qualifies as an MMO, but I loved Star Break.
It was so different and fresh. A permadeath bullet hell mmo with progression and skill expression.
Nowadays MMOs seem like an experience that plays itself instead of a challenge.
I want an MMO that requires practice to do well and I want to feel amazing for doing so, all while not having to grind for months for the challenge to start.
Sounds awesome!
I'm so happy game maker is finally getting the publicity it needs I love gml I've been using it for like 5 years
Heck yeah!
I love what you said here and my dream goal I'd to create my own mmo but I'm a begginer at coding and barely know how to make anything lol.
[I'm learning lua btw]
Well, it just takes time and practice.
The problem is, we are not at a point where its all that feasible to make an indie MMORPG that can compete with the big names that have been our for years.
This is due to a lack of ways to overcome the resource differences of an indie VS a big company. Though, that is slowly changing. Bit it'll still be several decades before one can actually compete with the giants.
I might do it when I'm done with my other projects.
:D
@@Goodgis Love your vids bro
@@Goodgis Hey again! (I’m on a different account btw) I am starting my mmorpg!
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I'm not a game developer so I wouldn't know if this is possible but have you ever tried integrating hand draw art into wiz world. It wouldn't have to be an enemy or area but like a costume or a hat could look hand drawn and could be a rare drop. It might look cool and unique in a game full of pixel art. Once again I don't know if this is possible but it might be cool to add in Wizworld on the new one your making
It is possible to integrate hand drawn art into a game, just have to scan the art and put it in
This is definitely something I have or "have been" doing. ;)
legends of idleon is a great mmo although it is way more grindy than anything else i've played but its got a great super active community that is always up to help someone if they need it
It sounds perfect for me then haha
I still actually use game maker studio 1.4, is it still okay for 2022? (or 2023+?). I've always dream of making an online game for my friends and supporters but I don't know where to start. I've made a game but its only a single player game(still in development)
I came upon this video just as I was forming a plan for a MMOFPS in my brain. What timing.
Heck yeah, that's awesome!
If you guys want a Roblox MMO game that perfectly describes what Goodgis is talking about, I highly recommend Hexaria. The gameplay focuses around getting cards which are attacks, creating decks out of said cards, and using them to fight on a hexagon grid map. The game is amazing and gets fairly frequent updates despite the small developer team. The game is amazing and has a wonderful community, as well as an amazingly advanced competitive community that is still very friendly. I highly recommend checking it out if you love Roblox and MMOs.
sounds cool! :D
so question, does gamemaker allow you to use both coding + drag and drop or just individually? (like either only coding or only drag and drop based programming)
Yes!
Great stuffs here on your channel! Your right I miss the Original Ragnarok Online the latest release does not feel the same : ) I wanted to create one too; I ended up just making my own Game Network Library, No game yet but upcoming : )
I wish you the best of luck! :D
This inspired me thank you
Glad to hear it! :D
Hey you should check out Legends of Idleon! It's an single dev making an idle game that's an mmo. Its really cool, you can play on steam, android and the web browser
The developer actually reached out to me recently! I'll have to check it out!
A tutorial about networked multiplayer with photon and construct 3 would be interesting
:D
My favorite mmo is from a indie solo dev that made a game called idleon ngl pretty gud
That’s awesome!
Anyone ever play Realms of Past Worlds? It was an old top-down Runescapey-type MMO written in Game Maker. It's the only MMO I ever played for more that like, a week, because I actually felt like part of the community.
Never heard of it. It sounds sweet!
I'd love to work on a simple and small MMORPG
but there are several reasons why it most likely wont happen
one being that New World will go public Beta in a few weeks so I won't have time for anything
I feel yeah haha
Hey Goodgis, have you played Dofus back in the days ? used to be big here in France back in around 2006. It was the free alternative to WoW or GuildWars haha.
Never heard of it, actually?
I've been watching my son play Roblox, which is basically what you were saying, it's basic grindy games with communities around them. he would sit there all day, clicking and chatting
Heck yeah!
What in God's name inspired you to put banging sounds as background music. - Its like trying to listen to a friend with a noisy toddler in the background
Just wanted to give you that feeling of being over a friends house, trying to chat with the dishwasher in the background. ;)
I've always hated how all mmorpgs just arent perfect for my liking. theres always something wrong like tons of random icons all over the screen or too many things to do or not enough things to do so I'm making one that I really hope I'll be proud of and finally can play a mmorpg style game I enjoy
I used to play helmet heroes all the time, it's a shame it's pay to win (always has been), but it's still loads of fun. The music, art and gameplay are still really nostalgic for me.
Heck yeah!
I'm currently working on an indie MMO sort of project.
That's awesome!
Yeah, I do really like simple MMo, with social and fun !
Same! They are just more interactive. :D
That's what I'm learning gamedev for. Servers and distributed systems are also getting easier to use. So I hope we will get more indie MMOs. They need much more innovaion than a high budget one allows to. Too much money on the line...
Defintiely!
Once I finish my text adventure, I'm gonna make a tiny MMO in Rust :D
Heck yeah!
@@Goodgis :D I'm really excited about it
Love gms2 I've been using it for my own project
Me too. Way better than Unity and Godot for what I want to achieve
Classic!
7:52 I completely agree cuz most of the times indie MMOs are just the devs recreating something they would love and play!
:D
Whenever anyone says MMO I think of runescape skyrim online, etc. But a lot of people overlook Roblox and what is pretty much a massive amount of MMO RPG's made in the roblox engine.
True
Me: watching video
CZcams ad: ALBION ONLINE IS A . . .
LOL
I really wanted to start becoming serious about gamedev this year. I was able to finish a game with 2 months last year. However, my laptop died just recently. Now, I can't make anything. I feel like I'm failing.
Do it as soon as you get another desktop. I only started 6 months ago and I love it!
That sucks. :/ Well, you can still always learn by watching videos.
I want to make one, your not wrong.
I will try
Go for it! :D
WHAT did you say about club penguin
It's my FAVORITE MMO! ;)