Visual proof | Why ln(ab) = ln(a) + ln(b) ?

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  • @charlievane
    @charlievane Před rokem +175

    you have video bugs and misspellings and a 2vv, but it doesn't matter as the presentation and content is top notch :) cheers

    • @9remi
      @9remi Před 11 měsíci +1

      2vv?

    • @charlievane
      @charlievane Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@9remicheck 5:45 :)

    • @MohamadEftekari
      @MohamadEftekari Před 10 měsíci

      For talking about areas, you'd better take absolute value of both sides
      abs(-ln(1/a)) = abs(ln(a))
      The negative sign comes from integral definition of ln(x) which I believe you assumed on the process.
      But nonetheless great job 💚

  • @hacenzein5711
    @hacenzein5711 Před rokem +143

    This is spectacular as a first video.
    I’ve never seen a cooler way of understanding the ln function. Adding to your opening statements, ln doesn’t just verify this property, but as most prepa student have seen, it’s the only solution to : f(xy) = f(x) + f(y)

    • @smoother4740
      @smoother4740  Před rokem +13

      Thanks Hacen, I appreciate this comment!
      Yeah, I remember seeing this fact in prepa :), now I see it more clearly because of how connected the property with the (1/x) curve, which is the primitive of the log function.

    • @qya33
      @qya33 Před rokem +6

      It's technically not the only solution to f(xy) = f(x) + f(y). That's Cauchy's logarithmic equation, which has infinitely many solutions that aren't proportional to ln(x). If it were continuous at one point, monotonic on some interval, bounded on some interval, or whose graph excludes some disc on the plane, then the only solutions would be a constant multiple of ln(x).

    • @natevanderw
      @natevanderw Před rokem +5

      @@qya33Could you real quick give me one of those solutions that aren't a constant multiple of ln(x)? It would have to be discontinuous everywhere, if I recall.

    • @qya33
      @qya33 Před 11 měsíci +6

      ​@@natevanderw I don't think it possible to write down such a function (or if it is, then I'm unsure of it). You're correct that it's discontinuous everywhere. The best example I can give is taking a non-linear solution to Cauchy's arithmetic functional equation (i.e. f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)), letting it be f(x), and then f(ln|x|) would be a solution to f(xy) = f(x) + f(y), and not a constant multiple of ln(x) (although, if we're being pedantic, it would be a multiple of ln|x|).
      The proof of the existence of a non-linear solution to Cauchy's additive functional equation on Wikipedia is non-constructive, so I'm not sure of any explicit examples.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy%27s_functional_equation#Existence_of_nonlinear_solutions_over_the_real_numbers

    • @natevanderw
      @natevanderw Před 9 měsíci

      @qya33 thank you!

  • @JediJess1
    @JediJess1 Před rokem +50

    You earned a sub from me. I'm judging in SoME, so I'll give my feedback here the same way I would there.
    This is a brilliant visual proof for this property of ln. I always just associated it with it's conguency with n^(ab) = n^a × n^b, but I cane away from this video with a much greater i tuitive understanding of this property, and I always prioritize and value building intuition over memorizing a fact.
    Your explaination for depicting how to show that two rectangles have equal area by using parallel lines is very clever.
    I loved the visual demonstration that created the inverse function. I might have like to see a second square drawn in the positive region to show the creation of the positive side of the function, but this didn't take away from the beauty of the visual construction.
    When calculus gets involved, it can be very difficult for audience members to keep engaged, since numbers and equations can get out of control very quickly. You managed to show integration to prove to areas are equal without a single integration formula shown on screen, keeping the focus on the visual beauty of your proof!
    Everything flowed together very nicely. Proving one thing elegantly led to proving the next. You added on a little extra proof at the end which was just as interesting as the premise of the video.
    There were a few of text based errors here and there, but they were not enough to detract from the video. I loved the visuals, the music, the proofs, and I believe anyone who struggled to understand this logarithmic property will likely leave this video with a newfound respect and understanding for it.
    It's unfortunate you didn't meet the deadline in time, but I'm very excited to see your next video. A visual proof for e sounds very exciting. Keep up the great work!

