The Truth About The Tesla Semi Revealed!
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PepsiCo. Saving the environment, one diabetic at a time
Lol
*fast, sincere clap
Regarding the section you're talking about the Cybertruck frunk, I don't know what the big deal is for everybody. When I was growing up and until now, everybody that's ever had a pick up truck had the box on the back and that was it. Then they got Tonneau covers so they had a safe place to store things. A pick up truck has never had a compartment in the front engine section where you can store things. Not only that, the Cybertruck has the ultimate built-in Tonneau cover.
Like I said, I just don't get what the problem is...
The problem is that this is a shit show and you are right.
The f150 has had this while it has existed
@@blue_ig1
I'm not trying to put down having a frunk, but being it's a pick up truck and you have a huge bed in the back that has a cover, I just don't see the big deal about a pick up truck not having a front trunk, that's all Lol
@@terrysmith8655 but competition has a better type and Tesla fans can’t take that so..
The down side is the 500 mile charge the battery holds, if shipping cross country.
But they could either make trailers with extended batteries for longer hauls, or just make mod battery pack to mount under current trailers...
So heavier still vehicles and either/ or less pay load or more damage to the highway.
When comes drive-in charging?
4:03 no one is going to talk about how they finally put the horn in the center of the steering wheel
Sysco should be getting some soon
The cyber truck has a small overhang compared to the F-50 so it will naturally be smaller like your channel compared to Ben Sullins
“The throne “😂 . In the UK that’s slang for sitting in the toilet.
10:00 I would park that truck pointing into the scenic lakeside or music fest or overlook sunset and pop open the couch sized frunk where I don't need storage except for the padded cushions, recessed icebox, and maybe some built in cup holder ... the lid is a shade cover, could be built in speakers ... chill in a couch you can place anywhere a 4wd cybertruck can go ❤😂
How heavy was the load in the trailers? There is NO WAY they are carrying what their ICE equivalents do on a daily basis.
Reporting best case scenarios (max range, min charge time/cost, etc) does little to compare actual ICE tractors on the job with EV.
_There is NO WAY they are carrying what their ICE equivalents do on a daily basis._
That's the fallacy of personal incredulity. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it isn't so.
@@BigBen621 Would being a physicist lend some credulity? I didn't think it was necessary to say but magical thinking does surround some EV proponents.
@@Deploracle Of course, if you make an argument based on plausible facts that's consistent with the laws of physics. But physicist or not, your assertion that "There is NO WAY they are carrying what their ICE equivalents do on a daily basis", without supporting evidence of some sort, is simply personal incredulity, which is a well-known fallacy.
If it's me you're suggesting that's surrounded by magical thinking, please point it out. As an engineer, it's my ethical obligation to seek out honest criticism of my work. And if you're right, I'll issue a correction, as required by my engineering code of ethics.
According to the ORNL _Transportation Energy Data Book,_ 75% of all diesel semi trips are made loaded to 7 or more tons less than the 80,000 lb. GCVWR. Frankly, this isn't a very high bar for Tesla Semis to meet.
@@BigBen621 The truth will become obvious once these trucks are fully loaded with freight. Its not going to be pretty.
The pronanicatrion he did for the city Pune (the indian city for Tesla office) was hilariously wrong. I am from Pune and it is supposed to be pronounced as "pun·ay" for anyone is curious.
also Donner Pass, which he pronounced donor pass
:)
The spelling of pronanicatrion is hilariously wrong. It is supposed to be spelled as "pronunciation" for anyone is curious. 🙂
3 MW 😱, time to install a small modular LFTR power generation station.
Still no mention of load capacity or did I miss it?
Load capacity can be estimated at 43,000 lbs. in a dry-van trailer, and 44,000 lbs. on a flat-bed trailer. This will be confirmed next month at the NACFE/RMI RoL-E DEPOT tests (look it up).
@@BigBen621 “Estimated”😂. If that is the load capacity it is comparable with an ICE truck, if that is the case why are Tesla so coy about letting customers know? Given the fact that it was always the main criticism used against electric trucks I would have thought they would be crowing about it.
@@tatata1543 There might be many reasons why Tesla hasn't released this information; but the most likely is that they're still fine-tuning battery capacity and other factors, and don't want to release final numbers until these parameters are locked down.
In any event, independent verification of these numbers should come from the NACFE/RMI RoL-E DEPOT tests in September, which Tesla is participating in (look it up).
Can we connect electric hand tool to the cyber tr ?
Yes because there is normal plug port built in
Just saw one broken down on the side of the free way today in Cal
Part of testing.
3 mn power hookup that is equal to 2100 homes & 450 miles long haul , in the trucking world that is a run to the convenience store.
Sorry-what's a "mn"?
1.7 kw/mi is amazing.
there is no need to ‘always’ support Tesla. Front trunk is absolutely essential especially for a pickup truck of this size.
Anyone else feel like Elon is just Dr Evil before he lost his hair? Let’s hope Elon has “Keeps” 😂😂
Not sure of the return but I have seen these trucks being towed by a diesel several times. I have also talked with a Volvo mechanic and they are having issues with running out of battery. Might just be a learning curve but needs to be mentioned.
Ever heard of running out of fuel or gas? I have even diesel trucks break down, hard to believe.
