They actually knew each other for a long time, according to someone who found a hashtag related to them, they found that they knew each other since 2010! It’s more like friends for a decade, got into a relationship then married a year later type of deal, not that they didn’t know each other back then.
@@Melcor2304 I cannot believe they knew eachother for THAT long. That wouldve been very VERY adequate time for him to notice nearly all of the dangerous warning signs and obvious red flags that would tell him "SHE'S NOT THE ONE!". Unless he decided to go into this relationship as an attempt to boost his career and overall popularity, that's not credible.
they know each other since 2011. but dating less than a year. however they had a scandal in 2018 as well, so i wonder if they dated back then maybe as well?
@@333DOT. That might be true, I mean they did deny the allegations before but it turned out to be true. Wouldn't be surprised if they kept it a secret back then as well. I feel like both aren't mature enough to be in a relationship. Lying to your fans is one thing, I get that given the nature of their fanbase, but turning it into a "he said, she said" situation only makes things worse for them on the long run. That said, I hope they find happiness in their lives and change for the better cuz this aint it.
@@333DOT. I remember reading japanese doxxer site, they indeed dating back then but then broke up, and then get together again in 2020 or 2021, can't remeber exact details. And Rushia often if not always live together with her boyfriend (After broke up with MafuMafu, she had another boyfriend afterwards). But there's no marriage or pregnancy in the dox site, so it came as a surprise for me, though I doubt about pregnancy or maybe she aborted it?
I just hope Soju doesn’t delete her channel and is able to find a new oshi to cover (Like she did with Mumei after Rushia’s termination). I only really kept up with Mikeneko post Hololive through Soju.
i mean obviously you would trust MafuMafu more than Mikeneko because Mikeneko have a bad history of dealing with stressful situation, all of this mess started because of her to begin with
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 the thing with Mike wanting Mafu's Discord to be online 24-7 is quite literally the best example, because that immediately connects the dots on Rushia's termination being caused by her being incredibly paranoid and always watching his activity, which led to the incident that caused her termination
Safe to say we can let the court determine the rest but her admitting she was shitposting about him and had to apologise for it, is quite reprehensible. She was a professional so there are people employed to protect her anonymity. Meanwhile, she used it for personal grudges? If it was true that her side was the one that leaks marriage certification for some reason, well…
@@kglasses usually when you are same gen and have collabs for so many years together, it tend to be a friendship more than coworker. But considering how toxic rushia is, no wonder FBK didnt even shed a tear and i dun see any members have overwhelming sadness with her departure...a lot of members were literally crying their heart out when coco graduate. Stark difference. Menhera is cute when its anime girl...but rl manipulative/gaslighting girl are not for the faint hearted.
I couldn't watch rushia's streams because her persona triggered me since they reminded me so much of the abuse i suffered from my ex. i still thought it was just a bit back then but we know now lmao.
Hi, I'd like to correct some information that got a bit lost - Mafu never names Mikeneko at all in his statement, so Mikeneko ending up saying that she was A-san herself was kind of a nail in the coffin - Mafu did not claim that Mikeneko was SA'd and got pregnant, he claimed that Mikeneko accused another person of SA and got an unrelated person pregnant. -There is actually photos of Mikeneko's house that MAFUMAFU bought for her. he bought the house, she...well, lets just say there so many boxes in that house -Mikeneko wanted to hire a private investigator because she had her reasons to believe that Mafu was cheating on her but did not. -mafu did not name what animal the pets ashes were -mikeneko says that she did not ask for money until she was handed divorce papers Disclaimer: I am a not fan of either, Mafumafu PRSK fans once sent me death threats for calling cellphone love story and composing the future mid (they are) (he was literally the worst choice SEGA could choose for N25 imo because his music didnt really reflect the arcs that they would go through at all) and I didn't care for Mikeneko when she was in hololive or vshojo
You either don't speak japanese or don't read it well. She has said she didn't ask for money at first, but THEN asked for it when the whole one-sided divorce thing happened. (She didn't want to divorce.) Mafu also did not say she hired a private investigator. Mike was the one who talked about one in *her* statement claiming that she had reasons to think Mafumafu was cheating, but since she had not hired a private investigator she had no proofs.
the 2nd point, I knew something was up because I never seen mafumafu make a claim like that only mknk, mknk accused her ex-bf of sa-ing his female manager and then got her pregnant which is pretty fucked up if you ask me
Thanks for the summary. This whole situation is just a mess. I honestly have no idea what to believe in and I think it is best to wait until more info is shown but in the end, it doesn’t make the two look good at all. I also feel really bad for Soju. I really loved her clips edits and I hope that she doesn’t delete her channel and just moves forward with a new beginning.
Them knowing less than a year is false 😭😭 they’ve known each other for many years back and also had had drama in the past by many Japanese fans speculating that they lived together due to their matching cups and plates design you can even look it up
it's so frustrating, because of the recognition mikeneko got from her vtuber activities, many sources from every direction are coming to speak and many spread misinformation (unknowingly). i dont want the situation to be misunderstood by anyone so it scares me. and it's annoying to see many people who don't care about mafu suddenly want to talk about him because of drama that gets views.
@@333DOT. I get you I've been a fan of the both of them a wholee while back in 2010. That's why I know about the matching cup drama 😥 and the fact that mikeneko has always been problematic and had really bad history with guys (famous big jp youtuber called mahoto) back in the days. History keeps repeating itself 😭😭 I feel bad for mafumafu because he already has had a rough time in the past with people and now this.