    • @smoother4740
      @smoother4740  Před rokem +22

      Thanks for the subscription and the time you put for watching the video and writing this beautiful comment. I tried so hard to make this video meet the deadline in time but that didn’t happen sadly.
      I posted it anyway for people like you to appreciate the intuition and the beauty behind the log function.
      I put so much effort to oversimplify the proof, so this is why I structured it into these 4 ‘sub-proofs’. As you said, unfortunately, there was some text based errors here and there because of the lack of time and experience. But next time, I will try my best to minimise these errors :).

    • @blackcat5771
      @blackcat5771 Před rokem +1

      I think you meant n^(a+b) = n^a × n^b

  • @tasteful_cartoon
    @tasteful_cartoon Před rokem +23

    Best SoME entry I've seen so far!
    The introduction is a nice setup by giving a question to ponder through the video. And revisiting a well-known property, to then prove it from another perspective is at the heart of the event.
    I agree with others that equating the logarithm with the area of the curve had undiscussed assumptions behind, but it didn't lessen my surprise on how all the pieces led to the main result.

  • @Yahyachei
    @Yahyachei Před 2 měsíci +3

    math becomes easier when we visualise it. Unfortunately, that wasn't the way we've been introduced to it as students.
    This video is definitely a masterpiece 👏

  • @Manabender
    @Manabender Před rokem +29

    I love visual proofs like this. Everything makes so much more sense when you can see it. Very well done!

  • @freddupont3597
    @freddupont3597 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Outstanding - now that I've seen this (5 months after it was released), I can't wait for your next video - don't give up!

  • @mikaelrodriguez2755
    @mikaelrodriguez2755 Před rokem +4

    When I got done the video and scrolled down to like and suscribe, I was expecting to see a bigger channel. This is really a hidden gem, and I'm glad to have come across it! Keep up the good work, this was great!

  • @nikyto3429
    @nikyto3429 Před rokem +9

    I really liked your video! This is the kind of visual proofs i think students need to get a better understanding of something that is not so intuitive as you first encounter it. Keep up the good work! I also liked the animations!

  • @jesterps2236
    @jesterps2236 Před 11 měsíci +1

    very brilliant video the geometric proof really was mind blowing and memorable, hats off to you man
    this video does have some spelling errors, bugs, but overall the content and presentation as well as the explanation were amazing, though i would suggest you go in a bit deeper into the explanation for the younger audiences who might not understand some things such as limits or how the area of 1/x gives ln(x) but overall amazing video and worth a watch

  • @uoflphysicsdepartment8866

    Beautiful video! I love stuff like this and making animations for math is just a great use of time. Truly thank you and please make more and enjoy life while doing it. Have a good day!

  • @pipertripp
    @pipertripp Před 11 měsíci +1

    This was a neat presentation. Very elegant argument clearly presented!

  • @MideoKuze
    @MideoKuze Před rokem +12

    I loved this but it felt the integration step was somewhat glossed over. I accept that dln(x)/dx = 1/x but it would be nice if that could have been included in the demonstration.
    Otherwise extremely beautiful, I loved watching it.

    • @chammy2812
      @chammy2812 Před rokem +1

      I agree. The end just kind of jumped over the area under this curve, 1/x, is equivalent to the natural log.

    • @Diaming787
      @Diaming787 Před rokem +2

      Natural logs are *defined* as area under the 1/x curve.

    • @chammy2812
      @chammy2812 Před rokem

      @@Diaming787 that isn’t stated in the video though. All I was saying is that should be mentioned before the last 30 seconds where it’s used to make the conclusion.

    • @smoother4740
      @smoother4740  Před rokem +1

      @MideoKuze You’re right I should’ve mentioned that logarithm will be defined by the integral of the inverse function, i skipped that part unintentionally.

  • @hughobyrne2588
    @hughobyrne2588 Před rokem +4

    The quick video recaps are a nice touch. I approve.

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 Před 11 měsíci

      And the animations are so enjoyable, that it was a real treat to get to watch them again.