Diesel trucks are pretty reliable , these trucks are too new to be having maintenance issues
@@klardfarkus3891 yes, they can, an easily fixed problem by just refilling the tank and a few minutes bleeding the fuel system, a job any half decent fitter can do with his eyes shut. Now, how do you recharge an extremely large lithium ion battery on the side of a road miles from any recharge facility?
@@scrumpydrinker From a mobile charging van; exactly as I did a few months ago when the battery in my borrowed Tesla Model 3 went to zero while I was on a cruise. A mobile charging van was waiting for me when we docked, and we were away with enough charge to get to the nearest Supercharger in 45 minutes.
@@BigBen621 yes, a Tesla model 3, now try the same scenario with a fully discharged Tesla Semi, given the required battery capacity I suspect that it would take rather longer and require a diesel driven generator to do so.
I think that utility and economy are the major factors. Mamals and yeast expel CO2. Transportation is far cleaner than in the recent past.
Thanks
A big win for Pepsi cola
What's the Tare and Gross weights of Tesla Semi again?
...strange isn't it................................ nobody ever mentions the actual weights of any of these electric skateboards.................... Not Tesla, not Pepsico, nor any of the Elon fanfags.............
What do you know of deep Plasma drilling for Geothermal energy?
What I understand is that Plasma drilling it is a lot more efficient than conventional drilling. Both in maintenance and in speed.
If we can get deep enough, we could almost say goodby to fossil fuels completely.
I would love to see a video on that.
The front trunk really shouldn’t be anything to complain about because every other pickup only has a bed.. and that’s it
Tesla also beginning to take a root in malaysia and because of that announcement…EV price drop significantly here…plus many of the tesla part come from malaysia itself
Tesla planning to launch new 24k car
With petrol costing MYR 2 per litre I can’t see electric cars gaining much of a market share.
@@steveallen1340 people love to follow trend 😝
@@LeeMooEez don’t get me wrong, I love electric cars, I just think it will take longer in Malaysia for them to gain large market share. The 2 main reasons are the low cost of petrol and the popularity of lower priced cars (eg Perodua have approx 40% market share). EVs can’t compete on purchase price at the moment.
@@steveallen1340 haha I get nothing wrong or assume anything because I get it haha don’t worry because even in other country ev will never be on the top compared to ICE vehicle everyone in adapation/transition phase…our own ev will be out in 2025 earliest
It will be great because we can make the energy right here on renewables so many ways to make renewable energy more job and clean . Good for clean air.
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nice
BYD is actually present in india from years they were interested in investing more than 1 billion dollars some days ago but the indian government stop them india will be the toughest market to crack because we don't believe in promise we want a practical car for our market
“Huge benefits, regardless of the up front costs to make the switch.”
hmm unless the truck is totaled before the savings outgrow the initial cost beacuse in that case the additional cost of +$1M per truck (IDK, just guessing its a big number) will not be offset
also you need to have a nice big power outlet to charge these monsters, it might be suited just for factories etc already having this kind of power, it doens't seem too universal
I am sure they can put another battery in the trailer ?
No need to. Including a 40% charge during the mandatory 30-minute break at 8 hours, a Tesla Semi can drive as far in a day as permitted by HOS regulations. And since these are day cabs, there's 10 hours overnight to charge for the next day, but which actually takes only 2 hours.
So the tesla semi isn't cancelled for this year?
Anyone that currently owns a truck isn’t going to give a crap about the size of the frunk. Current trucks don’t have ANY frunk whatsoever so any size of frunk is just a bonus.
How much weight is in a simi full of chips
Not much. Next question (because they don't make chips in the Sacramento PepsiCo Bottling Plant): How much weight is in a semi full of soft drinks? Answer: about 43,000 lbs.
The technical data in this video regarding the Tesla Semis is worth nothing,
because you do not give the payload the trucks are hauling. If they are only hauling potato chips (Pepsi Frito Lay), then they have an unusual low payload weight. That means you cannot compare them to normal truck-users.
The Frito-Lay division of PepsiCo moves cubed-out loads of potato chips, because that's their product. The Pepsi division moves weighed-out loads of soft drinks from the Sacramento PepsiCo Bottling Plant, because that's *their* product. Enter the four words Run On Less Results to see weighed-out loads of soft drinks achieving ranges of >450 miles.
Or how about a Tesla city bus?
Raleigh NC has gone electric with their buses!!
You are a little late with that idea.
BYD China makes EV busses for the Chinese market. They burn worse than an EV auto if the battery(s) catches on fire. CCP down plays this though from what I was able to read up on.
@@mooglemy3813 Everything Chinese for a Chinese market is junk. Once manufacturing is under communist's control the only think that counts in quantity and they make a lot. Buildings are great example,
450 miles is the best - that's trash range compared to diesel, these will have to be used for short interstate regional dedicated routes. cross country/OTR loads would extend delivery ETAs significantly.
In California max speed limit for semi is 55 mph and you can legally drive only 8 hours. Let see 450/55=8.18. WTF do you want. You can't drive more even if a truck could. Plus you can have a lunch and a shower and you are full again. Get lost moron.
