In The Aftermath: Scrambling An Angel's Egg (ANIME ABANDON)
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Mamoru Oshii's Angel's Egg is a tragically beautiful anime, and might very well be the best anime to never get an American release.
The sad part, though? We almost got one, but a terrible movie might have dashed any hopes.
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0:00 - Intro
2:12 - Part 1: What Is Angel's Egg?
12:03 - Part 2: What The Hell Is This?
21:07 - Part 3: What Is The Lesson?
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Cant help but wonder how the timeline would change if David Lynch was able to distrubute Angels Egg. His films have a similar uncomfortable arthouse movie energy.
If there was any anime that Lynch could take a crack at, it would be Angel's Egg.
@@BennettTheSage "Take a crack at?"... I see what ya did there. XD
I dunno. Angel's Egg feels more like an Andrei Tarkovsky film to me.
@@Dear1Stupit1Dog For about a year, Angel's Egg and Tarkovsky both existed in this world, the film being released in December 1985 and Tarkvosky dying in December 1986. It overwhelmingly certain that he never even knew of its existence, but the fact amuses me.
Funny enough, David Lynch was going to direct a live-action adaptation of Katsuhiro Otomo's Domu: A Child's Dream that was canceled in the 90s.
That would've been cool if it had happened.
Even Guillermo Del Toro tried after Blade 2 did well at the box office but couldn't make it due to having trouble getting the live-action rights.
I have to confess - I caught "In The Aftermath" late one night and was captivated by the anime sections - I looked at the end titles and made it my mission to track down Angel's Egg, which I finally did in 1997, on a Japanese DVD, direct from Japan. I had to get a region-free DVD player to watch it, but that was how deep into the movie I had gotten, and it was worth every second of research, every minute of waiting for the DVD to arrive, and every penny spent on the disc and player. A true masterpiece in every way, one I return to again and again, and possibly my favorite anime of all time (and I was around for the "golden age" of the late 80s and early 90s!)
Anime Abandon is a goldmine. I click on the video, get the gist of the anime, stop the video to go watch said anime, and then come back to watch the analysis.
I like to think of the show as the cool older brother that a lot of us never got, introducing us to cool stuff we wouldn't hear about otherwise.
@@BennettTheSage like an internet toonami
@@BennettTheSage oh it absolutely nails that
@@BennettTheSage that is absolutely what your show has always been to me.
You know, I think this is actually quite thematically appropriate. Angel's Egg seems to be all about the struggle to retain hope in a dark, dying world. What inspires more hopelessness than live action anime adaptations and the childish hoarding of IPs by megacorporations?
WHAT THE... as soon as I saw the live action footage of Clive Owen my jaw dropped.
Yeah, definitely a spit-take worthy moment >.
Sage: shows movie.
Me: “what the fuck is this how did this happen!?!
Sage: “so the distribution rights were bought by New World Pictures…”
Me: “ah, there we go, say no more”.
Hideaki Anno: I made anime full of abstract images and Christian symbolism which confused many viewers.
Mamoru Oshii: Hold my egg…
Anno left the Angels Egg production becuase he thought it was too weird.
Agarrame el huevo
@@durfdurffigan8680 Wait, really?
@@durfdurffigan8680 source: trust me bro
I heard he went to seminary school at one point
The live action bits look like something Rich Evans would vote "destroy" on
Honestly, I wouldn't blame him.
And where Jay knows every obscure actor thats in it
I have heard of In The Aftermath, but this is the first time I've heard of it having gotten a remastered release as recent as 2019 and yet Angel's Egg didn't. What a slap to the face that is, and an even more painful one if it turns out that film did cause enough of a legal kerfuffle to withhold Angel's Egg from a proper international release for decades. This kind of shit is why piracy still remains a necessity when it comes to preserving media as intended.
Also, I just felt like adding something about Oshii's rejected Lupin III film: Oshii planned for that film to be Lupin's "final chapter", as in it would put an end to the character by having him literally steal himself away from the meta. Toho rejected his pitch because they just wanted another light-hearted heist movie in a similar vein to Castle of Cagliostro and not something this high-concept. Oshii would actually go on to write a few episodes of Lupin III Part 6, one of which (Episode 10 "Darwin's Bird") pays homage to the Lupin film he never got to make.
Angel's Egg did get a remastered release, but only in Japan ofc, back in 2007 when it got a BD right before licensing issues prevented it from further re-releases even in Japan
It's about damn time you talked about Angel's Egg! This one still fascinates me to this day. The art, the music, the ambience, lord almighty there's so much to unpack. Love it. Not in my top 10 but I still love it.