  • @harriehausenman8623
    @harriehausenman8623 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Fantastic video! I love the typos, they lighten it up a little 🤗
    And the cognitive value is immens in these animations, esp for beginners! 👍

  • @dffrnttd9474
    @dffrnttd9474 Před rokem +4

    This was great, learnt so much from this! Definitely keep going. Really intuitive and great visualisations.

  • @lacasadeacero
    @lacasadeacero Před 11 měsíci

    It was the origin on kepler's study of stars, it defined the law f(xy)=f(x)+f(y). But noone know before how to calculate it thats why kepler used tables.

  • @user-ik6sq3vh4w
    @user-ik6sq3vh4w Před 8 měsíci

    This is literally a masterpiece, keep going dear 👏👏👏

  • @nikitaursulenko8713
    @nikitaursulenko8713 Před rokem +3

    Such a great start! Waiting for another video ✨

  • @adamka6655
    @adamka6655 Před 11 měsíci +1

    What an amazing video!
    I really appreciate the effort you put in it
    There was few bugs, but it’s fine.
    And the method you used is just BRILLIANT.
    Thank you so much for such content and keep going! I’m Looking forward for your next video about the euler number😊
    And I have a question about manim, which version you are using and how did you learned it?
    And what previous knowledge in programming is needed so someone can use this library ?
    Because I tried to learn it but I felt that it’s very hard for me 🫠
    و أنا أيضا أعلم العربية (لكني كتبت التعليق بالانجليزية حتى يتسنى للجميع قراءة التعليق)، أنا آدم من لبنان، لي شرف رؤية عملك ❤

    • @smoother4740
      @smoother4740  Před 11 měsíci

      Thanks! I am glad you liked it. About manim, I used the latest version of manim Community. For the skills required, i think you need some basic knowledge of python and programming.
      ههه وأيضا مرحبا بك يا آدم ، و شكرا على التعليق .

  • @kjm520
    @kjm520 Před 11 měsíci

    I have been seeking an intuitive basis for logarithms in the sense of what they were created for. Formulas can only do so much, and this is the first visual proof I’ve seen, so it helps a lot.
    I subscribed and will be on the lookout for more.

  • @Titurel
    @Titurel Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thank you for this. One small point - music was unnecessary and made it a little difficult to hear you.

  • @KrasBadan
    @KrasBadan Před 11 měsíci

    6:16 I love this little animation when moving formula corresponds to changing parameters

  • @davidlixenberg5999
    @davidlixenberg5999 Před 11 měsíci

    I was unable to grasp why the parallel line from point b on the ordinate to the abscissa measured the distance/area ab. I would suggest that an insert into the video making this step clear is desirable.
    Your pupil,
    David Lixenberg

  • @speedsystem4582
    @speedsystem4582 Před 11 měsíci

    Pretty elaborate proving stuff from the scratch, the visualizations were so impressive...

  • @Kounomura
    @Kounomura Před rokem +3

    It´s really cool.... All that was needed was the Cavalieri principle.

  • @mathsnb7379
    @mathsnb7379 Před měsícem

    ❤❤❤ beautiful visual proof ❤❤❤ music not necessary 🙏🙏🙏 thanks for the video ❤❤❤

  • @radiomellowtouch
    @radiomellowtouch Před rokem +2

    That muzak 😮

  • @theseusswore
    @theseusswore Před 11 měsíci +1

    very cool video, especially since it's a first. i absolutely adore anyone who uses grant's animation tool but I wish I saw more newer presentation methods actually, and this is not directed towards you, but to all SoME entries in general. I'd love seeing even a pen and paper video on something like this, because it feels like all I see is this animation engine
    anyways sorry for the petty comment. other than misspellings, phenomenal video

  • @hardrocker253
    @hardrocker253 Před rokem +3

    This is a marvelous video. Euclid would be proud!

    • @smoother4740
      @smoother4740  Před rokem

      It’s funny because I wanted to include him in the video as a narrator but the time wasn’t enough for animation, next time 😅.