This is only the very begging of this technology , and even if it only does the short runs and city deliveries , thats massive amounts of crap not in the air for you to breath , the health costs alone will more than make up the costs , and the tech only gets better , you would,ve been 1 of those who was saying "the inturnal combustion engine will never replace the horse " same thing , paridym shift
Bro, don't be one those people who said (cars) wouldn't replace horses. As we know, (cars) did replace horses. It's the same thing with electronic cars and everything else. They would become history, just like everything bro.
450 is the longest route Pepsi is using the trucks on not the max that the truck can run. The 500 mile drive on release day is on on CZcams.
When Tesla introduced the semi years ago, they said the majority of driving was within 250 miles. 80% of truck routes less than 250 miles.
Why did they say that? Well, for one, electric vehicles have a limited range. But if the cost per mile is the driving factor, and the Tesla Semi costs less per mile, then there is a business case for buying an electric truck.
For most people and companies, it's difficult to buy an electric truck, because they aren't quite yet being mass manufactured.
For now long distance trucking is safe. But eventually all trucking will be electric or some other technology that is zero emission. I expect battery technology will improve and make longer distance trucking possible in the next 10 -15 years. Maybe you'll be retired before that happens.
Some companies are banking on hydrogen for long haul trucking, but that has yet to be proven as a viable business solution.
For now, electric trucks are a solution for at least 80% of truck routes.
Companies that do not switch will be competing with companies that do.
So you have a Tesla Cyber Truck, what is the pickup bed for? Why do you need a trunk on a pickup, I thought was the whole idea of a pickup truck
It compensates the ego of the owner, since they can’t get hard anymore
Sounds like a very positive spin on something mostly enforced by CA government and taxpayer subsidies. I would like to see the math on these trucks without government subsidies and I'd love to hear from drivers driving the center position rear entrance layout in a state that has snow and rain, because that cockpit will look like crap in any dirty environment since the driver has to drag dirt and snow through the cabin to get to the seat. I'd also like to hear how the passing experience is with a center position where you can't see past a truck in front of you.
Electric vehicles may do fine on the last mile distribution as it's done by Pepsi, but driving across the nation is still a whole other picture and one that a train will always beat in terms of cost and environmental factors. They may be a kicking the can down the road solution, but they're most definitely not a permanent solution to humanities transportation needs.
I would like to see those trucks run between Regina and Calgary in January and see how well they do?
@@tomb8232 Guess they'll be fine - once they thaw out in spring 🤣
@@tomb8232 Well, to start with, Tesla Semis are not designed for, marketed for, or sold for use in Canada. But running a US-spec Tesla Semi on this route might be an interesting exercise. First, recent tests have shown Tesla cars to use about 15% more electricity in moderately cold weather; so let's make it 20% more to be conservative. In the Run On Less tests now underway, Tesla loaded to GCVWR of 82,000 lbs. are achieving about 1.9 kWh/mile; so let's use 2.3 kWh/mile to account for weather. The 471 miles between Regina and Calgary will then require 1,083 kWh; and the elevation difference between Regina and Calgary will take another 54 kWh or so; for a total of 1,136 kWh. At the residential rate of around 25¢/kWh, this would be a "fuel" cost of about $285 for this trip.
Since the US-spec Tesla Semi has a capacity of about 850 kWh, this will require a single recharge of about 44% battery capacity to arrive with a safe 10% buffer, which would take about 25 minutes at a 750 kW Megacharger, somewhere along the way. Obviously, the infrastructure isn't in place for this, yet; but this is also the first year Tesla Semis have been introduced, and then only in California. If a Canadian-spec Tesla Semi is introduced, the charging infrastructure will grow in tandem with the size of the fleet, starting with the most-used routes.
Tesla Semis will do better than diesels in snow and ice, for at least three reasons: first, a substantial portion of the weight of the tractor will be shifted back to the drive axles due to improved weight distribution of the batteries, increasing traction; second, the smooth application of torque by the electric motors, compared with transmissions shifting every few seconds, will mean less wheelspin; and third, the torque axle has independent motors on each wheel, allowing torque vectoring in limited traction situations. Finally, Tesla Semis will be much better able to tolerate being stranded by bad weather; because compared with diesel semis, the heat pump system can maintain battery and cab temperature with much less energy, allowing them to maintain comfortable conditions in the cab literally for a week or more.
So, as you can see, they'd do just fine, once there are Canada-spec Tesla Semis, and appropriate charging infrastructure.
More than the $200 a year Texas is aiming to charge owners of electric vehicles, the state of California is going to send a that much larger bill to PepsiCo for not paying the road use tax collected at the pump when not buying diesel fuel anymore.
_the state of California is going to send a that much larger bill to PepsiCo for not paying the road use tax_
Please identify which California state law or regulation allows them to bill PepsiCo for not paying the road use tax. Thank you.
@@BigBen621California enacted a sales and use tax exemption starting in 2023 under the 'clean cars 4 all' program. Under Gov Brown there also was an attempt to charge owners of zero-emission vehicles a flat rate of $100 a year
This is to address the about $32 mill in lost gas tax revenue traditionally collected at the fuel pump.
The issue is even more pronounced with heavy commercial vehicles replacing Diesel fuel.
These types of vehicles have to file road use reports with individual states if they cross state lines. Due to their higher fuel usage, there is also considerably more money at stake.
