I'm also an Apple watch user and I just got my first ever Garmin! I'd have loved the EPIX but I have a really small wrist, so I opted for Garmin Fenix 6s instead. I totally agree with all the points you mentioned in the video! And Garmin did win me over despite a high price tag. This is how I justify Garmin's higher price tag: 1. if you're looking for a more durable casing for the watch, AW and Garmin are actually priced around the same. The stainless steel version of Apple Watch is almost $800 and you don't get any additional features besides the different casing material. 2. AW is really lacking in its fitness and health features. In order to accommodate the lacking, you may need to install 3rd party apps and most of them do ask for a subscription fee each month. Let's say you pay ~$20 on all the 3rd party subscriptions, that's $240 additional a year. So even though the base model AW appears to be cheaper up front, if you calculate all the subscriptions you pay in order to make AW more usable for fitness and outdoors, it's not really cheaper than the Garmin. With the Garmin, you don't need to install any other apps.
@@JBOutside1 Yeah if they ever fix those deficiencies I'd go back and give the AW another try. But so far, I'm been waiting for them to update their fitness app for a few years now, and they've only upgraded AW's other functions but not in the fitness area.... so I don't know. But tbh, I think the direction that Apple's taking the AW is different from that of Garmin. Garmin is like 80% fitness and 20% others functions, while AW is 20% fitness and 80 others.
@@kodzuken1016 agree totally. And I think your % is being generous. Iâm holding out SOME hope for a âruggedâ or âadventureâ AW but Iâm not holding my breath
Switched from Apple to Garmin about 4 years ago would never go back. Just got the Fenix 7 solar last week itâs an amazing watch. Great review of the watches đ
Iâm an Apple Watch guy and picked up my Fenix 7 sapphire solar last night. I bought it in Thailand, and they donât have a return policy here. But, if I didnât, I would return it today. This thing has quite a learning curve. I can barely see the screen. Itâs super slow to put on apps. Please tell me Iâm going to love this thing later.
@@JBOutside1 I'm going back for sure. I have my Apple Series 6 on right now and I'm really regretting dropping $1K on the Garmin. But I learned my lesson. At this point in the cycle, I'll wait for the Apple Watch 2. I wish I could wear the Garmin on my bicep as a sensor though. I like the body battery, that's the whole reason I bought it. But I tried to use GPS and it sounded like an atari game. Feels like ancient, outdated tech.
@@JBOutside1 I think the Ultra 2 is coming out soon. I'll see you at the Apple store.:) But also, while I have this opportunity to say it, your videos are fantastic. It's great to hear your common sense and deep knowledge. Your work is appreciated.
Have had Fenix watches since the the original, and now I have the Epix Gen2 which essentially is a Fenix but with AMOLED. The BEST thing Garmin did was AMOLED, AND I bet Garmin brings out a 51mm Solar AMOLED in the months to come. I am super happy with the 47mm size of the Epix and I use it via buttons instead of touch simply due to muscle memory after so many Garmin's. Good vid mate, looks like a beautiful place you're in too.
Very nice! Love the Epix too. Not sure about the solar, since I'm not sure the tech will do much for the bright display. As for more sizes, only the sales numbers would prevent that! But I totally agree that AMOLED is very awesome! Cheers!
I had an apple watch series 1 back in 2016 and then I upgraded to a Fenix 5x and I absolutely fell in love with it. I just upgraded to a Fenix 7x Sapphire Solar and I can't wait for it to come.
Great video JB, and respect the conclusion you came to! I ultimately ended up returning my Epix because I couldnât escape the hold the Apple Watch had on my daily life for daily use. There are times I miss the Epix though. If not for the drastic price (compared to my AW7 aluminum 45mm) I think I wouldâve kept it. Not ruling out a repurchase of the Epix in the future, but I think Iâll wait and see how I feel and revisit in a few months. My AW7 does the trick for me and Iâm in an urban landscape in CA without nearby trails, so for this the AW handles just fine. I think the best way to determine how/if you can live without the Apple Watch is definitely to sell it. I say you continue this video blog with this topic! Chronicle your life after your Apple Watch and how you cope with just having the Epix đ it might make for an interesting video!
Hmmm, interesting idea. I had already planned on an Epix-focused video after a few weeks so maybe thatâs an angle Iâll use. Now will I really sell it???? Time will tell
Thanks for the review. I recently came back to Garmin (6X Sapphire) after a few years with Apple. Big thing for me was having Dexcom (continuous glucose monitoring) available on them finally. I definitely donât miss constant notifications (I know I could have, and should have turned many off) and daily charging!
@@JBOutside1 yeah, they now have âcomplicationsâ that show the readings. It just broadcasts over Bluetooth to the device. Back when I got my Apple Watch though, they were the only game in town offering that ability. Nice to be able to check with a glance for sure.
I had used 2 Garmin watches since last 6 years. Loved the activity features. But smart watch and day to day usage wise there was a lot to desire. This year i switched to AW7 LTE, and for the type of activity am involved in (running and cycling for 1-2 hours max), I managed to get 2 days of battery life. And instead of apple activity app, am using WorkOutDoors app, and it opens up highly customisable data screens for my activities, much more than what Garmin had. And itâs flawless integration to apple ecosystem and Cellular capabilities is fantastic. So, for my type of lifestyle am happy switching to AW7.
@@JBOutside1 this is actually a question I specifically came to ask. Had you ever tried WorkOutDoors app on the Apple Watch? Itâs a game changer that can bridge the gap (sort of) in terms of fitness data. Canât improve the battery situation, though.
@@ZeRo-22- I have the app but havenât fully explored it. From my initial look I think youâre both right that this is a good compromise but it doesnât excuse Apple from doing such a poor job of having a more useful native app.
I have had 2 Garmin Fenix watches now, both in sapphire screen editions and have loved them. The 2 main deal breakers for the Apple Watch for me are durability and battery. I cracked a screen within 2 months on my Apple Watch, not from dropping it, just regular use stuff. And I have never even left a scuff on my Fenix, it's bullet proof. I also use my watch for an alarm to not wake up my wife, the battery on the Apple Watch is so terrible you can't do that. I always had "charge anxiety" with it, which made its cool features useless for me. Not sure I'll upgrade to a 7, since I have a 6X sapphire, but Garmin wins for me hands down.
Epix battery is amazing. I just charged mine...not because I needed to (@48%)...but because, after a week or so, I felt like I should. đ Great content and video editing btw :)
Same conclusions I had ! There are some things that certainly annoy me about the Epix but its health tracking is so much better than the Apple Watch but I canât go back to my AW7
The pros of the AW and cons of the Epix2 are actually not pros for me or cons. I enjoy the idea that I'm only carrying one cell signal device as well as microphone, just in the name of security. I can put my iphone in a faraday bag but wouldn't do it to an AW and therefor feel more connected to "the grid" with one. The Epix2 is perfect. Also, I wanted the Fenix 7 until I found out the solar power only extends the battery and also means they couldn't use true sapphire glass. Its no problem when going backpacking to carry a usb power device and a portable folding solar panel to keep it charged once a week or so! Great comparison man.
Just got my Epix coming from a F6 Pro + Sapp. I agree, SO worth the money for that amoled display. I tried the Venu 2 but too small for my wrist. Great to have the same features as the standard F7 with the brightness and clarity of the Epix.
Great review, I agree with pretty much everything you said. I'm back and forth between iOS and Android, currently with an AW7 and a Fenix 5 but tried out the Epix for a couple weeks, loved it but the price for the base model is just so nasty (almost $1300 Canadian up here) that I sent it back. Tempted to try again tho since the Fenix 5 series lacks quite a few or the more recent features. AW7 really is great for ecosystem-centric features and works in a pinch for moderate fitness use especially with Workoutdoors installed, but the Epix really is a fitness beast. My logic was that the Epix price simply wasn't justified when it costs more than an AW7 AND a Fenix 6 Pro combined!
Considering that "value" goes to zero in 2-3 years due to speed of technology progress... I bought "Forerunner" twice (latest one was Forerunner 230 from 2017); last year I bought Apple Watch; and now I am thinking about Garmin again... because during a day I do 16 small exercises (such as single-arm 8kg kettlebell swings, 16x32x2x8kg = [almost] 1000 swings of 8kg) - but it will be hard to do other kettlebell exercises with watch on your arm anyway. And also because I want something with great maps on it (I can separately buy fishing maps...) - but perhaps I can do it with Apple Watch too... LTE is huge issue: I use my Apple Watch with TELUS (Canada), I can answer calls during run. That is super huge win. But just for fitness monitoring... if you have heart issue you will feel it without monitor. If you overtrained for instance. Maps, I need good maps... but maybe I should buy handheld Garmin instead.
I basically went through the same process, deciding between the Apple Watch (which I've been using for quite a few years now) and the Sapphire Epix. The Epix has won me over too and it has become my primary watch. I do sometimes miss the voice dictation for text replies, but that usually didn't work half of the time on the Apple Watch anyway, so it's not that big of a deal to just get out of my phone (at least the notifications are spot on). I really like all the fitness, sleep, and activity features of the Epix, and the screen is amazing.
Thanks Travis. Yeah, this whole decision was reinforced today when I said, "hey, let's wear the AW today" and then discovered I hadn't charged it from yesterday's small test outing...20% batter remaining. BOO!! Garmin battery for the win!
