Weird and Obsolete Pigments
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2024
- In this video I show you some more common non-lightfast pigments you should avoid, as well as a fun look at some weird pigments that aren't made anymore.
Historical Pigments section starts at: 12:28
Weird Pigments section starts at: 18:17
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Man this is one of the most interesting videos I've ever seen. Big thumbs up. Your channel is amazing.
Wow, thank you so much for the nice comment! I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
I mean your material for painting is synthetic or natural pigment (oil paint)
Most pigments today are "synthetic" in that they are made in chemical manufacturing facilities. Even earth colors are made this way as most of the original deposits of the natural stuff have been depleted. The linseed oil itself is natural as that comes from the seeds of the flax plant. Hope that answers your question! :)
This is top notch content in a peculiar corner of the Internet! Great stuff.
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Holy cow, so helpful! I never understood what a "lake" was, and you explained it so simply. This was a wonderful video, thanks so much for posting it! I love all these old paint stories (Indian Yellow :-O)
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I also thank you. There are so many videos, articles etc but you found a so comprehensive yet not simplistic way to explain. And fun also. i enjoyed this video so so so much. I thank you!
Your definition of "lake" just made my whole day. Thanks for clarifying a concept that previously eluded me.
Awesome! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching :)
Love your videos! I'm just moving from acrylics to oils, and you're making that transition so much easier.
Thank you Phil for the nice comment! I'm so glad my videos are useful to you. :) Congrats on switching to oils! I think you will really like them.
Truly fascinating! I loved watching this. Thanks to Walcott Fine Art i will always consider the long historical journey that each color has made before it goes in the tube.
I used to use Some of these pigments, Jason. Really good information, and your editing is top notch!
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Thanks Jason. I had no idea there were such toxic pigments. I learn so much watching your videos. You're an encyclopedia of art information, yet you present it in such an easy to understand way. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks James for the nice comments! I'm glad you enjoyed my video! :)
Beautiful, useful video and thank you for using a photo from our beautiful Phoenician and later Roman city of Tharros here in Sardinia at 23:58.
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This is one of the tops videos for artists information on CZcams, I'm so happy I found you, thank you so much ❤️
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This is a truly fascinating and well-produced video! Thank you for sharing it!
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This was an interesting video. You AMAZE me with your knowledge! Thank you so much.
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Great sense of humor to boot. Love it.
LOL Thanks for watching!
U had me hooked ......Very very good content....very educational and easy to follow and understand.....great work
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Fun video full of great information presented in a humorous and factual way. thank you
Man, this is a great and interesting video. You seem to link all sorts of small facts and anecdotes to your outline which demonstrates you have a very deep knowledge. I also love your choice of background music.
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this was so fascinating, i learned so much. i love painting with ur videos in the background
Thanks so much for the nice comment! I'm so glad you've enjoyed my videos :)
Fascinating and informative survey of the lesser and no longer used colors of old. :)
Thanks for such a great comment! I almost wish now I had called the video "Colors of Old". LOL Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Very informative indeed, I have never heard of any of this, thank you so much Jason.
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This is absolutely fascinating information! Thank you
I adore this. Thank you for recommending a replacement for each one.
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching :)
Really interesting. Especially the green segment. Thanks so much!
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Fascinating! Thank you for producing it.
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video :) Thanks for watching!
As always, brilliant, what would we do without you!
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EXCELLENT VIDEO - I COULD WATCH THIS ALL DAY! THANK YOU. WILL BINGE WATCH.
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I love this video. Very educational and Entertaining. Thank you Jason.
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What a great video, thanks! Your videos are great...I just subscribed! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and talent 😀
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Wow man. Lol wow. You are truly an artist, to the bone. This was fantastic
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You are so knowledgable and entertaining.
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Outstanding channel! Just discovered you, love your clarity and enthusiasm for your subjects. Very helpful material. I am an oil painter. Thanks!!
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Thank you for your detailed and amazing explanation
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Lovely presentation. Thank you.
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Thank you for all the wonderful information
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Very, very interesting (and informative). Thank you.
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Fascinating !!! Instructive and also useful to know.
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This was so good. Thank you for making it.
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What an entertaining and educational video. Loved it!