Reading your post, I'm not sure what they point is that you are driving at (pardon the pun).
If your point is that PepsiCo is operating their electric truck fleet in Texas and not in California, obviously my post is a hypothetical applying to PepsiCo or any fleet operator doing business in California.
If your point is that PepsiCo will escape paying any taxes to Texas that normally would be collected at the pump, I point you to current Texas legislation contemplating billing owners of EV vehicles directly as an alternative to not paying road use taxes when NOT buying any type of fuel at the pump.
Either way, no state will stand by and watch as millions of dollars of tax revenue disappear in the name of sustainability. They will make sure they get their money, one way or another.
Hope that helps.😁
@@jdrancho1864 All EVs should be paying the equivalent of fuel taxes, including my personal Tesla Model Y. I'm just not aware that there's currently any law or regulation in place in California for collecting this from private and commercial entities. The only thing I can find out about the "Clean Cars 4 All" is that it's a program to help low-income folks buy cars. I didn't see anything in it which would allow California to bill PepsiCo "for not paying the road use tax", although I may have missed it. And you said "use tax *exemption* in this context, which would seem to be the opposite of authority to charge PepsiCo "for not paying the road use tax".
The driver gets to take a 30 min break lol
If you've never owned a truck you wouldn't know how important the drunk is.
Not one mention on how much if any, Pepsi is saving on fuel. ⛽
Real world data in urban areas. Perfect for our 15 minute cities.
All in all, the majority of charging these trucks was done using fossil fuels.
These trucks are totally worthless for cross-country transport.
When you say the trucks use an average of 1.7 kw hrs per mile. I don't really have anything to compare this to. How does this compare to a diesel engine?
Based on the Pepsi data (1.7 Kwh/mile) the Tesla Semi is about half the cost of diesel per mile and a big plus is you don't get the CO2 or the soot emissions. A huge deal for class 8 owners. A CZcams comment from a long-haul trucker has estimated for his routes & fuel costs that the Tesla Semi is 1/3 the cost per mile compared to his diesel truck bought a few years ago. He has one on order.
In addition the Tesla Semi has less maintenance than a diesel engine. No oil changes, No exhaust system, Less brake wear with regen braking. And in the future with SAE level 3 driver assistance the Tesla Semi will be a lot less work for the driver reducing the accident rate and lowering insurance costs. When Tesla self-driving reaches SAE Level 4 the driver can rest during most of the freeway drive and only get called back to drive if the automation anticipates bad weather or construction ahead. That's the hope anyway.
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One gallon of diesel fuel is equivalent in energy to 38 Kwh of electricity. See wikipedia, "Gasoline gallon equivalent", table entry for diesel fuel.
The North American Council for Freight Efficiency survey reports the average class 8 truck gets 7.24 MPG.
So the Kwh equivalent energy consumption of a diesel truck 38 / 7.24 = 5.24 Kwh /Mile.
So the Tesla Semi at Pepsi is about 3X more energy efficient compared to a diesel engine. (5.24 / 1.7).
The average national price for 1 Gal of diesel as of 7/31/23 by the EIA is $4.13/gal.
In CA the cost of electricity ranges from 13 to 22 cents per Kwh. With Pepsi charging at night I expect their cost is at the lower end of the scale.
So, the diesel cost per mile is 4.13 / 7.24 = 57 cents/mile for fuel.
For electricity the cost per mile is 15 cents/Kwh x 1.7 Kwh/mi = 25.5 cents/mile (using a cost of 15 cents/Kwh) or 2.2x cheaper than diesel (57 / 25.5)
I seem to recall Musk saying that Solar could produce power at about 7 cents / Kwh but I could have that wrong.
@@datamatters8 Thanks.
@@datamatters8 Thank you for posting. It looks like a no brainer. All diesel truck owners and manufacturers shitting marbles.
PepsiCo moves potato chips with the Tesla truck, not actual heavy loads.
The Frito-Lay division of PepsiCo moves cubed-out loads of potato chips, because that's their product. The Pepsi division moves weighed-out loads of soft drinks from the Sacramento PepsiCo Bottling Plant, because that's *their* product. Enter the four words Run On Less Results to see weighed-out loads of soft drinks achieving ranges of >450 miles.
@@BigBen621 I can't wait to see a Tesla truck pulling a load of soft drinks.
@@melhudson6832 You're most likely to see Pepsi-branded Tesla Semis around Sacramento; between Sacramento and Bakersfield on I-5 or US-99; or between Sacramento and Reno over Donner Summit, because these seem to be the most traveled routes from the Sacramento Pepsi Bottling Plant.
did pepsi get a discount ???
The battery in the semi is so big they can only carry about half the load of a diesel semi.
*FALSE.* They actually carry within about a ton of the payload of a diesel semi.
I love how you can see the real work horses in the back ground of the video, Deisel Trucks. As an OTR truck driver I just laugh at these kinda videos there so outta touch with reality.
How so? For many markets, these EV trucks are a huge benefit over the 100 year old tech they’re replacing. .
@@codycasti want to see Teslas pull heavy machinery, like other trucks do; not boxes of soda
@@Tylerd838 why? Could it be these trucks are made for specific load types and routes? Nothing wrong with that.