Glad I’m not the only one who knew they were friends since 2010. Yeah I believe he thought she was the one after their years of friendship, but turns out she was a pretty good actress.
@@333DOT. Hey, its more Mafumafu's fault for me, lets just not accuse one of them.. a relationship to making it work needs the collaboration of the two.
Thanks a lot for this summary of the situation, with various reddit posts spreading misinformation this is highly appreciated. And wow, I'm sad for them, hope they'll settle it
I know that Rushia termination had something to do woth Mafumafu but i didn't bother digging up the info back then. Thanks for bringing up some info in the most understandable way than most youtuber or vtuber explanations. I know that shouldn't trust it all of this since you have to take a grain of salt on the internet. This situation is messier than I thought, kinda reminded me of Abe and Wendy marriage for some reason
Omg this vid was so helpful!! I was watching Diamond City Lights and i see comments mentioning mafumafu and im just thinking “who tf is mafumafu and why are we sad for him…?” Lmao thanks for the update!
I really like this style of commentary, simple text that cuts straight to the point with pleasant music and visual gags throughout, I hope you keep doing these kinds of videos.
It truly does but to get water muddy the has to be a lot of time, me dog's bowl only get dusts of dirt and bits of things like after hours, but never muddy, not in a single day.
@@tl5429it still depends, my cat sometimes bring the food into the water bowl, so the water can be muddy sometimes, it is normal to forgot to change the water daily
He willingly walked into a minefield here (they knew each other since some 2011 and weren't, in fact, married when she started doing the yandere Rushia streams). Don't feel sorry he stepped on a mine.
@@LecherousLizard acting crazy for an audience doesn’t mean you’re actually crazy irl, Mikeneko is just a special case. And during most of that time they’re just acquaintances not close friends (she messaged Korekore to dig up info on Mafumafu’s personal life) so I don’t blame him for not knowing.
@@user-gz3wk1mr1v I've long ago noticed that vtubers (at least in Hololive) are unable to maintain the persona for longer than a few streams. For example if you've seen very old clips from the person behind Korone, you'd know the girl hasn't changed one bit in the past 15 years. She basically defaulted to her irl behavior during the debut stream. Meanwhile here we have Mikeneko who did the menhera "act" for, what, 3 years before she got fired? Yes, it's a bit more exaggerated as Rushia, but she still behaved pretty much the same after she joined vshojo and now after she went back to being Mikeneko (officially). You'd honestly have to have zero interest in the person, if you didn't notice the red flags before the plates started flying or whatever. (I'd fix her though)
Learning about other peoples private life who honestly, have no impact over me whatsoever (Well, MafuMafu is fucken amazing singer and producer ngl) over some chill background music is a mood I can't describe.
I was listening to mafu mafu in my hardest time ever, he really helped me for the past years with his amazing music. Seeing how he was treated was so heart broken😢
He publicly disowned his wife and made just as many accusations as she did. At best they both deserved the treatment they got, but realistically he's more at fault here. There's no way in hell he wasn't aware she's a schizo and still thought "I can fix her".
@@LecherousLizard "He publicly disowned his wife", no, he divorced her. That's how you escape crazy people, which he did correctly. And "There's no way in hell he wasn't aware she's a schizo and still thought "I can fix her". He lived with her for 9 months, people live with their abusers for years and can't escape. His case was pretty quick. "He's more at fault here", that's disgusting victim blaming and you should be ashamed of yourself. People like you are what destroy others' faith in humanity. Absolutely disgusting. Then again, you're probably not different from her either, or you're like 12, or have autism lol
Never went as hard as some in the vtubing involvement, but thanks for this short summary although it seems a lot of infos left and right seem to be claimed both true and false by different people, at least it gives a general picture of what's happening.
@@twastea1494soju is a clipper who frequently posts shorts from mikeneko's streams. Her channel's existence was solely because of mikeneko. But now knowing that mikeneko is not who she thought, she's contemplating on quitting.
I want someone who cover the jp fan discord server with the malding users, I saw a snippet of someone losing their mind over rushia/mikeneko and I want to see more, what they are saying etc.
I am not really into Vtubers or Live Streams but this topic would once in a while show up in my recommendations, Knew a few bits and pieces during the months. Nice to get a bite-size of what the whole fuss was about on what my weeb homies were yapping about
I been following MafuMafu for a long time in terms of his creativity, but I didn't know who he was beyond the songs. However, it so happened that while watching one video, a certain situation related to MafuMafu and his wife from Holostars was mentioned. But it so happened that there are simply no videos dedicated to this topic in my native language, and I didn't want to delve into English-language videos without subtitles. And all this explanation was just to express incredibly great gratitude to the author of the video)
Haven't watched a single vtuber since Coco graduated, but still watched the entire video because this shit lowkey informational af. Still have no idea what's happening though.
I had no idea about anything from halfway point and onwards in the video, including the marriage. All those drama youtubers kept feeding the drama but never actually explaining what was going on. I knew mike was a bit messed up with her whole yandere/menhera thing but i thought it was mostly a gig and she was just insecure, but there's way more to it apparently.
It may come as a shock to you, but most vtubers (at least in Hololive, I've not watched much of anybody else since Lulu from Nijisanji graduated) drop their persona very early on. For example Korone already defaulted to her actual personality in her debut stream. Trust me on this, I've seen her first Nico streams from like 2010, she didn't change one bit. Mafumafu willingly walked into a minefield and got surprised when his proverbial leg blew off.
