Pro JYM Percent Protein
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- čas přidán 26. 12. 2016
- Let me clear up the confusion people are experiencing when using the percent protein rule on Pro JYM. I wrote about high and low percent WHEY protein powders back when I was the Senior Science Editor for Muscle and Fitness Magazine. However, this rule doesn't apply when you are talking about a PROTEIN POWDER BLEND.
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sum "experts" and I use this term lightly..Lol..this vid was shots fired @ NutraBio owner Mark Glazier for saying Jim didn't know how to calculate protein content percentages
Actually this starts with a double lie being that Bodybuilding makes Projym with the same recipe which means there are at least TWO proteins on the market that are non-prop blends
I am quite new to Protein supplements. I know this video is around 2 years old, but just want to leave my opinion here.
Let me ASSUMED all your ingredients are the “highest quality”.
1. Whey protein Isolate: 7.5g (from 8.33g of source protein @90%)
2. Micellar Casein: 7g (from 8.26g of source protein @85%)
3. Milk Protein Isolate: 7g (from 7.78g of source protein@90%)
4. Egg White Protein: 2.5g (from 2.94g of source protein @85%)
Total source protein: 27.31g.
The Scope Size: 35g - 39g, which mean your flavoring is 7.69g (25.6%) - 11.69g (30%). And is non-dairy creamer a part of flavoring?
When you say Protein Percent Rules does not apply to protein other than whey, do you mean that when I buy, for example a Micellar Casein, it is better to get the lower percentage ones?
Yes, we know each scope contain 24g of “highest quality protein”, but we also getting a bunch of flavoring and perhaps fillers.
And let’s talk on the price perspective, comparing Nutrabio Muscle Matrix with Pro Jym.
Nutrabio (5lbs): $79.99, 73 serving, $1.09per serving, 25g protein.
Pro Jym (4lbs): $56.98, 51 serving, 1.12 per serving, 24g protein.
Maybe you will say you can’t compare a 4lbs with a 5 lbs but we as consumers (except your Jym Army) know how to choose.
Pre Jym is no doubt one of the best Pre Workouts money can buy. Still don't know if I'm sold on Pro Jym yet.
I put peanut butter on my sandwich but I use french toast soaked in strawberry syrup for bread and bacon jelly. But i still get the 10grams of protein. the rest is just flavor. I can apply this logic to to anything i eat.
Thank you Jim
If false analogies are the basis of your logic, then you can basically get to any conclusion.
Can someone explain why the rule is changed when it comes to BLEND ?
I saw the other guys video and immediately came to this one. all I have to say is, compare the gains lol. Side note, if you feel like whey is better, buy it, but some people like me hate the taste and would rather drink a protien shake that doesn't taste like butthole butter.
Lol
You also have to remember that WPI is guaranteed to be 90% yield and WPC is a MAXIMUM of 80%. When it comes to Milk Protein Isolates, Egg Proteins, and Micellar Casein, that changes everything. The percentage rule was useful when buying a whey to determine how high quality the whey was if they didn't disclose what kind of WPC used and/or if you wanted to determine the filler in a WPI. Since Egg and Casein are TOTALLY different proteins with not as much of a yield as whey, you can't use the percentage rule.
So to sum up, yes Pro JYM is a HIGH quality protein blend. Protein Percentage is irrelevant. He did not do a very good job explaining that in the video. You can't use a percentage rule to calculate a blend because by nature Egg and Casein aren't going to yield as much. Also, one thing that seems to be overlooked when referencing Mark's video is that if it is a lower percentage of protein of the tub, it is ONLY an issue if you can't determine why it is a low percentage. Obviously it is low in Pro JYM for two reasons:
1) Egg and Casein
2) the flavoring system.
If it was a low percentage, proprietary blend with a ton of aminos listed in the ingredients, then it would be problematic.
Brad, Maybe Jim should give you a job to do his marketing for him. Because if that *is* what he was trying to say, he did a horrible job saying it himself.
D L If you have decent comprehension it's kind of obvious. He even emphasizes it by pointing out Pro Jym is a Blend not just a whey protein.
