How to hone a scythe! / Bryna lie
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2021
- Here we really deep-dive into the skills of honing and keeping the sharpness of the scythe. Me, Jan Wester, have worked professionally with this tool for over 15 years, 3 months a year. We also sell scythes and have scythe courses. This is a long video, but definitely worth watching if you want to enhance your skills! Both beginners and those who regard themselves to be already skilled will find something. There's a lot of valuable advice throughout the video, this guide will give you an idea.
At 10:00 we discuss the importance of repairing damages on the edge before honing.
At 23:00 How to tell if the scythe-blade is sharp
At 30:34 we are showing a simple and safe way to hone a scythe for new beginners.
At 38:40 How to sharpen the scythe the "normal" way
At 56:00 How to hone scythe-blade like a professional
At 61:00 How often should you hone the scythe?
Här gör vi en riktig djupdykning i färdigheterna att bryna en lie och behålla skärpan i liebladet. Jag, Janne Wester, har haft lieslåtter som yrke tre månader om året under 15 års tid nu. I företaget säljer vi mycket liar www.slattergubben.se, och vi håller mycket liekurser. Det här är en lång film men definitivt värd att se om du vill öka dina färdigheter att hålla lien vass. Både nybörjare och du som redan anser dig kunna allt kommer få bra tips. Det är många värdefulla råd som ges under hela filmen men här kommer några hålltider.
10:00 vi pratar om hur viktigt det är att reparera skador på eggen innan man bryner och hur man bäst upptäcker dem.
23:00 hur känner man om liebladet är vasst?
30:34 vi visar det allra enklaste och säkraste sättet för en nybörjare att bryna ett lieblad
38:40 Att bryna lie på normalt sätt.
56:00 Hur du bryner lien som ett proffs!
61:00 Hur ofta ska du bryna lien?
Vi kör den här filmen på engelska och hoppas ni förstår! Grejen är ju att så många fler miljoner förstår om vi använder engelska här på CZcams.
Arguably the best educational video I've seen regarding honing. Keep up the good work and more like this video, please.
Thanks! Glad some people cope with the long format!
Thank you, Jan and Jen! You're both excellent tutors! I'm going out to put into practice what I just learned and then going to introduce the business end of my scythe to the tall grass in my ditch. May I give you a word of encouragement and caution? Do NOT carry your cell phone in your pants pockets; the radiation from them are causing testicular and bowel cancers. Fact, not a theory; the warning against doing such is actually found somewhere within each cell phone. Women shouldn't carry them in their bras either; causes breast cancer. Carry them in a separate pouch, preferably one lined with aluminum or a thin lead material. Keep up the great work!
GREAT VIDEO
70y old Kiwi, from Kopu, here. When I learned to scythe 5 years a go, my tutor & scythe seller gave me a 20-minute tutorial after the most meticulous fitting and adjusting snathe and blade to suit my height and at the end of the tutorial, said;
"Mow in the morning with dew still on the grass or just after rain. as the water helps lubricate the blade as it slices through the grass and weed stems"
"also the blade stays sharp longer"
At my age a 20 to 30min stint in the morning is a good bit of exercise and I get around the 5556sqm property quite quickly.
The older dryer grass & weeds are so much harder to cut, so I got a much shorter "brush cutter blade", soo much easier to stroke/swing, slightly slower in sqm, but still a good workout.
again GREAT TUTORIAL
As my father taught me, never clean blade with bare hand. Minuscule metal shard can be embedded in the skin and you might not even feel them. They will present issues later in life when they get embedded even deeper. Old ways - grab a bunch of cut grass, twisted it tight and wipe the blade. Or carry old rag to wipe. In addition, straddling scythe under armpit will give you great control when you honing and gives you ability to have longer passes. 😊 really enjoyed video - thank you for keeping old craft alive!
Stephen from Kopu in New Zealand, 70y old. I initially had a peening hammer but no Anvil.
So I used the back of my tree felling axe to act as the anvil for peening.