Tbh they already know each other since 2013 or 2014. And both if them do singing/cover song activities with some stream on twitcast and niconico douga. Perhaps like they at same circle of friends but not circle of best friends.
She shouldn't have admitted to making the slanderous posts. Big mistake because now he's gonna destroy her in court. She should've taken her own advice and not said a damn thing. It hurts her credibility a lot as well, since trying to ruin somebodies reputation with anonymous posting aligns with the behaviour of an abusive person. All in all, I'm sure they're both toxic as hell. Anyone that followed Rushia knew she was a bit twisted. It doesn't come as much of a surprise to me. It's a shame that idol-related careers are so anti-marriage. The secrecy and restriction certainly wouldn't have helped the situation. Hopefully she can use this experience to gain insight into herself and the world, and eventually find peace. This kind of situation is incredibly common all across the world. It's what happens when people with personality/mood disorders fall in love.
Just when I thought things wouldn't get even worse for mafumafu (2017, a friend stole mafumafu's song) I get it with him playing victim he might be anxious people won't believe what he said with all that gachikoi
Man, I was there when Rushia got terminated from HL. I remembered the video of her crying on stream. I was so glad that it was over and she got a fresh start as Mike, but now? I don't know man. I wanted her to be happy but now I'm not sure who to believe.
@@fikrifahrizal482Coco left on her own accord though. Had a graduation stream and all. In case of Rushia, she was fired, so most of Holomems felt compelled to not mention her, likely due to suggestion from Cover too (major exceptions being Marine and, iirc, Akirose). No idea about Mel though, but from what I heard her reason for being fired was worse than Rushia's. I guess, Holomems have since learned it's not that taboo to speak about terminated members? For example Pekora outright mentioned Rushia when she was raiding her Minecraft house on the Hololive server as if she was on a vacation or something, so... yeah.
Don’t forget that Rushia(Mikeneko) was selling “engagement rings” to her fans when she was suspected to be dating Mafumafu. The NTR brain damage that fans experienced warranted the rings to be classified as “special grade cursed objects” (their words not mine). Their cursed energy is even more powerful now that everyone knows she had been already married by the time she had sold those rings. With all the drama attached it’s almost unbeatable.
I just knew this issue. I thought there was nothing between them after mikeneko retired on Hololive however I didn't knew they were dating. I have been a fan of Mafu and I was happy to know that he is starting to date and find someone for him bcz he's a hikikomori before. Knowing that there's a lot of problem, I don't think I can trust anyone now. Mikeneko is nice and so does Mafu in my pov but we shouldn't intervene with their own issues. Sometimes what we thought the bad one is, is not really the bad one.
2:57 As a dog owner yes, mine plays a lot, bites things and she constantly gets her water a bit dirty, key word, a bit. I have to change it quite often but it never passes from a bit of dirt and even bites of leaves but never muddy wth, the poor cat must have drinking more dirt than ions in that water
the muddy water is kinda true, my cats were somehow able to turn the water muddy after i leave them for a while 😂 if its a blind cat then its more surprise it happen more often
DO MORE OF THIS I SWEAR IDIOTS LIKE ME WILL WATCH YOUR VIDEOS BY THE THOUSANDS IF YOU JUST TO THIS EXACT THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN 10/10 direct simple and easy to understand. Also nice music.
is it just me or mikeneko and mafumafu had drama all the way back in 2018 because they had couple matching stuff like cups? iirc it was cat mugs and their tails made a heart or something lol, i remember this being brought up during her hololive suspension.
Oh boy, that was wild read. Now, I know the whole story. These people should never marry again or take any relationships, both have trust issues. Now, Thanks for video.
The situation seems to have gotten worse for Mikeneko, today a Twitter post from a friend of hers just came out stating that Mikeneko is in the hospital for an attempt on her own life, I don't blame the guy (mafumafu) for exposing her but maybe Making it so public gave the haters tools to make life hell.
mafumafu is the most innocent guy i ever seen bruh, dude agreed to buy her a whole house for them to live in but it's only her living in it while he have to stay in his rented apartment, fckin unbelievable.
My god, what a mess. Guys you should't marry people you don't know well. And also, cheaters always project their insecurities onto you, if they accuse you to cheat they are most likely cheating on you, it was proven time and time again. I'm sad for Mafumafu though, us fans know he is a person with trust issues and mental health issues, who had some bad experiences before in his carreer and personal life. Ofc I wasn't aware he was married during that time, I only knew recently like everyone, but when I was thinking about "what if he finds someone", I was hoping the girl he will marry would made him happy, not bring his mental health even lower that it was before ! Mikeneko seems to have turn into a literal bully right there ! Didn't she thought "well Mafumafu had met enough bullies in his life, let's treat him right ?" But maybe she was just very insecure too. But cheating is unforgivable anyway 😢
>cheaters^ always project their^ insecurities onto you Don't be a fool. There are several types of adulterers and most of them know better that you should never mention cheating at all. Meanwhile honest adulterers are quite open about cheating and probably will try to talk about open relationships or poly relations, otherwise they would tell you straight that they cheated. p.s. "cheating is unforgivable^" is pretty ironic in our society of serial monogamy.
