The Leather Element: White Glue vs. Contact Cement
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Chuck Dorsett from Weaver Leathercraft is back with another episode of "The Leather Element." This week's episode takes a look at leather adhesives. When is it best to use white glue? How about contact cement? Watch this video before you buy any leather adhesive - you may even learn additional leathercraft tips along the way!
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This might be the perfect yt video. Gets in, answers the question directly, gives a few tips and gets out all under 3 minutes. Well done.
True, I remember searching vids about leather glues.
Guess what, I got paper glue answers wtf
Turning the can upsidown works with paint tins too. Stops them going bad as it limits any air leaks getting to the surface area inside.
That’s a great idea. My grandmother used to run hot water over metal jars to loosen them. I’ve also laced it with a little bit of petroleum jelly, but up-side down would be the simplest
A technique I use when my lid gets stuck is I heat it with a heat gun or blow dryer for 30 seconds to a minute, then use an oven mitt to open the lid. Works every time.
Solving problem with sticking caps: I smear some Vaseline Petroleum Jelly on the threads. The cap seals tightly but never sticks.
was gonna say the same thing, works great for many glues
i do this too works on all types even super glue and does seem to me also that the contact cement never starts to dry out in the bottle
Great tip! You might want to clean the screw threads on the lid and on the can after each use. You’ll be able to open the can like it was brand new every time. Just like you always say new project, new blade. It’s just a matter of housekeeping every time you use the rubber cement. Just use a “dry” paper towel or a rag to wipe the threads clean and you’re good to go.
Hey Chuck, good tip on the upside down contact glue storage. Better yet, if you coat the threads of the cap or can with a little petroleum jelly, the cement won’t stick and the cap never gets stuck! I put a little on the top of the can too so I can easily wipe off any glue that got on the can while I was using it.
Nice! I'll have to try that!
whoa! the best tip yet. upside down in a baggie. Chuck, you are great thanks
These videos are a great source of information! I do have one more question about contact cement: When I have joined a few layers of leather with contact cement, I wait a while and then chisel holes for stitching. But how long to wait? I worry that extracting the chisel from several layers will pull the edges apart a little. So I’m thinking that there are two ways to go: 1-to chisel not long after glueup and then hammer the edges down again afterwards, or 2-let the cement cure fully and not chisel the holes for a day or two.
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I use my Starfrit Mightigrip to loosen my glue can lids.
Great video, Chuck!
Hey dear I’m a leather artisan and I’ve found that the best glue for leather is vinilica for any purpose and wood. The final look is clean and incredibly strong. I don’t like these glues you’ve shown cause I guess they’re too aggressive. What’s your opinion? Let me know
Oh, it was what I've been looking for. Thank you
I've also heard of putting a little Vaseline around the threads, but I've never tried the upside down method...
Thank you for this information. All your video tutorials are extremely helpful.
Glad to hear that! Thank you!
You saved me time, money, frustration. Thanks!
Thank you, Dean! We're so glad this video was helpful!
Sounds like good advice. How do you wipe off the glue drips off of a dress shoe?
That’s a great idea about the contact cement can! Would’ve never thought of that
Thanks for this video. I was looking for a simple accurate answer. I wanted to repair a leather pocketbook that had separated in one section at the seams..without having to pay an astronomical fee to have it sewn by a shoemaker or other professional leather handbag fixer.
Thank you, glad the video was helpful!
Very helpful… and exactly what I needed to know!
Thank you, for sharing!
Hi Chuck
Great Info.
I've been storing my Gallon paint cans upside down for 30 years, NEVER fails to open easily. Same goes for Varnish cans.
A question on a different part of your video. When would it EVER be acceptable to use just glue ( contact or otherwise) and NOT stitch the glued item! You're the only person that I ever heard say that it's OK just to use glue in certain instances.
I'm no Pro Leather worker, but I can't think of any place that just glue alone would be an adequate adhesion. Thanks.