@@JBOutside1 Absolutely. Battery life was also a key issue for me especially since I wanted to do sleep tracking. And Iâve done some long activities last year where the Apple Watch did not last the day.
I have the apple watch 7, and consider buying the Fenix 7x too. But I don't want to ditch the apple watch. I was wandering if having those two watches can work
@@giannis6552 Absolutely. I'm currently around 90/10, where I'm using the Garmin around 90% of the time. There's some things the AW just does better and I need what it does best - notifications and communications. For anything outdoors or fitness-related though it's the EPIX.
@@giannis6552 For me, it doesn't make sense to use both watches. After two months I wear the Epix 2 and occasionally the Phoenix 6X Pro while charging the Epix. I don't use the Apple Watch anymore. Garmin needs to have a single main device, it doesn't work seamlessly like Apple Watch using multiple devices.
Hey, big shoutout for actually talking with your commenters! And a quick question, how well does the garmin display seconds? On day two of my AW trial and hate how quick it stops displaying seconds
Fantastic video! Iâve been looking at the Epix Vs the Apple Watch (Ultra) and this was the most informative video Iâve seen. Although Iâm really tempted to just rock an Apple Watch on one wrist and the Garmin on the other.
Hi!Thanks for your video!I also sold my ïŁż watch 7 and bought apex2!For runningâs!First one or two days after ïŁż was difficult.But finely I understood why epix the best watch on this day!Sorry for my English,Iâm just studying.
The fÄnix screen is a transflective LCD screen which has the property of reflecting light. Under sunlight the screen is very bright. More than OLED counterparts. And for the LTE I donât see so much the use. For the fÄnix market segment, people are more looking at satellite communication, inReach.
Great comparison review. I think for me the thing that sort of draws me to the Fenix 7x over the Epix is the little flashlight (both white and red light) that it has. I can see that coming in quite handy almost on a daily basis. Yes, the battery life too. Still a tough decision though because that AMOLED display is really nice on the Epix.
For me, the screen was the big deal...and it is very vibrant. Big fan of how it looks and provides a clear view of whatever you're doing. I was willing to take a hit on battery life. I think the light on the 7x is kinda gimmicky. Not sure I'd ever use it...but then again I said the same thing about the light mode on the iPhone...so who knows. I'd be interested to hear if you really do use it as often as you think. Thanks George!
I had the the Fenix 7 x and just sent it back and replaced it with the Epix. The screen is just not good enough. The flashlight is good but not worth the poor screen.
I really wish the Fenix 7 and the Epix 2 had that Fenix 7X flashlight. I got the arms of a skeleton and both the Fenix 7 and Epix 2 are too big for my wrist, so it'd be a really awkward experience with the 7X. I usually prefer the bigger of phones and laptops wherever I get a choice, so it's weird for me to say this.
@@gustavogo2915 I went with the Epix 2. I have a little buyers remorse after getting the Epix 2 over the Venu 2+, since most of the features I use of the Epix 2 are also on the Venu 2+ (I haven't made much use of the maps yet) and I could see myself using the voice commands of the Venu 2+ more on a day to day basis. However, knowing the Sapphire of the Epix 2 in nearly indestructible is a great comfort, since I still think I'd break the Gorilla Glass 3 of the Venu 2+. since that's old phone tech from the early 2010s.
going to start training for triathlons and hopefully an ironman in the near future, and will still be weightlifting. currently own a AW S6 but looks like im sold on an Epix now đ. the durability factor is massive for me the AWâs feel so delicate and mine has picked up a couple scratches when ive been so careful with it
Iâd agree that the Epix will be a great watch for your training. The new OS on the fall is picking up some really cool triathlon features though so keep an eye on that. DC Rainmakers video on Monday highlighted some features you might want to check out.
I am really amazed at the amount of people comparing Garmin to Apple. Sports watches shouldn't be compared to lifestyle devices. Apple watches should be compared to Samsung, Huawei and other gimmicky watches with "fitness" sensors, where you use them as a remote control for your phone and charge both at the same time every day.
What is the difference, âsportâ is is not lifestyleâ? then we need âhealth watchesâ category too. Ok, lifestyle watches lovers: what about watch showing amount of ⊠consumed, and so onâŠ
Got myself the non-saphire version of Epix (canât get the saphire right now here in the US) and I am pretty happy. Today I went on a run with the Apple Watch and Epix side by side and my Apple watch dyied after 1 1/4h (the battery is used a lot last year) which was my main reason to switch and the Epix is a great sports watch. I will keep the Apple Watch to have a way to call when I am out on a run.
Really? My AW4 has been working flawlessly for 3,5y ( I have a AW7 now) and was easily able to do my long runs, long rides and at least 2 full days of regular wearing up to the end. Sounds like there's something wrong?
LMAO Danny Ricardo let's go driving.... that as really funny. Congrats on choosing the Epix! Welcome to the party! I agree, when they come out with the Voice Assistant, 51mm it will be almost perfect!
JB, would love to get a video update of your time with the Epix! For me, I did two purchase and returns and went back to the AW both times. I just couldnât stomach the price tag. However, Iâve had the forerunner 955 for over a week now and have really been enjoying it. Loving the value, itâs basically Epix software in a cheaper package, albeit no AMOLED or sturdy form factor. Still, this might be the garmin that sticks! That is, until the fall. The new AW updates are right up my alley as a runner. Canât wait to see what apple has in store this fall!
I have an update planned as my "long term" review. It's been good for sure but I'm slipping back into AW and currently my % is probably close to 50/50. Fitness still can't be beat for the Epix and that screen...I don't think I could use anything besides AMOLED.
@@JBOutside1 Iâm realistic, too. I could see myself easily slipping back to Apple Watch when the Garmin isnât as new and shiny anymore. The benefit of the 955 is it doesnât hit the wallet as much, so I can stomach it sitting on the dresser if I ever go back to the AW full-time. Also, if the rumored âExplorerâ AW does come, the 955 can easily be sold on eBay for a recoup of funds
@@ZeRo-22- Yeah, that's a good plan. The groundwork is definitely there. The WatchOS features look awesome for running. Taking it to a new level for sure. If they have a better battery then we're in business!
I am facing this exact debate as Iâm rocking a well used and abused AW3 since its release. Youâve really helped me in weighing out the differences for my new purchase. Hey, btw, what strap do you have for your AW in the video (@~6:50)?
@@JBOutside1 youâre the best! Iâve been on a quest to find a comfortable strap with ends that fit flush and secure with the case. Thank you so much đđ»
So basically it's about battery life. And wanting to find and purchase the right 3rd party apps. If you already have strava you have the maps. If you have komoot you have even more maps. If you have a stryd you have more running data than a garmin, but it also works on a garmin. If you buy an app like strong you have a full gym workout on your wrist. Eveything is neatly integrated in apple health, but not all does come prepackaged with the watch. For garmin this is the case. Basically both do more or less the same, at least, you can make your AW do the same, but the AW is empty more early. BTW: I workout 1-2 hours a day and I get about 48 hours of regular use out of the AW... and actually I have never ran out, also not when hiking the alps for a full day, or even days (because I have this cool solar panel that I wear on my backpakc & use to charge my phone & watch at night). If you really want multiple days of gps activities, like ultratrails, or longer hikes without charging then Garmin wins. If you are able to charge at least every other day the AW will do fine as well. In the end both will suffice for >95% of people and it comes down to preference. In the end I use the wallet, 2 factor authentication a lot as well. So for me the AW wins. I however totally understand the people that prefer the Garmin watches.
I can't fathom 48 hrs. You must live in another dimension. With a workout my Series 7 will just barely last the day (16-18 hrs). And I DO love the AW, just not the battery and fitness features...Thanks for the comments!
Seriously, I get to 48 without big issues. On my old aw4 and my current 7. Maybe because we donât get the lte version here? I suppose with mist apps the iPhone does most work and a newer iPhone has a bt low energy connection? In any way: I expected less battery when I bought my first aw, but it was stable for 3 years. New one is fine and would last longer turning off the always on screen.
I use Apple Watch as a cell phone, and for runs. It doesnât show altitude and atmospheric pressure and battery life is short, and it doesnât have camera ;) but it has Siri!
This is a good question. I use walking on the road and hiking on a trail. Not sure it really makes a difference though. You can customize the fields that each one shows for the activity. Sometimes I actually using running because it shows pace and I've been too lazy to change the walking and hiking to pace. They show MPH by default.
Great questions. I use the Apple Ultra daily and it's what I use most these days. I still have the Epix and use that for outdoor adventures lasting overnight or into the mountains. The trail navigation and tracking is just better on Garmin and the battery lasts longer. I did not upgrade to the Pro as most of the features were software.
Ahh! I forgot to list those in the description. I updated it with links to two styles I'm using now. Any of the 22mm size bands or any that say for "Fenix 6" will work.
@@JBOutside1 thanks! I've had mixed experiences with third party bands so recently got the bright yellow rubber band from Garmin. Expensive but love the quality
@@bvrbvs Both of the ones I listed have been pretty nice and the variety of colors and textures are cool. Definitely give the watch a different look. I haven't had any issues with the attachment points so for $13 its a big win because it allows a variety of options.
