Will Jimmy Haslam really ask the city's residents to pay for half of a new Cleveland Browns Stadium?
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2024
- The Brook Park Browns may become a reality in the near future.
Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and his group bought 176 acres of land in Brook Park by Hopkins Airport, which could be a leverage play against the city to help with funding.
The Haslam's are rich. Really rich. Is it fair to ask the city's residents to front half the bill for a new stadium?
Last week, the Haslams bought 176 acres of land in Brook Park out by the airport, so the question is will they use that land to build a new stadium for the Cleveland Browns and move them to the suburbs? Are the Cleveland tax payers willing to put up some of the money for a new stadium downtown or will the Haslams have to do it on their own outside the city limits?
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Well said folks! A private corp wanting public funding for it's enterprise is wrong.
Didn't we just get a new stadium?
Just so you know. Just because someone is a billionaire, doesn't mean he's not paying taxes. There are 735 billionaires in the US. They pay 42% of ALL taxes in the US. Facts matter.
They control 95% of the wealth
Can you share where you got that info?
They’re paying property taxes, payroll taxes, and they actually create jobs and directly and indirectly increase economic activity within the areas they operate.
@@BeanieDoggersonHis numbers are a bit off. But the point is the same (and correct). The top 1% of earners pay 40% of income taxes. The lowest 50% of earners pay 3% of income taxes. Those numbers are from the IRS.
Control 90% of the wealth, pay only 42% of the taxes 😂 yeah billionaires need a handout
Dont think brookpark residents have money for him.
Brook Park Brown’s. I like it!!! It be way easier to get to and get it off the lake. The wind. Hopefully it gets a dome on it. It make them legends!!! If city don’t want to help you build it. Hell yeah reap all the rewards and build around one you build in Brook Park. Be hell of a lot better than pulling a Modell on everyone.
Mike slammed that take. Keep that creativeness flowing, UCCSS!
Tax payers should not be paying for a stadium. Pay for your own stadium Jimmy.
Most fans do not want to pay for it.
I don’t live in Cleveland anymore, but I still have a home there. I spend most of my time in Atlanta. The Georgia Dome and now the Mercedes Benz Stadium host so many major concerts and events outside of Football and has energized surrounding businesses due to the constant traffic in the area. The City should only split the cost if it’s a roofed stadium, because the City will benefit from it throughout the entire year. It’s time for the region to enter the 21st Century economy, and stop the blue-collar nonsense. That’s not how modern economies work anymore.
@@VigilantHawk I understand your point, but there is an indoor roofed venue. Rocket Mortgage Field house (Cavs) seats approx. 20,000 fans. Most concerts are not going to be Taylor Swift or Beyonce, so there is plenty room for most events and concerts. They just have to utilize the available resources.
@@rpippen3455 They’re plenty of other artists that generate crowds of that size. And what I know about those type of events is that people from the surrounding states who cannot get those concerts will travel to see those type of Artists. So you all of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Upstate New York, possibly areas of Ontario as well. That’s hotel stays, restaurant and local businesses patronage, rock and roll hall of fame visitors, etc. Not being able to accommodate those type of crowds makes negatively reflects on the cities global image. It’s a cute City that’s not ready to compete with the big boys.
@@VigilantHawk Well, the stadium can still accommodate Concerts,etc , with excessive crowds during the summer. Billy Joel and Rod Stewart's Concert will be at the Stadium this September. In addition, Cleveland has accommodated very large events, NBA All-Star weekends, Political conventions, tournaments, etc. as they currently continue to expand those accommodations today. But, it does not appear that is the number one goal for the Haslams or the community. If the billionaire wants to pay for this, then fine. But. this is not an urgent need for the people of Cleveland, whereas the city has more important and urgent needs .
Let Mr Moneybags and the Overpaid Players Finance their Own Stadium .
Exactly! The team wants the community to subsidize the stupidly outsized salaries they pay the players. I hope Brookpark says, “No.”
Not one single comment about what a new stadium WITH A ROOF (key detail) would do for the Cleveland economy. You have to spend money to make money. All the crosshairs are pointed at Jimmy & Dee. Why not point them at political leadership in Cleveland? How are we one of the most impoverished cities in the country? What have they done to improve the city even the slightest bit? Crime is way up, but we're focused on Haslem because he's the "big bad rich guy". The city f'd up in the first place by hastily rushing the current Browns stadium. However it needs to be done, get me a new stadium WITH A ROOF, and then we'll talk in 10, 20, 30 years when we've seen the benefit of year-round income because of that stadium. The discussion I just watched was a roundtable of one-sided "talking points".
Finally someone who isn't economically illiterate that gets it. People act like only 1 guy will benefit from this is the same stupid way of thinking that has cleveland poor in the first place. Last years superbowl brought in a economic impact of over 1.1 billion dollars to the host city. Thats 1 event over the stadiums life. How much tax payer money will the city make off that stadium ? Nobody is talking about that just the immediate cost right now . That stadium will pay for itself in no time and will benefit EVERYONE. Not just Jimmy Haslam. And we wonder why the Midwest hasn't grown or changed in 50 years.
Haslam can't be so stupid as to think there's that amount of money in Brook Park.
I say build a retractable roof stadium in Brookpark and use tax payer money to bring up the lakefront
This is the way.
Agree
This was put together very well.