Stoney
I use the "glue only" method for several jobs:
The most common is for tool holders in the shop, but it's also indispensable for inlaying Leather into stuff such as Coasters, etc, because you can't really see through wood, and Tacks, unless you incorporate them into the design, look, well, "tacky".
I have used contact cement only for applying new shoe soles to shoes. You have to ensure adequate prep and application and a long compression / cure time but it works fantastic when used correctly.
You will be surprised....
I love you videos.
Great tip on the upside down can. Keep those tips coming.
I guess I'm still confused on exactly when you would want to use white/wood glue and why. I've used Barge for a couple of years now when I sew a seem on a holster/sheath/etc.. I mean, even if it's being sewed you still want it to be permanent don't you? or is my amateur brain missing something? I just found this channel by the way and I've been loving all your content. thanks.
Hello,
You can certainly use a contact cement when sewing but you really just need the glue to bond your pieces together to then stitch it. Your sewing and stitching will then become your permanent bond. If you are not sewing then you definitely want to use the contact cement. Hope this helps and thank you for watching!
I would think to use the contact cement on edges that you want really tight and clean finishes, or are you getting the same results of seamless bonding with the white glue?
Great video! Great channel! Thanks! ❤
Brilliant thanks for your wonderful videos. Stay healthy and safe
Another great video Chuck.
I love that if I have a question, every time I look it up, 9 times out of 10 you’ve got a clear concise answer. Thank you!
Problem is, my leather cement is not tacky or sticking at all? Not sure what yo do now. White glue ok to use?
Hi there,
Thank you, so glad the videos have been helpful! Yes, you should be fine using white glue - the Fiebing's leathercrafters Cement is very strong!
@@WeaverLeatherSupply Thank you for your reply!
Of course Google takes me back to Weaver. I should have just come straight to CZcams in the first place.
Great tips!
What about adding cloth patches to leather?? What iz the best permanent glue for that thx
Great suggestions.
You are right on the money, sir!
I see when credit card slots are made of fabric. the fabric part behind the pocket is just glued with the leather. Does anybody know, which is the strongest glue for that work?
A lot of folks use the 3M spray glue
Great video answered my question that I knew was coming up.
Thanks.
Thank you for all the wonderful videos! Does it matter if the leather is dyed or not? Can you still glue the leather? Have a good one.
Hi Ross!
Yes, you can still glue after the leather is dyed.
I do not believe that you can use a paint roller for contact adhesive as it would dry on the roller. However a roller makes sense with a white PVA glue.
Good instructions, thanks
You're a legend. Thanks for sharing. Subscribed!!
What would you use bonding leather to wood permanent? Also the section may get a little movement as it's connected to a armrest
Im replacing my leather top couch seat cushions with textured vinyl; I took off the wrecked leather cushion top but left a 2 in leather strip margin on 3 sides. gonna fold the new vinyl edge over a half inch and glue the bottom side of the fold to the leather or fabric under it. then the new fabric is folded back to form the top of the seat cushion. what glue can i use to do this? wants something with very quick strong bond that doesnt smell too much as of course its an indoor couch.
I think I love Chuck.
Any tips on what glue to use on when making stacked leather knife handles and how to waterproof it?
We would recommend Barge cement for this. As far as waterproofing, you could use something like Resolene or an acrylic top coat. Or something like beeswax works great. With heavy use, you'll need to reapply every now and then to keep the barrier in place.
@@WeaverLeatherSupply thanks for the advice.
Great info on glues. Can you talk to us about needles next please?
Great suggestion on the needles! Are you more interested in information on hand sewing or machine sewing needles?
Weaver Leather Craft Supply I do hand sewing. Don’t have a machine.
iraisrose well,that is an important question.I was about to ask it.
A stitching video is in the works. Stay tuned!
Weaver Leathercraft Man your connection to your audience is amazing! Great videos and responses!
What kind of glue to make a knife strop?