You sound like my buddy who hates on my Tesla because I can’t pull a boat. I’m like “uh that’s not why I bought it but okay…”. Or he says “lol it takes you 30 min to charge!” When I reality I charge over night. At home. For free (via solar) so spend zero time at a gas station.
Im comin Sacramento California.... I wanna be Tesla truck driver 😂😂
U can buy it when amortization done n reach zero book value at company vehicle write off..... Damn its a long time w8ing... 😂😂
They would be ideal for the UK as it isnt a big country .
“Huge benefits, regardless of the up front costs to make the switch.”
Sure it is, especially when the up front cost are augmented by tax payers! The big corporations win and small businesses and tax payers lose.
yup
Who is the blame for that? If you don't like the rules, vote for leaders who will change them.
Do the tax payers really pay? Or is it the same as with electric cars for private use...
Everyone shouting about taxpayers bearing costs......but forgetting that electricity (talking about my country in europe) was and is much heavier taxed than petrol and diesel. In other words...those driving electric are paying the highest taxrate for energy usage.
That the car is efficient enough to compensate for that is one point.
But all those shouters about those augmention....we do not pay monthly road tax for EV...are cherry picking to the little part the EV driver does not pay as compensation for the high energy taxes.
Also , even IF the taxpayers do pay a little extra (in other countries as mine possible)....It's also the taxpayer who will breathing less poisoned air in the cities and win in health (lower health costs)
Just like subsidized oil and gas
what subsidized oil and gas?
"...the impossible takes a bit longer", and now that 'impossible' semi already has pre-orders outpacing production. The ENTHUSIASM of experienced Class-8 drivers for this trucks performance, "like driving my family car ...even easier" is evident. There are other BEV semi platforms, but none that can match the price/performance/technology.
Electricity supplied from coal and gas power stations. Brilliant idea.
Turns out that, yeah, fossil fuel based power stations are still more efficient than gas and diesel engines - partly because car engines have to fit in a car, while power plants can be just about as big and heavy as you want.
Also, because the power plant works at one RPM, while the car has to make useable power from like 800 rpm to 8000 rpm.
90% of fossil fuel is turned into electricity at efficient coal plants. 94% of that is turned into motion and climate control in EVs, for about 87% total efficiency vs 25% efficiency burning fossil fuels in IC engines. Huge, stationary emissions control systems on a coal plant is more effective and efficient while being less expensive vs manufacturing and installing a mobile Emissions control system on every single car manufactured. But facts don't fit your narrative.
Still exponentially more efficient to run on coal and oil electricity, then burn gasoline in a car.
where are all the sources for everything you're saying in regards to Pepsi and these claims? provide links in future videos
Put the four words Run On Less Results in your browser, and select PepsiCo (Sacramento) for the depot. Here you'll see Tesla Semis, loaded to around 43,000 lbs., making trips averaging 450+ miles of range.
Didn't California tell drivers of EVs not to charge their cars when there was a heat wave?
No. They told them not to charge them until after the sun went down.
@@natehill8069 Mostly correct. But in reality, *they* didn't tell anyone anything; what *they* did was request that *everyone voluntarily* reduce *all* electrical consumption, including charging EVs, between 4:00 PM to 9:00 PM during a few days of record high temperatures. This had virtually no effect on EV charging, because the vast majority of EVs are charged during the super-off-peak period of midnight to 6:00 AM, when electrical rates are lowest.
It seems simple to me, but that means it's probably a non profit driven idea......put an EASILY load and reload battery in the front of the trailer....pull in, badda boom, badda bing.............no?
The recharge infra-structure is profit driven.......
I saw my first Tesla semi when I was coming over Donner Pass (hwy 80) four years ago. I thought it was the coolest looking semi.
Now that I live in Modesto, I see the Frito Lay Tesla semi's almost every day...
No rival in India lol. Never heard of the Tata Nexon ig
as a former trucker, i had concerns that the Semi's central seating location would lead to, not one, but two blind spots, but it looks like the drivers are happy with the driving experience, so it must not be a problem. Great news.
Been wondering about the T semis
It takes close to 20 min. to fill up with fuel most of the time.
I would say even close to 25 mins. Easy if near empty
And if other trucks are filling at the same time sometimes the pumps are even slower. Can be 35 mins.
It takes longer than that as a fill up comes with a free shower.
The Cybertruck has tons of cargo space. It doesn't even need a frunk.
Any size frunk would be a bonus.
The ct even has space in the rear side pillars.
That the ct would not have the frunk size of the f150 is pretty obvious, since the ct has a way shorter front and the f150 used the original chassis.
But I give the point to the f150 in that category, putting you luggage in the frunk and your bikes on the bed (before someone comments 'but the ct has the cover"...with the bikes the cover would need to stay open)
Yes you can't fit a 8x4 sheet of drywall into it...
You're not going to put certain things in the back and don't want to ride with them. So the frunk is actually important
Keep up the good work
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Yes, you can see that Telsa's designers do not understand anything about driving a truck. Why is the driver's seat in the middle. The driver always has to get out of the car at the gates of factories and ports, etc., because he can't reach out of the window in the normal way to do things.