The axe has to be very well-supported and not move around, when tapping with the hammer.
I get my strong nephew to slam it into a waste high stump, that works well for me.
The mild force of peening doesn't damage the back of the axe blade as they are not very hard blows, and you are imparting most of the energy into moving metal in the blade you're tapping.
@@greenwood4020 great! Everything that achieve a good result is good!
Thank you - thank you - thank you THANK YOU Jenny and Jan for an extremely informative video. As you say in the video "honing is so, so, so important". I have been scything since last year, but I could never get a well executed cut, despite viewing countless video tutorials on scythe setup, lay of the blade, mowing stance, peening and hafting angle. But, after watching your video and applying your knowledge, I an thrilled to say that I finally got it! I honestly feel like a kid who is finally able to ride his bicycle without the training wheels! It feels so good to be able to execute a clean, effortless cut. Problem, I was not honing correctly, nor was I using a coarse stone after peening. But now, it is like a hot knife through butter. I sincerely appreciate all your efforts to pass along your hard earned experience and knowledge. Very much appreciated.
Thanks! Glad to hear! Now you are like a surfer who finally caught a wave! Once you been there you don't want to go back! Ride on that wave in whatever conditions you mow in and when you are really skilled you can hone often but very gentle in a correct angle - you know I can go with a blade with full sharpness for two full workingdays, sometimes more , between honings.
Still is the best honing video on CZcams, so far. And longest.
Thanks, we might try to shorten it a bit in the future. But first many more new videos!
Don't shorten, as a beginner I don't think there's anything to cut out from this long video
Don’t shorten! ❤
This is the first video I've seen that addresses my reality mowing on less than ideal terrain with things that dent the blade...constantly. Thanks for sacrificing the blade to show this!
There are details and levels of mastery in this presentation that are humbling. I still have so much to learn! Thank you for an excellent video on a topic that most barely describe.
Thanks, yes it is nice to deepdive in the details!
Seriously loving these videos! I'm so happy that you explain every minute detail: where to place your hands, how to face your body, how to face the scythe, your hands, fingers, literally everything is covered, and the WHY behind it. It's SO helpful. Maybe this sort of thing is taught at in person scything courses, and I've yet to do that. But all of the videos I've watched to learn this skill have told me WHAT to do, but not why I'm doing it. Please keep these coming! (I know you are 🙂)
Thanks! I am glad that you perceive it that way. I am personally allergic to besserwissers who do not know what they talk about, they know very well what to do but never why!
And it is the best scythe honing video.
I'm honored! Thank you
@@slattergubben6702 And the longest ! (c) 😄
thank you that was excellent I am Italian born in Australia and use Austrian blades on home made steel handles
one my fathers and one my uncles I was never taught but learned to sharpen from my memories of watching them
you have been a great help in refining my skills
I will try to pass them on to my son
Thank you , such wonder tool, 1:34 thank you.🎉
I really enjoyed that, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks!
Absolutely! That was great! I'm going outside now to put into practice what I just learned! Thank you.
Absolutely Awesome tutorial!! Thank you! :)
Good information, I can’t wait to get mine and do this
Very informative, thanks !
This really helped me, thank you both 💚❤️👍
That's lovely to hear! Let us know if you have any questions :)
Thank you both.
“Edge” was the word in English you were looking for.
“Use the force” 😅 or leverage in some cases.
Looking you from France Normandie great honning lesson. thanks you.
Happy to hear it!
Do you do any scything? I'm in normandie very often
I think the tip is called apex
Very good detail. I will be trying out this honing method the next time I am out. I loved her face when you damaged your blade on purpose. I made the same face…
Also love too see that faces! We do it at the end of the day on all scythecourses - with the blades they have peened and then learned how to hone and scythe with. It's of greatest importance to understand this dimension of caretaking of the blade! And that damages do happen, smaller often than bigger.
You guys make a great duo when teaching. Great details covered, I've got some experience but still learned some things. Thank you!