Brilliant, video, like you Iâm embedded in the Apple ecosystem but wanted something that gives me more detail in relation to training data so Iâve been waiting a few weeks for this review, but⊠in the meantime, I bought a FENIX 6 PRO SOLAR as I managed to find one for ÂŁ400 which was a massive reduction vs the EPIX 2 (half the price) - I was going to get the EPIX 2 but this deal was too good to miss. Itâs my first venture into the Garmin world and Iâm so so pleased - I mayâŠ.sell this and buy an Epix 2 as there are a few additional features I do like, but I couldnât justify the extra ÂŁ400 at the time so I may wait for a price drop - interestingly, just like you, Iâm not missing the notifications, and also, some of the things I âthoughtâ I needed on the AW, Iâm not actually missing, in fact, the only significant one is actually Apple Pay, because Garmin pay isnât very good!
Very nice. Yes the price point had me really thinking about this one and would have been probably the deciding factor had I returned it. But I'm happy with the purchase ultimately. The Fenix 6 is a great watch still and at reduced prices it'll be a keeper for a long time. I actually don't use Apple Pay all that much and when I do I use my phone (I honestly forget it's on the watch!). Thanks for watching and waiting for the final video. Cheers!
Great video, much appreciated I just subscribed. . I am immersed in the Apple environment but love the features of the Garmin Epix. Things like the Body battery, stress etc seem excellent. I really think I will move to Garmin , I see you are now using yours 80/20 . Doesnt that affect the stats and overall usefulness of the Garmin if you arent wearing it full time ?
This is true. The body battery and some of the effects arenât as accurate but right now Iâm not truly training for anything. If that changes Iâm sure the ratio will change. I mostly rely on it for the battery life and data recording during activities. One problem is I canât seam to sleep well with such a large device
@@JBOutside1 thanks for the info. Makes sense. Interesting regarding sleeping, I canât sleep with my AW so that will be an issue for me even though I would really like the data.
It is totally diff market. But I get it, someones want to mix it. First thing I really loved when I moved from AW to garmin -> I was much more productive. I inmediatelly disabled all notifications. I dont need to know about every single new email, message, apps notifications. So I prefer the simplicity of using Garmin - cant do so much things, but for what is made, can do amazing.
Great overview! The Epix is indeed a fantastic looking device. I am seriously so shocked that they didn't include at the very least the voice capability / phone integration with the Epix line this year. Fine to leave it off for the Fenix if that's what they choose to give it the ultimate waterproofing, but the Epix with it's "smartwatch" like AMOLED screen etc should have brought over the voice integration like the Venu 2 Plus has.
I just hope we're not going down a path where I've got a cellphone on my wrist. Love the Fenix as it is. They start adding 5G, voice and other options and I'm out. It's a bit much.
I tried the EPIX black titanium. It wasnât my style and now I have the 7x black titanium solar. I like the Apple Watch tried it back in the day gave it to my wife and now sheâs hooked on them. I just love the look of the big watches.
Literally doing the same thing! Iâve fallen in love with my EPIXâŠ. Donât think I can go back to my AW S7. BTW - what watch band and colour are you using?
I just canât decide. Have AW7 and just love the look of Garmin and all features embedded. Apple are so great at tying us in. I donât want to spend all this money and regret it but Garmin currently winning the debate..
Break out of the apple universe, there are an infinite number of choices and customizations for garmin watches as well as other manufacturers that use Android as an operating system
To summariz the comparison, AW for guys who love to hangout to the malls and coffee shops while garmin watches for adventures and prolong outdoor activities.
The band in the video is linked in the description. It's the first band link there and in "grey". No regrets switching as I've completely transitioned in the notifications department. I don't use the Apple Health app that often but I just checked and my Garmin data was all there so it appears to be seamless.
Respect for ditching the AW :-). Nice video. I have been long term Garmin user (Forerunner 305, Forerunner 910, Fenix 3, Fenix 5, Fenix 6x, Fenix 6 Titanium and now Epix 2), but I have always been tempted to switch to AW... and I have tried several times - AW6 and AW7 even twice!... but always returned to Garmin. Now Epix2 finally brings peace to my mind (I know, I am indeed a bit ashamed - first world problems, when people are dying when fighting Hitler version 2.0 just 300 miles away from my home ). It's just incomprehensible why Apple don't do better with their native apps when AW has basically all the hardware capabilities in health and sport tracking area... not mentioning the poor battery life. Epix just shows that is is possible to have a great battery life even with vibrant amoled display!
I think the EPIX is the most important watch of 2022 for just that reason...it shows what's possible in this small size. My hope is Apple is taking note and will invest in a comparable product. Thanks for watching and sending a comment!
@@arkhurdler7308 yeah, completely unbearable... I was thinking about jumping off a skyscraper just because the timing of my iPhone notifications was not 100% under my control :-)
@@TomislavLifelovero Haha, I think I'll suck it up and buy a Samsung S21 FE (for fun and put the 13 in the cupboard) to use for the next 9 months and wait see if things improve re apple giving access to Garmin for messages or until Garmin add LTE to their Fenix/Epix line.
The Epix is an adventure watch first, which is why it doesn't have voice control. The Epix has double the diving pressure rating of the Venu2+, 100 ATM vs 50 ATM. The reason another reviewer said was that a mic can't stand the pressure of 100 ATM. So I can't really fault the Epix for not having voice control because of diving capabilities, it's an adventure watch first.
The one thing that's keeping me from pulling the trigger on the Epix is the lack of good contactless payments. Here in the UK there's aonly about half a dozen banks that support Garmin pay and none of them are the banks I use. If I can convince myself I can live without that I'll be very tempted to switch......
@@JBOutside1 yeah the built in Apple Pay is actually really good on the AW. All the debit and credit cards I have work on it and even the one store card I have. But most of that can be done using my phone anyway, so not a massive loss
Hey JB, just checking in. Still rocking the AW7 but found an outlet that has the Epix for sale. Was thinking about giving it another try, not fully convinced yet, so wanted to see what your thoughts were now since the release of this video. Mainly: Have you shut off the AW7 for good? Or do you still occasionally come back to it? Is it more like a 50/50 split, or a 25/75 split in favor of the Epix? Thanks!
Hey!! Just wanted to see how is life so far with the epix2? Specially with an iPhone. I am thinking about getting the epix 2 as well, I have previously own Apple Watches but thinking about switching. Is it worth it?
Love it so far. Thereâs an adjustment but itâs not bad. Overall the Epix is far superior in my opinion except where I talk about it in the video. Still happy with my choice.
I was a hardcore Garmin fan especially while training for Ironman Triathlons. I decided to try the Apple watch series 7 when it came out. I've managed to make it tolerable for exercise, but like you've noted, it's FAR behind Garmin with exercise. I'll admit that the Epix2 is tempting, but I don't know if I could live without the AW support for 2 factor authentication or the wallet. Maybe when iOS 15.4 comes out (with true masked face support) I might rethink Garmin. If I decide to train for any serious races this year, I know I'll be returning to my Fenix6.
Absolutely, its a must for the serious athlete. The AW is certainly tolerable for casual use. And that's a great point about the masked access to the iPhone, I hadn't thought of that one. Thanks for watching!
Non watch related. Big Melin fan and have 4, which one is this? Looks all black with gray front. Thanks. Also, switching from Apple to Epix in a couple days
It doesn't predict weather trends based on the temperature sensor (which it does have). Because of the sensors proximity to your body though it doesn't provide accurate air temperature.
Yes, yes, yes...good question. I have been about 95% with the Apple Ultra since getting it. I still use the Epix for total off-road/trail use where I want to navigate. I also used it exclusively for about 45 days prior to climbing Mt Rainier. I wanted the training load tracked so I didn't overtrain at the end when I was really ramping up miles. I also had it on 24 hours a day to monitor sleep. So for the serious athlete with a specific training plan I still think the Epix or Fenix is the way to go.
One thing I use my AW for all the time is to ping my iPhone so when I misplace my phone around the house I can easily find it. Can I do that with the Fenix?
Great video but youâll be back to Apple within the year :) Iâve done this move many times and always come back as youâll realize Garmin essentially uses their customers as beta testers for their updates and products .. Garmin is the buggiest system Iâve ever used and Apple OS is bulletproof. Also, as a Dad , AW has ability to call emergency services within seconds from the wrist, all Garmin can do is alert your contacts which is useless.
Full disclosure I slip slowly into that camp weekly. I'm probably 50/50 now using both. It normally comes down to the mood of the day and sometimes - which is charged! The Dad aspect is definitely a plus!
@@kelsoncheng none.. but if itâs something you need to do as a dad then you want every single advantage available to get help ASAP. Obviously before AW one would have to find a phone. Did you have a point?
Can I ask, what are you going to do about the lack of messaging? What are you thinking long term about notifications in general, all on or all off when paired with an iPhone. I'm so on the fence here currently rocking an AW 7 SS LTE, though I want the training metrics the Garmin has all in one place. I'm kinda not liking the idea of not being able to take the watch out running or even the back yard without being able to communicate if I don't want to carry a phone. I've even considered the idea of switching to a Samsung S22+ just so I can keep in touch when I need to, but that brings headache of its own with photos. What are you thinking long term? Cheers and loved your point of view here.