It seems that most people that comment on the Tesla semi may have never sat in a semi let alone have driven one. I am all for EV's but until their battery charging times are similar to refuelling time for an ICE vehicle they will be for local use only. ON a coast to coast run, it would take an extra day and a half to charge the battery. Tesla claimed it to have “built it around the driver,” but that is just nonsense. Starting by how much space it just wastes with its central seating position. While that is the one the McLaren F1 adopted, it works better on hypercars than on trucks. The central driving position makes it more challenging to look ahead and overtake. That happens because a truck is a wide vehicle. If you are in the middle of the cabin, you are far from the edge of the lane, where you have a better view of the traffic ahead. On a two-way road, that’s also where you can see oncoming traffic. Truck drivers have to pay tolls, talk to people in gatehouses, and handle the paperwork while entering a factory or delivering anything. The Semi does not give access to a window. In fact, it has no windows that can be opened: the driver will have to get up from their seat, open the door and deal with whatever they need - even in the winter. Talking about cold weather, having the doors in the back of the cabin will force the driver to walk a bit to reach their seats. In the winter, with muddy boots, doing that will mess up the cabin interior. A truck with doors that give direct access to the driver’s seat prevents that from happening: they can take off their boots and just walk barefoot in the cabin.
That would be especially useful for trucks with a bed. The Semi apparently does not offer one, which is another flaw in the electric truck’s concept. If you think it through, it also speaks a bunch about the limited use the truck will have, almost like a Class 8 last-mile truck, if that even exists. A hypothetical bed could be in the back, but it is not there because that’s where the Semi has its doors. Another option would be to put a bed above the windscreen. Even if the Semi was not conceived for long trips - as the lack of a bed suggests - people driving at night often find it useful to take a quick nap to keep driving safely.
The massive screens inside the Semi are dangerous. The “tablets" are simply not designed for use in moving vehicles. Drivers need physical buttons that they can reach without taking their eyes off the road. They reflect stuff and glow too much, even in dark mode, which makes them terrible for night driving.
I am also not happy about the rear-view mirrors. Thanks to the central driving position (again) and the cabin being narrower in the front, Tesla had to place them in really long arms. If they get dirty (and they eventually will), the driver will not reach them easily to clean them.
Tesla seems particularly proud of: the bullet shape of the cabin, which imposes an angled windscreen. As aerodynamic as that is, it would only help snow build up on top of it. People who find it difficult to clean a passenger car's windscreen in the winter should have fun doing so on a glass surface sitting ten feet above the ground. Vertical windscreens do not have that issue. In the summer, the angled windscreen will turn the cabin into a glasshouse.
So there you have a semi driver's view of this foolish waste of engineering talent.
Was in Chicago dropping off a load talking with a local driver with a electric truck he says that they hate them I didn't ask why
If price drops that much to $24000? I wouldn't have a problem saying no to it.😅
Can any truth to be expected from a tesla promoting channel?
Just 1.7kWh per mile achieved must be a terrible devastation to Teslas ambition. The Sacramento area does not require trucks to go 70mph and loading sodas and chips is a long way from full load. The only added energy expense relative to the 500mile drive with full load is the charging is included. The best Tesla charging performance is 112kWh per kWh entered to the battery, but these are shallow charging so cannot account for too much of the missing performance. And the trucks only have one trailer, which further limit the wind resistance.
_Just 1.7kWh per mile achieved must be a terrible devastation to Teslas ambition_
In what way? All Tesla has stated is that it'll be better than 2.0 kWh/mile, and the Run On Less tests are showing better than that.
_The Sacramento area does not require trucks to go 70mph_
I have no idea what that means, and it sounds like you don't either. What area requires any trucks to go a particular speed? Whatever your claim, the speed limit for Class 8 trucks in California (hint-Sacramento is in California) is 55 MPH; typical cruising speeds are 60 - 62 MPH.
_loading sodas and chips is a long way from full load._
The Frito-Lay division of PepsiCo moves cubed-out loads of potato chips, because that's their product. The Pepsi division moves weighed-out loads of soft drinks from the Sacramento PepsiCo Bottling Plant, because that's *their* product. Enter the four words Run On Less Results to see real-time telemetry of weighed-out loads of soft drinks achieving ranges of >450 miles.
_The only added energy expense relative to the 500mile drive with full load is the charging is included._
That sentence makes no sense. What exactly are you trying to say?
_And the trucks only have one trailer, which further limit the wind resistance._
Any chance that's because only a few states permit *more than* one trailer, and California (hint-Sacramento is in California) isn't one of them?
@@BigBen621 Musk claims 1.7kWh per mile fully loaded with potential for reaching 1.5kWh per mile. 70mph is what trucks can go in most areas and the consumption rise with speed. The most efficient Tesla on record regarding charging is the Tesla Y and according to the mandatory filing Tesla has submitted to EPA they require 113kWh per 100kWh entered into the battery so this is an important information. When Tesla made the outrageous efficiency claims fully loaded I am sure they did not imagine to fail so miserably in a far easier use case.
Whoa. Go do an actual comparison of how long it takes to recharge vs fill up. Just saying truckers don't get as much break during fill up without presenting the data makes me think this is a biased video.
Zombies might get ya, while you mess inside your frunk.. also Better to Not have a Front end, obstructing view around corners..
I thought it was 1.1kwh? Not sure this info jives with the Pepsi video.
1.1 or 1.7 the diff of .6 KWH is noise compared to buying diesel.