Hi, thanks for all the great videos! Just to clarify, the only benefit of using white glue then would be the ease of application (i.e. only one sided application, and no drying time)?
Hi Zachary,
That is correct, and only use white glue if you are adhering two pieces together to sew or lace over top of it. It does not give a permanent bond like contact cement. Thanks!
Great Tips
Thank you, glad it was helpful!
If i want to glue/cement the suede side of two pieces of leather together, should i rough both pieces first? And should i use something to press the pieces of together after applying the glue/cement?
Hi Peter,
If it's the suede side then you shouldn't have to rough it up, it should stick together just fine! You can use a metal roller or even a rolling pin to press the two pieces together.
@@WeaverLeatherSupply is there a glue,that you would recommend, that is strong enough to handle the force of the leather apart by hand/weight??
Hey! I was wondering if I also can use contact cement for bringing leather on hickory wood? Does it work? Or anyother ideas? Thanks, for the hopefully coming answer. Greets, Stefanie 😉
Hi Stefanie,
Yes, contact cement will work well to adhere leather to wood, metal, and most other surfaces.
Thanks!
@@WeaverLeatherSupply thanks a lot ! 😉😊
Another good one!!
All that info is great, but what about the shelf time? I’ve used contact cement that I’ve had for a week to two weeks, only to have the liner just peel right off. Is the problem mine or the supplier?
Hi Robert,
As long as the glue can is sealed properly it will stay good for quite awhile. I can't speak for your supplier however, we have not had any issues with the Barge Cement or the S-18 not holding. Hope this helps!
I cut a slot in leather and I cut too far . How can I fix it?
Is it necessary to wear a respirator when working with contact cement?
Thank you!!!!!
I am looking for an easier way to use Barge. Can Barge contact cement be kept in a squeeze bottle (like those used for ketchup or mustard) and be easier to use? If not, would it last If some were put in a small, flat plastic container with a twist off top (like the plastic ones used for regular shoe polish)? By the way, your videos are really helpful.
I have heard of people using squeeze bottles for their glue, yes. Definitely worth a shot. The only thing to watch is to make sure the bottle closes tightly so the glue doesn’t get a chance to harden in the bottle.
thanks, I'll give it a try
I tried a hard plastic container and the barge seemed to have "melted" or deformed the bottom section. It did not leak but did get soft and lose its shape. I am not sure what would happen to a soft plastic squeeze bottle but I will be sure to put it in something safe.
Are these glues dry-cleanable? Because I want to find a glue that can be applied into a scale-lifted python leather jacket.
That was really helpful, thank you.
Thank you, Ruth!
Thanks Chuck! G
I have a fairly deep crack going across the width of a leather belt, can i use contact cement to repair the crack permanently ?
You'll probably need to stitch a leather backing on where the crack has formed. Barge is a permanent cement but if the leather is cracked badly, the strength is no longer there and it will likely keep cracking without proper re-enforcement
@@WeaverLeatherSupply Thank you
So... Why would you put the glue can upside down? Now the glue is touching the lid.. Wouldn't that be worse?
Could you please help me. I have looked everywhere to find out what Betume Da Judeia ACRILEX is. I paint bottles and saw it several times on craft videos (Painted bottles) but the videos are made by people that don't speak english so they can not tell me exactly what this stuff is but they have it as a supply for the craft. I know they dilute it with mineral water and it makes a beautiful dark brown aged look. I can not find anything that is in comparrison to this stuff.. Or what it actually IS or even where to buy it... Can you help
Hello,
Unfortunately, I do not have any experience with this product. Just doing some google searches I did find it available to purchase, you would just need to make sure they ship to your location.
It does look somewhat similar to Fiebing's Antique Finish but that is usually used to fill in tooled and stamped areas on leather. You could try it, just wipe it with a cotton rag instead of with solvent to get the grained texture. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you!