This certainly is the biggest hurdle when it comes to the transition. The easy answer is: you do without. But in reality I still get notified in rich detail on the Epix and I don't feel like I'm that disconnected. I didn't input text not he AW (except via voice). The LTE is a feature I'd love to see in the next iteration of Fenix/Epix watches, but just for the connectivity. Thanks for watching!
Great video. Apple is trash on fitness side of things. You can download 3rd party apps for step-tacking, sleep, calorie. Almost all of them come as monthly subscription, so youâll always pay, even thought you spend around 500 euros for the Watch. I wished I waited. Getting the Apple Watch is one of my biggest regrets in terms of tech purchases.
How is it in sunlight? I have always found oled screens to be dim outdoors compared to transflective displays, like the on on the Fenix, which actually get brighter in the direct sun. But I have never tied the Epix.
Will you be testing the (rumoured at this point) Apple Watch Pro (the rugged one)? That would get interesting. For my lifestyle the battery life normally doesnât make a difference. Only a few times when I went away for a weekend or longer did I wish for longer battery life.
What are your Epix settings as it pertains to battery life (e.g. SpO2 on all day v. sleeping v. manual, brightness, notifications, GPS, etc.)? Have Epix, have basically stock settings but with SPo2 with sleep only, GPS multi-band on, but getting 5 days as opposed to 6 days of battery life.
I have SpO2 set to manual and GPS to ALL (not multi-band like I thought it was đ€ŠđŒââïž). That will probably make a difference. I'll have to re-test some of those routes with multi-band to see if it gets any better but using all the constellations was pretty darn good.
I have the spo2 set for night and activities and the AOD on with gestures and gps normal, my battery is maybe 4 days, if I turn AOD off it goes to 6 days. I might be the only one who thinks the screen isnât that nice. Iâd go for a fenix 6 or 7 and keep a Apple Watch SE for fun or apple fitness plus.
Thank you for a great video! I guess I have decided to sell my Apple Watch 6 LTE. I had a fenix 5 and I loved the navigation features! Now I just have to decide if I want a fenix 7, fenix 7x or the epix.
Yeah, they are ALL great watches and it really comes down to bright display or longer battery life. For me the battery life with the AMOLED display of the EPIX is the best combo.
@@JBOutside1 Yeah I am mostly leaning towards the EPIX or the fenix 7x. I really like the flashlight on the 7x. I bet it's something would use every day, but I'm worried that it will be to big. I guess I'll have to see them both in person before I decide.
@@AndreasBrekken Yeah, I wasn't really sure I'd routinely use the flashlight on the 7X. When I tested the Fenix 6X I was fine with the size. The Epix though doesn't feel all that different with it being smaller. I have the COROS VERTIX 2 currently and that's the same size roughly as the 7X so I can compare sizes directly. On my wrist either will work but I think I like the medium sized Epix.
I find myself using the âflashlightâ on my Epix more than I would have thought. Not as good as a phone, or the fenix, but better than nothing in the middle of the night.
@@benraphael510 Good to know. I haven't thought to use it just yet. I didn't think I would use the one on the Fenix 7X or at least it wasn't a feature I willing to go for.
Since the H10 uses both ANT and Bluetooth it will work with both watches. Since I haven't used this sensor I can't comment on which would be better though. Thanks for watching!
How long does it take to charge? When I had a Garmin Enduro 1 it lasted ages but when it came to charge it was so slow. It took hours. The Apple watch 1 day battery sucks but at least it charges super quick so I can just slap it on charge when I start my bedtime routine and then its ready to wear by the time I get in bed.
The EPIX is way easier to see and read in full sun. I normally have mine on the medium brightness setting and it's perfect. I had it on the full bright mode for one of my earlier videos and it was too bright for me.
Even with the price, lacks LTE and voice control, then I would still consider no LTE and voice control as a pro. Those are the main reasons why I plan to buy a Garmin Fenix 7X.
Hey Marco, youâll be first in the list when I finally sell. Right now my wife has decided to try it out. If she likes it though Iâll be buying her the smaller size AW so Iâll let you know.
I'm also an Apple watch user and I just got my first ever Garmin! I'd have loved the EPIX but I have a really small wrist, so I opted for Garmin Fenix 6s instead. I totally agree with all the points you mentioned in the video! And Garmin did win me over despite a high price tag. This is how I justify Garmin's higher price tag: 1. if you're looking for a more durable casing for the watch, AW and Garmin are actually priced around the same. The stainless steel version of Apple Watch is almost $800 and you don't get any additional features besides the different casing material. 2. AW is really lacking in its fitness and health features. In order to accommodate the lacking, you may need to install 3rd party apps and most of them do ask for a subscription fee each month. Let's say you pay ~$20 on all the 3rd party subscriptions, that's $240 additional a year. So even though the base model AW appears to be cheaper up front, if you calculate all the subscriptions you pay in order to make AW more usable for fitness and outdoors, it's not really cheaper than the Garmin. With the Garmin, you don't need to install any other apps.
Boom! Thanks Angela! Thatâs a great way to look at itâŠbut what if Apple fixes it all those deficiencies? đ€
@@JBOutside1 Yeah if they ever fix those deficiencies I'd go back and give the AW another try. But so far, I'm been waiting for them to update their fitness app for a few years now, and they've only upgraded AW's other functions but not in the fitness area.... so I don't know. But tbh, I think the direction that Apple's taking the AW is different from that of Garmin. Garmin is like 80% fitness and 20% others functions, while AW is 20% fitness and 80 others.
@@kodzuken1016 agree totally. And I think your % is being generous. Iâm holding out SOME hope for a âruggedâ or âadventureâ AW but Iâm not holding my breath
I have the LTE AW 7 so the Garmin kinda of misses out for me. I was a F6X user, but the HR sensor inaccuracy just did my head in.
woohoo! you did it, really fun watching you test out both watches and coming to a final decision. I am rocking the Epix as well and have no regrets
Thanks Daniel, it was fun to test it out but it was really close! Thanks for following along!
Switched from Apple to Garmin about 4 years ago would never go back. Just got the Fenix 7 solar last week itâs an amazing watch. Great review of the watches đ
Awesome! Thanks! The Fenix is a great watch!
Iâm an Apple Watch guy and picked up my Fenix 7 sapphire solar last night. I bought it in Thailand, and they donât have a return policy here. But, if I didnât, I would return it today. This thing has quite a learning curve. I can barely see the screen. Itâs super slow to put on apps. Please tell me Iâm going to love this thing later.
Sorry, I think you'll be back on the Apple soon. I went back to the Apple
@@JBOutside1 I'm going back for sure. I have my Apple Series 6 on right now and I'm really regretting dropping $1K on the Garmin. But I learned my lesson. At this point in the cycle, I'll wait for the Apple Watch 2. I wish I could wear the Garmin on my bicep as a sensor though. I like the body battery, that's the whole reason I bought it. But I tried to use GPS and it sounded like an atari game. Feels like ancient, outdated tech.
@@TheThaiLife I hear you. I immediately silenced all the sounds.
@@JBOutside1 I think the Ultra 2 is coming out soon. I'll see you at the Apple store.:) But also, while I have this opportunity to say it, your videos are fantastic. It's great to hear your common sense and deep knowledge. Your work is appreciated.
Have had Fenix watches since the the original, and now I have the Epix Gen2 which essentially is a Fenix but with AMOLED. The BEST thing Garmin did was AMOLED, AND I bet Garmin brings out a 51mm Solar AMOLED in the months to come. I am super happy with the 47mm size of the Epix and I use it via buttons instead of touch simply due to muscle memory after so many Garmin's. Good vid mate, looks like a beautiful place you're in too.
Very nice! Love the Epix too. Not sure about the solar, since I'm not sure the tech will do much for the bright display. As for more sizes, only the sales numbers would prevent that! But I totally agree that AMOLED is very awesome! Cheers!
I had an apple watch series 1 back in 2016 and then I upgraded to a Fenix 5x and I absolutely fell in love with it. I just upgraded to a Fenix 7x Sapphire Solar and I can't wait for it to come.
Good stuff. That Epix screen tho! đ
Great video JB, and respect the conclusion you came to! I ultimately ended up returning my Epix because I couldnât escape the hold the Apple Watch had on my daily life for daily use. There are times I miss the Epix though. If not for the drastic price (compared to my AW7 aluminum 45mm) I think I wouldâve kept it. Not ruling out a repurchase of the Epix in the future, but I think Iâll wait and see how I feel and revisit in a few months. My AW7 does the trick for me and Iâm in an urban landscape in CA without nearby trails, so for this the AW handles just fine.
I think the best way to determine how/if you can live without the Apple Watch is definitely to sell it. I say you continue this video blog with this topic! Chronicle your life after your Apple Watch and how you cope with just having the Epix đ it might make for an interesting video!
Hmmm, interesting idea. I had already planned on an Epix-focused video after a few weeks so maybe thatâs an angle Iâll use. Now will I really sell it???? Time will tell
Thanks for the review. I recently came back to Garmin (6X Sapphire) after a few years with Apple. Big thing for me was having Dexcom (continuous glucose monitoring) available on them finally. I definitely donât miss constant notifications (I know I could have, and should have turned many off) and daily charging!