I think you might be misremembering this. Tesla's claim from the start has been 1.7 kWh/mile, which has been confirmed by PepsiCo.
@@danharold308730% isn’t noise fanboy.
@@BigBen6211.1 is per kilometer.
@@patrickmaloney1810 Makes sense. I just hadn't heard that statistic.
Can you imagine the mess one of these trucks will make when they catch fire? They won't be able to move it for 6 months without a massively expensive cleanup. EVs using lithium are the dumbest design in human history. They are the most unsafe and expensive vehicles in history.
Florida warns about hurricane-damaged electric vehicles.
I refuse the stupid term "frunk." And when in Britain or Australia, I refuse to call it a "froot."
No sense of humor
Its not stupid, its simply the natural word for a "front trunk". Nobody is pushing it, it was a "grassroots" occurrence. Its like "y'all" - people just needed an english word for you (plural) and it happened.
@@edhill8568 C'mon, he was pulling your leg.
Ford is as BMW still trapped in old design language with a big hood. Of course there will be more space there.
Tesla realised in the beginning that the hood can be much shorter and give more space to the passengers or make the car smaller still with good interior space. So it is dumb to criticize Tesla for not having a huge frunk. Instead you need to see the whole picture. Total space and also compared to overall size.
2:00 that's Donner Pass, I think. One terrific advantage of the ev over ice is at higher altitude: the ev only experiences less air drag with no loss of power, the ice engine loses power directly with altitude and needs some sort of supercharging to maintain performance in the mountains.
That is what often gets forgotten.
EV is terrible in the mountains, as they get so inefficient when going up hill...well seeing some combustion engine semi with the pedal to the metall, that engine is burning a lot, going from 8 mpg down to 2 mpg...yeah. Plus the EV going down charges the battery, the combustion will need the breaks and wast the energy in creating heat.
Lower air pressure reduces drag, with the combustion you will loose power, even with a supercharger/turbo (but not as much) and that just cancels the effect from the reduced drag,
Ev, has a reduced drag...even with no air it will run (until the motors overhead, because there is no air to cool them down)
@@mammutMK2 with the right gear ratio, engine breaks can let a ICE run on zero or little fuel on a downward journey.
True that ev gets charged on the way down. The real problem is getting up atthe first place.
There is a lot of BS here hyped as facts. All advantages you cited are nothing considering charging these battery trucks require high voltage & high current chargers which still come from fossil fuels! There is absolutely zero advantage to battery trucks. In the energy game - there is no free lunch!
Most truck engines are turbocharged. The combination of the turbocharger and engine management system compensates the power output as altitude increases.
I suspect the 25k car might actually be the Roadster. If you take it and put all the no rare earth tech into a dual motor design you have the most cost effective efficient car they have ever built. Then if on the other end you do a 4 motor with the batteries and engines in the plaid you have the highest performing car they've ever made both on the same sled design. They both could share the same assembly line and development. It would be a one two punch to the rest of the industry with both hyping each other to insane levels of pre orders. If that was the reveal the stock value would go full on Space X to Mars. It would represent the crowning achievement of the company.
May I point out Pepsi sells carbonated sode. If CO2 is so bad why the hell do we drink soda? Maybe your being lied to.
LETS GOOOO 🎉🎉🎉🎉 I love how we have this excellent data now. 50 will look so nice
If I could buy a Tesla, I would be much more interested.
The EV semi-trucks are only suitable for products that are high-bulk (i.e. high volume:mass ratio, or low mass:volume ratio), such as potato chips, corn chips, etc.
I very much doubt that the battery capacity of the EV semi-trucks is sufficient to transport a heavy payload such as 20 tonnes of cans or bottles filled with Pepsi Cola or other soft drinks, for significant distances. The question that needs to be asked or stated: How far can the Tesla 'semi-truck' transport a payload of let's say 20 tonnes before recharging? (I think not very far.)
Similarly, the Tesla 'Cyber truck' is a 'leisure' vehicle - it is not suitable for transporting heavy payloads that is required of a typical 'working truck' such as F-50 which is used by workers in the building and construction industry for example. The question that needs to be asked or stated: How far can the Tesla 'Cyber truck' tow a trailer of an average weight of let's say 1.5 tonne?
Buyer beware: The devil is in the detail - read the fine print (i.e. the Tesla specification).
Regen braking doesnt "extend" the range, its simply part of the range.
That's kind of a semantic argument. If you're in mountainous terrain, regen braking extends the range dramatically, compared with no regen braking.
@@BigBen621 Absolutely. And I think railroads could benefit HUGELY from it on trains (in mountains). But when you look at the sticker in the window and it says "39 mpg city" (or 130 mpge or w/e) its already taking it into account. Its not amazing, unexpected, "extra" range they discovered through diligent research the way they seemed to be talking, its range they already paid for when they bought the truck.
@@natehill8069 In that sense, I agree. In essence, regenerative braking allows you to have almost the same range in mountainous terrain as on level ground, which is the range you paid for.