Not an expert but I believe egg protein is a quality source of protein but leaves a bit of an after taste so naturally a bit more flavourings has been added to mask that bitterness. Not an expert just an opinion. Jym has great products. just too many haters in the world. Keep up the great work Jym. I also like Kaged Muscle supps too but Jyms just tips it for me
Brad, I get what you're saying but what everyone is missing is that nutrabios overall protein yield is almost 20% higher than jym's even though nutrabio uses a higher percentage of the lower yielding protein than jym. It should be the opposite by your logic. Pro Jym has 14.5g of whey isolate and milk isolate total, the higher yielding proteins and 9.5 grams total of egg and casein the lower yield protein. Nutrabio has 16 grams of isolate (higher yield) and 13 grams of micellar casein (lower yield), so nutrabio's protein has 45% of the lower yield proteins while jym has 39% of lower yield protein yet Nutrabio still gets a 20% higher overall yield even though its using 6% more of the lower yield micellar proteins. When you take into consideration the individual yields that proves that glazier's protein is even better than we originally thought.
Basically I need a large 39 gram scoop to get 24 grams of JYM protein.
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Love your passion
You can not convince me that scooper is holds 4 more grams than the one next to it. They are quite visibly the same size.
Nutrabio is better
How does the percent rule work for a flavored whey protein then? Shouldn't it work the same as Pro Jym because it too has flavoring?
So, I still don't understand why the percent rule doesn't apply to Pro Jym. All protein powders are flavored. Even protein powders that are just whey protein with no blends.
Can someone explain please?
So where’s my additional 192 grams in the banana cream pie (4 whole extra scoops compared to the chocolate mousse)? I’ve measured both proteins and the difference is not even close to 192 grams.
Basically just admit the 2011 article was a poor way of determining a quality protein powder. The percent of protein per scoop amount doesn't reveal the quality of the protein but solely reveals the percent your getting in regard to filler or non protein ingredients. Doesn't matter if it's a blend, whey protein, concentrate, isolate, or 2 types of protein or 5, etc. Protein is protein. Labdoor does this calculation and it's a poor way of ranking protein quality which is why some of the proteins ranked high are junk but have less filler. The percent of protein per scoop is only a good measure for your wallet $$ and not protein quality. The less protein grams per scoop vs serving size scoop just means yours getting less bang for your buck, but it will probably taste better since there's a larger percentage of non protein ingredients aka flavor. A lab test is the only true way to test protein quality or use common sense of types of protein used, carbs, calories, brand and ingredient label.
I currently use Bodymass Nutrition Whey. It's extremely cheap and got 80% Protein at 100g. The point is most whey protein comes from the same source. The only difference is the grade of filtration.
sir what about the lead warning on the pro jym product, i have already bought it but afraid of using it, can u explain this please?
ri ri just give it to me and I’ll see if it’s safe. Just for you buddy
Question , Is it ok for a 17 year old to have a protein shake after our workout or should he not take the protein shake. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you
Yeah it’s fine. Protein shakes are just to give you a protein source inbetween meals/snacks and to boost overall protein intake daily. You can even take multiple shakes a day. Say one scoop in the morning, one before or after your workout and then one before bed. It all depends on how much protein you’re aiming to consume daily.
my banana cream pie gets really foamy when i mix it in my shaker. Does anyone know why?
MrSayonara88 depends if you're mixing it with milk or water
Why do you have non diary creamer in your “outstanding” product? Is non diary creamer, sugar and shitty fat added back?
I don't understand what this was supposed to illustrate. Even by reading your article and assuming that whatever protein source(s) used is top notch, your point about protein % had to do with the value you get per scoop of protein powder vs carbs,fats and all the fillers. The protein % part was the "but you're not done" at the end after you went over the different qualities of protein used, so I don't know why that calculation doesn't apply just because you're using a blend. So if I get BCP then 30% of it is not protein, and if I get CM then 38% of it is not protein. If your argument was that blends taste so awful that 30 to 40% of it needs to be flavor to be the least bit enjoyable, then at least that would make some sort of sense, but just saying "my article was about just whey and this isn't just whey so it doesn't apply" makes no sense when it comes to the core reasoning for that %, which is that for a protein to be "great" the serving size must be at least 80% quality protein.
SkepticalAaron The point he was trying to make he actually didn't mention. The reason blends are lower in protein percentage is because they don't yield as much as whey, therefore it's impossible for a blend to have a high percentage. That is why the protein percentage rule applies to whey only.