@@gardares Well personally I can't understand cheating, an "honest adulterer" is an oxymore for me. If you love a person you don't cheat, and if you don't love them anymore and want to cheat, it's not hard to quit the person first before you jumps on another one. The subject of open relationships should be discussed at the beginning, before even sleeping together, as it's a dealbreaker (just like wanting kids or not). If the other person said yes to an open relationship then it's not cheating
@@Aurorya well, *love* is not always the case in today's messed up world (especially since too many people confuse attraction with affection and when attraction is gone relations suddenly becoming toxic) plus there are various circumstances that could lead even relationships with love to cheating (most common is one that occurs because of alcohol or other drugs). Plus, humans are not very logical specie, we don't tend to think through literally everything in advance. You may think - *oh, I'll do this, I like this idea* and you realise postfactum that you love other person, you cheated or anything else.
We don’t have enough story to prove that Mikeneko had no reason to accuse of cheating, so we can’t know if that accusation was a projection or not. Also, both sides are probably lying right now, to get their point across no matter whose fault it is
this was a lot easier to watch than many dramatubers who talk about this for 10-20 minutes.
Fr tho
Often more than 20
gotta have that ad revenue at full potential
for realz
Well they’re just fully giving the details and it’s not that bad ngl
'...knowing each other for less than a year.'
Learned the moral of this story before the video even started: NEVER RUSH A LIFE-CHANGING COMMITMENT.
Yup never rush"I"a indeed
Sorry that was crappy
@@bobbiewa8876 That legitimately pissed me off.
Not because it was a crappy pun.
But because I didnt think about it! And it was so obvious too!
mafumafu stated that they were originally just dating but rushia was distrustful of him, so he married her to try and prove his loyalty.
They actually knew each other for a long time, according to someone who found a hashtag related to them, they found that they knew each other since 2010! It’s more like friends for a decade, got into a relationship then married a year later type of deal, not that they didn’t know each other back then.
@@Melcor2304 I cannot believe they knew eachother for THAT long. That wouldve been very VERY adequate time for him to notice nearly all of the dangerous warning signs and obvious red flags that would tell him "SHE'S NOT THE ONE!". Unless he decided to go into this relationship as an attempt to boost his career and overall popularity, that's not credible.
"knowing each other for less than a year"
well clearly they weren't ready for it.
they know each other since 2011. but dating less than a year. however they had a scandal in 2018 as well, so i wonder if they dated back then maybe as well?
@@333DOT. That might be true, I mean they did deny the allegations before but it turned out to be true. Wouldn't be surprised if they kept it a secret back then as well. I feel like both aren't mature enough to be in a relationship. Lying to your fans is one thing, I get that given the nature of their fanbase, but turning it into a "he said, she said" situation only makes things worse for them on the long run. That said, I hope they find happiness in their lives and change for the better cuz this aint it.
@@333DOT.what happened in 2018?
@@333DOT. I remember reading japanese doxxer site, they indeed dating back then but then broke up, and then get together again in 2020 or 2021, can't remeber exact details. And Rushia often if not always live together with her boyfriend (After broke up with MafuMafu, she had another boyfriend afterwards). But there's no marriage or pregnancy in the dox site, so it came as a surprise for me, though I doubt about pregnancy or maybe she aborted it?
Mistake in 2:50
Mafumafu claimed that she threatened her ex with SA allegations if he didn't comply with her.
Not that she was actually assaulted.
whats an SA
@@irsblitze1505 sexual assault
sexual asaault @@irsblitze1505
@@irsblitze1505 sexual assault
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ngl this is the most relax and calm drama video i have seen here
I just hope Soju doesn’t delete her channel and is able to find a new oshi to cover (Like she did with Mumei after Rushia’s termination). I only really kept up with Mikeneko post Hololive through Soju.
I hope soju will be our new oshi
I hope she tries out Shiorin
How about give Soju eat a tarantula to comfort his/her heart (chotto matte
Time for her to watch and sub Leos Vincent (just casually promoting my oshi as usual)
Wait jotomate who is soju dale :| ?
0:33
I'm more surprised at the fact that skilled illustrator drawed this meme.
They not just drew that meme, they drew that meme *VERY FAST* in 11 february of 2022.
*drew
I thought it's an AI
@@gardares 2022????
@@celestia277 yes, it's when Rushia went on "hiatus" due to Mafumafu's message on stream the previous day.
I think Mafu made a mistake by jumping into a marriage, but somehow I trust him more than to her
i mean obviously you would trust MafuMafu more than Mikeneko because Mikeneko have a bad history of dealing with stressful situation, all of this mess started because of her to begin with
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 the thing with Mike wanting Mafu's Discord to be online 24-7 is quite literally the best example, because that immediately connects the dots on Rushia's termination being caused by her being incredibly paranoid and always watching his activity, which led to the incident that caused her termination
I don't trust both of them, they full of shit. But I agree at some points he sounds believable. Just at some.
@@silverdededestruction2197it’s so funny that she monitors him 24/7 and then she ends up cheating… you can’t make this shit up
Safe to say we can let the court determine the rest but her admitting she was shitposting about him and had to apologise for it, is quite reprehensible. She was a professional so there are people employed to protect her anonymity. Meanwhile, she used it for personal grudges? If it was true that her side was the one that leaks marriage certification for some reason, well…
So that's why Pekora said she is not in touch with Mikoneko after her termination
She knew this whole time what Mikeneko did.
Or they could've just drifted apart as u would with any coworker tbh
@@kglasses usually when you are same gen and have collabs for so many years together, it tend to be a friendship more than coworker.
But considering how toxic rushia is, no wonder FBK didnt even shed a tear and i dun see any members have overwhelming sadness with her departure...a lot of members were literally crying their heart out when coco graduate. Stark difference.