@@BigBen621 Id like to see a locomotive for helper use in mountains with a tank car of water (no conventional battery could possibly be big enough) and two tanks to hold H2 and O2 which electrolyzes water going downhill by running the motors in regen and then plays that H2 and O2 back through a fuel cell to power the motors going back up. Currently locos have "dynamic braking", but it just generates heat in a resistive load bank and blows it overboard as waste (literally MegaWatts of it!) On top of that, they have to run the Diesel to provide coil current to do it (its still better than friction brake shoes all the way downhill which tend to melt and then wipe San Bernardino off the map).
Tesla trucks are a game changer. The fact they can drive 500 miles on one charge and take about half an hour to charge fits drivers perfectly. Drivers are required by law to take breaks, and those breaks line up perfectly with when the truck needs to charge. Can’t wait for mass production
Just as long as you are on flat ground and above 40 degrees should be fine - which is not at all good for most of the country
Well transporting water or soda cans is very easy. Most of what trucks usually transport is concrete, metal, ... Which are 5 to 10 times heavier. I don't understand how people don't see this.
Not just the range is great, the videos showing it passing diesel trucks on steep inclines well fully loaded is wild. You have to know by now that pretty much anything Tesla does is a success. Do they have any failures yet??
@@allin4once it was not fully loaded, you should check your facts. And also for failures there are a lot. You could say the battery swapping that was just a gimmick to get money from the investors and the government, or the robotaxi that were supposed to come out like 5 years ago? I mean depends if you count lies as failures but I do.
Check thunderfoot videos for better facts on Tesla it's quite informative.
Umm, that's so not how things work.
They have a weight limit, AND a max limit of soda does not fill the trailer up.
Steel and concrete take up much less space for the same weight, but trucks carry the same amount of weight of both.
And no, most of what trucks carrynis not concrete and metal.
Most of what they carry is consumer goods.....
im the only who though that the cybertruck WONT have a frunk after see the design? is actually a miracle that it will have one, even if "small"
No...I never expected that frunc there....assumed that that belonged to the drivers space.
WHAT??? No Waaaay.....
1.7KWh per mile!! Which translates to about 36KWh per 100Km.
With the current price of electricity $0.367 per KWh in Cyprus, it would cost about $13,21 per 100Km!!! NUTS!!!
Am I calculating something wrong? THIS IS HUGE
I'm not sure what you mean by "no EV competition in India" -- TATA motors, India's largest OEM -- is a leader in EV sales in India and has very popular EVs in the 12-24k USD price range, and will provide strong competition to Tesla in India.
Not if their electric cars are anything like BYD. China's electric cars are notorious for spontaneously combusting and built very cheap. Lots of nice gadgets and tech but they're not safe to drive at all. Tesla on the other hand, one of the safest vehicles on the road. So I doubt there will be any real competition in India, anytime soon.
Go Elon no one builds better EV
@@asleepcloudTata is same company which own range Rover and jaguar 🗿
Even now building 4 Billion $ factory in UK for ev production there ! Tata spend on R & d recently over 33 Billion $ ! Also have tie up with German Volkswagen group ! For ev development ! U should see Tata build quality ! Recently India discovered 5 the largest reserves of lithium also ! And India already signed FTA with Australia for all the rare Earth metals ! Like nickel Cobalt specially!
I don't understand why Tesla is interested in India at all. Their car market is very small. While the labor is cheaper. Shipping will take up the savings. Indonesia seems more likely to give concessions. And their car market is larger.
But the electricity is made be fossil fuels, So how clean is that?
In California, where every one of these is currently deployed, only 3% of energy in the grid comes from coal, and only 41% from all fossil fuels. And because the Tesla Semi uses 88%. But this doesn't take into account that all Tesla Megachargers are being built with solar arrays to augment the grid, and so the fossil fuel use is even less.
I'm not going to take a 500-mile adventure with a semi. Never.
Efficiency - efficiency - efficiency... squawk phee phoo. (put's more solar panels, wind turbines) normal refuel time - normal refuel time - normal refuel time HYDROGEN FUEL CELL
Question? What truck has a trunk? It has a bed, bra!
Great trucks for hauling styrofoam or other light weight materials.
If WONT. Jack ice trucker’s biggest worry. Th semi gets better with age “let dat sink n”
The electric pickup has ample space in the rear. So who really cares about some extra storage space in the front?
Sigh, another report on this fleet without anyone asking how heavy the loads are. Some of the product they haul can be as low as half of a full payload. Max load is 45klb my guess is these rigs are hauling 30-32klbs. HUGE difference in energy requirements.
The way this rather critical subject is avoided is telling.
Next thing you will complain about a color. That will be the only thing left. Or maybe you will ask for Tesla to make a truck that levitate.
@@lesp315 The color is irrelevant, you are using it as a rather pathetic deflection. Load capacity, however, is fundamental in trucks and the fact that they won’t release the data suggests it may be an issue with these vehicles.
Payload on Tesla Semi on Donner Pass is about 44,000 lbs. Payload on 500 mile range test is about 43,000 lbs. These will be confirmed next month at the NACFE/RMI RoL-E DEPOT tests (look it up).
@@BigBen621 “about”😂. Thanks, I will wait for the official figures .
Its big enough, why not just add a hydrogen fuel generator to intermittently charge on the fly?
Because of boom boom 😂
Also because much of the appeal of the Tesla Semi is low operating cost, and H2 costs 7-10 times as much per mile as electricity.
You give me a 25k tesla hatchback I'm sold