Thank you for watching! :)
We are thinking of doing more videos together, anything you want us to cover?
My understanding from first two minutes: Each thinks they have authority or authorship and then science and bone joint with variations in rotations of axis and different metals and placements of fulcrum type points of scythe design. Thanks There was an American who presented differently. Thank you for teaching it is not just American versus Austrian scythe.
You speak better english than the english. Superb teaching.
Tack så mycket för videon Janne. Det australiska gräset ar lite hårdare än det svenska gräset.
Ok! Then go more with a course stone as it will make the cutting edge a bit toucher teethed. That grabs hard and dry grass better
@@slattergubben6702 tack för budskapet
Hi Craig,
70y old Kiwi here. When I learned to scythe 5 years a go, my tutor & sales person gave me a 20-minute tutorial after the most meticulous fitting and adjusting snathe and blade to suit my height and arm length. Besides the basics of scything, he imparted the most important tip rite at the end.
"Mow in the morning with dew still on the grass or just after rain as the water helps lubricate the blade slicing through the grass and weed stems"
"also the blade stays sharp longer"
At my age a 20 to 30min stint in the morning is a good bit of exercise and I get around the 5556sqm property quite quickly, The older dryer grass & weeds are so much harder to cut, so I got a much shorter "brush cutter blade", slower but still a good workout.
@@greenwood4020 thank you for taking the time to reply with that tip mate.
I will give it a try when our grass comes out of its winter dormancy
Excellent film! I'm glad you took the time to go into details and let yourself talk about stories around your scything experiences :)
I will humbly get my knees wet to feel the edge of the blade better before getting up and trying those nice movements from generations of mowing practicionners.
Do you have anything to add to this film? Updates on the techniques or the theories for why the "up then down" technique is better at getting the scythe sharp?
I would gladly watch a follow up if there is a point to making one!
Thanks ! Glad you took your time watching!
I am thinking about doing a serie of similar films with Jenny regarding the different arts and aspects of peening. Would you like that format?
No, nothing really to add. On the courses we now teach the more simple technique of honing that Jenny shows with the snath in front of the body instead, sitting on your knee or if you can't, standing and having the blade resting on a chair or what is available.
@@slattergubben6702 I would love it and someone I know would too :)
You're a blessing
Посмотрел Ваш фильм. На мой взгляд, в наше Время есть смысл делать для камней (оселков) ручки из пластиковых трубок. Я ими пользуюсь много лет, также их используют и на Балканах.
Почему-то они правят округлой частью лодочки. Мы всегда правили плоской частью. Слева прижимаешь, опираясь на верхнюю кромку, тем самым задаётся угол заточки. А справа легко снимаешь заусенец.
Косовьё втыкаешь в землю, зажимаешь подмышкой и левой рукой держишь за косу, а правой рукой бруском правишь. Таким образом коса четко зафиксирована и лезвие видишь по всей длине.
Hello Jan and hello Jenny, thank you for this fantastic video. I had learned a lot and I'm already practicing some technics. My question: ist there also a video coming in the future about collecting the gras in an effizient way? (Or is there a video you already made and I haven't found ;) Best regards from Austria, Michael
Thanks! It is planned
Those with experience have stories to tell. The devil lives in the details and you went there to wake him up. Thank you very, very much for this video.
Glad it helped you!
Takk så mykket! Is there a massive difference between the fatter, wider blade that Jenny has there, and the much thinner blade Janne is using in many videos?
Посмотрел Ваш фильм. На мой взгляд, в наше Время есть смысл делать для камней (оселков) ручки из пластиковых трубок. Я ими пользуюсь много лет, также х используют и на Балканах.
Sorry, need to translate to English for me to understand
If you wanna see old school scything, you should visit Romanian mountain villages during summer on hay gathering for winter times
I know! Would be very nice to join!