Let's be totally honest here. He was deliberately trying to confuse the hell out of people. You are exactly right. When you pay for a 1.8kg tub of the chocolate, a shocking 38% of that weight is not protein. Therefore you get less 24g servings out of one tub. Jim knows this. He just hopes that people watching this video don't.
39g x 48 serving does not equal exactly 1.8kg. it's 1.872kg. Take that x 0.62 and / by 48 and you get 24.18g
People are forgetting some of the flavors are ALL NATURAL. That’s a huge deal in the supplement space. I’ll gladly drink that mix down anytime thank you very much
So I don't mean this as a job or anyhting. From what I've read and listened to online, sounds credible right :) , natural flavors can literally mean over 100 different things. Maybe its not so bad, and maybe it is. Then when it says unnatural flavoring, which their protien also says, that's not the best thing either. I'm sure the protien itself is good, but jsut how picky you are with extra ingredients.
I measure mine per scoop...60 %in his choclate. ..evl stack uses 5 different protein and 74%per scoop
This is a horrible, deliberate attempt to mislead people. The scoop size and amount of flavouring is totally irrelevant when looking at a percentage. You sell your protein powders by weight, right?
If I buy a 1.8kg tub of your chocolate flavour, according to your 60% figure from this video, I am getting only 1.08kg of protein in that tub.
If I buy a 1.8kg tub of the banana flavour, according to your 70% figure, I am getting 1.26kg of protein in that tub.
If one serving is 24g, then the chocolate gives me 45 servings, while the banana gives me 52. And the two flavours cost the same amount of money. So yes, there's a difference. The chocolate has more added flavourings which take up extra weight, but the 4lb tub still costs the same money and contains less protein.
You would have a fair point if the actual tub of banana was larger, and included the same number of servings. However, you charge the same money for the chocolate, even though there is more cheap flavouring and less expensive protein.
How's that for educated?
i absolutely love you products Jim. I use them and I can see the results. My concern comes when it comes to your ingredients list; i would love to see you list how many grams of each ingredients you put in, so there are no "blends" listed. I'm not calling anyone a cheat, i just want to stop the criticism from your competition. i understand what you mean by flavoring. I don't mind it; just call it what it is and list all the ingredients and their serving size (g) and everyone will come out of that winning!
now point no.2.: about bodybuilding.com agreement, where is the best place to purchase JYM supplements?
I bought JYM supplements from Bodybuilding.com because it's easy to have it shipped to Canada and from there wherever i get deployed to, but is there a better way? A cheaper way?
Stay strong!
Ken. I like to see as wwll
Why are there so many carbs in Pro Jym?
Jim Stoppani take the chocolate cookie crunch as an example. There's 7 grams per 38.7 grams. That's about 18 percent. Please don't get me wrong I'm not a hater, I just wanted to know if they have a special purpose.
Chocolate Cookie Crunch isn't an official JYM flavor. Official Pro-JYM flavors can ONLY be found on Amazon and at GNC.
It was an official JYM flavor until not that long ago...the flavors are really the only major difference between them.
trying to dumb it down for myself, but the percentages don't mean that much correct? 24g of protein with 8 oz glass of milk would be a higher percentage than 24g of protein with 16 oz of milk but either way i'm getting 24g of quality protein from your product?
Percentages matter in terms of economics. The power is sold as a tub containing a particular weight, right? Normally 1.8kg (4lbs). So if 60% is protein, then you are getting 1080g of protein (45x 24g servings). But if it's 70% then you get 53 servings, and if it's 80% then you'd get 60 servings. If the 60, 70 and 80% are all the same price, you'd be crazy not to get the 80%.
U should give us the same amount of servings to end this discussions
way to break it down doc 💪💪
you have to consider that almost 40% of the tub is NOT protein. That's a lot more flavouring, filler etc you're going to be consuming.
Dividing the the grams of protein by the scoop size only tells you how much protein you're buying in that tub, not the percentage.
Depending on the flavor we as a consumer will pay a certain dollar per gram. So... we basically get the most out of our money if we buy the simplest flavor is the way I see it.
When we divide the numbers we don't get the "QUALITY", we get the "QUANTITY". I guess we just have to trust that the manufacturers are going to give us the best quality for our money.
New Pro formulas have 9% sodium wtf?
I cannot get over the fact that the label says this product causes cancer. I cannot find any info about that, and you seem to avoid the topic. This is so confusing. I want to use your product, but I certainly don't want to give myself cancer. Similar warnings appear on tobacco, and I know better than to smoke.