Awesome. The Garmin does that?
@@JBOutside1 yeah, they now have âcomplicationsâ that show the readings. It just broadcasts over Bluetooth to the device. Back when I got my Apple Watch though, they were the only game in town offering that ability. Nice to be able to check with a glance for sure.
@@martinj001 very cool!
I had used 2 Garmin watches since last 6 years. Loved the activity features.
But smart watch and day to day usage wise there was a lot to desire.
This year i switched to AW7 LTE, and for the type of activity am involved in (running and cycling for 1-2 hours max), I managed to get 2 days of battery life.
And instead of apple activity app, am using WorkOutDoors app, and it opens up highly customisable data screens for my activities, much more than what Garmin had.
And itâs flawless integration to apple ecosystem and Cellular capabilities is fantastic.
So, for my type of lifestyle am happy switching to AW7.
Canât argue with you there. The AW7 with LTE is very nice and I still occasionally find myself using it.
@@JBOutside1 this is actually a question I specifically came to ask. Had you ever tried WorkOutDoors app on the Apple Watch? Itâs a game changer that can bridge the gap (sort of) in terms of fitness data. Canât improve the battery situation, though.
@@ZeRo-22- I have the app but havenât fully explored it. From my initial look I think youâre both right that this is a good compromise but it doesnât excuse Apple from doing such a poor job of having a more useful native app.
I have had 2 Garmin Fenix watches now, both in sapphire screen editions and have loved them. The 2 main deal breakers for the Apple Watch for me are durability and battery. I cracked a screen within 2 months on my Apple Watch, not from dropping it, just regular use stuff. And I have never even left a scuff on my Fenix, it's bullet proof. I also use my watch for an alarm to not wake up my wife, the battery on the Apple Watch is so terrible you can't do that. I always had "charge anxiety" with it, which made its cool features useless for me. Not sure I'll upgrade to a 7, since I have a 6X sapphire, but Garmin wins for me hands down.
Agree completely. I hadn't thought of it as "charge anxiety" but that's exactly it! đđ»
Agreed re durability on AW - unless you pay for the SS or Titanium versions.
Epix battery is amazing. I just charged mine...not because I needed to (@48%)...but because, after a week or so, I felt like I should. đ Great content and video editing btw :)
@@fendermon Haha, I just did the same thing!
@@JBOutside1 Yeah, our gadgets have us trained :)
Same conclusions I had ! There are some things that certainly annoy me about the Epix but its health tracking is so much better than the Apple Watch but I canât go back to my AW7
One would hope that Apple is taking note of how awesome the Garmin devices are. It's really a wide gap!
@@JBOutside1 agreed. Night and day data analysis. The target audience of Garmin watches is obvious and apple is going for MASS appeal
The pros of the AW and cons of the Epix2 are actually not pros for me or cons. I enjoy the idea that I'm only carrying one cell signal device as well as microphone, just in the name of security. I can put my iphone in a faraday bag but wouldn't do it to an AW and therefor feel more connected to "the grid" with one. The Epix2 is perfect. Also, I wanted the Fenix 7 until I found out the solar power only extends the battery and also means they couldn't use true sapphire glass. Its no problem when going backpacking to carry a usb power device and a portable folding solar panel to keep it charged once a week or so! Great comparison man.
Good points all around. Iâm still very happy with the Epix. Thanks for watching!
Just got my Epix coming from a F6 Pro + Sapp. I agree, SO worth the money for that amoled display. I tried the Venu 2 but too small for my wrist. Great to have the same features as the standard F7 with the brightness and clarity of the Epix.
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Great review, I agree with pretty much everything you said. I'm back and forth between iOS and Android, currently with an AW7 and a Fenix 5 but tried out the Epix for a couple weeks, loved it but the price for the base model is just so nasty (almost $1300 Canadian up here) that I sent it back. Tempted to try again tho since the Fenix 5 series lacks quite a few or the more recent features. AW7 really is great for ecosystem-centric features and works in a pinch for moderate fitness use especially with Workoutdoors installed, but the Epix really is a fitness beast. My logic was that the Epix price simply wasn't justified when it costs more than an AW7 AND a Fenix 6 Pro combined!
Yep, the price tag really is the worst feature. Totally agree.
Considering that "value" goes to zero in 2-3 years due to speed of technology progress... I bought "Forerunner" twice (latest one was Forerunner 230 from 2017); last year I bought Apple Watch; and now I am thinking about Garmin again... because during a day I do 16 small exercises (such as single-arm 8kg kettlebell swings, 16x32x2x8kg = [almost] 1000 swings of 8kg) - but it will be hard to do other kettlebell exercises with watch on your arm anyway.
And also because I want something with great maps on it (I can separately buy fishing maps...) - but perhaps I can do it with Apple Watch too...
LTE is huge issue: I use my Apple Watch with TELUS (Canada), I can answer calls during run. That is super huge win.
But just for fitness monitoring... if you have heart issue you will feel it without monitor. If you overtrained for instance.
Maps, I need good maps... but maybe I should buy handheld Garmin instead.
I basically went through the same process, deciding between the Apple Watch (which I've been using for quite a few years now) and the Sapphire Epix. The Epix has won me over too and it has become my primary watch. I do sometimes miss the voice dictation for text replies, but that usually didn't work half of the time on the Apple Watch anyway, so it's not that big of a deal to just get out of my phone (at least the notifications are spot on). I really like all the fitness, sleep, and activity features of the Epix, and the screen is amazing.
Thanks Travis. Yeah, this whole decision was reinforced today when I said, "hey, let's wear the AW today" and then discovered I hadn't charged it from yesterday's small test outing...20% batter remaining. BOO!! Garmin battery for the win!
@@JBOutside1 Absolutely. Battery life was also a key issue for me especially since I wanted to do sleep tracking. And Iâve done some long activities last year where the Apple Watch did not last the day.
great round up of comparisons. You know its a game changer when you choose to go for a new system. Thanks
Absolutely! Thanks Thomas
I am using Apple Watch Series 7 and Garmin FĂ©nix 6X Pro, when I sold AW6, I tried to stay with Garmin only but it was impossible, because AW are more comfortable for daily usage. Eg. cless payments or pushing my skin on the hand (I always had a circle). Two examples that made me to return to use both watches. AW7 daily (and nightly), Garmin for sport activity.
It's really difficult to cut ties with the AW for sure!! Wish me luck!
I have the apple watch 7, and consider buying the Fenix 7x too. But I don't want to ditch the apple watch. I was wandering if having those two watches can work
@@giannis6552 Absolutely. I'm currently around 90/10, where I'm using the Garmin around 90% of the time. There's some things the AW just does better and I need what it does best - notifications and communications. For anything outdoors or fitness-related though it's the EPIX.
@@giannis6552 For me, it doesn't make sense to use both watches. After two months I wear the Epix 2 and occasionally the Phoenix 6X Pro while charging the Epix. I don't use the Apple Watch anymore. Garmin needs to have a single main device, it doesn't work seamlessly like Apple Watch using multiple devices.
Great review- thank you so much. Iâm def considering switching from my AW6. Really appreciate your insights!
No problem Laura, thanks for watching!
This review is exactly what I was looking for. Great review as well. Thank you!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for the great structured review! I now know what to switch to from my AW.
Awesome! Glad it helped! đđ»
Hey, big shoutout for actually talking with your commenters!
And a quick question, how well does the garmin display seconds? On day two of my AW trial and hate how quick it stops displaying seconds
No problem! Itâs all part of it. The Garmin is about the same with seconds. Once it sleeps on your wrist the seconds disappear
Nice review JB! I am booting my Apple Watch 6 to go back to Garmin.
Your video has solidified that decision. I am digging the 7X for battery life.
Good choice! I agree, the battery will last a ton longer with the 7X. Glad the video helped!
Fantastic video! Iâve been looking at the Epix Vs the Apple Watch (Ultra) and this was the most informative video Iâve seen.
Although Iâm really tempted to just rock an Apple Watch on one wrist and the Garmin on the other.
Thatâs definitely the best way! đ
Hi!Thanks for your video!I also sold my ïŁż watch 7 and bought apex2!For runningâs!First one or two days after ïŁż was difficult.But finely I understood why epix the best watch on this day!Sorry for my English,Iâm just studying.
Thanks for sharing! I agree and your English is just fine!
The fÄnix screen is a transflective LCD screen which has the property of reflecting light. Under sunlight the screen is very bright. More than OLED counterparts. And for the LTE I donât see so much the use. For the fÄnix market segment, people are more looking at satellite communication, inReach.
Absolutely, good point with the Fenix screen. I also agree that inReach would be useful.
Thanks for the clarity
You're welcome
Great comparison review. I think for me the thing that sort of draws me to the Fenix 7x over the Epix is the little flashlight (both white and red light) that it has. I can see that coming in quite handy almost on a daily basis. Yes, the battery life too. Still a tough decision though because that AMOLED display is really nice on the Epix.
For me, the screen was the big deal...and it is very vibrant. Big fan of how it looks and provides a clear view of whatever you're doing. I was willing to take a hit on battery life. I think the light on the 7x is kinda gimmicky. Not sure I'd ever use it...but then again I said the same thing about the light mode on the iPhone...so who knows. I'd be interested to hear if you really do use it as often as you think. Thanks George!