Menhera is cute when its anime girl...but rl manipulative/gaslighting girl are not for the faint hearted.
@@Baronightthey’re scary irl.. coming from experienced 🫠
@@Baronight Well said. I didn't feel much sadness from the Gen 3 statement video except the boomer pirate.
When the insane yandere bit was not in fact a bit
she is more of a menhera lmao aren't yandere obsessed with one person she cheats
Rushia yelling and harassing her husband, then accusing him of cheating is the most rushia thing btw
It’s the complete menhera experience!
It was all fun and games with Tamaki and Ui
Didn't think we'd get a live action remake that's accurate to the source material!
I couldn't watch rushia's streams because her persona triggered me since they reminded me so much of the abuse i suffered from my ex. i still thought it was just a bit back then but we know now lmao.
She said in a live that she is recovering from a mental health
> called his husband a cheater
> cheats
> blame it on her husband
Hi, I'd like to correct some information that got a bit lost
- Mafu never names Mikeneko at all in his statement, so Mikeneko ending up saying that she was A-san herself was kind of a nail in the coffin
- Mafu did not claim that Mikeneko was SA'd and got pregnant, he claimed that Mikeneko accused another person of SA and got an unrelated person pregnant.
-There is actually photos of Mikeneko's house that MAFUMAFU bought for her. he bought the house, she...well, lets just say there so many boxes in that house
-Mikeneko wanted to hire a private investigator because she had her reasons to believe that Mafu was cheating on her but did not.
-mafu did not name what animal the pets ashes were
-mikeneko says that she did not ask for money until she was handed divorce papers
Disclaimer: I am a not fan of either, Mafumafu PRSK fans once sent me death threats for calling cellphone love story and composing the future mid (they are) (he was literally the worst choice SEGA could choose for N25 imo because his music didnt really reflect the arcs that they would go through at all) and I didn't care for Mikeneko when she was in hololive or vshojo
claims to not ask money but then also claims to ask money 💀
genuine wtf
You either don't speak japanese or don't read it well. She has said she didn't ask for money at first, but THEN asked for it when the whole one-sided divorce thing happened. (She didn't want to divorce.)
Mafu also did not say she hired a private investigator. Mike was the one who talked about one in *her* statement claiming that she had reasons to think Mafumafu was cheating, but since she had not hired a private investigator she had no proofs.
the 2nd point, I knew something was up because I never seen mafumafu make a claim like that only mknk, mknk accused her ex-bf of sa-ing his female manager and then got her pregnant which is pretty fucked up if you ask me
@@roselrii czcams.com/users/liveqWK5iitpEsE?si=GufViMLyR5tb-Rn6
starting at 1:16:20 and around 1:17:25 is where to backup what you said, i guess
Thank you for the short summary, very digestible and easy to understand without it needing to be 20+ minutes long
Thanks for the summary. This whole situation is just a mess. I honestly have no idea what to believe in and I think it is best to wait until more info is shown but in the end, it doesn’t make the two look good at all. I also feel really bad for Soju. I really loved her clips edits and I hope that she doesn’t delete her channel and just moves forward with a new beginning.
Them knowing less than a year is false 😭😭 they’ve known each other for many years back and also had had drama in the past by many Japanese fans speculating that they lived together due to their matching cups and plates design you can even look it up
it's so frustrating, because of the recognition mikeneko got from her vtuber activities, many sources from every direction are coming to speak and many spread misinformation (unknowingly). i dont want the situation to be misunderstood by anyone so it scares me. and it's annoying to see many people who don't care about mafu suddenly want to talk about him because of drama that gets views.
@@333DOT. I get you I've been a fan of the both of them a wholee while back in 2010. That's why I know about the matching cup drama 😥 and the fact that mikeneko has always been problematic and had really bad history with guys (famous big jp youtuber called mahoto) back in the days. History keeps repeating itself 😭😭 I feel bad for mafumafu because he already has had a rough time in the past with people and now this.
Glad I’m not the only one who knew they were friends since 2010. Yeah I believe he thought she was the one after their years of friendship, but turns out she was a pretty good actress.
@@333DOT. Hey, its more Mafumafu's fault for me, lets just not accuse one of them.. a relationship to making it work needs the collaboration of the two.
@@shashastrawberry5574you watched all of this and deduced that this is his fault? Textbook insanity
Soju going through every emotion known to humankind right now
2:07 The fuckn picture on the right 😭
2:35 lol
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Holy shit bro you still active
The format is pretty good and straight to the point. Amazing
I really appreciate succinct summaries with cited sources in this age of drama videos padded out to 20+ minutes to milk all dat ad revenue
Thanks a lot for this summary of the situation, with various reddit posts spreading misinformation this is highly appreciated. And wow, I'm sad for them, hope they'll settle it
Thanks for the summary.
I know that Rushia termination had something to do woth Mafumafu but i didn't bother digging up the info back then. Thanks for bringing up some info in the most understandable way than most youtuber or vtuber explanations. I know that shouldn't trust it all of this since you have to take a grain of salt on the internet. This situation is messier than I thought, kinda reminded me of Abe and Wendy marriage for some reason
Mikeneko's Post: twitter.com/lynde_atr/status/1751698921162723722?s=20
mikenekoko.fanbox.cc/posts/7367782
MafuMafu statements: twitter.com/idkbria/status/1750906672384503868
josei 7: en.p2y.jp/weekly-magazine-josei-7-reported-trouble-between-vtuber-mikeneko-and-singer-mafumafu/
pin please
I was wondering where it was
pin it bro
Omg this vid was so helpful!! I was watching Diamond City Lights and i see comments mentioning mafumafu and im just thinking “who tf is mafumafu and why are we sad for him…?” Lmao thanks for the update!