  • @pawebielinski4903
    @pawebielinski4903 Před rokem +3

    Very nice line of thought!

  • @MikhailFederov
    @MikhailFederov Před rokem +2

    Absolutely beautiful

  • @zendrogen5732
    @zendrogen5732 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I want more math videos like this

  • @AbuMaxime
    @AbuMaxime Před rokem +2

    Remarkable proof!

  • @ulisesdiale4004
    @ulisesdiale4004 Před 11 měsíci

    Bro why are maths so beautiful
    +1 sub

  • @djjcyxz
    @djjcyxz Před rokem +2

    Visual Math is exciting, especially when calculus is applied.

  • @dimuthdarshaka7985
    @dimuthdarshaka7985 Před 11 měsíci

    Very useful presentation
    Learn visually Sir.
    Thank you

  • @ulisesdiale4004
    @ulisesdiale4004 Před 11 měsíci

    Visual proof is so key for understanding, please keep it up

  • @fonck8757
    @fonck8757 Před 11 měsíci

    Qué bonitas animaciones te has sacado! Sigue así, este canal tuyo pinta bien

  • @ptrett
    @ptrett Před 11 měsíci

    Love this, looks amazing. What software are you using?

  • @arunray2986
    @arunray2986 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Need more of these

  • @josedacunhasoares9831
    @josedacunhasoares9831 Před rokem +1

    Love your video because very smooth

  • @MrWorshipMe
    @MrWorshipMe Před rokem +2

    Why is the area equal to ln(a) or ln(b) by definition? Did we define ln(x) to be the area under this curve? When?

    • @the_green_snake4187
      @the_green_snake4187 Před rokem

      the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x

    • @MrWorshipMe
      @MrWorshipMe Před rokem +1

      @@the_green_snake4187 is this the definition of ln? I know it's true, but not by definition...

  • @anpham613
    @anpham613 Před 8 měsíci

    This video is great but there are quite a few places that makes me think we are running in circular reasoning, logic.

  • @carlosoliveros8252
    @carlosoliveros8252 Před 11 měsíci

    The best explanation of logarithms I have ever seen in my life.

  • @MAG2200
    @MAG2200 Před 5 měsíci

    A great work just continue

  • @GabeWeymouth
    @GabeWeymouth Před 11 měsíci

    Nice! But I think it could be half as long without losing anything. Sometimes it is good to be as brutal as possible when editing the script and the final video.

  • @nicolascamargo8339
    @nicolascamargo8339 Před 11 měsíci

    Wow excelente ilustración

  • @tawabullas5058
    @tawabullas5058 Před rokem +1

    Superb

  • @LooWoo-pm8uk
    @LooWoo-pm8uk Před 11 měsíci

    The video is very nice.Could you tell me your color of background?

  • @cesarmaldonadomercad
    @cesarmaldonadomercad Před 11 měsíci

    Wonderful geometric proof. I loved it. Simple.

  • @tuhinkumarnath6511
    @tuhinkumarnath6511 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Ispired me a lot ❤

  • @easyfundbles2608
    @easyfundbles2608 Před 11 měsíci

    A great simplified video 👍👍 you worth all support ❤❤

  • @andikusnadi1979
    @andikusnadi1979 Před rokem +1

    Cool

  • @macesognadigitale
    @macesognadigitale Před rokem +2

    great work!

  • @D.E.P.-J.
    @D.E.P.-J. Před 11 měsíci

    Very nice video. The two rectangles being the same area is shown in Euclid's Elements, Proposition I.43.

  • @meofamily4
    @meofamily4 Před 11 měsíci

    The student meets the logarithm in high school math, in second-year algebra, but this proof requires a familiarity with integral calculus.

  • @theproofessayist8441
    @theproofessayist8441 Před 11 měsíci

    Just to check as a prerequisite to understand the proof - do you need to know a bit of integral calculus that indefinite integral of 1/x is ln|x|?

  • @yourfutureself4327
    @yourfutureself4327 Před rokem +1

    💜💜💜

  • @APaleDot
    @APaleDot Před rokem +2

    One of the best

  • @MrParry1976
    @MrParry1976 Před rokem +3

    Amazing!