I had the the Fenix 7 x and just sent it back and replaced it with the Epix. The screen is just not good enough. The flashlight is good but not worth the poor screen.
I really wish the Fenix 7 and the Epix 2 had that Fenix 7X flashlight. I got the arms of a skeleton and both the Fenix 7 and Epix 2 are too big for my wrist, so it'd be a really awkward experience with the 7X. I usually prefer the bigger of phones and laptops wherever I get a choice, so it's weird for me to say this.
@@eatatjoecs which did you get? I got the Epix 2 after returning the 7X (too big)
@@gustavogo2915 I went with the Epix 2. I have a little buyers remorse after getting the Epix 2 over the Venu 2+, since most of the features I use of the Epix 2 are also on the Venu 2+ (I haven't made much use of the maps yet) and I could see myself using the voice commands of the Venu 2+ more on a day to day basis. However, knowing the Sapphire of the Epix 2 in nearly indestructible is a great comfort, since I still think I'd break the Gorilla Glass 3 of the Venu 2+. since that's old phone tech from the early 2010s.
Just start with my 7x last week. Thanks for your sharing
Awesome Henry! Let me know what you think. Thanks for watching đđ»
going to start training for triathlons and hopefully an ironman in the near future, and will still be weightlifting. currently own a AW S6 but looks like im sold on an Epix now đ. the durability factor is massive for me the AWâs feel so delicate and mine has picked up a couple scratches when ive been so careful with it
Iâd agree that the Epix will be a great watch for your training. The new OS on the fall is picking up some really cool triathlon features though so keep an eye on that. DC Rainmakers video on Monday highlighted some features you might want to check out.
@@JBOutside1 thanks i appreciate that
Wow...wasn't expecting that result from you....awesome!
Haha, had to to keep you on your toes!
I am really amazed at the amount of people comparing Garmin to Apple. Sports watches shouldn't be compared to lifestyle devices. Apple watches should be compared to Samsung, Huawei and other gimmicky watches with "fitness" sensors, where you use them as a remote control for your phone and charge both at the same time every day.
But yet Garmin attempts to mimic smartwatch features so itâs a valid comparison. The line is blurring.
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Well said! Pointless comparison đ ! The apple watch is just a gimmick, the epix and Fenix are in a league of their own
What is the difference, âsportâ is is not lifestyleâ? then we need âhealth watchesâ category too. Ok, lifestyle watches lovers: what about watch showing amount of ⊠consumed, and so onâŠ
Got myself the non-saphire version of Epix (canât get the saphire right now here in the US) and I am pretty happy. Today I went on a run with the Apple Watch and Epix side by side and my Apple watch dyied after 1 1/4h (the battery is used a lot last year) which was my main reason to switch and the Epix is a great sports watch. I will keep the Apple Watch to have a way to call when I am out on a run.
Nice!
Really? My AW4 has been working flawlessly for 3,5y ( I have a AW7 now) and was easily able to do my long runs, long rides and at least 2 full days of regular wearing up to the end. Sounds like there's something wrong?
Great video! Iâm always rooting for Garmin to make great products. Iâm with you that the Epix will get the LTE and then itâs game over.
Letâs see what happens! Looking forward to an Apple update in September!
LMAO Danny Ricardo let's go driving.... that as really funny. Congrats on choosing the Epix! Welcome to the party! I agree, when they come out with the Voice Assistant, 51mm it will be almost perfect!
Haha! Glad someone caught the Easter egg. He really keeps bugging me about that. I suppose one of these days I'll have to take him up on the offer...
Thx JB ! You've made a great job ! đ
Glad you like it!
JB, would love to get a video update of your time with the Epix!
For me, I did two purchase and returns and went back to the AW both times. I just couldnât stomach the price tag. However, Iâve had the forerunner 955 for over a week now and have really been enjoying it. Loving the value, itâs basically Epix software in a cheaper package, albeit no AMOLED or sturdy form factor. Still, this might be the garmin that sticks! That is, until the fall. The new AW updates are right up my alley as a runner. Canât wait to see what apple has in store this fall!
I have an update planned as my "long term" review. It's been good for sure but I'm slipping back into AW and currently my % is probably close to 50/50. Fitness still can't be beat for the Epix and that screen...I don't think I could use anything besides AMOLED.
@@JBOutside1 Iâm realistic, too. I could see myself easily slipping back to Apple Watch when the Garmin isnât as new and shiny anymore. The benefit of the 955 is it doesnât hit the wallet as much, so I can stomach it sitting on the dresser if I ever go back to the AW full-time. Also, if the rumored âExplorerâ AW does come, the 955 can easily be sold on eBay for a recoup of funds
@@ZeRo-22- Yeah, that's a good plan. The groundwork is definitely there. The WatchOS features look awesome for running. Taking it to a new level for sure. If they have a better battery then we're in business!
I am facing this exact debate as Iâm rocking a well used and abused AW3 since its release. Youâve really helped me in weighing out the differences for my new purchase. Hey, btw, what strap do you have for your AW in the video (@~6:50)?
Itâs from Nomad. Love their bands.
@@JBOutside1 youâre the best! Iâve been on a quest to find a comfortable strap with ends that fit flush and secure with the case. Thank you so much đđ»
So basically it's about battery life. And wanting to find and purchase the right 3rd party apps. If you already have strava you have the maps. If you have komoot you have even more maps. If you have a stryd you have more running data than a garmin, but it also works on a garmin. If you buy an app like strong you have a full gym workout on your wrist. Eveything is neatly integrated in apple health, but not all does come prepackaged with the watch. For garmin this is the case.
Basically both do more or less the same, at least, you can make your AW do the same, but the AW is empty more early. BTW: I workout 1-2 hours a day and I get about 48 hours of regular use out of the AW... and actually I have never ran out, also not when hiking the alps for a full day, or even days (because I have this cool solar panel that I wear on my backpakc & use to charge my phone & watch at night).
If you really want multiple days of gps activities, like ultratrails, or longer hikes without charging then Garmin wins. If you are able to charge at least every other day the AW will do fine as well. In the end both will suffice for >95% of people and it comes down to preference.
In the end I use the wallet, 2 factor authentication a lot as well. So for me the AW wins. I however totally understand the people that prefer the Garmin watches.
I can't fathom 48 hrs. You must live in another dimension. With a workout my Series 7 will just barely last the day (16-18 hrs). And I DO love the AW, just not the battery and fitness features...Thanks for the comments!
Seriously, I get to 48 without big issues. On my old aw4 and my current 7. Maybe because we donât get the lte version here? I suppose with mist apps the iPhone does most work and a newer iPhone has a bt low energy connection? In any way: I expected less battery when I bought my first aw, but it was stable for 3 years. New one is fine and would last longer turning off the always on screen.
I use Apple Watch as a cell phone, and for runs. It doesnât show altitude and atmospheric pressure and battery life is short, and it doesnât have camera ;) but it has Siri!
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Great video! Convinced me to purchase one! When rucking which activity setting do you use, walking or hiking?
This is a good question. I use walking on the road and hiking on a trail. Not sure it really makes a difference though. You can customize the fields that each one shows for the activity. Sometimes I actually using running because it shows pace and I've been too lazy to change the walking and hiking to pace. They show MPH by default.
Can you update if you are back to apple or still garmin? Did you upgrade to the Garmin epic pro 2?
Great questions. I use the Apple Ultra daily and it's what I use most these days. I still have the Epix and use that for outdoor adventures lasting overnight or into the mountains. The trail navigation and tracking is just better on Garmin and the battery lasts longer. I did not upgrade to the Pro as most of the features were software.
Thx for review, any watch bands you recommend with Epix? I got some nylon ones from Amazon that I'm really enjoying
Ahh! I forgot to list those in the description. I updated it with links to two styles I'm using now. Any of the 22mm size bands or any that say for "Fenix 6" will work.
@@JBOutside1 thanks! I've had mixed experiences with third party bands so recently got the bright yellow rubber band from Garmin. Expensive but love the quality
@@bvrbvs Both of the ones I listed have been pretty nice and the variety of colors and textures are cool. Definitely give the watch a different look. I haven't had any issues with the attachment points so for $13 its a big win because it allows a variety of options.
Brilliant, video, like you Iâm embedded in the Apple ecosystem but wanted something that gives me more detail in relation to training data so Iâve been waiting a few weeks for this review, but⊠in the meantime, I bought a FENIX 6 PRO SOLAR as I managed to find one for ÂŁ400 which was a massive reduction vs the EPIX 2 (half the price) - I was going to get the EPIX 2 but this deal was too good to miss. Itâs my first venture into the Garmin world and Iâm so so pleased - I mayâŠ.sell this and buy an Epix 2 as there are a few additional features I do like, but I couldnât justify the extra ÂŁ400 at the time so I may wait for a price drop - interestingly, just like you, Iâm not missing the notifications, and also, some of the things I âthoughtâ I needed on the AW, Iâm not actually missing, in fact, the only significant one is actually Apple Pay, because Garmin pay isnât very good!
Very nice. Yes the price point had me really thinking about this one and would have been probably the deciding factor had I returned it. But I'm happy with the purchase ultimately. The Fenix 6 is a great watch still and at reduced prices it'll be a keeper for a long time. I actually don't use Apple Pay all that much and when I do I use my phone (I honestly forget it's on the watch!). Thanks for watching and waiting for the final video. Cheers!