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As usual Jason, you are explaining what we would-be artists want to know. Thanks so much.
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omg this is so helpful! Wish I watched this before I did the shopping spree for oil paints!
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Great stuff, very interesting and informative.
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Thank you for the amazing story.
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Holy moly! I've subscribed and am going to watch a lot of videos!
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@@walcottfineart5088How nice to hear from you! Are there anything new in the pipeline?
I love your videos you really capture my mind and thoughts on using colours I fined you very helpful and encouraging.
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You always do a really good video ! This one is very interesting !!!
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Great video, thank you for posting!
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Yet again another fantastic video 😁
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excellent resource. thank you!
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OK, I have to say more. I'm crazy for the history of pigments. You presented this masterfully and it was entertaining. We do have growing evidence of the effects the more toxic elements messing with the lives and health of painters. I'm saving this video to watch and share with friends. thank you for doing this.
I'm really glad you found the video so entertaining! :) Thanks again for the great comments. Most modern pigments aren't really that toxic except for the few historical ones I mentioned like Vermilion and Orpiment. If you buy those, then you have to be very careful when you work with them.
Walcott Fine Art I was told that we didn't have to worry about the toxicity of something if we were very careful. but just because something is labeled nontoxic doesn't mean you can be careless. it's not so much as toxicity, as it is toxic dose.
You are exactly right! If you are careful then you will be fine. :) There are some pigments that are truly non-toxic, but I agree, it is always best to err on the side of caution!
I'm assuming the original pigments would be wanted by, purists, historians, archivists/restorers and the occasional high end forger. I'm glad the pigments are still around. be assured, I won't be using them. most of my stuff gets scanned into a computer. I don't worry about fugitive colors that way.
Some people love the idea of using the really old traditional materials. I do to a degree, but it depends on what it is...I like the traditional mediums, lead white and painting on lead oil primed canvas. I have no interest in using any of these pigments I showed in the video. Just like you, I am just fascinated by their history and how they morphed into what we have today. :)
What an absolutely incredibly interesting video thank you so much!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Thank you sir for this wonderful video! I learned a lot! :)
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Loved it. Very well done.
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Thank you for this video
It was interesting and verry useful
Best wishes
Thank you for telling us the history of some colors and the meaning of term”lake” . I have some Holbein watercolor tubes that named opera pink and scarlet lake, now I know I should avoid use them if I think about sell my paintings, thank you very much,big thumb up!
I'm so glad you found my video helpful! Thanks for watching and for the nice comment. :)
Fascinating. I love your videos!
I recently came into an old "japanned" tin box of "Murillo" brand watercolors in pans, most likely from the early late 1800s- early 1900s. It has a chrome yellow, which has turned a wonderful light yellow-green; OLD gamboge (a color I far prefer to New gamboge), Indian yellow (probably the one you're referring to ); a lovely deep rose red (with a tinge of blue) that is labeled Vermilion--I can't find an equivalent in any modern reds. I wonder if it was mislabeled; emerald green but I'm not sure if it's the toxic one you're talking about, as now it's a sickly pale greenish-gray and is the only one of the paints that is no longer usable.
I haven't been able to find out much about Murillo watercolors so I don't know if it's student or artists grade but it's quickly become my favorite set. I like the fact that the colors aren't candy-bright and superduper clean and clear like modern watercolors. Half the colors are likely fugitive, unstable and/or toxic but that only adds to the fun and mystique :-)
Thanks so much for the nice comment! That sounds like a fascinating set of colors. I might get rid of that green just in case it's the real Emerald Green. You don't want to mess with that stuff. But, I know what you mean about the mystique of old pigments. :)
Fascinating! I'd heard of mummy as a colour but didn't know its origins.
Very interesting, thank you!
Between you and Clive of Clive art and a young painter her Schroader,we learn so much about art and it is so interesting!
I'm so glad you enjoyed this video and found it interesting! Thanks for the nice comment! :)
I really like this video and have watched it several times. I'd like to find some of these in old tubes; I've seen pix of tubes of emerald green.
Thanks for the nice comment and for watching! You can find them on eBay. Also check out Ryan Demaree's channel. He has some interesting videos on old pigments. czcams.com/users/RyanDemaree
Fantastic work i enjoyed it fully !