Exactly what I needed
Dog tore up leather couch lol 😂 time to fix it I have evo stick contact adhesive I think that's the right thing
I have heard that Masters is a good all purpose cement for leather. What is the difference between Barge and S-18? Thank You for your time.
Hi Terry,
They are both contact cements, just from two different companies. I like them both and have never had any trouble with either one, but some people will only use Barge - it's going to be your top quality contact cement and give you a permanent bond.
Very helpful, thanks!
Making a strop for my son. What about leather to hardwood?
Thanks,
Bill
Contact cement will work for leather to hard wood as well
l would like to see a video on how to make a vest with fringe.
Hi Jimmie,
We will pass along your suggestion! Thank you for watching!
You are goooood.thanks
Sweet!
can you sow or lace after using contact cement
Hi Micah,
Yes, you can glue your leather pieces together and then punch your stitch or lace holes.
Hi, can you do a video showing how each glue can be used? It will be much easier to understand for absolute beginners.
That is a good idea for the Leather Element list.
Thank you!
@@WeaverLeatherSupply yes please. Would love to see a video about this! :)
Is white glue permanent or temporary?
Is there a step by step to a leather project, pattern, tracing on leather cut so-forth and?
Hi William,
The video below shows the process of making the pattern, tracing it onto the leather and cutting it. Is that what you were looking for?
czcams.com/video/31CqelRgm7M/video.html
I want to glue some cotton as lining to leather and some paper board to leather ... will white glue (PVA) be sufficient for that?
Martyn, in the case of the cotton, is this a fabric or something like a ticking? The white glue should work nicely. Leather is a great medium for just about any adhesive. As long as the project isn’t in the weather (where the white glue will re-constitute) you should be fine with the cotton and the paper board! If the cotton is a little too thin and you worry about some seepage, you may want to go with a contact cement. Not totally sure here, but that’s one of my go-tos for gluing. No water issues and it will be there forever.
Nice video - thanks
great info
Excelente
How can you get a permanent bond, but with some allowance to move/stretch the two surfaces? (I am thinking specifically leather to cork).
Hi Paul,
The Leather Master Smart Glue is the best glue for this purpose. It will adhere almost, if not every bit as well as Barge but is designed to remain highly flexible. www.weaverleathersupply.com/catalog/item-detail/43413/001/120
I meant allowance to move + stretch during gluing process, sorry. What happens if you use contact cement without waiting for the surfaces to dry? Obviously you would have to wait much longer for drying, but would you get a good bond?
Thank you for clarifying. We would still recommend the Smart Glue, exactly what you’re trying to do is the main purpose of this glue being flexible. You might try it with the contact cement and it may get a good bond but I don’t think it’ll be as good as if you let the surfaces dry then adhering. Worth an experiment though!
Thanks for the videos, Chuck. Is it possible to get a fade between two colors of dye without using an airbrush?
John, thanks for asking! A fade is tough to do without some type of air brush or spray, but I have seen someone do something close and it looked pretty good. You can buy a “fan” type paint brush from Michael's and feather one color across the other. It looked like a perfect fade right up until you got really close. Even though it wasn’t a true fade, it looked good, and the brush strokes looked like part of the design. I hope this helps!
Thanks so much for the reply. I have an airbrush and have tried the fade with varying levels of success, thinking there must be a better way. I haven't found a video on CZcams that covers dying leather with a sunburst look, but do you know of one? Thanks again for the great videos. I have switched over to the pro dyes at your recommendation and the results are just as you said, great!
“Varying levels of success” is right! I'm in the same boat. I’m not an air brush artist, so when I get a little more comfortable with it we’ll get a good video out there. I haven’t really looked for a video on a sunburst, but if you find something, let me know!
What is the best way to work with leather and metal, like brass filigree, glue or sew on?
Zong Lee, that is a good question. Leather is a perfect medium for glue, but I can’t make a good call on the metal... I can’t honestly say I have found a good adhesive for the metal side, so I may suggest sewing as opposed to glue just for long-term durability. I hope this helps. Let us know how your project comes out!
thankyou great video.
can I use contact cement over the white clue?