1931 to 1996,.. 65 years Cleveland municipal stadium was around. And you're saying that the new Cleveland Browns stadium Just over 26 years old is old and decrepit!! The Cleveland Browns stadium is not old. You just figure if you keep saying it people will believe it and it will become truth. Whether the stadium was built in a hurry is one thing, but it is not old! By any stretch of the imagination
No it's not old , maybe some renovations , but that's it
It’s called CAPITALISM
Years ago Modell talked about Strongsville and a few other Local Citys for a new Stadium . Same take the Taxpayer shouldn't pay for it blah blah blah . I wonder what all the Sports announcers will do for a living if the Browns decide to Move further out ask The City of Oakland and St Louis about it . A dome brings more concerts look at Indy and their complex it is more then just a 10 use property
Football stadiums aren't cost efficient for cities even domes. 8 games. Only a couple musicians do stadium tours (plus the sound is terrible). You might get a Wrestlemania every dozen years or so. You will never get a Super Bowl. Same reason Minnesota hasn't in 30 years despite having a dome.
Meanwhile the Gateway stadiums are going to last 50 years and get great ROI because the teams are well run, they get 5-10x more home games, allstar games, actually host playoff games, and are the perfect size for 99% of large touring musical acts.
Minnesota did get a Super Bowl (Eagles Patriots).
lol , Minneapolis just had a Super Bowl like 4 years ago…. When they BUILT A NEW DOME 🤷🏽♂️
Uh yes we would get a superbowl and I guarantee you the nfl already guaranteed Haslam one. The last superbowl generated 1.1 billion to the host city . Thats 1 event. Imagine over 30 years. You have to be dumb not to. Why do you think he chose a prime location right next to the airport and I x center.
Their current stadium isn't exactly what you would call old.
Cities should not be on the hook for commercial investments by private individuals regardless of how many local residents would be hired or how much business would be attracted. The city of Cleveland and or Brookpark could put it to a taxpayer referendum. If the Haslams are impatient with this process, they could assume complete responsibility and risk for this property development. “Caveat emptor”
Then cities shouldn't collect any taxes on any of the revenue. The last host city got 1.1 billion in economic impact to host the superbowl. Everyone wins with a dome the economic impact over 30 years will be massive. If you want the tax money to go towards schools, police , etc then that's on your politicians for them not to squander it, not Jimmy Haslam. Everyone should help pay for the stadium because its impact on the community will be felt by everyone not just Jimmy Haslam.
The government be it federal, state and or local has the legal right to tax revenue whether it be income, property and or assets. Just because a new stadium will have economic impact on a community, does not justify everyone paying for it through taxes. If you don’t support that, then don’t vote for elected officials who do. That’s the way a republic governs. Though we have democratic values, we are a constitutional republic. We vote for individuals to represent us.
@@user-wf5sv3rr2o you're right we are a constitutional republic. If you have a problem with the city being poor etc vote the liberals running cleveland out. I dont support any taxes, but I'd rather see tax money goes towards new investments in a community, real jobs, and something that generates wealth for the community than foreign wars, garbage pork projects that never come to fruition , etc. At least its being spent on real things and on Americans
Haslam has not purchased the land
It is dumb saying that billionaires don’t pay taxes. They might have lower tax percentages due to not having ordinary income, but they paid plenty. It is about total revenue not tax rates. Tax cut might lower tax rates, but most of the time it will increase tax revenue. However It is difficult to find optimal spot for rate and revenue. I hope browns move to suburbs, since Cleveland is full of people think rich people owe them. People are being richer than you don’t stop you from being rich.
if the stadium needs to be remolded it is the city's responsibility to help pay for it what no one is saying is the city and the county own the stadium the Browns are just renters they do not own it would you pay to remodel a place you are just renting ..
City and local business thrive from a new stadium. Anything less than that mindset is shortsighted. Tax weed and gambling 3% and pay that bill 10 years from now.
Residents pay for stadium. Do they get discounted tickets, some of the teams profits,? He already spent 230 mil on a guy that doesnt play, WE have no good draft picks, will go broke in free agency. WE have a good plan here.
He about to move the Milwaukee Bucks to brook park 🤔🤣🤣🤣
The Browns need a new stadium with a roof!!
Cheap cities like Cleveland don't get it. Ratmore, Oakland,St. Louis follows the cheapest cities and doesn't care about the local team.
A new stadium will bring revenue of epic proportions to the city of Cleveland.
You guys sound crazy if the city won't help, he will build himself
this new brand of corporatocracy has the average american cornered in every facet of life. it's even bled into sports, which was supposed to be our 'escape' from feudalism. guess not.. 😢
And how many billions of dollars will that stadium generate the city, county and state over the course of 30 years? Its a win for everyone and everyone should have a hand in it. How many jobs , new investments, and economic growth? The last suoerbowl generated 1.1 billion in economic impact for the last host city. You guys aren't seeing the big picture only the immediate impact.
Yes
Everybody in the comments saying don’t build it in Brookpark and keep it downtown will be the first ones fighting to get into the NEW dome stadium, screaming their lungs out, rooting for the Browns…FOH 😂😂😂 #SELECTIVEOUTRAGE
If they come to a cold, lakefront stadium and sell it out for 8 games, when the team is 0-16 and who have never made it to the Super Bowl, you're right they'll still come. That's the unfortunate catch the Football owners have on these fans and their pockets, especially browns fans.
How did Jay go to Watson’s contract lol … he’s a real hater
Jay, you wanted a football team, you got a football team, now paid for your football team, or somebody else will. All Clevelanders screamed and cried when the Browns left for Baltimore, and petitioned the league to keep the name and colors, all because people like YOU didn't want to pay the bill to keep the team when it came due. Now this is your "back to the future" moment, whatca gonna do?
BTW Jay, you do realize that there is no football team in Milwaukee, right?
Him owning the Milwaukee bucks means nothing to this conversation.
Billionaires pay taxes also….Jesus get educated
How do their boots taste?
If the Browns start winning super bowls I don't care we're they have it at it can be in Cleveland, brookpark,
Why is Mike polk still around. The dude isn't funny at all
browns needs a new stadium !!!!!
The state needs to fix roads brown's suck