You're always welcomed to give a hand to people there, especially cuz they're short on work hands at this sort of things
Would honing with leather and a polishing compound make any difference in shaprness
In theory yes, but the issue here is that you immediately after honing start to mow many square meters where you push the blade down in the ground meaning that it goes through dust, antpiles, some soil, through a tussock ....and then you need to hone again BEFORE you actually starts to feel any difference. The extremely little extra sharpness you achieve from a leather is simply not worth the effort.
where do you get the yellow honing stone belt holder from? i can't seem to find one, i am from England.
I know you can buy them from a couple of good webshops in UK. I can find out if you do not find
@@slattergubben6702 ok thanks for your help.
A "honing" steel would be a better thing to straighten a bent or folded edge than the honing stone. I imagine it isn't worth the inconvenience unless there are a lot of stones.
(it's called a honing steel but it doesn't really hone at all, it just straighten the edge of blades that are designed to have a very sharp, acute edge that is soft.)
Of course you can also use other hard round things like a screw-driver or your Allen key. But the honingstones you are anyway carrying and they are very good at repairing. This is my profession in daily life so I have tried and have experience from many ways of doing it!
I'm in the process of writing a piece of fiction. How long does a scythe last, being used seasonally on a farm? Is it something that could be passed down from father to son, or do they eventually wear out and need to be replaced after some years of frequent use?
A grinding scythe that has been used in Sweden and the Nordic countries I would say only last one season. A god peening scythe maximum 10 years of working use. Often less. A good snath - yes could last for decades.
@@slattergubben6702 Great info, thank you!
I´m a bit sad I never had my grampa teach me to hone. The only thing I´m sure of is he only moved the supporting hand once, doing most of it from the base grip and only moving to support the last decimeters.
Then you lose counter-force and control.
I've watched this video like ten times and still can't get even a passable edge on my blade. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Perhaps not peened thin enough?
@@slattergubben6702 that was for sure a part of the problem! Double peened and it's cutting well enough. Need more practice honing, I think. Thank you!
45:45 Posterior deltoid
What do you mean? Not native English speaker you know
@@slattergubben6702 That's the name of the muscle group mentioned. The muscle group doing the work.
Ihr macht eine gute Wissenschaft aus dem Umgang mit der Sense.
But: it is horrible to see that you scratches the apex =Schneidkante at any strike of the stone. You should lift the stone before you reach the top end of the stone. Never slip the cutting edge by the top oft the stone!!
Es ist schrecklich zuzusehen dass ihr den Wetzstein am Ende jedes Striches über die Schneidkante rutschen lässt!!
Damit macht ihr die feine Schneidkante mit jedem Abgleiten mit der Spitze des Steines kaputt. Horrible to see this.
Best greetings
Thomas
Ok, I hear what you say and heard it before. But give me a good reason why?
Especially in the context of teaching how the honingstone is used. I have quite thoroughly arguments to every detail I teach. After teaching 100ds people on courses and in the company where we mow professionally.
Joy Division!
The devil is in the detail of honing it seems.
Definitely!
Since the banning of children slaves in swissyland this must be a new cult-ure.lmao
Madame is not rockent science. Even simpler then a new app on
scything is not for women
There are lots of women taking our scything courses actually, as well as working on our team and teaching courses. They're all awesome and they can decide for themselves if scything is for them or not. Let's not dictate what others can or cannot do.
You are both great. Believe me if I say that right now I am going to spend few hours "attacking" some long grass I have, that I have left growing because for me the scythe was a mistery 😄. Now I understand I wasn't getting the honing right. I also found an antique pinning hammer here in the house we bought, but I haven't found the little anvil.
Thank you for the channel, you're welcome to visit Cantabria, Spain, anytime.
Stephen from Kopu in New Zealand, 70y old
I have used the back of my tree felling axe to act as the anvil when peening.
It has to be very well-supported and not move around, when tapping with the hammer.
I get my strong nephew to slam it into a waste high stump, that works well for me.
The mild force of peening doesn't damage the back of the axe blade as they are not very hard blows, and you are imparting most of the energy into moving metal in the blade you're tapping.
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Thanks!
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