Hi Jesse,
Yes, you can use contact cement for most applications.
What do I use to glue leather to wood? Thank you.
www.weaverleathersupply.com/catalog/item-detail/8179/001/229
Leather is great for glue because it is very porous.The wood, on the other hand, is not my specialty, but the top of the line is Barge Contact Cement, and I bet it would work nicely. This is what all the shoe and boot people use, and I swear by it!
Will the contact cement work with a patch and leather? The patch does not have adhesive.
Hi Thomas,
Yes, it will work. Just be sure to apply cement to both the patch and the leather as directed and it should adhere perfectly.
Cool thank you
Pfft, why aren’t you in the UK, there’s so much I want from your store but customs would kill me with the cost
Hello, you guys helped me out in the past so i decided to ask you another question regarding an issue i have been having with my leather, the issue i have is when i put the edge of my knife sheath on the belt sander to even out the edges for beveling, the belt sander rips out bits of leather on the edge where it should be nice and smooth for the beveling. My sander never used to do this, only two things have changed since i used the sander last, i changed one brand of contact cement to 'Synteline contact cement' and also the belt on the belt sander is now more used then before, could one of those be a contributing factor to the edge ripping while im sanding it? Any help is greatly appreciated because this is leaving my edges looking very ugly....
That is a tough question! The only thing I can think of is the glue is not entirely flexible and, therefore, the sander is taking out pieces of glue and the glue, in turn, takes some leather with it. That must be incredibly frustrating! This is just a guess because I really can’t tell you. The sanding belt, once worn down a bit, should give you a really nice edge, and, if there was a burr on the belt it would be long gone. I would go back to the glue you’ve used in the past and, with a test piece, try some sanding and see if that part of the process is the issue. This isn’t much of an answer, but, I hope it helps in some way.
Thank you so much for answering.
This guy talk about the same issue. He changes to water based white glue.
czcams.com/video/6aUTHPf2aYY/video.html
how long does it take before the Cement glue (barge) smell goes away or doe its?
Hi Jay,
It doesn't last very long - I would say a day or 2.
Is there a way to get the cement to last longer for us weekend hobbists? Also, I see that Barge has a cement thinner... Will that work on the s-18 too?
Hi there,
Yes, the barge thinner will work for the s-18 as well! Thinning it out should help it last for a long time - just add some thinner each time the glue starts thickening up from sitting for a while. Hope that helps!
Can you use elmer’s glue?
Hi Karryn,
You should be able to use it if you don't need a permanent bond but I haven't actually tried it so I would recommend testing it out first on some scrap.
can we use synthetic resin adhesive on leather?
I haven’t used a synthetic resin, but, leather is an incredible medium for glue because of the porous nature. The only thing I would watch is the flexibility of the resin once dry. That would be the deciding factor for me. Try it and let us know how it goes! I would be anxious to hear!
Weaver Leather Craft Supply sure . :)
Great “hacks”…..guess that’s the word they use today?!😊
Can we restore cracked leather? How?
Hi Ezermaine,
Unfortunately, because leather is made of fibers, once the fibers are broken and cracked they can't really be mended. If they are small cracks or scratches you can clean and condition the leather so that the fibers out around the crack remain healthy and thus the leather won't continue to crack but it won't eliminate the existing crack.
If the cracks are large, there isn't a whole lot you can do to mend them. Hope this helps!
What if my contact cement is white glue?!
If you need a good rougher and you are a cheap ass like I am. Use a long screw. You may have to hold it with a bit of cloth or tissue. But you can take your time with it and scrape the hell out of even thin leather and it will not rip through.
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Plastic bag? Hell No!! just put a thin smear of petroleum Jelly on the tin threads before you screw the top on, it keeps the tin air tight and removing the top is a dream no need for force.
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