Its on alot of products it's a California law to sell things there
If the aim of this video is to counter what Mark Glazier said in his comparison video, you're making yourself look very bad. Get your customers back by not selling them creamer and changing your supps to make them higher in quality. Who's to say your training advice is legitimate? Sad to see professionals act like this.
I never doubted on Jym supplements the moment I saw that video
Always have great tips in the gym, but a straight fraud in the business world who likes to delete comments.
how can i get that? supplement stores dont provide this product in Vietnam :(
Ok, are we talking about the quantity of the protein, or quality? Base on what terms? I personally find Jym's protein better for the following reasons: Base on the concept of protein utilization not protein absorption. Jym is by far a better "supplement" protein to take after or before a workout. what would it be the point of consuming a protein powder that claims even 30 grams of pure protein if we can only utilize 10 grams every hour. Unless you take it as a meal which defeats the purpose of it, we all eat a meal within the first or second hour. That being said, Jym's protein offers whey, casein, milk P iso and egg as a mix source for us to consume before and after our workouts. I believe, that is why he states his protein is the best so far in the market.
Protein utilization between the 2 is minimal since both blends are predominantly Whey and casein. Jym has a few grams of egg only that has no overall effect on protein utilization. Funny thing about the egg; if you read Jim's sell sheet it states research on soy being a medium release protein, but Jim then states he doesn't use the soy he uses egg because he and buddies in the gym like. He goes from science to bro science in the same paragraph and never gives any research to back the use of the egg.
Oh my God you still think the body can only absorb 10 grams of protein per hour? Lmao what an idiot
why even put dairy creamer in a proteinpowder ?
Flava
Good grief, another troll from the bio protein matrix video.
If you want quality protein then go eat some chicken or beef. I've tried all of JYM's new proteins and I'm not liking the new flavors at all. If I had to choose any flavor it would be the chocolate mouse. I also tried those other powders that have 90% proteins and they taste like crap too. I'm liking BSN Edge right now.
but doesn't that mean I can get more servings from the banana cream pie ?
Rawand Tawfeeq nah. there's just more total powder in the mousse
They go by weight, not serving size. So you get more serving and more protein with the BCP vs the CM. You get 52 servings out of a 4lb tub of BCP and only 46 out of the CM.
You'll get more servings in the flavor that has a lighter flavoring system; in this case yes, the banner provides more servings because you get 4lbs of protein that is weighed during manufacturing.
ummmmm chocolate 'mouse' ? PHD and he can't spell mousse ? His Pre JYM is good though have to say
Well the video starts with Jim saying his is the only non proprietary blend on the market so he kicks the whole thing off with a lie. It just goes downhill from there. Can't wait for him to lose his case against bodybuilding
So what was the drama here and what happened??
Hows that waiting going for ya?
2 years later... hahaha
I'm sooo glad that Dr. Stoppani released this video. I've had A LOT of worries about my Pro Jym purchases..since seeing videos by other CZcamsrs that manufacture their own protein powders...but now I feel a bit more reassured in my purchases and support of the JYM family of products.
How on earth did this set you at ease? He's trying to confuse you with this "scoop size" nonsense.
When you buy your protein powder according to the weight of the tub. Usually 4lbs (1.8kg).
If you buy the banana, in the video he says it's 70%, so that means the 1.8kg tub has 1.26kg of protein. If you buy the chocolate, he says 60% (due to extra flavourings), so that tub has only 1.08kg of protein in it. If they are the same price, then the chocolate is far worse value, and you're paying for a massive 720g of fat, carbs, flavouring, filler and additives which aren't protein.
I really like his Pre-JYM product, but this was a terrible explanation, designed to confuse people.
It is a proprietary blend, the breakdown of proteins would be on the supplement facts
Please someone answer this for me. I just purchased the banana cream pie and I noticed on the label it states that it contains a ingredient that is known to cause cancer..... wtf ..... please someone explain what is in it that may cause cancer?
Which ingredient is that ?
Jim starts this video with an outright lie by stating he has the only protein blend that is not a proprietary blend. He's obviously defending against glazier's video, and since the debate has been going on for months he knows that nutrabio's muscle matrix is not a proprietary blend, so why loose all integrity and just continue the lie. Jim, who cares if your protein isn't the only non-proprietary blend, that's trivial. Why should any of us believe anything else he you say if you continue lying about straight facts?