Thanks for the update
No problem đ
Great comparison vid.
Got the Garmin Epix 2 Porsche Design. Itâs not perfect but I love the watch. My older Apple Watch doesnât hold a candle to it.
Nice!! The EPIX isâŠ.EPIC!!
Great video, much appreciated I just subscribed. . I am immersed in the Apple environment but love the features of the Garmin Epix. Things like the Body battery, stress etc seem excellent. I really think I will move to Garmin , I see you are now using yours 80/20 . Doesnt that affect the stats and overall usefulness of the Garmin if you arent wearing it full time ?
This is true. The body battery and some of the effects arenât as accurate but right now Iâm not truly training for anything. If that changes Iâm sure the ratio will change. I mostly rely on it for the battery life and data recording during activities. One problem is I canât seam to sleep well with such a large device
@@JBOutside1 thanks for the info. Makes sense. Interesting regarding sleeping, I canât sleep with my AW so that will be an issue for me even though I would really like the data.
@@davidbarnett7332 agree. Tough to sleep with either really. The only that didnât bother me sleeping was the Whoop
It is totally diff market. But I get it, someones want to mix it. First thing I really loved when I moved from AW to garmin -> I was much more productive. I inmediatelly disabled all notifications. I dont need to know about every single new email, message, apps notifications. So I prefer the simplicity of using Garmin - cant do so much things, but for what is made, can do amazing.
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Great overview! The Epix is indeed a fantastic looking device. I am seriously so shocked that they didn't include at the very least the voice capability / phone integration with the Epix line this year. Fine to leave it off for the Fenix if that's what they choose to give it the ultimate waterproofing, but the Epix with it's "smartwatch" like AMOLED screen etc should have brought over the voice integration like the Venu 2 Plus has.
Agree. Maybe the 3.0 will do just that.
I just hope we're not going down a path where I've got a cellphone on my wrist. Love the Fenix as it is. They start adding 5G, voice and other options and I'm out. It's a bit much.
I tried the EPIX black titanium. It wasnât my style and now I have the 7x black titanium solar. I like the Apple Watch tried it back in the day gave it to my wife and now sheâs hooked on them. I just love the look of the big watches.
Agree. I do like the bigger watch. I didnât find a noticeable size difference between the 6X and the Epix.
Literally doing the same thing! Iâve fallen in love with my EPIXâŠ. Donât think I can go back to my AW S7. BTW - what watch band and colour are you using?
Awesome! It's a great watch! The link to that band is in the description. It's the first link in the "grey" color.
I just canât decide. Have AW7 and just love the look of Garmin and all features embedded. Apple are so great at tying us in. I donât want to spend all this money and regret it but Garmin currently winning the debate..
Gotcha. Not an easy choice
Break out of the apple universe, there are an infinite number of choices and customizations for garmin watches as well as other manufacturers that use Android as an operating system
@@RP-ks6ly thanks. Went with Garmin and love it
To summariz the comparison, AW for guys who love to hangout to the malls and coffee shops while garmin watches for adventures and prolong outdoor activities.
Haha. The Garmin looks good at the mall too! đ
Great video! I was going through the same debate. What AW band is that in the video? Any regrets switching? Does Garmin sync well with Apple Health?
The band in the video is linked in the description. It's the first band link there and in "grey". No regrets switching as I've completely transitioned in the notifications department. I don't use the Apple Health app that often but I just checked and my Garmin data was all there so it appears to be seamless.
You helped me to decide on the Epix instead of the F7. Now if I can just find one in stock.
Worth the wait for sure!
Respect for ditching the AW :-). Nice video.
I have been long term Garmin user (Forerunner 305, Forerunner 910, Fenix 3, Fenix 5, Fenix 6x, Fenix 6 Titanium and now Epix 2), but I have always been tempted to switch to AW... and I have tried several times - AW6 and AW7 even twice!... but always returned to Garmin.
Now Epix2 finally brings peace to my mind (I know, I am indeed a bit ashamed - first world problems, when people are dying when fighting Hitler version 2.0 just 300 miles away from my home ). It's just incomprehensible why Apple don't do better with their native apps when AW has basically all the hardware capabilities in health and sport tracking area... not mentioning the poor battery life. Epix just shows that is is possible to have a great battery life even with vibrant amoled display!
I think the EPIX is the most important watch of 2022 for just that reason...it shows what's possible in this small size. My hope is Apple is taking note and will invest in a comparable product. Thanks for watching and sending a comment!
What about alerts and messages when paired with iphone, kind of a headache aye?
@@arkhurdler7308 Yeah, that is the biggest pain trying to manage what and when gets notified. What a complicated life we lead!
@@arkhurdler7308 yeah, completely unbearable... I was thinking about jumping off a skyscraper just because the timing of my iPhone notifications was not 100% under my control :-)
@@TomislavLifelovero Haha, I think I'll suck it up and buy a Samsung S21 FE (for fun and put the 13 in the cupboard) to use for the next 9 months and wait see if things improve re apple giving access to Garmin for messages or until Garmin add LTE to their Fenix/Epix line.
The Epix is an adventure watch first, which is why it doesn't have voice control. The Epix has double the diving pressure rating of the Venu2+, 100 ATM vs 50 ATM. The reason another reviewer said was that a mic can't stand the pressure of 100 ATM. So I can't really fault the Epix for not having voice control because of diving capabilities, it's an adventure watch first.
Totally agree!
@@JBOutside1 Really liked the review!
The one thing that's keeping me from pulling the trigger on the Epix is the lack of good contactless payments. Here in the UK there's aonly about half a dozen banks that support Garmin pay and none of them are the banks I use. If I can convince myself I can live without that I'll be very tempted to switch......
Even with my AW I don't seem to remember I have the ability to pay with my watch...
@@JBOutside1 yeah the built in Apple Pay is actually really good on the AW. All the debit and credit cards I have work on it and even the one store card I have. But most of that can be done using my phone anyway, so not a massive loss
Hey JB, just checking in. Still rocking the AW7 but found an outlet that has the Epix for sale. Was thinking about giving it another try, not fully convinced yet, so wanted to see what your thoughts were now since the release of this video. Mainly:
Have you shut off the AW7 for good? Or do you still occasionally come back to it? Is it more like a 50/50 split, or a 25/75 split in favor of the Epix? Thanks!
Hey Noah, still using the Epix daily. The AW sits on the charger. I did put it on a few days ago so Iâd say itâs 98/2 đ
Hey!! Just wanted to see how is life so far with the epix2? Specially with an iPhone. I am thinking about getting the epix 2 as well, I have previously own Apple Watches but thinking about switching. Is it worth it?
Love it so far. Thereâs an adjustment but itâs not bad. Overall the Epix is far superior in my opinion except where I talk about it in the video. Still happy with my choice.
@@JBOutside1 thatâs great to hear!!! Everyday more and more thinking about the epix! Lol.
I was a hardcore Garmin fan especially while training for Ironman Triathlons. I decided to try the Apple watch series 7 when it came out. I've managed to make it tolerable for exercise, but like you've noted, it's FAR behind Garmin with exercise. I'll admit that the Epix2 is tempting, but I don't know if I could live without the AW support for 2 factor authentication or the wallet. Maybe when iOS 15.4 comes out (with true masked face support) I might rethink Garmin. If I decide to train for any serious races this year, I know I'll be returning to my Fenix6.
Absolutely, its a must for the serious athlete. The AW is certainly tolerable for casual use. And that's a great point about the masked access to the iPhone, I hadn't thought of that one. Thanks for watching!
Great info, thanks! What camera did you use to shoot this video?
iPhone 13 Pro, Cinematic Mode đđ»đđ»
Great review, but dope hat! What kind of hat is that JB?!
This is from Melin. It was their Black Friday release, killer color.
@@JBOutside1 love it! Awesome content as always! You sold me on the Epix!
Like you, I love that my Apple Watch will buzz when Iâm using the maps on the phone. Does Garmin also do this?
It doesnât. Itâs pretty good with notifications but it doesnât alert you while navigating with the phone.
Non watch related. Big Melin fan and have 4, which one is this? Looks all black with gray front. Thanks.
Also, switching from Apple to Epix in a couple days
Good stuff, let me know how the switch works out. The hat is a "Black Friday" release from 2021.
Thank you for your insights
No problem! Thanks for watching
LTE is the break for me........I hate taking my phone with me, I don't. So I need that LTE option. Garmin is the better watch but no LTE.
Totally agree. I bet we get LTE next iteration.
Does Epix 2 provide outer temperature and hourly weather to predit while we do out door activities???
Thank you..
It doesn't predict weather trends based on the temperature sensor (which it does have). Because of the sensors proximity to your body though it doesn't provide accurate air temperature.
@@JBOutside1for this issue: garmin temp sensor
great comparison!
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Agradezco tu pronunciaciĂłn, asĂ pude oĂrte en el coche đ. Pregunta: que tal se comporta en MTB /Enduro?, saludos!
¥Una gran pregunta! Sin embargo, no he estado en la bicicleta de montaña con este reloj, asà que no puedo decirlo. ¥Gracias por ver!