Highschool of the Dead was a brand new show when Anime Abandon started, and now it is an eligible title.
Well it seems like now every anime now seems to have our protagonists teleported to some world that looks a lot like Medieval Europe. But with a bunch of fairies and dragons and whatnot.
I love me some Garzey's Wing!
Do not compare Japanese High Fantasy with Medieval Europe.
@@TheRezro thats basically by definition the archetype of "high fantasy"....
@@coyoteblue4027 That is common misconception. Technologically most High Fantasy is more closer to XVI century (just without the guns). Technically Medieval Fantasy is separate sub-genre and Japanese interpretations go even beyond that.
@@TheRezro I'd say at most one could argue it's a mixed bag ranging from middle ages to early rennaissance, but thats splitting hairs and missing the point, in a sense. Generally political systems in high fantasy tend to have a strongly feudal bent, if allowing space for some aesthetic nods to later court mechanics. The general differences between japanese high fantasy story telling and european are largely no more impressive or thoughtful than european stories with a setting modelled after or informed by literally anywhere else than europe, vs actual stories from those places. It's just reflective of a general disinterest in other cultures as they actually exist, rather than as exotified objects. Same same, if you ask me.
Angel's Egg bears a lot of striking resemblances to cult darling Book of the New Sun. In fact, Yoshitaka Amano did the covers for the Japanese versions of the book. I can't possibly imagine that's a coincidence(it's the image at 10:19, that's for the first volume of the book, Shadow of the Torturer).
The guy really seems to like making art of white-haired, stoic warriors, between this, New Sun, the protagonists of all the Final Fantasies until 6, Amon Saga, Heroic Legend of Arsland… I’m sure the list goes on.
@@oneinathousand2156 Don't forget Vampire Hunter D whose world, again, strikingly resembles this.
Book Of The New Sun is so underrated
@@oneinathousand2156 Until 6? there's an image of the cast of 8 that he did and they all have white hair
@@BJGvideos he wasn't a character designer on 8, he was doing just character artwork and illustrations (designer is a separate role)
he was a character designer again on 9 though, not any of the other listed final fantasy games though that i can parse from his ungodly long list of jobs he's done with the studio (he does seeming almost all the logos though)
13:52 - 14:32
Imagine if Angel's Egg is given the OFFICIAL Ghost Stories 'Abridged Dub Style' treatment... 😱
Carnavalito Tango is sincerely one my favourite songs. It thrills me every time I hear it. I absolutely adore it’s rollicking yet ominous melody.
And it’s from In The Aftermath.
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8:38 From my experience with Japanese franchises such as Shin Megami Tensei and Okami, a machine god (who may be the God) is commonly depicted as orb in shape of the eye. It is obvious reference to symbol of Eye of Providence, but it may be also something related to Japanese hidden Christian sects (I did see reference in various sources). What are commonly depicted in malicious way, as Christianity was banned in Japan for long time and Christians were treated with suspicion. Half closed eye is commonly used for depiction of malicious apathy.
Planning on taking a trip to Italy next year with my family, barring any further unforseen world events... I took up the Rosetta Stone offer to pick up some Italian before then and re-up on some Chinese I took a few years ago. Thank you for the recommendation.
Please watch Outlanders,Puni Puni Poemi,Maris the Choujo,Fire tripper,Laughing target,One pund Gospel,Ningyo no Mori,Ruins explorers,Hannape Bazooka
Unrelated to this video, why is your Golgo 13 review unavailable?
Not a horror anime. But a beautifully haunting anime.
I don't know if that adaptation was supposed to be "Kung Pow - Enter the Fist" or "Who framed Roger Rabbit", but it ended up as "The Conqueror"
Sage talking about how Angel's Egg was bastardized by New World is one Halloween scare I wasn't expecting!
Happy Halloween, Bennett White!
I've been waiting so long for a review of Angel's Egg. And it's finally here on Halloween too. This film has been deeply imprinted into me from years ago and instantly became a favorite. It's inspired me. And I finally get to watch my favorite anime review channel give it some deserved attention. Thank you, Sage~
I remember the first time I saw Angel Egg and I thought it was both an pretty immersing and fasnating but also a very hauntingly beautiful nice surreal experience of a anime. Its for sure definitely isn't for everybody, but I'll say it still worth a watch even only for one time.
IF Berserk is the father of the Dark Souls series aesthetic, Angel Egg is the mother. Myazaki even specifically called out angel egg as one of his major artistic inspirations for Dark Soul's universe. pretty easy to see if you are familiar with all three properties......and it bears mentioning because until I became a dark souls fan I had never heard of Angel Egg, and now it is one of my Go-To IPs to point at when arguing the artistic merit of anime with normies.