So in lamens terms. Same pro jym, more filler. You don't need all that extra grams of powder to make the protein taste good. Nutrabio can do it with less grams needed for flavouring.
Lmfao at another Nutrabio troll! The protein matrix crap is just that, crap.
60% protein? Even the 70 is low. If people have half a common sense, you just destroyed your brand in one video.
Every one pumped their body muscles but forgot to pump their brains 😂😂😂. Haters gonna hate Mr. Jym.
lol don't get any on your hair.
mickey chocolate mouse......
he has to know he misspelled it, right?
This is literally common sense lol people only believe what they want to hear..
This makes NO sense at all. If I buy a 1.8kg tub of the chocolate flavour, according to the 60% figure, I am getting 1.08kg of protein in that tub. If I buy a 1.8kg tub of the banana flavour, according to the 70% figure, I am getting 1.26kg of protein in that tub. Yet the two tubs cost the same. If one serving is 24g, then the chocolate gives me 45 servings, while the banana gives me 52. So yes, the banana is better value (7 extra servings), and they both pale in comparison to other blends.
ive never heard a guy talk so long and say NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Why would anybody even watch this guy , the worst of the fitness’s industry
Dear Jim, with all due respect and i probably know very "little" about supplements. I think your PRE and POST formulas are two of the best formulas in the market but ...... I think you have to be honest with your customer base (like myself), you perfectly know that your protein is a very low grade protein (period). Protein is protein without a doubt but please do not stain your legacy by keep feeding your arguments with lies and nonsense. I understand that your profits get smaller because you have to pay your copackers ( we all understand that), that your PRE and POST formulas are very good formulas ( we know) but stop adding another link to your chain of BS. I have seen the other guys video and i think makes more sense than all the videos you made and i consider myself your #1 fan. From Jym Army soldier, i would say this: just admit it and stop confusing people with the whole SCIENCE CRAP, Creamer is just a scam to get less protein content on the final package. JUST STOP PLEASE...
Not at all, the only reason Mr Jim added creamer to the formula is plain and simple, IT WAS TO LOWER THE COST PER BOTTLE. Why would you add fat (creamer) that the manufacturer already removed? Dont you think flavor companies can generate flavors strong enough with enhancers ?
I was a fan of JYM, i was part of the JYM army but they became bullies, you ask them something or prove them something they believe and they kicked you out of the facebook fan page.
Mr Bob, That is why they add the soy lecithin to the protein. Check Jym Protein and you will see the allergen statement that says: Contains Soy Protein (which is the lecithin) and on top of adding whey with soy (lowers your testosterone levels). He adds creamer. Please WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
If you buy your protein for mixability and taste, remember that butter powder also tastes very good, mixes well and has some protein content (about 6%) GOOD JOB WITH YOUR GAINS Bob!!!! I dont know why you brought up Nutrabio, There are a couple brands that do label trasparency. DO THE MATH, and Bob, i am just giving you my opinion based on my experience and i respect your. Good Luck Bob and thank you for your input
I agree with you that most brands are bulllshit marketing hype. Jym is a good brand and Nutrabio is a 21 year old brand that started the non proprietary full disclosure concept back in 2001. Brands that are doing it the right way should work with each other, but it seems that jim feels threatened by glazier and constantly attacks him and the nutrabio brand. Glazier just answered jims attack with truth. Jim still claims that nutrabio is a proprietary blend even though all their label list the dose of every ingredient including the inactive ingredients like flavor and sweetener. I just don't get jim, doing this puts his own credibility on the line.
Bob, Nutrabio's muscle matrix and Pro Jym proteins are actually very similar in blend design, Nutrabio is 54% whey isolate and 45% micellar casein, Jym claims that his is 50% micellar casein and 40% whey, so the only difference is Jim adds a few grams of egg. The heads up comparison that glazier does is a fair comparison. If nothing else it proves that Jim's claim that Glazier's label doesn't add up is nonsense. If Stopanni had any integrity he would either admit he made a mistake or just forget about it and move on but he continues to add fire with these videos. I have tasted both and they both taste very good. They are both blended proteins with similar protein profiles. NutraBio is is 16% higher in protein value so it gives the same high quality protein sources as Jym, just with a much cleaner profile so the consumers get more servings in the same tub.
Why are you yelling like a maniac in your video?