I really like this style of commentary, simple text that cuts straight to the point with pleasant music and visual gags throughout, I hope you keep doing these kinds of videos.
Thanks man for this video,dont want to look to deep into it. Just keep life as simple as it can get. And love the video as always,thanks man
the only thing i can confirm is water bowls (for pets) will get dirty over time.
And the real question is : why don’t she change it regularly?
As a cats keeper I can confirm, I change their water in the morning and it gonna dirty in the noon
@@user-nn6lu9mm9n she said she renew the water regularly but at the time, she was away for work or sth like that
It truly does but to get water muddy the has to be a lot of time, me dog's bowl only get dusts of dirt and bits of things like after hours, but never muddy, not in a single day.
@@tl5429it still depends, my cat sometimes bring the food into the water bowl, so the water can be muddy sometimes, it is normal to forgot to change the water daily
I didn't even watch any of her streams, I only watched her from Soju but I felt lied to and betrayed for some reason. And I really felt bad for Soju.
Thanks for making it simple to understand. Most channels produce long videos unnecessarily
I’m not even a Mafumafu fan but yikes… he already has a history of being betrayed and harassed by people he trusted. Poor guy can’t catch a break.
He willingly walked into a minefield here (they knew each other since some 2011 and weren't, in fact, married when she started doing the yandere Rushia streams).
Don't feel sorry he stepped on a mine.
@@LecherousLizard acting crazy for an audience doesn’t mean you’re actually crazy irl, Mikeneko is just a special case. And during most of that time they’re just acquaintances not close friends (she messaged Korekore to dig up info on Mafumafu’s personal life) so I don’t blame him for not knowing.
@@user-gz3wk1mr1v I've long ago noticed that vtubers (at least in Hololive) are unable to maintain the persona for longer than a few streams.
For example if you've seen very old clips from the person behind Korone, you'd know the girl hasn't changed one bit in the past 15 years. She basically defaulted to her irl behavior during the debut stream.
Meanwhile here we have Mikeneko who did the menhera "act" for, what, 3 years before she got fired? Yes, it's a bit more exaggerated as Rushia, but she still behaved pretty much the same after she joined vshojo and now after she went back to being Mikeneko (officially).
You'd honestly have to have zero interest in the person, if you didn't notice the red flags before the plates started flying or whatever. (I'd fix her though)
this video is insane, how can it be so clear and quick
Crazy binch then, carry on gentlemen thank you for the briefing
Thanks for the explanation, I think it's best to just nope outta this one. At some point I think it hits too much drama even for drama channels
The goat, this man is the goat. Thank you for making a short video to summarize everything lmao.
Learning about other peoples private life who honestly, have no impact over me whatsoever (Well, MafuMafu is fucken amazing singer and producer ngl) over some chill background music is a mood I can't describe.
Thank you for explaining it to me in a timely manner that doesn’t involve 10-20min of fluff
Never liked Rushia, a cesspool of red flags.
I've watched her streams
Don't know which is which really from just the vod alone but it seems to go even deeper than I initially thought. Unfortunate.
I was listening to mafu mafu in my hardest time ever, he really helped me for the past years with his amazing music. Seeing how he was treated was so heart broken😢
He publicly disowned his wife and made just as many accusations as she did.
At best they both deserved the treatment they got, but realistically he's more at fault here. There's no way in hell he wasn't aware she's a schizo and still thought "I can fix her".
@@LecherousLizard "He publicly disowned his wife", no, he divorced her. That's how you escape crazy people, which he did correctly. And "There's no way in hell he wasn't aware she's a schizo and still thought "I can fix her". He lived with her for 9 months, people live with their abusers for years and can't escape. His case was pretty quick. "He's more at fault here", that's disgusting victim blaming and you should be ashamed of yourself. People like you are what destroy others' faith in humanity. Absolutely disgusting. Then again, you're probably not different from her either, or you're like 12, or have autism lol
Thank you very much!
this was genuinely very helpful thank you
Yagoo dodged not a bullet but an a bomb
fr lmao if this comeout while she is still there the whole dapartement gonna fall
Bro dodged an effing nuke
Straight to the point I like it.
Never went as hard as some in the vtubing involvement, but thanks for this short summary although it seems a lot of infos left and right seem to be claimed both true and false by different people, at least it gives a general picture of what's happening.
I'm more woried about soju than anything they're going Through
fo real though
Who’s soju
@@guanluo3279 mikeneko clipper
@@alephzero1984now what's that?
@@twastea1494soju is a clipper who frequently posts shorts from mikeneko's streams. Her channel's existence was solely because of mikeneko. But now knowing that mikeneko is not who she thought, she's contemplating on quitting.
I wish all drama/news was portrayed like this. Amazing video!
I love drama being retold to me in this form. ❤️❤️❤️
Most efficient 3 minutes and 35 seconds of my life. You saved me a good 20 minutes there dude, tysm for the vid ❤
I want someone who cover the jp fan discord server with the malding users, I saw a snippet of someone losing their mind over rushia/mikeneko and I want to see more, what they are saying etc.
This whole situation Is a mess, but thank you for making it more digestible than the drama commentators that bloat it to 20 minutes.