Angel Egg is one of my favorite anime. It introduced me to the concept of “Ma”. I’m so happy this adaptation wasn’t my introduction to the source material.
Interestingly Oshi did eventually get to write some episodes for Lupin, and yes they are very out there.
I hope you talk about The Sky Crawlers someday. It’s probably Oshii’s most under the radar project, even with Angel’s Egg.
I’m lucky I could find an Angels Egg DVD online.
I’d rather not have In the Aftermath be my only option if I want to own this film.
I actually saw this very late one weekend night or weekday summer night on a British terrestrial channel when I was a kid. I only saw a little of it, feel asleep about half way through, still thought it was mind-blowing (the imagery, especially of the ghosts hunting shadows of Coelocanths really struck me) and then years later when I was a teenager read about it in SFX magazine, and spent a long time after sporadically looking for the Anime. When I finally saw it all on CZcams a couple of years ago it was like completing a quest.
From what I understand in regards to the rights issue, Fox only acquired New World's TV stations and production facilities, while the film library itself was purchased by Lakeshore Entertainment, which in turn licenced "In the Aftermath" to Arrow Video.
Fascinating look into the muddied history of Angel’s Egg. And I look forward to your High School of the Dead review,
Hopefully one day you’ll review the Hinotori OVAs.
I remember watching Angel’s Egg on CZcams back when I was a teenager and not “getting it”. Maybe if I watch it again maybe I’ll come to some understanding better. I do recall listening to the soundtrack over and over lol
I even found an Italian sub here on CZcams, I now know what to watch tonight.
From what I get from your review it feels a bit like the movie The Road with Viggo Mortnesen as far as ambience goes. It just lacks the cannibalistic scavengers, or other living humans.
Having hope for "Angel's Egg" getting an official release in its original state isn't all that different from my hope of "Rosario + Vampire" getting an anime adaptation that follows both seasons of the manga to the letter. ESPECIALLY season 2. I don't have a lot of hope, but I do have some. Maybe it won't happen today, tomorrow, next week, next month, or even next year. But maybe someday.
I had learned about this awhile ago and had watched it with my friends, the biggest shocker to me was how it tried to be all moody and philisophical, I fully expected it to be some typical 80s ass action flick before I watched it.
That live action Angel's Egg looks like a complete & utter abomination, at the: destroy it with fire level; I hope that no one ever stumbles across that abomination when they are trying to find the real Angel's Egg.
I don't want Mickey doing anything with this title. Also can't wait for your opinion on HOTD.
Don't worry. Lakeshore Entertainment and Vine Alternative Investments have the rights, not Disney.
@@JohnPannozzi Ah ok.
Always loved these more art house style of anime like this and Belladonna of Sadness. Also appreciate the Madness t-shirt you where wearing lol. Ya'know, you always did go a little...ahem..."one step beyond" for us.....
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....I'll see myself out.
Out of... "our house"? 😏😉
@@alessandrobaggi6129 ahaa! Love it! I will leave and take my "Baggy trousers" with me ;)
@@alessandrobaggi6129 on the wings of a dove (driving a Transit van out of a plane in flight)?
I heard about how this film was inspired by Andrei Tartakovsky's art films. Truthfully I must admit that I've never seen or heard of any of them myself. I know I've seen Angel's Egg before, but oddly I can't remember much about it. Seeing the clip of that giant eyeball-like thing at 8:40 of this video reminds me of the Ameno-Sagiri boss fight from Persona 4 & Persona 4: Golden though! It leads me to wonder if a member of the design team saw Angel's Egg or if it's just a HUGE coincidence! The mixing of live-action with anime footage reminds me of another anime title I've seen recently on Tubi TV. It's a film that was a Russian co-production called "First Squad: The Moment of Truth." The version shown on Tubi TV has live-action parts, but weirdly enough these live-action parts SEEM like the filmmakers are framing it as a documentary about the Russian military in WWII! The problem with that is that the events of the animated parts of this anime film are so BATSH*T INSANE that there's absolutely NO WAY any of it could be true! If you haven't seen it, then you REALLY should because you'll see what I mean!
Angels Egg is honestly one of the animes I can just put on in the background I like the sound and atmosphere of it it gives me a chill vibe lol
If Disney owns the rights to Angel's Egg, does that make the little girl a Disney Princess? Also, given Disney's recent approach to content generation, Angel's Egg could end up with the two worst anime-to-live-action adaptations.