  • @JohnSmith-pg3gw
    @JohnSmith-pg3gw Před 11 měsíci

    Sorry, but I didn't get, how and why there was a leap from 1/x to ln(x) as so it proves the considered property of ln.
    May be there is an implicit presumption of an integral from a to b of 1/xdx is equal to ln(x), it had to be clearly stated before the proof?

  • @pedrodionisio2733
    @pedrodionisio2733 Před 11 měsíci

    integral of 1/x never made this much sense, wow

  • @doubop8021
    @doubop8021 Před 11 měsíci

    beautiful

  • @yrusb
    @yrusb Před 11 měsíci

    Ok a) yes I´d be interested in a video where you show how you get to Euler´s number (and please don´t mispronounce that man´s name like 99.999% of English speaking folk does, his name is not >>iewler>oiler

  • @ominollo
    @ominollo Před 5 dny

    Nice 👍

  • @maximofernandez196
    @maximofernandez196 Před 11 měsíci

    nah, man. This is spectacular

  • @rahul9704
    @rahul9704 Před 11 měsíci

    0:47 I Googled to see if Chimistry was a real thing I didn't know :P

  • @billycheung5114
    @billycheung5114 Před rokem +1

    U do well

  • @yourfutureself4327
    @yourfutureself4327 Před rokem +1

    💙

  • @danilobucker
    @danilobucker Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome! Go on the good work.

  • @user-me5eb8pk5v
    @user-me5eb8pk5v Před 11 měsíci +1

    I always wondered why nobody invented curve pattern pan, thats why the rasberry pie cost as much as a junky old pentium for DIY. I wanted to show how addition and multiplication were equal at infinity, but this is much better proof.
    In my proof, some limit is reached in combination of permutation because, " NOT a grapefruit", is so meaningless, that by the design limitations of my own dimensional knowledge, eventually, like seven dimensions can rotate zero's clockwise, given 2^24, there's reached a dimensional permutation, perhaps due to my monkey brain and particles. lol! So you have a function New - > size (x), but in the grand scheme, "new" is an utter abomination, must be triangles, you will never catch me using triangles.

  • @Firqin1986
    @Firqin1986 Před 11 měsíci

    Incredible! ❤️

  • @topve808
    @topve808 Před 4 měsíci

    0:00 foreign

  • @cheikhbeyghalaouimohamedne2787

    Great

  • @thepaperempire7954
    @thepaperempire7954 Před 11 měsíci

    great video!! more math content please!

  • @kei1kato549
    @kei1kato549 Před 11 měsíci

    exp(ln(a b)) = a b
    exp(ln(a) + ln(b)) = exp(ln(a)) exp(ln(b)) = a b

  • @alebisello9106
    @alebisello9106 Před 11 měsíci

    Wonderful work!

  • @visualgebra
    @visualgebra Před rokem +3

    Subscribed 😂

  • @TPE_Mitchell
    @TPE_Mitchell Před 11 měsíci

    Hopefully 1 day I will understand the math

  • @bscutajar
    @bscutajar Před rokem +9

    If you're going to put loud background music, you need to speak up not mumble into the mic

  • @michalnemecek3575
    @michalnemecek3575 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The video is full of misspellings, misnumberings etc., but the proof is beautiful.

  • @TanmaY_TalK
    @TanmaY_TalK Před 11 měsíci

    Sound quality might be improved

  • @NYlivinginTN
    @NYlivinginTN Před 11 měsíci

    I wonder about the lengths covered by each rectangle. What is the relationship between how much of 1/x is covered and what the area is? Also, are each of these rectangles unique on their respective sides?