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Best video I ever seen! Thank you!
Thanks so much for the compliment!! :) I'm glad you enjoyed the video and found it entertaining.
Congratulations on a video of rare quality. Earned an instant thumbs up and sub from me. Regarding cochineal; I believe that it travelled widely with the expanding British empire, back when they were Red Coats.
Thanks for watching and for the nice comment! Yes, those British red coats were no doubt dyed with cochineal! The Spanish had their monopoly on it for awhile, but it didn't last long of course. It was easy to smuggle the bugs back to Europe.
Very interesting. I am a hobby/miniature painter and a new popular high pigmentation matte acrylic brand (Kimera Kolor) is using py83 and pr170. Now I understand how they're priced so incredibly competitive!
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Thank you...love this video
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Very helpful and entertaining!
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++++ Thumbs up! Great video and thank you for sharing you'r knowledge. Thank you Jason.
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fantastic vid....very well researched.
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Thanks once again, very interesting!
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very interesting and informative!
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Fascinating! Thank you!
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There is a Van Gogh painting of sunflowers in one of the big London Museums. I saw it thirty years ago and the yellows had faded to an off white. The whole painting had kind of turned into a monochrome. It was sad to see. I always enjoy hearing Jason speak about colors. It's such a fascinating subject to learn about!
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Thank you Sir to make this video! it is really2 helpful! Pls pls make this kind of video in the future
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Amazing! This was so interesting
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This may be one of those 'duh dummy' type of questions, but why couldn't they just mix a blue and red paint to get purple back then?
Thanks for watching and great question! Back at the time of the Roman empire, there weren't as many colors as we have today. Firstly, blue would have been very rare and costly. If you used it at all it would be only to show off the blue, not for mixing. Plus the reds they had back then would have made a dull purple anyway because vermilion and red lead are orangey. It wouldn't have matched the rich saturated purple of the snail dye. :)
Imagine using your blue paint made from Lapis lazuli(back then it was more costly than gold per weight) just to mix up a secondary color.
great work.appreciated.thank you.
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Great job! This video is legit.
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This was extremely interesting and educational. Thank you for producing it. Could you perhaps do a segment on what you believe to be the most iconic and colorfast pigments to select for a basic primary color palette plus black and white?
Okay I found your other videos on the specific colors so I think I have what I need
Thanks for watching! :)
I read that the paint color, Asphaltum replaced the use of ground up mummies. I use it all the time and love it.
Yes! Well the original Asphaltum was basically the same bitumen that came from the mummies. It degrades quickly and isn't permanent. Any tubes of "Asphaltum" made today are hues made from permanent pigments.
I had no idea! That's fascinating.
Kremer Pigmente is a good place to buy historical pigments. There is also a nice documentory about the old pigment mill: Farbwelten-Kremer Arte
Thanks for the information and for watching!
A friend of mine paid $600 for just a little of that purple pigment from the snails. She used very very sparingly and it's absolutely luminous.
That's amazing! I'm glad we have other cheaper purple pigments available nowadays! LOL Thanks for watching :)
Wonderful video. Are you planing to do more on this subject or related? E.g. most lightfast pigments, recent pigment inventions and discoveries etc. Thank you so much for your videos.
Thanks for the nice comment and good ideas for more videos like this! :)
What composes modern emerald green pigment you can buy?
The history of pigments is very interesting and fascinating, even entertaining 🙂
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Great video thanks jason!
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yes definition so they are in being synthetic today. I can't remember where I read that, but I really liked your video. I got my degree in Art History, yet paint with oils today and have always been very interested in pigments.
Thanks for the nice comment! I have always been fascinated by the history of pigments too. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. :)
Thank you for making this fantastic video ! It cleared a lot of things up, but i am a bit confused because you said that PR 170 is not permanent enough for artist's use but Michael Harding has a red called Scarlet Lake which is PR 170 and it has Excellent lightfastness rating. Again, Great video and thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks so much for the compliments! A good deal of my pigment information comes from www.handprint.com which tests all the colors in watercolor, as well as The Color of Art Pigment Database. Oil paints do tend to be more durable, but lightfastness tests aren't always consistent. You can see more info here: www.artiscreation.com/red.html#PR170
Well enjoyed! Thank you :D
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This is such a cool video.