So whatâs the verdict one year later now? Are you back to Apple Watch - now Ultra - or did you keep Epix or even upgraded to Epix Pro?
Yes, yes, yes...good question. I have been about 95% with the Apple Ultra since getting it. I still use the Epix for total off-road/trail use where I want to navigate. I also used it exclusively for about 45 days prior to climbing Mt Rainier. I wanted the training load tracked so I didn't overtrain at the end when I was really ramping up miles. I also had it on 24 hours a day to monitor sleep. So for the serious athlete with a specific training plan I still think the Epix or Fenix is the way to go.
11:24 Must've been fun driving with the avocado.
Haha, YES!!
woah HDR video! I have yet to watch one on CZcams!
Haha, howâs it look?
@@JBOutside1 bright AF! esp on Mac
One thing I use my AW for all the time is to ping my iPhone so when I misplace my phone around the house I can easily find it. Can I do that with the Fenix?
YOU CAN! I just tried it. Works well.
Great video but youâll be back to Apple within the year :) Iâve done this move many times and always come back as youâll realize Garmin essentially uses their customers as beta testers for their updates and products .. Garmin is the buggiest system Iâve ever used and Apple OS is bulletproof. Also, as a Dad , AW has ability to call emergency services within seconds from the wrist, all Garmin can do is alert your contacts which is useless.
Full disclosure I slip slowly into that camp weekly. I'm probably 50/50 now using both. It normally comes down to the mood of the day and sometimes - which is charged! The Dad aspect is definitely a plus!
@@JBOutside1 I appreciate the honesty! Being a Dad def changes how we view something as simple as a smart watch đ
@@JB-hq9yj definitely
Lol how many emergency services you call as a dad on a monthly basis? How did you manage to do that before AW exists?
@@kelsoncheng none.. but if itâs something you need to do as a dad then you want every single advantage available to get help ASAP. Obviously before AW one would have to find a phone. Did you have a point?
Can I ask, what are you going to do about the lack of messaging? What are you thinking long term about notifications in general, all on or all off when paired with an iPhone. I'm so on the fence here currently rocking an AW 7 SS LTE, though I want the training metrics the Garmin has all in one place. I'm kinda not liking the idea of not being able to take the watch out running or even the back yard without being able to communicate if I don't want to carry a phone. I've even considered the idea of switching to a Samsung S22+ just so I can keep in touch when I need to, but that brings headache of its own with photos. What are you thinking long term? Cheers and loved your point of view here.
This certainly is the biggest hurdle when it comes to the transition. The easy answer is: you do without. But in reality I still get notified in rich detail on the Epix and I don't feel like I'm that disconnected. I didn't input text not he AW (except via voice). The LTE is a feature I'd love to see in the next iteration of Fenix/Epix watches, but just for the connectivity. Thanks for watching!
Great video. Apple is trash on fitness side of things. You can download 3rd party apps for step-tacking, sleep, calorie. Almost all of them come as monthly subscription, so youâll always pay, even thought you spend around 500 euros for the Watch. I wished I waited. Getting the Apple Watch is one of my biggest regrets in terms of tech purchases.
I agree. Shouldnât have to pay for apps to do what the watch is designed to do.
apple ultra is out so looking fwd to your review :)
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Nice job training is fenix, vs apple. Battery is Fenix. Nice review.
Thanks William!
Nice cinematic mode đ, the outline is a bit weird, apple has to improve that!
Yeah itâs not perfect and I think if you dial back the aperture itâs a little better but still pretty cool.
@@JBOutside1 indeed, it still was a nice video btw!
How is it in sunlight? I have always found oled screens to be dim outdoors compared to transflective displays, like the on on the Fenix, which actually get brighter in the direct sun. But I have never tied the Epix.
I think itâs plenty bright in direct sun. Havenât had any issues.
Look forward to your views on the Apple Watch Ultra!
Thanks Jeff! Boiler UP! đ
Will you be testing the (rumoured at this point) Apple Watch Pro (the rugged one)? That would get interesting. For my lifestyle the battery life normally doesnât make a difference. Only a few times when I went away for a weekend or longer did I wish for longer battery life.
Absolutely!
Initial thoughts on comparing the added features of the new Ultra?
Editing a video now on my thoughts. Posting a little later today hopefully! đ
What are your Epix settings as it pertains to battery life (e.g. SpO2 on all day v. sleeping v. manual, brightness, notifications, GPS, etc.)? Have Epix, have basically stock settings but with SPo2 with sleep only, GPS multi-band on, but getting 5 days as opposed to 6 days of battery life.
I have SpO2 set to manual and GPS to ALL (not multi-band like I thought it was đ€ŠđŒââïž). That will probably make a difference. I'll have to re-test some of those routes with multi-band to see if it gets any better but using all the constellations was pretty darn good.
@@JBOutside1 awesome. Thank you! Also an Apple Watch guy here converted to Epix. Your videos are solid content. Keep it up!
DC Ray says Sp02 crushes the battery.
@@fendermon I would NEVER go against DC Rainmaker! He's the best. And that makes total sense.
I have the spo2 set for night and activities and the AOD on with gestures and gps normal, my battery is maybe 4 days, if I turn AOD off it goes to 6 days. I might be the only one who thinks the screen isnât that nice. Iâd go for a fenix 6 or 7 and keep a Apple Watch SE for fun or apple fitness plus.
Thank you for a great video! I guess I have decided to sell my Apple Watch 6 LTE. I had a fenix 5 and I loved the navigation features! Now I just have to decide if I want a fenix 7, fenix 7x or the epix.
Yeah, they are ALL great watches and it really comes down to bright display or longer battery life. For me the battery life with the AMOLED display of the EPIX is the best combo.
@@JBOutside1 Yeah I am mostly leaning towards the EPIX or the fenix 7x. I really like the flashlight on the 7x. I bet it's something would use every day, but I'm worried that it will be to big. I guess I'll have to see them both in person before I decide.
@@AndreasBrekken Yeah, I wasn't really sure I'd routinely use the flashlight on the 7X. When I tested the Fenix 6X I was fine with the size. The Epix though doesn't feel all that different with it being smaller. I have the COROS VERTIX 2 currently and that's the same size roughly as the 7X so I can compare sizes directly. On my wrist either will work but I think I like the medium sized Epix.
I find myself using the âflashlightâ on my Epix more than I would have thought. Not as good as a phone, or the fenix, but better than nothing in the middle of the night.
@@benraphael510 Good to know. I haven't thought to use it just yet. I didn't think I would use the one on the Fenix 7X or at least it wasn't a feature I willing to go for.
Hi! For someone with a polar H10 heart sensor, which is the best watch to pair it with for running/hiking/circuit training?
Since the H10 uses both ANT and Bluetooth it will work with both watches. Since I haven't used this sensor I can't comment on which would be better though. Thanks for watching!
@@JBOutside1 thanks for your response, keep up the excellent content
How long does it take to charge? When I had a Garmin Enduro 1 it lasted ages but when it came to charge it was so slow. It took hours. The Apple watch 1 day battery sucks but at least it charges super quick so I can just slap it on charge when I start my bedtime routine and then its ready to wear by the time I get in bed.
The Epix charges pretty quickly
Yep loving the garmin epix gen2
Nice!!
Wow. Good to hear as I am thinking about getting one. In bright daylight, do you find it easier or harder to see than the Fenix 6 that you had?
The EPIX is way easier to see and read in full sun. I normally have mine on the medium brightness setting and it's perfect. I had it on the full bright mode for one of my earlier videos and it was too bright for me.
@@JBOutside1 Good to know. Thanks!
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Indeed it is!
Looking for a watch simpler to Epix with Golf application like the approach series, do you any recommendations; thank you
Sorry Aiman I do not. Golf is not something I'm in to currently. Good luck with the search.
Even with the price, lacks LTE and voice control, then I would still consider no LTE and voice control as a pro. Those are the main reasons why I plan to buy a Garmin Fenix 7X.
I can see that for sure.
@@JBOutside1 there is a imposter of you here.
Thanks excellent video, could you please let me know if the epix supports whatsapp better than the apple watch.
Depends on what you mean by betterâŠit will notify like the other apps but you wonât be able to interact
@@JBOutside1 thanks
I will wait for the new model next year.
The sensors and everything are very dated. They are also available in venu 2 plus
Gotcha. Canât argue with that. Iâm hopeful the Epix gets some big upgrades
Look at the Amazfit t-Rex 2. You may find looking at.
Iâll take a look!
Great comparison! Iâd be interested in that Apple Watch series 7 youâre selling.
Hey Marco, youâll be first in the list when I finally sell. Right now my wife has decided to try it out. If she likes it though Iâll be buying her the smaller size AW so Iâll let you know.
My goodness, what camera do you use to record yourself here?
I used the iPhone Pro in Cinematic mode
Iâm with you too. Apple Watch being sold now along with my old Fenix but still wonât pay for the EPIX lol
Haha, so what will you do now??
@@JBOutside1 Iâve got the Epix just need to sell some more bits lol
@@Fozzee.1970 Gotcha, gotcha...it's a great watch...I'm a fan
I like apple because they have âstand aloneâ watches what about the Epix/fenx 7?
Iâd argue Garmin is more stand-alone and complete. The only advantage the AW has is LTE to communicate