    • @jachojacek
      @jachojacek Před 11 měsíci +1

      video lacks definite integral definition - the area under the curve equals the definite integral
      pre-calc viewers may find it hard to understand this - but - I'm not discrediting this video and I think it's brilliant

    • @jachojacek
      @jachojacek Před 11 měsíci

      video lacks definite integral definition - the area under the curve equals the definite integral
      pre-calc viewers may find it hard to understand this - but - I'm not discrediting this video and I think it's brilliant

  • @facr
    @facr Před 11 měsíci

    That also could be a way to explain why the derivative of ln(x) is 1/x

  • @abdulfatah66
    @abdulfatah66 Před 11 měsíci

    Great work

  • @anilkumarsharma8901
    @anilkumarsharma8901 Před 11 měsíci

    Arithmetic
    Geometry
    Harmonise
    Quadrilateral
    Visuals mean level???

  • @korigamik
    @korigamik Před 11 měsíci

    I loved your video, can you share the code for making this video?

  • @kimba381
    @kimba381 Před 8 měsíci

    Very nice. But "Engeneering"? "Chimistry"? You put a lot of effort into this, how much extra would have spellcheck taken?

  • @helpicantgetoffofyoutube

    Please mske more videos!!!

  • @jeff-buri-jeff3716
    @jeff-buri-jeff3716 Před 11 měsíci

    Nice!

  • @adamq925
    @adamq925 Před 10 měsíci

    Wow

  • @KingGisInDaHouse
    @KingGisInDaHouse Před rokem +1

    Just raise it to the e.
    exp(ln(ab))=exp(lna + ln b)
    ab=exp(lna)*exp(ln(b))
    ab=ab

    • @muskyoxes
      @muskyoxes Před rokem +1

      There's a lot under the covers there. This method doesn't even need a concept of exponentiation

  • @trmaa_vm2439
    @trmaa_vm2439 Před 11 měsíci

    . (.) · (shift + 3) u use the wrong point use this 6 · 5 not 6 . 5 it's very different

  • @crypto_kurradu
    @crypto_kurradu Před 11 měsíci

    More videos plz

  • @dod-do-or-dont
    @dod-do-or-dont Před 11 měsíci

    10:03?

  • @choke7273
    @choke7273 Před 11 měsíci

    But how do you prove that the integral of (1/x) = lnx visually.

    • @choke7273
      @choke7273 Před 11 měsíci

      Also wouldn't it be faster to prove that for a rectangle formed by (1/x)dx where x=a, is b/a times larger a rectangle of the same dx formed at x=b. Then you reduce the height of the rectangles by multiplying 1/b and scaling the width by b times to keep the area the same, and then move all the rectangles rightwards so that leftmost rectangle touches x=b, since the original sum of width of all the rectangles was (a-1), after scaling the width of the rectangles by b, the total width will be b(a-1)=ba-b, the x coordinate of the rightmost rectangle will be ba-b+b=ba, since we know the area bounded by 1 to a, is same as b to ab, ln(ab)-ln(b)=ln(a), hence you get ln(a)+ln(b)=ln(ab)

    • @choke7273
      @choke7273 Před 11 měsíci

      Basically I'm taking every rectangle within 1/x from x=1 to x=a, stretching them and squishing them, and relocating them to the region between x=b and x=ba, basically same idea as the video, but without the parallel line thing. Although the parallel line thing is kinda cool

    • @choke7273
      @choke7273 Před 11 měsíci

      Also about the proof of the same area for rectangles in parallel line, one could use similar triangles to prove it, basically the ratio of the sides of the triangle is same, and since the similar triangles is "flipped", the length and width are scaled up and down by the same factor, causing the area to be same

  • @siegfriedbarfuss9379
    @siegfriedbarfuss9379 Před 11 měsíci

    Great content but the music is so annoying

  • @itellyouforfree7238
    @itellyouforfree7238 Před 11 měsíci

    Full of orthographic mistakes and the proof is extremely roundabout. A shorter geometric proof: define ln(a) as the signed area under 1/x for x between 1 and a. Now, fix b>0 and consider the transformation of the plane (x,y) -> (bx, y/b), which preserves the ares. The graph of 1/x goes into itself, and the area that was under it between 1 and a goes to the area between b and ab, from which you immediately obtain the result.

  • @ts.nathan7786
    @ts.nathan7786 Před rokem

    Dear, speek lower. We can not hear in the cell phone.