Sad that there isn't a single mention of how the art of Angel's Egg inspired the art direction of Hollow Knight...that fact is how I found out about this amazing film.
I’d love to see your review of Saber Marionette J. I think you’re the only person that could really give it a fair shake and analysis, but it’s definitely an undertaking, as there are roughly about three seasons and a short OVA series overall but it has a special place in my childhood, as well as a series that tackled some interesting things that were really ahead of its time.
Hey good news! Angel's Egg is getting a 4K remaster to be released worldwide due out 2025!
Brilliant idea to save on script rewrites when you really don't have one in the first place. 22:06-22:13 The director just told them say first thing that comes to mind.
There were recent rumors that Criterion is supposedly working on a release of Angel's Egg, but we'll see if that holds any water.
Lesson is: Old Anime licencing is still fucked.
I think the high-profile casualties often seemingly eclipse how many older anime get licensed nowadays via the likes of RetroCrush, Discotek, Animeigo, etc. It can be often easy to forget how many incredible shows that went under the radar for decades have received a new lease of life from these companies.
THANK YOU I have been searching for this movie for about 22 years for some reason i never put it together it was just a butchered version of Angel Egg i caught it about half way thru on Sci Fi channel and really liked the piano piece and thought it was a fever dream of a movie or i dreamed i watched it
Finally looked up the original movie on youtube. Boy was that a trip.
nice to see anyone cover this since it has been mostly forgotten despite how well made it is
Anime Abandon?! LETS GO
My brother in christ straight up plugs Rosetta Stone after pronouncing Oshii "O-shee-eee"
My friend introduced me to Angel’s Egg last year.
It’s an absolute beautiful extreme slow burn that makes you ponder.
Yay! Can’t wait for next time! That was one of my first variety if anime I saw in its English dub. Back when I had bright house and they had a small anime selection, there being Abinobashi Shopping Arcade, Mahoro-matic maide, and High School of the Dead! Sick!
The intro just started and already my mind is blown
The dangerous filming conditions reminds me of Andrei Tarkovsky's Stalker
I remember Angel egg getting a DVD release from manga entertainment.
Didn’t think this would be something I would enjoy, but watching it on CZcams a couple years ago it always stuck with me
I still can't believe this movie exists. I remember finding it cause I was looking up a apocalypse movie on Best of the Worst. Such a disappointment because I have been a huge fan of Angel's Egg since watched it in 2018. I was able to get a friend that worked at a theater to put it on the big screen. What a fucking amazing time absolute beauty. This movie though sucks.
Watch some of Oshii's lesser known work. it's full of scenes like the one described around the 7 minute mark.
My big hope is that TMS will cut the knot a put up a copy on their official US youtube channel. It worked for Ghost Sweeper Mikami.
"I can't very well say I've seen anything that's _like_ "In the aftermath": A weird, Bizarre Hodgepodge of anime, live action, and post-apocalypse science fiction." So.... Twilight of the Cockroaches?
Thanks! Now im reminded to see Red Letter Media's "Best Of The Worst" take on Terror At Beverly Hills. Cameron Mitchell at his finest. SHUT THE !@#$ DOOR!
7:28 I can't help but think that this thing inspired the design of Amano-Sagiri from Persona 4. I'm not the only one who sees that right?
AE is a highly influential anime, especially among animators/artists, so it wouldn't surprise me.
4:00 dare I ask what censor Kaiser was hiding back there?
I acquired my copy of Angels Egg, back in 2016. Its an odd movie, but not bad. I have to be in the right mood to watch it.
Angel's Egg is one of those titles that I appreciate the exists of, but outside of the visuals nothing else really interests me. Thanks for explaining the Live Action Movie, I could never figure out why it had clips of Angel's Egg in it.
I love Angel's Egg. I met Yoshitaka Amano in 2021 and he signed something for me and I asked him about Angel's Egg and the translator says he doesn't remember it lol. He's had a career since 19 yrs old so it makes sense.
Visuals taking center stage in a visual medium is something i def miss.
That “what the hell is this?” Transition was fuckin gold lmao
Sad that unnecessary live action adaptations of anime are going to continue for the foreseeable future. Just found out about the existence of a live action adaptation of Your Name that's in the works. At this point I'm waiting for the announcement of something like a live action adaptation or Mewtwo Strikes Back style fully CGI remake of Yugioh The Movie: The Pyramid Of Light.
I knew you will say the right words.
And those were: "This would never ever be done today."
*These were the exact words I've been thinking while watching Angel's Egg in a bathtub, in complete darkness, out of the blue.*
I couldnt think of 2 anime that couldnt be MORE different than angels egg and the next videos anime.