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Excellent simple explanations of something that I know I definitely struggled with as a young artist before CZcams lol. What's a lake and whys this one a hue and whys it cheaper and why are single pigment colors better in general and why does old holland have so many weird color names that no one else uses and etc. On and on so confusing and overwhelming as a beginner especially. Shame artist paints can't all just be standard across the board but then we wouldn't have any great names like Dragons Blood for example haha. Anyway awesome 👌 video again.
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This is top quality content!
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Fabulous! Thank you. ^^
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Great video, and please forgive me if I missed it, but what is the alternative for Aliz Crimson?
@Kyomi.....rembrants permenant madder deep.
its pretty much identical to aliz crimson and is very lightfast!
Great video! You've earned yourself a subscriber! I look forward to seeing more of your videos. :-)
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Thank you! I've added a bunch of your videos to my watch list, so I look forward to watching them later! I was really into art when I was younger, and was even taking university courses by the time I was a sophomore, because they didn't offer an advanced enough class at my school...unfortunately, my last year of high school, I had a really terrible art teacher. He was mean, and he stifled creativity...and because of him, I gave it all up. I haven't drawn or painted anything in years, but I bought some art supplies, so I thought I'd try again. I'm a little worried. I think I'll be distraught if I find that time has hurt whatever talent I used to have. Anyway, your channel inspires me to at least try painting and drawing again...and even if I don't get into art again, it's really interesting learning about the history of art! I had to keep pausing the video so I could zoom in on the paintings. XD
Thanks for such a nice comment! Don't let your old art teacher and his bogus teaching methods get to you. Have fun with your art and remember "talent" is largely a myth! Practice makes perfect. :)
Thanks, I'll try to remember that! :-)
Ah, theeere's my Carmine PR170 from yesterday.. in the 'what to avoid segment' hahahah lovely. What would we do without knowledgable pigment nerds!.. Great info!
I wonder if Emerald Green is the reason, that vials of poison are always portrayed as being this colour, in various movies/games/etc.
Actually yes!! You are right about the green poison...that's exactly where it comes from! I found out about that after I made this video otherwise I would have mentioned it. :)
great video!!!...
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I have a gorgeous r&f pigment stick called alizarine orange. Would that be fugitive? It says "pr83 - 1,2 dihydroxy anthraquinone on alumina base & pb83 - disazo (diarylide)"
Thanks for watching! Yes the PR83 is Alizarin Crimson, so the red part will fade and leave behind the yellow. Diarylide Yellow is not completely permanent either so use that stick with caution.
loved the last part
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On Winsor and newton's website, it says their chrome yellow closely resembles genuine chrome yellow but is light fast and permanent.
Thanks for watching! That means that the Winsor & Newton color is really a "hue", meaning it is a mixture of modern pigments meant to imitate Chrome Yellow. It's not genuine Chrome Yellow.
Is the modern replacement for Mauve now Dioxazine Purple?
No, Mauve was never used for artist paint, only for clothing and textile dye. For a long time the only violet pigment artists had was Cobalt Violet which was discovered in 1859. Dioxazine Purple is a modern synthetic organic pigment from the mid 20th Century. :) Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this
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I am really impressed by your videos. I have a few questions...
1) Ashalten has recently been re-introduced as a color, supposedly improved to be more stabile, what are your thoughts?
2) In the realm of varnishes, Copal picture varnish, and Copal varnish mediums, how do they compare to Damar varnish?
Thanks for watching! 1) I believe that Asphaltum you are thinking of is likely a hue color, maening it is made from other pigments to mimic the real thing. If not, I would be cautious. The real thing contains tar which will never dry. 2) Copal was used mainly for commercial varnishes but became popular in the Victorian period for fine art mediums and as a varnish for paintings. I have never used it, but from what I understand, it dries very hard. It isn't as common anymore. My guess is damar would be easier to remove if need be.
@@walcottfineart5088 Yes, but I want to use it more in stages between layers of glazes, such as that which Maxfield Parrish did. and for that purpose, the hardness is a benefit. It is still made and available via several companies, Richeson, Geneva, Grumbacher and others, but only as a medium, not as a picture varnish, which I am not sure if there would be a difference, but I am still looking into this.