I used to watch Mikeneko, before this mess, i have been listening to mafumafu for a long time and still am.
I thought for a second Mikeneko and Mafumafu were the same person. They look eerily similar.
I am not really into Vtubers or Live Streams but this topic would once in a while show up in my recommendations, Knew a few bits and pieces during the months. Nice to get a bite-size of what the whole fuss was about on what my weeb homies were yapping about
I been following MafuMafu for a long time in terms of his creativity, but I didn't know who he was beyond the songs. However, it so happened that while watching one video, a certain situation related to MafuMafu and his wife from Holostars was mentioned. But it so happened that there are simply no videos dedicated to this topic in my native language, and I didn't want to delve into English-language videos without subtitles. And all this explanation was just to express incredibly great gratitude to the author of the video)
Haven't watched a single vtuber since Coco graduated, but still watched the entire video because this shit lowkey informational af. Still have no idea what's happening though.
I had no idea about anything from halfway point and onwards in the video, including the marriage. All those drama youtubers kept feeding the drama but never actually explaining what was going on.
I knew mike was a bit messed up with her whole yandere/menhera thing but i thought it was mostly a gig and she was just insecure, but there's way more to it apparently.
It may come as a shock to you, but most vtubers (at least in Hololive, I've not watched much of anybody else since Lulu from Nijisanji graduated) drop their persona very early on.
For example Korone already defaulted to her actual personality in her debut stream. Trust me on this, I've seen her first Nico streams from like 2010, she didn't change one bit.
Mafumafu willingly walked into a minefield and got surprised when his proverbial leg blew off.
Tnq .......rushia really was messy just hope it resolve for both without too much backlash for them as long as its another amber Heard crazy
This video help me alot
thank you sir for this great contribution towards tea that happens o7
>thanks for watching
Thanks for uploading. Best channel literally just provide info and no nonesense
Tbh they already know each other since 2013 or 2014. And both if them do singing/cover song activities with some stream on twitcast and niconico douga.
Perhaps like they at same circle of friends but not circle of best friends.
2011 actually
After 2:20 is just mikeneko saying "yes... but" and i found that funny
She shouldn't have admitted to making the slanderous posts. Big mistake because now he's gonna destroy her in court. She should've taken her own advice and not said a damn thing. It hurts her credibility a lot as well, since trying to ruin somebodies reputation with anonymous posting aligns with the behaviour of an abusive person.
All in all, I'm sure they're both toxic as hell. Anyone that followed Rushia knew she was a bit twisted. It doesn't come as much of a surprise to me. It's a shame that idol-related careers are so anti-marriage. The secrecy and restriction certainly wouldn't have helped the situation. Hopefully she can use this experience to gain insight into herself and the world, and eventually find peace. This kind of situation is incredibly common all across the world. It's what happens when people with personality/mood disorders fall in love.
I couldn't find anything wiser than this comment
From lovey Dovey to complete Strangers with beef...lol
Just when I thought things wouldn't get even worse for mafumafu (2017, a friend stole mafumafu's song)
I get it with him playing victim he might be anxious people won't believe what he said with all that gachikoi
This is an awesome summation
Wonder if you can do one about Zaion and Selen’s terminations
Man, I was there when Rushia got terminated from HL. I remembered the video of her crying on stream.
I was so glad that it was over and she got a fresh start as Mike, but now?
I don't know man. I wanted her to be happy but now I'm not sure who to believe.
the fact that other holomem didn't talk much about her unlike coco and mel should have open your eyes she is problematic
@@fikrifahrizal482Coco left on her own accord though. Had a graduation stream and all.
In case of Rushia, she was fired, so most of Holomems felt compelled to not mention her, likely due to suggestion from Cover too (major exceptions being Marine and, iirc, Akirose).
No idea about Mel though, but from what I heard her reason for being fired was worse than Rushia's. I guess, Holomems have since learned it's not that taboo to speak about terminated members?
For example Pekora outright mentioned Rushia when she was raiding her Minecraft house on the Hololive server as if she was on a vacation or something, so... yeah.
Don’t forget that Rushia(Mikeneko) was selling “engagement rings” to her fans when she was suspected to be dating Mafumafu. The NTR brain damage that fans experienced warranted the rings to be classified as “special grade cursed objects” (their words not mine).
Their cursed energy is even more powerful now that everyone knows she had been already married by the time she had sold those rings. With all the drama attached it’s almost unbeatable.
Bro, that's a true lobotomy kaisen moment
Forgot to add Mikeneko wrote those statements and left them behind a paywall on her Fanbox
i havent been following vtubing for a while but i had to see what all this drama was about. Perfect video for my tiny brain
Hellooooo i came back days ago and wow a lot is happening and has happened ! Always glad to see you ❤
Note to myself
Mikeneko = girl
Mafumafu= boy
I'm honestly questioning if bro went through puberty, because this just seem sad.
@@LecherousLizard ?
@@Lol99410 I mean, the way dude looks and sounds, you'd think he's a girl.
To me it feels like losing the genetic lottery quite badly, hence it's sad.
I think his voice is fine. Its very high but its not weird weird. Plus it could be some genetic thingy like with Chinese singer zhou shen
In conclusion: the menhera part were never an act after all.
Wait, you needed a confirmation on that?
Bro said "I can fix her" but got broken instead
Ahh thanks for saving my time.
Lmao so all the 'haters' when she was terminated as rushia were all saying the truth.
The most painful part of this whole ordeal is seeing Soju go through it.