Ahh HoTD. Where even Team Ninja would beg you to tone down the jiggle physics
WHen I saw Angels egg years ago, for all I know it was on an independent cable access channel in the late 1990s...I liked it. I may have seen it once or twice more since, but I should really revisit it as the dark starkness of it was artisically pleasing to me on a weirdly innate level. Weird = good sometimes, ya know? :P Be well!
Awesome video man 😎!
I been anime fan aka anime freak about 26 years since 1996. I watch anime with classic, retro and new oh plus I watch subtitles or dub.
I never tought I'd see Cameron Mitchell in an Anime Abandon video.
Wow, how did I _not_ know about In The Aftermath, this is completely wild.
The funny thing is that it was on Hulu a couple of years back. I regret not getting around to it then.
Ok, I stopped the video to go seek this Egg you speak about. I will come to finish watching later.
Will you ever make a review for Urusei Yatsura Movie?
Happy Halloween!
I was really relating to the end of the video. I never thought *Kamen Rider* would start to get official releases here in the west, but now we have Zero-One and Kuuga on Blu Ray, with Black coming next year!
How did I not know of this embarrassment? Angel's Egg is a solid 7/10 of course.
I first heard of Angel's Egg a few years ago when VaatiVidya talked about it's influence on Darks Souls 3 in it's Ringed City DLC
I'm sorry, but I just found the "it's so dull, it has a three minute filler piano montage" kind of hilarious after earlier in the video you showed us a shot of the girl tossing in her sleep with a note saying it lasted 2.5 min. I haven't seen either so I have no context, and I'm positive that the sleeping girl had more artistry behind it than the piano scene, but I couldn't help but think I'd probably still rather sit through the piano scene as at least it has music, lol. But such movies really aren't my thing, so take my opinion with a pretty big grain of salt. I enjoy learning about such movies/OVAs/series through this channel, though, so thanks for all the hard work and research that goes into these!
Aw no... when I read about what they did to Angel's Egg, I thought it would just cut between the original footage and the "new" footage, not green screen. I know it's kinda bad of me to say, but there are some older "edited" adaptations I enjoy- Star Blazers, Robotech, etc... In The Aftermath, however, does not look like one of them.
Meh, enjoy what you enjoy. I'm sure there are plenty of 80s kids who have a soft spot for Robotech, even if the actual Macross is better.
Starlight, flashing, the feeling's smashing . . .
@@jasonblalock4429 while I agree Macross fares better in its original form, I kinda prefer Southern Cross and Mospeada in their Robotech versions, as the ending to the former feels more conclusive and the latter feels less generically derivative. I know some curse Carl Macek's name to this day, but say what you will about his writing practices, it's important to remember that the decades-long licensing fiasco was the doing of Harmony Gold itself, not Macek.
I saw angels egg floating around on CZcams and just never gave it a second look but I think I will finally check it out. Also can't wait for highschool of the dead discussion lol
Considering all the live action movies mamoru has made I’m surprised he didn’t make it himself
holy fuckin shit, Angel's Egg is one of my all time favourites, but i didn't knew of this bastardized live action... treatment they did.
I did check out Angel's Egg before finishing the review.
1:38 Me: WT...
Sage: I sense you have some questions.
I know it's not a good film, but there is something about In The Aftermath that I enjoy and I can't quite place it. Though even I'm shocked that a distributer went to the effort of a behind the scenes documentary. Am I right in thinking Arrow/Shout Factory?
Edit: I watched to the end lol
honestly the use of an actually abandoned refinery as a set is a pretty cool idea even if its dangerous and absolutely wouldnt fly today, it did look like an authentic location when I first watched it. So I'll give it that.
Something that was missed in this review, somehow In The Aftermath got a limited theatrical run in Australia. Go figure.
How's going sage 👍🏼 you get me to like some the anime you wach your channel
Goes alright! Glad to hear you check out some of the anime I talk about :)
@@BennettTheSage no problem dude your channel rocks and Hilarious keep up the good work.
I remember this anime years ago. Crazy.
6:05 Daily Reminder that the Bubble enconomy was ruined by an eye patched Yakuza giving advice on tax laws that ended up going through. Thanks Majima
Of course Roger Corman was involved in this somehow
Only indirectly. He had sold New World in 1984, four years before In the Aftermath came out.
At least it is getting a 4K release in Japan, struck from the original film print.
15:55 is that cameron mitchell?
what movie
Terror in Beverly Hills, with Frank Stallone
And he ignores Netflix Deathnote