I just knew this issue. I thought there was nothing between them after mikeneko retired on Hololive however I didn't knew they were dating. I have been a fan of Mafu and I was happy to know that he is starting to date and find someone for him bcz he's a hikikomori before. Knowing that there's a lot of problem, I don't think I can trust anyone now. Mikeneko is nice and so does Mafu in my pov but we shouldn't intervene with their own issues. Sometimes what we thought the bad one is, is not really the bad one.
Bro walked into a minefield on his own without equipment or knowledge how to find and disable mines.
2:50 isnt this where they had a mutual called c san which was mike neko ex and he would always try to break up their fights but i may be wrong
exactly
yes, and this C-san would always side w/ Neko and make Mafu believe he's the wrong one in the argument, a form of gaslighting
@@2Btoobee No, he was threated. Mike threated him for SA if he disobeys her. Then later he said he will be side with Mafu if needed.
She’s scary
2:57 As a dog owner yes, mine plays a lot, bites things and she constantly gets her water a bit dirty, key word, a bit. I have to change it quite often but it never passes from a bit of dirt and even bites of leaves but never muddy wth, the poor cat must have drinking more dirt than ions in that water
Most sane Vtuber
the muddy water is kinda true, my cats were somehow able to turn the water muddy after i leave them for a while 😂 if its a blind cat then its more surprise it happen more often
I just know that kitty🐈 was insane with how she acted
The thing is, I dont really care about Mafumafu or Rushia, but Soju... Oh man, poor girl...
Man that scream at 1:08 woke me up
DO MORE OF THIS I SWEAR IDIOTS LIKE ME WILL WATCH YOUR VIDEOS BY THE THOUSANDS IF YOU JUST TO THIS EXACT THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN 10/10 direct simple and easy to understand. Also nice music.
1:22 I think that's supposed to say 2024
"Knowing each other for less than a year"
I don't think I need to finish the video to understand most of the situation here
They've known each other since at least 2011 though.
At best they've been in a relationship for less than a year.
Hope Mafu is okay...
01:33 its 2024 😭😭
is it just me or mikeneko and mafumafu had drama all the way back in 2018 because they had couple matching stuff like cups? iirc it was cat mugs and their tails made a heart or something lol, i remember this being brought up during her hololive suspension.
The date said 1/25/2023. This really is 2023 part 2 huh😩
Oh boy, that was wild read. Now, I know the whole story. These people should never marry again or take any relationships, both have trust issues. Now, Thanks for video.
The situation seems to have gotten worse for Mikeneko, today a Twitter post from a friend of hers just came out stating that Mikeneko is in the hospital for an attempt on her own life, I don't blame the guy (mafumafu) for exposing her but maybe Making it so public gave the haters tools to make life hell.
i remember the whole Rushia-MafuMafu incident vividly because it happened the same day russia attcaked ukraine
Will this be another Ember Heart and Johnny Depp moments 😂
yes, with how bad rushia handel stressful moment i hope she said some funny line just like ember's "my dog stepped on a bees"
mafumafu is the most innocent guy i ever seen bruh, dude agreed to buy her a whole house for them to live in but it's only her living in it while he have to stay in his rented apartment, fckin unbelievable.
Beautiful
I'm here for the drama, but stayed for the BGM.. anyone knows the song playing in the background?
My god, what a mess. Guys you should't marry people you don't know well. And also, cheaters always project their insecurities onto you, if they accuse you to cheat they are most likely cheating on you, it was proven time and time again.
I'm sad for Mafumafu though, us fans know he is a person with trust issues and mental health issues, who had some bad experiences before in his carreer and personal life.
Ofc I wasn't aware he was married during that time, I only knew recently like everyone, but when I was thinking about "what if he finds someone", I was hoping the girl he will marry would made him happy, not bring his mental health even lower that it was before !
Mikeneko seems to have turn into a literal bully right there ! Didn't she thought "well Mafumafu had met enough bullies in his life, let's treat him right ?" But maybe she was just very insecure too. But cheating is unforgivable anyway 😢
>cheaters^ always project their^ insecurities onto you
Don't be a fool. There are several types of adulterers and most of them know better that you should never mention cheating at all. Meanwhile honest adulterers are quite open about cheating and probably will try to talk about open relationships or poly relations, otherwise they would tell you straight that they cheated.
p.s. "cheating is unforgivable^" is pretty ironic in our society of serial monogamy.
@@gardares Yeah sorry for the typos, english isn't my native language and I typed this at 3 am
@@gardares Well personally I can't understand cheating, an "honest adulterer" is an oxymore for me. If you love a person you don't cheat, and if you don't love them anymore and want to cheat, it's not hard to quit the person first before you jumps on another one. The subject of open relationships should be discussed at the beginning, before even sleeping together, as it's a dealbreaker (just like wanting kids or not). If the other person said yes to an open relationship then it's not cheating
@@Aurorya well, *love* is not always the case in today's messed up world (especially since too many people confuse attraction with affection and when attraction is gone relations suddenly becoming toxic) plus there are various circumstances that could lead even relationships with love to cheating (most common is one that occurs because of alcohol or other drugs).
Plus, humans are not very logical specie, we don't tend to think through literally everything in advance. You may think - *oh, I'll do this, I like this idea* and you realise postfactum that you love other person, you cheated or anything else.
We don’t have enough story to prove that Mikeneko had no reason to accuse of cheating, so we can’t know if that accusation was a projection or not. Also, both sides are probably lying right now, to get their point across no matter whose fault it is